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(Stabley Times)   Papa John's PR flacks are trying to get CEO John Schnatter's anti-Obamacare comments removed from the internet. Let me know how that works out   (stableytimes.com) divider line 74
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2013-01-27 05:36:17 PM
8 votes:
It's pizza, for fark's sake. If you don't have a decent, locally-owned place near your house then can you bring me back a penguin from Ice Station Zebra?
2013-01-27 05:35:02 PM
8 votes:
shiatty pizza from a shiatty person.
2013-01-27 06:00:21 PM
7 votes:

TheDirtyNacho: I own a business and it baffles me when other business owners don't realize what's good for the employees is good for the company. What's good for society tends to be good too, unless you're selling poison...


I ask myself this: do I want to eat at a restaurant that publicly proclaims that they don't want to make even a token effort to keep its workers healthy?
2013-01-27 05:43:06 PM
7 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-01-27 05:49:36 PM
5 votes:
Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?
2013-01-27 05:45:09 PM
5 votes:
I guess the real question is:
Should he charge $0.15 more per pizza sold for his workers to have health care, or pay his workers $7.50 an hour more than minimum wage that would allow them to pay for it themselves?
It seems that it would be obvious, which would be cheaper, better & less problematic for him in the short and long term. Also if he were to do a pool rate with a nationwide insurer, he could probably drive the actual insurance cost per pizza down to around $0.08. As all large employers will eventually be required to do the same, by getting on it first, he could have an advantage compared to his other competitors by reducing turnover, and getting some more family oriented people cooking rather than the high turnover Highschoolers or college part-timers that waste training time and dollars throughout the organization.
2013-01-27 08:12:51 PM
4 votes:

Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?


It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.
2013-01-27 05:41:06 PM
4 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's pizza, for fark's sake. If you don't have a decent, locally-owned place near your house then can you bring me back a penguin from Ice Station Zebra?


Ice Station Zebra was set in the arctic.
Penguins, not.
2013-01-27 05:39:36 PM
4 votes:
Never understood why corporate execs are stupid enough to make their companies the target of public flogging by making comments on hotbed political topics. Same thing with Chic-fil-A earlier this year.

Keep your mouth shut and lobby behind the scenes, but dragging your company into highly contentious political topics with public statements is the sign of an idiot.
2013-01-27 08:34:29 PM
3 votes:

Silly Jesus: udhq: Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.

People are paid for the value that they provide. I see places like WalMart and Papa Johns as subsidizing welfare, not the other way around. Those jobs are the last rung before complete government dependence. At least they are picking up some of the tab of those that have no skills valuable enough to provide them with basic sustenance.

The moochers and parasites need to better themselves by obtaining more skills / education and/or get a second/third job. I shouldn't have to pay for their laziness/incompetence/poor decisions/gene pool reject status.


Well, I'd see if you could get a refund for your post-doctorate degree in economics, because you literally could not be any more wrong about the numbers on this, especially if you consider the living wage jobs--the mom and pop shops--that these places displace when they invade a community.

I spent seven years in retail at the corporate level, and I can tell you, the entry level floor jobs do not exist out of charity. Same store sales plummet exponentially if store is even slightly shorthanded for the day.

No one who works for a living--no matter the level or wage--can or should ever be called a "taker", but a corporation who relies on government benefits to artificially depress costs in the labor market is nothing but a drain on the community on which it suckles. Any town would be better off without a place like this, and no, not every chain store does this.
2013-01-27 07:57:49 PM
3 votes:
jake_lex * * Smartest * * Funniest * [ ] Smartest [ ] Funniest 2013-01-27 05:34:31 PM OtherLittleGuy: Papa Johns shilling with the NFL on all those free pizzas based on a coinflip -- someone wants to divide by zero really badly. Then again, he could get Goddell to fine people for supporting ObamaCare. You gotta think that this promotion will cost much more than the increase in employee health care due to "ObamaCare" will be.
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Not to mention, during the whole season they gave away 2 million free pizzas.

Somehow I'm going to guess that cost them far more than Obamacare.
2013-01-27 07:18:41 PM
3 votes:

Silly Jesus: I'm sure he doesn't have an army of people advising him. Clearly, random Farkers have better business sense.


Cuz having an army of highly paid advisers makes you successful in everything you do.

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2013-01-27 06:03:55 PM
3 votes:
I will gladly pay 11 cents more for a pizza if it helps people have access to health care. But I'm not a selfish greedy conservative.

/sorry for the repetition
2013-01-27 05:59:33 PM
3 votes:
Will never buy a pizza from a bobble head dooshbag millionaire. Thank God i live in beautiful New Jersey, where we are heavily blessed with fine hard working Italian people who make delicious food in restaurants and pizzerias.
2013-01-27 05:49:59 PM
3 votes:

Acravius: I guess the real question is:
Should he charge $0.15 more per pizza sold for his workers to have health care, or pay his workers $7.50 an hour more than minimum wage that would allow them to pay for it themselves?
It seems that it would be obvious, which would be cheaper, better & less problematic for him in the short and long term. Also if he were to do a pool rate with a nationwide insurer, he could probably drive the actual insurance cost per pizza down to around $0.08. As all large employers will eventually be required to do the same, by getting on it first, he could have an advantage compared to his other competitors by reducing turnover, and getting some more family oriented people cooking rather than the high turnover Highschoolers or college part-timers that waste training time and dollars throughout the organization.



This would require foresight, good-heartedness and intelligence. All of which most "Obamacare" foes have little of.

I own a business and it baffles me when other business owners don't realize what's good for the employees is good for the company. What's good for society tends to be good too, unless you're selling poison...
2013-01-27 05:48:47 PM
3 votes:
Any other families of four have 2 members choosing heads and 2 members choosing tails to guarantee 2 free pizzas? Just putting it out there in case people didn't know that 4 people in a home can all apply if you have different emails. If you don't like him, get pizza on his dime. If you like him, get free pizzas anyhow.
2013-01-27 05:38:17 PM
3 votes:
From the Slow Learner's Dept:

Trying to wash away the story just makes it worse, because

(a)Google effect - journos write more stories about it, and either link or refer to the original, thus lifting the page rank of the original story

(b)Human effect - you remind people of a story they would otherwise have forgotten
2013-01-27 05:34:31 PM
3 votes:

OtherLittleGuy: Papa Johns shilling with the NFL on all those free pizzas based on a coinflip -- someone wants to divide by zero really badly.

Then again, he could get Goddell to fine people for supporting ObamaCare.


You gotta think that this promotion will cost much more than the increase in employee health care due to "ObamaCare" will be.
2013-01-27 05:33:50 PM
3 votes:
Hmm. Buy Papa John's because the CEO opposes Obamacare, or don't buy from there because they're trying to backpedal.
2013-01-28 12:37:35 AM
2 votes:
Here's the bottom line. The majority of Republicans claim to be into Jesus.

Jesus was the worst/best kind of Socialist. He shared everything. He owned nothing. He told people to take care of the poor and the sick over and over and over. He denounced wealth a gazillion times. Then he went back to telling people to take care of the poor, the sick, the elderly, and the defenseless.

As far as I can tell, the GOP is not into one single thing Jesus ever said. They aren't the meek. They won't inherit the earth. They are happy to point the finger, but they are not without sin. They hate poor people, they love money and it would just about kill them to go back and meet Jesus in the Way Back Machine and hear what he actually said about rich, powerful types.

Please enlighten me. Why pretend to care when there is such a huge gap between what Jesus said and how they act? They've just about given Jesus the finger. If he were alive he'd have to sue them for wrongful use of his name.

Make the break. To thy own self be true. If you don't give a shiat about the poor, you can't use Jesus for a mascot. It just doesn't work.
2013-01-27 11:05:27 PM
2 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: stiletto_the_wise: If the actual owner or president of the Chinese restaurant personally went on record advocating anti-gay policies, publicly donated money to anti-gay causes, and formed organizations to fight gay rights groups, well, yea, I'd refuse to eat at that idiot's restaurant. Will I boycott a burger joint because the owner happens to be Christian but keeps his yap shut? Of course not.

So even though there's a 95% plus chance that the Buddhist or Muslim owner of a restaurant opposes gay marriage, you're going to give them your business anyway because you haven't actually heard them voicing their opinion in person? All you're doing then with your patronage is helping the restauranteur both support his family (who will grow up absorbing and disseminating his traditionalist views) and hire more immigrant workers to help in his kitchen from the same countries which share the traditionalist, anti- gay- marriage outlook. In other words, you're directly subsidizing anti- gay sentiment and claiming ignorance as an excuse... shame on you!


Wait, not 10 minutes ago you were calling people who patronized businesses based on values "nasty twats".

Oh, I get it, you're not one of those people who actually believes in things, you just like to listen to yourself complain in public.

Got it.
2013-01-27 09:38:48 PM
2 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: So even though there's a 95% plus chance that the Buddhist or Muslim owner of a restaurant opposes gay marriage, you're going to give them your business anyway because you haven't actually heard them voicing their opinion in person? All you're doing then with your patronage is helping the restauranteur both support his family (who will grow up absorbing and disseminating his traditionalist views) and hire more immigrant workers to help in his kitchen from the same countries which share the traditionalist, anti- gay- marriage outlook. In other words, you're directly subsidizing anti- gay sentiment and claiming ignorance as an excuse... shame on you!


I don't assume people are idiots until they open their mouths and demonstrate it.
2013-01-27 09:00:59 PM
2 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: udhq: I agree, people whose purchasing decisions reflect their values are nasty twats.

As I said, if your "values" include assuming that anyone who disagrees with your opinions suffers from some kind of political cooties and that this means his products (regardless of their actual quality) can't be touched without fear of contagion, then I'm afraid you are indeed a twat.


The "regardless of actual quality" bit could end this discussion right out. But for the sake of discussion, let's assume that any of the right-wing pizza places (PJ's, Dominoes, Godfathers) sold anything other than a circle of hot salty garbage.

In my work life, I do business with lots of people I disagree with politically, and even with lots of people I consider to be terrible people (not necessarily the same, but it's venn diagram with significant overlap).

The difference is that I will only "do business" with these people if I can do it in a way that does not support any farked up, 19th century beliefs. I'll buy a good product from a guy who cheats on his wife, but not products that are made with slave labor. You see the difference? And in this case, there's no way for me to buy from PJ's without supporting Schnattter's notion that a more profitable restaurant is just better, even if it means the serfs who work there can afford their syphilis meds.
2013-01-27 08:48:07 PM
2 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: It's worth noting that, regardless of what you or I might happen to believe, the vast majority of the world's religions (and consequently, the vast majority of the world's people) disapprove of homosexual behaviour, let alone homosexual marriage; so do you refuse to eat in Chinese restaurants because of the traditionalist viewpoints of the Dalai Lama, or in Persian restaurants because of the anti- gay sentiments of mainstream Islam? Or do you reserve your disapproval for Christian businesses alone?


If the actual owner or president of the Chinese restaurant personally went on record advocating anti-gay policies, publicly donated money to anti-gay causes, and formed organizations to fight gay rights groups, well, yea, I'd refuse to eat at that idiot's restaurant.

Will I boycott a burger joint because the owner happens to be Christian but keeps his yap shut? Of course not.
2013-01-27 08:33:29 PM
2 votes:

Silly Jesus: TheDirtyNacho: udhq: Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.


Or when a company schedules workers just under the 'full time' designation so as to avoid paying those benefits.

People love to hate on unions, but unions built the middle class in the 20th century, the supposed 'good old days'. On that note...unionizing Walmart would probably be one of the greatest achievements in early 21st century American labor.

Unions served their purpose. Now they just allow teachers to collect huge salaries while sitting in an empty school. They bankrupt municipalities. They allow shiat workers to stick around. All first hand experience that I've had with union workers has been pretty sad. They have no incentive to work hard because they know that their sorry asses are protected. Pieces of shiat from what I've seen.



The pendulum swings from one way to the other... unions broke the back of corrupt, lazy and obscenely wealthy baron estates without a guillotine ala the french revolution. Then a few decades later the unions entered a mirror arrangement (although "obscenely wealthy" is not how I would describe them) and then were weakened themselves by legislation. When the people actually start voting against labor at the polls, something is amiss.

But who knows whats next? 21st century unions won't be the same as 20th century, but some kind of worker collectives, or at least labor rights, are inevitable as long as executives like Papa John exist.
2013-01-27 08:26:49 PM
2 votes:

Silly Jesus: Unions served their purpose. Now they just allow teachers to collect huge salaries while sitting in an empty school. They bankrupt municipalities. They allow shiat workers to stick around. All first hand experience that I've had with union workers has been pretty sad. They have no incentive to work hard because they know that their sorry asses are protected. Pieces of shiat from what I've seen.


So, basically like CEOs with million dollar golden parachutes, then....
2013-01-27 08:25:52 PM
2 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc. In other words, it's a reproach to those people who believe that there is no legitimate viewpoint other than their own, such as those nasty conformist twats who place their pizza orders based solely on the political opinions of the pizza chain's CEO.


It's called "voting with your wallet" and in theory, if enough people do it, you start seeing companies (for example) recognizing same-sex partnerships for benefits eligibility.
2013-01-27 08:21:54 PM
2 votes:

udhq: Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.



Or when a company schedules workers just under the 'full time' designation so as to avoid paying those benefits.

People love to hate on unions, but unions built the middle class in the 20th century, the supposed 'good old days'. On that note...unionizing Walmart would probably be one of the greatest achievements in early 21st century American labor.
2013-01-27 08:17:40 PM
2 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc


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2013-01-27 07:14:11 PM
2 votes:

Dinjiin: Acravius: Should he charge $0.15 more per pizza sold for his workers to have health care, or pay his workers $7.50 an hour more than minimum wage that would allow them to pay for it themselves?

The problem is, according to John Schnatter's response on HuffPost, they're not his workers. They are the workers of the franchisee.

Schnatter supposedly was asked franchisee owners would raise their prices or cut worker hours in response to the ACA. He said that it was a no brainer, of course they would. But the media took it as an attack against the ACA and ran with it.

So now Schnatter is in a media shiatstorm. He clarified his position, but it hasn't been widely reported. So he can try to hire some PR firm to erase the Internet (haha, not likely) or he can bite the bullet and require all franchisee owners to offer benefits under the ACA, regardless if they're full or part time (sidesteps the issue of mandating that a minimum % of the crew be full time), when they renew their franchisee contract.

I think the PR firm is going to fail. Total Streisand Effect. Suck it up, bite the bullet and make Papa John's 100% covered under the ACA. That way, I can get back to eating some PJ's when I am too lazy to drive over to Papa Murphy's.


So when Schnatter did a fund raiser for Romney at his gigantic house, he wasn't really opposed to the ACA? Romney said that on Day 1 of his presidency that he would do a bunch of things including getting rid of "Obamacare". He's still the boss of the company and can set compliance standards for his franchisees, as you stated. The real problem is that on a shareholder conference call he said - that it would cost 11-14 cents per pizza, and if you spread it to the other menu items, the cost is probably closer to 5 cents per product, especially because of the profit margin on soda alone.

Anyways, there is so many ways that this cost shouldn't impact profitablility in his business, and his frachise's should be told how they can offset the costs or to increase their prices across the board by a nickel, and keep their workers working and increasing his companies profitability. Of course they could also leave off, 10 grams of cheese, 10 grams of sauce, and 10 grams of each topping, and save the nickel in costs per pizza that way, and the people who eat at those restaurants wouldn't be the wiser anyway.
2013-01-27 06:56:30 PM
2 votes:

Silly Jesus: I love how everyone on Fark, successful millionaire businessmen that they are, are offering business advice to Schattner.


On occasion, successful people become disconnected from reality and are unable to see the potential consequences of their actions.
2013-01-27 06:51:49 PM
2 votes:

gaslight: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x737]


If that top data point is when legal action was threatened, that chart appears to demonstrate that the photos received increasing attention before the legal threat and decreasing attention after it.
2013-01-27 06:12:47 PM
2 votes:
That reminds me- I was going to send him a check for $1.28 for the extra cost if the pizzas we ordered over the years along with a note that he could cash it next time he steps out of his enormous mansion

Hint to conservative CEOs- if you need to raise your prices by some trivial amount to give your employees (who touch our food) health care make a big deal out if the price rise. Except make the big deal about how we're going to pay the extra sixteen cents since health care for food workers is kind of important- nobody will give a damn about a few pennies
2013-01-27 05:55:37 PM
2 votes:

jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?


People looking to mass market product while cutting corners to increase profitability to show growth so they look good to investors often create low quaility products. Conservatives are the people most likely (not exclusively) to choose this option in business and thus we have the largest chains of low quality food/service often owned by people who are of the conservative mindset. Then they spend their money on their conservative causes saying that their conservatism is what made them great.
2013-01-27 05:43:52 PM
2 votes:
"This week a public relations firm representing Papa John's and Schnatter asked us to unpublish the story."

Wouldn't it be easier to just unsay the remarks?
2013-01-27 05:43:13 PM
2 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's pizza, for fark's sake. If you don't have a decent, locally-owned place near your house then can you bring me back a penguin from Ice Station Zebra?


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/locally owned pizza joints are delicious
//mmmm... mother bears pizza...
///But I do like me some Pizza Hut stuffed crust...
2013-01-27 05:36:05 PM
2 votes:
1) biatch about obamacare
2) Fire employees after losing money from boycotts
3) Blame Obamacare for firing frenzy
2013-01-27 05:34:26 PM
2 votes:
He should post some pics of his junk.
Two days later everyone will have totally forgotten about the remark business....
2013-01-28 07:39:27 PM
1 votes:
So when you run a business that provides food, it's not a good idea to make public that the people handling said food have no health insurance. Who knew?
2013-01-28 02:57:41 PM
1 votes:

LtDarkstar: I actually agree with Papa John's on this


You agree with a proven lie? That's an odd thing to admit on the internet.
2013-01-28 04:02:50 AM
1 votes:
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2013-01-27 11:01:36 PM
1 votes:

Silly Jesus: I see places like WalMart and Papa Johns as subsidizing welfare, not the other way around.


Which makes sense because most of their workers still have to depend on welfare even though they have a job.
2013-01-27 10:59:42 PM
1 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: stiletto_the_wise: Maybe you could learn to not be such an intolerant idiot and to accept that there exist political viewpoints other than your own?

Thank you for that life lesson, EvilRacistNaziFascist.

My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc. In other words, it's a reproach to those people who believe that there is no legitimate viewpoint other than their own, such as those nasty conformist twats who place their pizza orders based solely on the political opinions of the pizza chain's CEO.


So you're username is basically you acting like a whiny hipster and you're shocked when people called you a whiner?

I have no idea why that would be.
2013-01-27 10:14:03 PM
1 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: It's worth noting that, regardless of what you or I might happen to believe, the vast majority of the world's religions (and consequently, the vast majority of the world's people) disapprove of homosexual behaviour, let alone homosexual marriage; so do you refuse to eat in Chinese restaurants because of the traditionalist viewpoints of the Dalai Lama, or in Persian restaurants because of the anti- gay sentiments of mainstream Islam? Or do you reserve your disapproval for Christian businesses alone?


That's a rather dumb strawman argument, but just to play along:

Inasmuch as I would boycott any restaurant because the owner was homophobic, I would (A) not just ASSUME that they were homophobic but only boycott those that went ON RECORD as such, and (B) worry a lot less about what the owner SAYS and a lot more about organizations the owner GAVE MONEY TO,

The Chik-Fil-A brouhaha, for example, was about donating profits to anti-gay groups, not about anything Cathy said.  Though some apologists enthusiastically try to misrepresent that little fact.
2013-01-27 09:56:53 PM
1 votes:

Silly Jesus: So as long as you are blissfully ignorant of their beliefs, you're cool with siphoning money through them to causes with which you vehemently disagree. At least you're principled.


Who has time to do an hour-long interview of the owner of every business they visit? As long as they're not on CNN telling us all "Thanks for buying my Pizza, I'm using the money to stamp out gays", I'm not going to be bothered.
2013-01-27 09:47:39 PM
1 votes:
Papa John's PR flacks are trying to get paid by telling CEO John Schnatter's anti-Obamacare it is possible to get comments removed from the internet.

FTFY.
2013-01-27 09:42:07 PM
1 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: stiletto_the_wise: If the actual owner or president of the Chinese restaurant personally went on record advocating anti-gay policies, publicly donated money to anti-gay causes, and formed organizations to fight gay rights groups, well, yea, I'd refuse to eat at that idiot's restaurant. Will I boycott a burger joint because the owner happens to be Christian but keeps his yap shut? Of course not.

So even though there's a 95% plus chance that the Buddhist or Muslim owner of a restaurant opposes gay marriage, you're going to give them your business anyway because you haven't actually heard them voicing their opinion in person? All you're doing then with your patronage is helping the restauranteur both support his family (who will grow up absorbing and disseminating his traditionalist views) and hire more immigrant workers to help in his kitchen from the same countries which share the traditionalist, anti- gay- marriage outlook. In other words, you're directly subsidizing anti- gay sentiment and claiming ignorance as an excuse... shame on you!


Long as they stay quiet about their views and don't give the customers' money to groups that actively try to prevent homosexuals from being treated as humans and American citizens (hello, Chik-fil-A), I'll eat there. The minute you start mouthing off or the first time you give to hate groups, I'm gone. You can run a business perfectly fine without sticking your political or religious dick into it.
2013-01-27 09:31:57 PM
1 votes:
Came here for the "Obamacare rulez, down with the rich!", leaving satisfied

Raising the price of good because of a government mandate that isn't even a tax is always a good thing for society. Speaking out against it is worse though. ...sigh.....
2013-01-27 09:13:38 PM
1 votes:

Silly Jesus: If the person standing in the doorway of WalMart farting and waving all day wasn't working there, where would they be working? Or would they be 100% reliant on the government to support them?

Obtain more skills and attract an industry to your town that actually contributes something. If there wasn't a shiatty labor force available who has no other skills beyond having a pulse, WalMart couldn't pay what they do.


No, WalMart pays what they do because it is part of their overall cost strategy to use government assistance to defray labor costs. This is well-documented fact.

On top of that, when they invade a community, the first thing they do is run a program of about 60 days worth of extremely aggressive promotions in order to kill off as much local competition as possible. During these periods, new stores lose a staggering amount of money, but then, as a $300billion company, they can afford it.

Because of this promotions strategy, new WalMart store typically take more than 2 years to break even. This is about 3 times longer than a Target store (a Target store is also about 6 times more profitable than a WalMart store, with only 3% average higher prices on comparable items, FWIW.)
2013-01-27 09:01:46 PM
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: Here's another idea: maybe the CEOs and other higher-ups can "suffer" to slash their own paychecks and bonuses down a bit. It's funny how the ones who whine the loudest about anything and everything "cutting into their profits" are also the ones who give themselves the lion's share of said profits.


It's easiest to whine about your taxes when relaxing on your own island or flying there in your private jet.
2013-01-27 08:59:15 PM
1 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: stiletto_the_wise: Maybe you could learn to not be such an intolerant idiot and to accept that there exist political viewpoints other than your own?

Thank you for that life lesson, EvilRacistNaziFascist.

My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc. In other words, it's a reproach to those people who believe that there is no legitimate viewpoint other than their own, such as those nasty conformist twats who place their pizza orders based solely on the political opinions of the pizza chain's CEO.


If you have to explain your username all the time, you are the clueless one.
2013-01-27 08:20:43 PM
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EvilRacistNaziFascist: My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc. In other words, it's a reproach to those people who believe that there is no legitimate viewpoint other than their own, such as those nasty conformist twats who place their pizza orders based solely on the political opinions of the pizza chain's CEO.


I agree, people whose purchasing decisions reflect their values are nasty twats.
2013-01-27 08:00:59 PM
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hdhale: born_yesterday: desertfool: Can't stand Papa John's no matter what, so his politics are of little importance to me.

/Damn sauce tastes like sweetened ketchup. Nasty. Better pizza my arse.

Overly sweet sauce, clumpy bland cheese, greasy, greasy meat, dry crust.

Sauce...could be better. Meat isn't that bad and I've never had a bad crust from them. That said, personally I prefer Godfather's Pizza if we're talking chain franchise pizza. What is irritating is not the quality of the cheese, but the quantity. They seem unwilling or unable to put extra cheese on a pizza when requested. Internet ordering is gimmicky and even the local Papa John's admits that you are better off calling in and inquiring about the local specials.

"Obamacare" was bound to unwanted side effects. Inflation generally and loss of jobs.in some sectors. Whether the positives out weigh the negatives in the end we're still finding out, but so far...I'm not impressed.


It hasn't taken effect yet. But, you knew that.....
2013-01-27 07:59:02 PM
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Dinjiin: I've looked for an article outlining which of Romney's policies Schnatter supports, but I can't find any. He could just be another Scrooge McDuck out to ensure that taxes are as lower possible so that his swimming pool of gold coins remains as high as possible. He might be anti-abortion. He might be completely two-faced regarding his views of the ACA. There is so much FUD out there, it is hard to know.


Most of these ultra-rich business owners don't really have interesting political beliefs at all. They simply want the government to give them a bigger pile of money than their other business owner neighbors.

It helps to think of Congress as a gigantic money funnel. Your tax dollars go in, and Congress points the end at a bunch of already rich people who paid the most in campaign donations.
2013-01-27 07:49:26 PM
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hdhale: PPACA was bound to unwanted side effects. Inflation generally and loss of jobs.in some sectors. Whether the positives out weigh the negatives in the end we're still finding out, but so far...I'm not impressed.


Spiteful action by businesses(that think they're higher than The Almighty) is causing most of the negatives as opposed to actual financial hardship.
2013-01-27 07:46:02 PM
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IlGreven: TheDirtyNacho: Dinjiin: Silly Jesus: I love how everyone on Fark, successful millionaire businessmen that they are, are offering business advice to Schattner.

On occasion, successful people become disconnected from reality and are unable to see the potential consequences of their actions.


This can happen if you base every decision on the numbers on the spreadsheets in front of you and a gaggle of yes-men to reinforce the bubble. Mr John ought to work a week in one of his outlets without such an entourage.

Unfortunately for him, his face is so well-known that that particular ep of Undercover Boss would be about how he had to fend off his angry workers...



Waffle House makes its corporate execs work holidays, night and weekend shifts in their restaurants. Not to say that Waffle House is without its own problems and controversies, but it's a good way to make sure the "top" sees how the front line is functioning.
2013-01-27 07:43:38 PM
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stiletto_the_wise: What pizza chain do I have left to eat at with a good conscience?


I don't get pizza chains.

I go to a local pizza place for excellent pizza.

When I want OK/good enough pizza I buy frozen at the grocery store for $6 or less.

/ Obviously lots of people disagree or the chains would not exist
// I still don't get it
2013-01-27 07:39:00 PM
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mjjt: From the Slow Learner's Dept:

Trying to wash away the story just makes it worse, because

(a)Google effect - journos write more stories about it, and either link or refer to the original, thus lifting the page rank of the original story

(b)Human effect - you remind people of a story they would otherwise have forgotten


Acravius: I guess the real question is:
Should he charge $0.15 more per pizza sold for his workers to have health care, or pay his workers $7.50 an hour more than minimum wage that would allow them to pay for it themselves?
It seems that it would be obvious, which would be cheaper, better & less problematic for him in the short and long term. Also if he were to do a pool rate with a nationwide insurer, he could probably drive the actual insurance cost per pizza down to around $0.08. As all large employers will eventually be required to do the same, by getting on it first, he could have an advantage compared to his other competitors by reducing turnover, and getting some more family oriented people cooking rather than the high turnover Highschoolers or college part-timers that waste training time and dollars throughout the organization.



If he were smart, he'd run an ad campaign in which he apologized for raising the price of pizza by 15 cents or whatever, but then announced all the wonderful wage hikes and healthcare his employees were going to get with that extra 15 cents. I bet he could both raise the price and increase profits if he played tp the consumers' sense of fair play.
2013-01-27 07:37:38 PM
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Silly Jesus: Clearly, random Farkers have better business sense.


Not everyone on Fark is a basement dwelling dropout.  Not everyone who heads a company is guaranteed to make a correct decision regarding every choice they face.
2013-01-27 07:35:01 PM
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RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: shiatty pizza from a shiatty person.


I remember the first time I ever ate anything from Papa John's. I was on a ski trip with friends and in a town I had never been in before. When they said there were going to get pizza from Papa John's, I had no idea that it was a chain; I thought it was some local restaurant. I remember anticipating it would be good since local stuff general is. And then the disappointment when I took my first bite. I couldn't understand how a pizza joint making crap like that could stay in business when people could just get something from Domino's or Pizza Hut.

To this day it's a mystery to my why the chain has been successful. I suppose it's the same reason why Wonder Bread and Budweiser are popular in the USA. I guess most Americans like really, really bad food.
2013-01-27 07:32:55 PM
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I actually liked Dominos until I learned that the head guy was a Christian Nationalist nutter.

I then liked Papa Johns until I learned that the head guy was a militant randroid.

Pizza Hut tastes like ass.

What pizza chain do I have left to eat at with a good conscience?
2013-01-27 07:26:12 PM
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TheDirtyNacho: Dinjiin: Silly Jesus: I love how everyone on Fark, successful millionaire businessmen that they are, are offering business advice to Schattner.

On occasion, successful people become disconnected from reality and are unable to see the potential consequences of their actions.


This can happen if you base every decision on the numbers on the spreadsheets in front of you and a gaggle of yes-men to reinforce the bubble. Mr John ought to work a week in one of his outlets without such an entourage.


Unfortunately for him, his face is so well-known that that particular ep of Undercover Boss would be about how he had to fend off his angry workers...
2013-01-27 06:58:40 PM
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Silly Jesus: I love how everyone on Fark, successful millionaire businessmen that they are, are offering business advice to Schattner.

"Clearly, this make the most sense..... As you can see, my life choices have led me to my mother's basement so I obviously know how to run a huge corporation better than you do."


Yeah, and Ford became a millionaire because he was a total douche to his employees like every True American should be.
2013-01-27 06:34:56 PM
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desertfool: Can't stand Papa John's no matter what, so his politics are of little importance to me.

/Damn sauce tastes like sweetened ketchup. Nasty. Better pizza my arse.


Overly sweet sauce, clumpy bland cheese, greasy, greasy meat, dry crust.
2013-01-27 06:25:53 PM
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Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's pizza, for fark's sake. If you don't have a decent, locally-owned place near your house then can you bring me back a penguin from Ice Station Zebra?


There should be plenty of penguins left. Ice Station Zebra ate all the staff first, keeping the penguins in reserve for when they became desperate enough to eat the greasy little bastards. And, of course, the warehouse full of pot noddles remains untouched to this very day.

Woo! Shout out to Adult Swim and the cast of Sealab 2021! With a tip o' the hat to Red Dwarf.

Really, penguins are not very tasty, or they'd be extinct.

As for being exclusively Southern hemisphere, the French called two species of birds "pingouins". One of them is extinct but the other is not. It sort of ressembles the extinct Great Auk a little, or puffins, which are plentiful. These were entirely Northern hemisphere birds and are the penguins that Anatole France wrote about in his famous satire, Penguin Island.

The claymation children's cartoon, Pingu, about southern hemisphere penguins, takes its name from the bird and reflects the French pronunciation of Pingouin as three syllables. It is made for an international audience so the birds don't talk English, French or any other language but as sort of internationalized mic-mac or mish-mash that sometimes sounds comprehensible, like Kenny's muttering through his hood on South Park.
2013-01-27 06:15:14 PM
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2013-01-27 06:13:39 PM
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2013-01-27 06:13:32 PM
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Donald Trump is an accomplished schnatter. That's not a comb-over. It is a fox fur cozy for a fat head.
2013-01-27 06:10:03 PM
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taurusowner: Hmm. Buy Papa John's because the CEO opposes Obamacare, or don't buy from there because they're trying to backpedal.


Don't buy Papa John's because it's a terrible company run by a terrible man.
2013-01-27 05:57:28 PM
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Sygonus: Never understood why corporate execs are stupid enough to make their companies the target of public flogging by making comments on hotbed political topics. Same thing with Chic-fil-A earlier this year.

Keep your mouth shut and lobby behind the scenes, but dragging your company into highly contentious political topics with public statements is the sign of an idiot.


Exactly. The only political stance my business will take is not associating with organizations (or other businesses) that support political positions I don't agree with, but I'm certainly not going to drag that out in public. Besides that, sometimes you just can't avoid it (like how I'm stuck with Walmart for local emergency office supplies). No need to make a big deal out of it.

Obviously it helps that I'm still just running a one woman operation, but if I were ever to hire employees I'd make that part of the conditions of working for me.
2013-01-27 05:47:29 PM
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2013-01-27 05:46:57 PM
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www.thestreisandeffect.com
2013-01-27 05:42:14 PM
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You can't take something off the Internet. It's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
2013-01-27 05:12:20 PM
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Papa Johns shilling with the NFL on all those free pizzas based on a coinflip -- someone wants to divide by zero really badly.

Then again, he could get Goddell to fine people for supporting ObamaCare.
 
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