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(Stabley Times)   Papa John's PR flacks are trying to get CEO John Schnatter's anti-Obamacare comments removed from the internet. Let me know how that works out   (stableytimes.com) divider line 211
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2013-01-27 07:39:00 PM

mjjt: From the Slow Learner's Dept:

Trying to wash away the story just makes it worse, because

(a)Google effect - journos write more stories about it, and either link or refer to the original, thus lifting the page rank of the original story

(b)Human effect - you remind people of a story they would otherwise have forgotten


Acravius: I guess the real question is:
Should he charge $0.15 more per pizza sold for his workers to have health care, or pay his workers $7.50 an hour more than minimum wage that would allow them to pay for it themselves?
It seems that it would be obvious, which would be cheaper, better & less problematic for him in the short and long term. Also if he were to do a pool rate with a nationwide insurer, he could probably drive the actual insurance cost per pizza down to around $0.08. As all large employers will eventually be required to do the same, by getting on it first, he could have an advantage compared to his other competitors by reducing turnover, and getting some more family oriented people cooking rather than the high turnover Highschoolers or college part-timers that waste training time and dollars throughout the organization.



If he were smart, he'd run an ad campaign in which he apologized for raising the price of pizza by 15 cents or whatever, but then announced all the wonderful wage hikes and healthcare his employees were going to get with that extra 15 cents. I bet he could both raise the price and increase profits if he played tp the consumers' sense of fair play.
 
2013-01-27 07:39:07 PM
I'm not sure he understands how the internet works.

I might have to look into the "unring the bell" PR scam for people who've done something life altering and regret it.

/we can't guarantee results but we'll try... profit
 
2013-01-27 07:42:36 PM

Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

 
2013-01-27 07:43:38 PM

stiletto_the_wise: What pizza chain do I have left to eat at with a good conscience?


I don't get pizza chains.

I go to a local pizza place for excellent pizza.

When I want OK/good enough pizza I buy frozen at the grocery store for $6 or less.

/ Obviously lots of people disagree or the chains would not exist
// I still don't get it
 
2013-01-27 07:44:13 PM

stiletto_the_wise: What pizza chain do I have left to eat at with a good conscience?


Maybe you could learn to not be such an intolerant idiot and to accept that there exist political viewpoints other than your own?
 
2013-01-27 07:44:30 PM
Sorry, for the repost quote, but I was just going to respond that Schnatter didn't want to find a solution, he wanted to make a political point instead in his conference call, because he didn't want to support "Obamacare".

So he wouldn't have hired me, because he didn't care what a solution would be.Business people are looking to hold the status quo, because they want all of their forecasts to stay on track, instead of being wrong, and thus not predictable for their shareholders/profit margins etc.

But for simplicity sake, the change that a franchisee could make would be to change the price of soda fountain drinks by a quarter say from $1.00 to $0.75 while increasing the cost of prepackaged soda from $1.25 to $1.50, since there's more cost for the shipping of the bottled soda vs the dispensing of soda at the location, the cost of dispensing is about 11 cents, vs 85 cents for the shipped liter of soda. Thus you could quickly push people preference towards the more profitable location based soda dispensed product and make up for the nickel loss everytime you sell one dispensed soda vs packaged bottle of soda.
 
2013-01-27 07:46:02 PM

IlGreven: TheDirtyNacho: Dinjiin: Silly Jesus: I love how everyone on Fark, successful millionaire businessmen that they are, are offering business advice to Schattner.

On occasion, successful people become disconnected from reality and are unable to see the potential consequences of their actions.


This can happen if you base every decision on the numbers on the spreadsheets in front of you and a gaggle of yes-men to reinforce the bubble. Mr John ought to work a week in one of his outlets without such an entourage.

Unfortunately for him, his face is so well-known that that particular ep of Undercover Boss would be about how he had to fend off his angry workers...



Waffle House makes its corporate execs work holidays, night and weekend shifts in their restaurants. Not to say that Waffle House is without its own problems and controversies, but it's a good way to make sure the "top" sees how the front line is functioning.
 
2013-01-27 07:49:26 PM

hdhale: PPACA was bound to unwanted side effects. Inflation generally and loss of jobs.in some sectors. Whether the positives out weigh the negatives in the end we're still finding out, but so far...I'm not impressed.


Spiteful action by businesses(that think they're higher than The Almighty) is causing most of the negatives as opposed to actual financial hardship.
 
2013-01-27 07:50:16 PM

Acravius: So when Schnatter did a fund raiser for Romney at his gigantic house, he wasn't really opposed to the ACA?


I've looked for an article outlining which of Romney's policies Schnatter supports, but I can't find any.  He could just be another Scrooge McDuck out to ensure that taxes are as lower possible so that his swimming pool of gold coins remains as high as possible.  He might be anti-abortion.  He might be completely two-faced regarding his views of the ACA.  There is so much FUD out there, it is hard to know.

Doesn't matter too much to me.  Papa Murphy's is now my choice for cheap pizza.  And there are dozens of local independent places I can go if I want something more upscale.  That is kinda the great thing about the pizza food sector... there are so many choices, it takes almost no effort to find someplace else if you dislike your current place.
 
2013-01-27 07:55:28 PM

Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?


All praise the most holy JOB CREATORS! Piece be upon them!

EvilRacistNaziFascist: stiletto_the_wise: What pizza chain do I have left to eat at with a good conscience?

Maybe you could learn to not be such an intolerant idiot and to accept that there exist political viewpoints other than your own?


Thank you for that life lesson, EvilRacistNaziFascist.
 
2013-01-27 07:57:49 PM
jake_lex * * Smartest * * Funniest * [ ] Smartest [ ] Funniest 2013-01-27 05:34:31 PM OtherLittleGuy: Papa Johns shilling with the NFL on all those free pizzas based on a coinflip -- someone wants to divide by zero really badly. Then again, he could get Goddell to fine people for supporting ObamaCare. You gotta think that this promotion will cost much more than the increase in employee health care due to "ObamaCare" will be.
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Not to mention, during the whole season they gave away 2 million free pizzas.

Somehow I'm going to guess that cost them far more than Obamacare.
 
2013-01-27 07:59:02 PM

Dinjiin: I've looked for an article outlining which of Romney's policies Schnatter supports, but I can't find any. He could just be another Scrooge McDuck out to ensure that taxes are as lower possible so that his swimming pool of gold coins remains as high as possible. He might be anti-abortion. He might be completely two-faced regarding his views of the ACA. There is so much FUD out there, it is hard to know.


Most of these ultra-rich business owners don't really have interesting political beliefs at all. They simply want the government to give them a bigger pile of money than their other business owner neighbors.

It helps to think of Congress as a gigantic money funnel. Your tax dollars go in, and Congress points the end at a bunch of already rich people who paid the most in campaign donations.
 
2013-01-27 07:59:23 PM

jake3988: jake_lex * * Smartest * * Funniest * [ ] Smartest [ ] Funniest 2013-01-27 05:34:31 PM OtherLittleGuy: Papa Johns shilling with the NFL on all those free pizzas based on a coinflip -- someone wants to divide by zero really badly. Then again, he could get Goddell to fine people for supporting ObamaCare. You gotta think that this promotion will cost much more than the increase in employee health care due to "ObamaCare" will be.
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Not to mention, during the whole season they gave away 2 million free pizzas.

Somehow I'm going to guess that cost them far more than Obamacare.


Those giveaways are advertising, Nostradamus.

"Their cheese totally could have paid for healthcare. Why didn't they just redirect the money that they spent on cheese?!?!"
 
2013-01-27 08:00:59 PM

hdhale: born_yesterday: desertfool: Can't stand Papa John's no matter what, so his politics are of little importance to me.

/Damn sauce tastes like sweetened ketchup. Nasty. Better pizza my arse.

Overly sweet sauce, clumpy bland cheese, greasy, greasy meat, dry crust.

Sauce...could be better. Meat isn't that bad and I've never had a bad crust from them. That said, personally I prefer Godfather's Pizza if we're talking chain franchise pizza. What is irritating is not the quality of the cheese, but the quantity. They seem unwilling or unable to put extra cheese on a pizza when requested. Internet ordering is gimmicky and even the local Papa John's admits that you are better off calling in and inquiring about the local specials.

"Obamacare" was bound to unwanted side effects. Inflation generally and loss of jobs.in some sectors. Whether the positives out weigh the negatives in the end we're still finding out, but so far...I'm not impressed.


It hasn't taken effect yet. But, you knew that.....
 
2013-01-27 08:02:30 PM

Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?


If they weren't working for Dominoes they would be collecting welfare while working for ACORN stealing the election for Obama.

Cuz jobs are a zero-sum game. Thanks, conservative logic!
 
2013-01-27 08:03:08 PM

darkscout: CigaretteSmokingMan: [i172.photobucket.com image 256x320]

I don't know, that sister in rainbow bright stockings disappeared rather quickly.


t1.gstatic.com
This one?
Or one of these?
www.craftster.org
t1.gstatic.com

If its on the internet, it belongs to the world.
 
2013-01-27 08:05:28 PM

clowncar on fire: mjjt: From the Slow Learner's Dept:

Trying to wash away the story just makes it worse, because

(a)Google effect - journos write more stories about it, and either link or refer to the original, thus lifting the page rank of the original story

(b)Human effect - you remind people of a story they would otherwise have forgotten

(c)Fark effect - pouring through old news stories trying to eek out that last bit of rage that neocons have not embraced Obamacare with the same enthusiasm


Yes. That's it exactly. We're filled with rage because neocons have not embraced Obamacare with enthusiasm. You have pierced to the very core of our secret heart.
 
2013-01-27 08:11:13 PM

stiletto_the_wise: Maybe you could learn to not be such an intolerant idiot and to accept that there exist political viewpoints other than your own?

Thank you for that life lesson, EvilRacistNaziFascist.


My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc. In other words, it's a reproach to those people who believe that there is no legitimate viewpoint other than their own, such as those nasty conformist twats who place their pizza orders based solely on the political opinions of the pizza chain's CEO.
 
2013-01-27 08:12:42 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: stiletto_the_wise: Maybe you could learn to not be such an intolerant idiot and to accept that there exist political viewpoints other than your own?

Thank you for that life lesson, EvilRacistNaziFascist.

My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc. In other words, it's a reproach to those people who believe that there is no legitimate viewpoint other than their own, such as those nasty conformist twats who place their pizza orders based solely on the political opinions of the pizza chain's CEO.


welcometofark.jpg
 
2013-01-27 08:12:42 PM
Damn... Papa John's is right across the street from me....
I don't know who I should listen to: the owner of the company or the sleazy middle management guys
who are just covering their asses....
suggestions?
 
2013-01-27 08:12:51 PM

Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?


It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.
 
2013-01-27 08:15:12 PM
really, zoidberg? you didn't know what a PR flack (flak) was?
That term is at least 40 years old
 
2013-01-27 08:17:40 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc


The_lady_doth_protest_too_much.jpg
 
2013-01-27 08:18:07 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "This week a public relations firm representing Papa John's and Schnatter asked us to unpublish the story."

Wouldn't it be easier to just unsay the remarks?


It really would be way easier and cheaper to just issue a press release saying "I'm sorry, I was wrong about what I said before about Obamacare and how it would add 11 cents to every pizza. I didn't think about my words thoroughly enough and again, I'm sorry."

That's it! That's all it would cost! Just a few, cheap word instead of instigating the Streisand effect that will just end with that same apology but only after considerable public embarrassment!
 
2013-01-27 08:19:19 PM

Fabric_Man: [www.thestreisandeffect.com image 400x254]


link to a larger photo of his house
 
2013-01-27 08:20:43 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc. In other words, it's a reproach to those people who believe that there is no legitimate viewpoint other than their own, such as those nasty conformist twats who place their pizza orders based solely on the political opinions of the pizza chain's CEO.


I agree, people whose purchasing decisions reflect their values are nasty twats.
 
2013-01-27 08:21:36 PM

jaytkay: EvilRacistNaziFascist: My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc

The_lady_doth_protest_too_much.jpg


Well, you got me there: you've found out that I secretly want to kill millions of Jews and overrun and depopulate most of Eastern Europe so that Germans can steal all the best farmland (even though I'm not even German!) Curse those brave Farkers who have frustrated my plans, etc.
 
2013-01-27 08:21:54 PM

udhq: Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.



Or when a company schedules workers just under the 'full time' designation so as to avoid paying those benefits.

People love to hate on unions, but unions built the middle class in the 20th century, the supposed 'good old days'. On that note...unionizing Walmart would probably be one of the greatest achievements in early 21st century American labor.
 
2013-01-27 08:21:56 PM

udhq: Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.


People are paid for the value that they provide. I see places like WalMart and Papa Johns as subsidizing welfare, not the other way around. Those jobs are the last rung before complete government dependence. At least they are picking up some of the tab of those that have no skills valuable enough to provide them with basic sustenance.

The moochers and parasites need to better themselves by obtaining more skills / education and/or get a second/third job. I shouldn't have to pay for their laziness/incompetence/poor decisions/gene pool reject status.
 
2013-01-27 08:24:36 PM

TheDirtyNacho: udhq: Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.


Or when a company schedules workers just under the 'full time' designation so as to avoid paying those benefits.

People love to hate on unions, but unions built the middle class in the 20th century, the supposed 'good old days'. On that note...unionizing Walmart would probably be one of the greatest achievements in early 21st century American labor.


Unions served their purpose. Now they just allow teachers to collect huge salaries while sitting in an empty school. They bankrupt municipalities. They allow shiat workers to stick around. All first hand experience that I've had with union workers has been pretty sad. They have no incentive to work hard because they know that their sorry asses are protected. Pieces of shiat from what I've seen.
 
2013-01-27 08:25:24 PM
Things that have ever been permanently removed from the internet: 0
 
2013-01-27 08:25:52 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc. In other words, it's a reproach to those people who believe that there is no legitimate viewpoint other than their own, such as those nasty conformist twats who place their pizza orders based solely on the political opinions of the pizza chain's CEO.


It's called "voting with your wallet" and in theory, if enough people do it, you start seeing companies (for example) recognizing same-sex partnerships for benefits eligibility.
 
2013-01-27 08:26:49 PM

Silly Jesus: Unions served their purpose. Now they just allow teachers to collect huge salaries while sitting in an empty school. They bankrupt municipalities. They allow shiat workers to stick around. All first hand experience that I've had with union workers has been pretty sad. They have no incentive to work hard because they know that their sorry asses are protected. Pieces of shiat from what I've seen.


So, basically like CEOs with million dollar golden parachutes, then....
 
2013-01-27 08:26:56 PM

leonel: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "This week a public relations firm representing Papa John's and Schnatter asked us to unpublish the story."

Wouldn't it be easier to just unsay the remarks?

It really would be way easier and cheaper to just issue a press release saying "I'm sorry, I was wrong about what I said before about Obamacare and how it would add 11 cents to every pizza. I didn't think about my words thoroughly enough and again, I'm sorry."

That's it! That's all it would cost! Just a few, cheap word instead of instigating the Streisand effect that will just end with that same apology but only after considerable public embarrassment!


Remember that ego thing, he "can't be wrong" publicly or else the questions about what other bad judgements eat into his investor's minds and the stock value drops 10% in a week, and then regardless of sales, or other solid business numbers, the analysts react and "downgrade" their recommendation from buy to wait, and, etc. etc. Of course that is the business person's nightmare, and the reality is that won't happen, but to a person who thinks they are the master of their companies outcomes, it really can weigh down their ability to admit missteps, as his decision to back Romney was a calculated one, and not really a mistake at all.
 
2013-01-27 08:27:55 PM

udhq: I agree, people whose purchasing decisions reflect their values are nasty twats.


As I said, if your "values" include assuming that anyone who disagrees with your opinions suffers from some kind of political cooties and that this means his products (regardless of their actual quality) can't be touched without fear of contagion, then I'm afraid you are indeed a twat.
 
2013-01-27 08:29:27 PM

SpdrJay: He should post some pics of his junk.
Two days later everyone will have totally forgotten about the remark business....


He can't.  Phyllis Schlafly is using his junk as a purse.
 
2013-01-27 08:29:29 PM
I stopped buying Papa John's pizza part because their pizza sucks and their comments about the situation. He is a greedy fark and I am not going to support a business like that. There are several businesses in my area I do not patron because of their shiatball attitude or because of previous indiscretions.
Hope you like a nothing you dumb fark.
 
2013-01-27 08:33:29 PM

Silly Jesus: TheDirtyNacho: udhq: Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.


Or when a company schedules workers just under the 'full time' designation so as to avoid paying those benefits.

People love to hate on unions, but unions built the middle class in the 20th century, the supposed 'good old days'. On that note...unionizing Walmart would probably be one of the greatest achievements in early 21st century American labor.

Unions served their purpose. Now they just allow teachers to collect huge salaries while sitting in an empty school. They bankrupt municipalities. They allow shiat workers to stick around. All first hand experience that I've had with union workers has been pretty sad. They have no incentive to work hard because they know that their sorry asses are protected. Pieces of shiat from what I've seen.



The pendulum swings from one way to the other... unions broke the back of corrupt, lazy and obscenely wealthy baron estates without a guillotine ala the french revolution. Then a few decades later the unions entered a mirror arrangement (although "obscenely wealthy" is not how I would describe them) and then were weakened themselves by legislation. When the people actually start voting against labor at the polls, something is amiss.

But who knows whats next? 21st century unions won't be the same as 20th century, but some kind of worker collectives, or at least labor rights, are inevitable as long as executives like Papa John exist.
 
2013-01-27 08:34:28 PM

stiletto_the_wise: Silly Jesus: Unions served their purpose. Now they just allow teachers to collect huge salaries while sitting in an empty school. They bankrupt municipalities. They allow shiat workers to stick around. All first hand experience that I've had with union workers has been pretty sad. They have no incentive to work hard because they know that their sorry asses are protected. Pieces of shiat from what I've seen.

So, basically like CEOs with million dollar golden parachutes, then....


Lulz

3/10
 
2013-01-27 08:34:29 PM

Silly Jesus: udhq: Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.

People are paid for the value that they provide. I see places like WalMart and Papa Johns as subsidizing welfare, not the other way around. Those jobs are the last rung before complete government dependence. At least they are picking up some of the tab of those that have no skills valuable enough to provide them with basic sustenance.

The moochers and parasites need to better themselves by obtaining more skills / education and/or get a second/third job. I shouldn't have to pay for their laziness/incompetence/poor decisions/gene pool reject status.


Well, I'd see if you could get a refund for your post-doctorate degree in economics, because you literally could not be any more wrong about the numbers on this, especially if you consider the living wage jobs--the mom and pop shops--that these places displace when they invade a community.

I spent seven years in retail at the corporate level, and I can tell you, the entry level floor jobs do not exist out of charity. Same store sales plummet exponentially if store is even slightly shorthanded for the day.

No one who works for a living--no matter the level or wage--can or should ever be called a "taker", but a corporation who relies on government benefits to artificially depress costs in the labor market is nothing but a drain on the community on which it suckles. Any town would be better off without a place like this, and no, not every chain store does this.
 
2013-01-27 08:35:28 PM

Silly Jesus: Lulz

3/10


I'm on a roll today, visit a few other threads...
 
2013-01-27 08:38:58 PM

udhq: Silly Jesus: udhq: Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.

People are paid for the value that they provide. I see places like WalMart and Papa Johns as subsidizing welfare, not the other way around. Those jobs are the last rung before complete government dependence. At least they are picking up some of the tab of those that have no skills valuable enough to provide them with basic sustenance.

The moochers and parasites need to better themselves by obtaining more skills / education and/or get a second/third job. I shouldn't have to pay for their laziness/incompetence/poor decisions/gene pool reject status.

Well, I'd see if you could get a refund for your post-doctorate degree in economics, because you literally could not be any more wrong about the numbers on this, especially if you consider the living wage jobs--the mom and pop shops--that these places displace when they invade a community.

I spent seven years in retail at the corporate level, and I can tell you, the entry level floor jobs do not exist out of charity. Same store sales plummet exponentially if store is even slightly shorthanded for the day.

No one who works for a living--no matter the level or wage--can or should ever be called a "taker", but a corporation who relies on government benefits to artificially depress costs i ...


If the person standing in the doorway of WalMart farting and waving all day wasn't working there, where would they be working? Or would they be 100% reliant on the government to support them?

Obtain more skills and attract an industry to your town that actually contributes something. If there wasn't a shiatty labor force available who has no other skills beyond having a pulse, WalMart couldn't pay what they do.
 
2013-01-27 08:39:39 PM

stiletto_the_wise: It's called "voting with your wallet" and in theory, if enough people do it, you start seeing companies (for example) recognizing same-sex partnerships for benefits eligibility.


It's worth noting that, regardless of what you or I might happen to believe, the vast majority of the world's religions (and consequently, the vast majority of the world's people) disapprove of homosexual behaviour, let alone homosexual marriage; so do you refuse to eat in Chinese restaurants because of the traditionalist viewpoints of the Dalai Lama, or in Persian restaurants because of the anti- gay sentiments of mainstream Islam? Or do you reserve your disapproval for Christian businesses alone?
 
2013-01-27 08:39:49 PM

KrispyKritter: Will never buy a pizza from a bobble head dooshbag millionaire. Thank God i live in beautiful New Jersey, where we are heavily blessed with fine hard working Italian people who make delicious food in restaurants and pizzerias.


Rumson, NJ--Carton Street. Val's Tavern. If you haven't yet and they're still in business, you should. Family owned and operated since the day it opened its doors in the 50's and when I worked there, still used family recipes for most of the food.

You can thank me later if they're still open. Only place besides Donovan's Reef and What's Your Beef that truly makes me want to go back home sometimes.
 
2013-01-27 08:42:41 PM
I'm from the east coast where they have real pizza on nearly every street corner...
Papa John's is a very few short steps up from Dominoe's, but slightly better.
There's an old new york guy that I pay extra for delivery because it's way better pizza.
Either way... I don't have a problem dropping an extra 15 cents per pizza. I'll even buy a couple of Papa John's if it means the Emperer in Chief gets screwed out of a few pennies he tried to screw me out of.

....and... here lies the rub.
I know several people who don't really deserve, but are quite happy to take, various benefits the system has been more than happy to bestow....
And why shouldn't they?
If they should get jobs, the money would be taken away, and they'd be doing just as well as before, possibly less, plus having to work....
The system has been rigged.
In order to get off welfare, just as an individual, one would have to make about 28,000 per year in a lower income state, or 65,000 in a higher income state like California, just to break even.
This includes housing & medical benefits.


So.... how's this? Please give me your opinions on this and why it would or wouldn't work:
Every U.S. Citizen over 18 gets 20 grand a year.... minors get 5 grand a year, payable to the parents or guardians... After that, EVERYBODY PAYS 10% tax on their income... the only allowable deductions are medical, charity, education and housing.
Can somebody give me a good, logical reason this won't work?
 
2013-01-27 08:43:16 PM

TheDirtyNacho: The pendulum swings from one way to the other... unions broke the back of corrupt, lazy and obscenely wealthy baron estates without a guillotine ala the french revolution.


Problem is, they didn't.

John D. Rockefeller
Andrew Carnegie
Andrew Mellon
JP Morgan
Cornelius Vanderbilt
Charles Schwab
John Astor

These families are still around, and still influence business and politics. The USA could have used a few guillotines.
 
2013-01-27 08:46:49 PM
Ooops.  Initial reports said Schnatter made his remarks during an investors' conference call.  Now the PR firm is claiming the same.

But on 11/20/12, Schnatter wrote on HuffPo:

"The remarks that generated the headlines were made during an entrepreneur class I was asked to speak to at a Florida college. I was asked to share my experience as an entrepreneur and to provide the students with real-life small business situations. Unbeknownst to me, until she identified herself, a reporter was there."
 
2013-01-27 08:47:57 PM

TheDirtyNacho: People love to hate on unions, but unions built the middle class in the 20th century, the supposed 'good old days'. On that note...unionizing Walmart would probably be one of the greatest achievements in early 21st century American labor.


Obamacare passed for 1 reason and 1 reason only:

Corporations spent the last 30 years trying to create an uneven playing field in the labor market by dismantling collective bargaining rights for workers.

Thinking they had sufficiently weighted the scale, they invited labor to the table to re-negotiate terms for the next generation.

Labor realized that the game had been stacked against them, and they realized that it would be easier to pursue their demands via legislation rather than through the sham that collective bargaining had become.

Don't get me wrong, the passage of Obamacare was and is a great victory for every person in this country who works for a living, but what it was not was the inevitable end of a struggle; It was a shot across the bow of corporate America, that if you don't want to bargain in the union hall, then we'll bargain in congress. And no Supreme Court ruling can ever make corporate money as loud or as powerful as labor's superior manpower.
 
2013-01-27 08:48:07 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: It's worth noting that, regardless of what you or I might happen to believe, the vast majority of the world's religions (and consequently, the vast majority of the world's people) disapprove of homosexual behaviour, let alone homosexual marriage; so do you refuse to eat in Chinese restaurants because of the traditionalist viewpoints of the Dalai Lama, or in Persian restaurants because of the anti- gay sentiments of mainstream Islam? Or do you reserve your disapproval for Christian businesses alone?


If the actual owner or president of the Chinese restaurant personally went on record advocating anti-gay policies, publicly donated money to anti-gay causes, and formed organizations to fight gay rights groups, well, yea, I'd refuse to eat at that idiot's restaurant.

Will I boycott a burger joint because the owner happens to be Christian but keeps his yap shut? Of course not.
 
2013-01-27 08:48:50 PM

DogBoyTheCat: I'm from the east coast where they have real pizza on nearly every street corner...
Papa John's is a very few short steps up from Dominoe's, but slightly better.
There's an old new york guy that I pay extra for delivery because it's way better pizza.
Either way... I don't have a problem dropping an extra 15 cents per pizza. I'll even buy a couple of Papa John's if it means the Emperer in Chief gets screwed out of a few pennies he tried to screw me out of.

....and... here lies the rub.
I know several people who don't really deserve, but are quite happy to take, various benefits the system has been more than happy to bestow....
And why shouldn't they?
If they should get jobs, the money would be taken away, and they'd be doing just as well as before, possibly less, plus having to work....
The system has been rigged.
In order to get off welfare, just as an individual, one would have to make about 28,000 per year in a lower income state, or 65,000 in a higher income state like California, just to break even.
This includes housing & medical benefits.


So.... how's this? Please give me your opinions on this and why it would or wouldn't work:
Every U.S. Citizen over 18 gets 20 grand a year.... minors get 5 grand a year, payable to the parents or guardians... After that, EVERYBODY PAYS 10% tax on their income... the only allowable deductions are medical, charity, education and housing.
Can somebody give me a good, logical reason this won't work?


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