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(Stabley Times)   Papa John's PR flacks are trying to get CEO John Schnatter's anti-Obamacare comments removed from the internet. Let me know how that works out   (stableytimes.com ) divider line
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2013-01-27 05:12:20 PM  
Papa Johns shilling with the NFL on all those free pizzas based on a coinflip -- someone wants to divide by zero really badly.

Then again, he could get Goddell to fine people for supporting ObamaCare.
 
2013-01-27 05:33:50 PM  
Hmm. Buy Papa John's because the CEO opposes Obamacare, or don't buy from there because they're trying to backpedal.
 
2013-01-27 05:34:26 PM  
He should post some pics of his junk.
Two days later everyone will have totally forgotten about the remark business....
 
2013-01-27 05:34:31 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Papa Johns shilling with the NFL on all those free pizzas based on a coinflip -- someone wants to divide by zero really badly.

Then again, he could get Goddell to fine people for supporting ObamaCare.


You gotta think that this promotion will cost much more than the increase in employee health care due to "ObamaCare" will be.
 
2013-01-27 05:35:02 PM  
shiatty pizza from a shiatty person.
 
2013-01-27 05:36:05 PM  
1) biatch about obamacare
2) Fire employees after losing money from boycotts
3) Blame Obamacare for firing frenzy
 
2013-01-27 05:36:17 PM  
It's pizza, for fark's sake. If you don't have a decent, locally-owned place near your house then can you bring me back a penguin from Ice Station Zebra?
 
2013-01-27 05:38:17 PM  
From the Slow Learner's Dept:

Trying to wash away the story just makes it worse, because

(a)Google effect - journos write more stories about it, and either link or refer to the original, thus lifting the page rank of the original story

(b)Human effect - you remind people of a story they would otherwise have forgotten
 
2013-01-27 05:39:36 PM  
Never understood why corporate execs are stupid enough to make their companies the target of public flogging by making comments on hotbed political topics. Same thing with Chic-fil-A earlier this year.

Keep your mouth shut and lobby behind the scenes, but dragging your company into highly contentious political topics with public statements is the sign of an idiot.
 
2013-01-27 05:40:00 PM  
Just like Papa John's pizza in your intestines, Schnatter's comments will be stuck on the Internet FOREVER.
 
2013-01-27 05:41:06 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's pizza, for fark's sake. If you don't have a decent, locally-owned place near your house then can you bring me back a penguin from Ice Station Zebra?


Ice Station Zebra was set in the arctic.
Penguins, not.
 
2013-01-27 05:41:22 PM  
I didn't know that a flack was a publicity agent. Thanks, Fark, I learned something today.
 
2013-01-27 05:42:14 PM  
You can't take something off the Internet. It's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.
 
2013-01-27 05:42:21 PM  
(c) Streisand Effect - people get pissed off at censorship* attempts and pass the story on further.

*Yeah, I know there's a whole crowd who say "it isn't censorship if it isn't the government doing it!" I don't drink that Kool-Aid.
 
2013-01-27 05:42:45 PM  

mjjt: From the Slow Learner's Dept:

Trying to wash away the story just makes it worse, because

(a)Google effect - journos write more stories about it, and either link or refer to the original, thus lifting the page rank of the original story

(b)Human effect - you remind people of a story they would otherwise have forgotten


Otherwise known as the Streisand Effect
 
2013-01-27 05:43:06 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-27 05:43:13 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's pizza, for fark's sake. If you don't have a decent, locally-owned place near your house then can you bring me back a penguin from Ice Station Zebra?


ohboyherewego.jpg

/locally owned pizza joints are delicious
//mmmm... mother bears pizza...
///But I do like me some Pizza Hut stuffed crust...
 
2013-01-27 05:43:44 PM  
what a douche.
 
2013-01-27 05:43:52 PM  
"This week a public relations firm representing Papa John's and Schnatter asked us to unpublish the story."

Wouldn't it be easier to just unsay the remarks?
 
2013-01-27 05:44:03 PM  
I once lifted the phrase "ground-level Streisand cannons" from someone here on Fark. That phrase just kept running through my head while reading this article.
 
2013-01-27 05:44:38 PM  
Papa John's PR flacks are trying to get CEO John Schnatter's anti-PPACA comments removed from the internet. Let me know how that works out

Naturally, they use the "out of context/misquoted" card. Now what was the quote again so it can be repeated?

/It's PPACA folks
//Nothing else.
 
2013-01-27 05:45:09 PM  
I guess the real question is:
Should he charge $0.15 more per pizza sold for his workers to have health care, or pay his workers $7.50 an hour more than minimum wage that would allow them to pay for it themselves?
It seems that it would be obvious, which would be cheaper, better & less problematic for him in the short and long term. Also if he were to do a pool rate with a nationwide insurer, he could probably drive the actual insurance cost per pizza down to around $0.08. As all large employers will eventually be required to do the same, by getting on it first, he could have an advantage compared to his other competitors by reducing turnover, and getting some more family oriented people cooking rather than the high turnover Highschoolers or college part-timers that waste training time and dollars throughout the organization.
 
2013-01-27 05:45:16 PM  
I'm still trying to remove the puke stains from the one time I tried his pizza.
 
2013-01-27 05:46:57 PM  
www.thestreisandeffect.com
 
2013-01-27 05:47:29 PM  
i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-27 05:48:37 PM  
Papa John speaks with forked tongue.
 
2013-01-27 05:48:47 PM  
Any other families of four have 2 members choosing heads and 2 members choosing tails to guarantee 2 free pizzas? Just putting it out there in case people didn't know that 4 people in a home can all apply if you have different emails. If you don't like him, get pizza on his dime. If you like him, get free pizzas anyhow.
 
2013-01-27 05:49:31 PM  
Papa John's is nasty greasy garlic-flavored garlic that you will spend DAYS trying to shiat out. Do your bowels a favor and skip it.
 
2013-01-27 05:49:36 PM  
Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?
 
2013-01-27 05:49:59 PM  

Acravius: I guess the real question is:
Should he charge $0.15 more per pizza sold for his workers to have health care, or pay his workers $7.50 an hour more than minimum wage that would allow them to pay for it themselves?
It seems that it would be obvious, which would be cheaper, better & less problematic for him in the short and long term. Also if he were to do a pool rate with a nationwide insurer, he could probably drive the actual insurance cost per pizza down to around $0.08. As all large employers will eventually be required to do the same, by getting on it first, he could have an advantage compared to his other competitors by reducing turnover, and getting some more family oriented people cooking rather than the high turnover Highschoolers or college part-timers that waste training time and dollars throughout the organization.



This would require foresight, good-heartedness and intelligence. All of which most "Obamacare" foes have little of.

I own a business and it baffles me when other business owners don't realize what's good for the employees is good for the company. What's good for society tends to be good too, unless you're selling poison...
 
2013-01-27 05:53:08 PM  
Sitrick is one the best crisi-management companies in the business. I find it hard to believe it'd be dumb enough to try to sway reporters to remove a story. They might've asked this guy (who the fark is stableytimes, anyway?) to publish the full quote, which is totally fair, but I don't believe they asked him to take down the story.
I think this little blog platform or whatever it is, finally had someone respond to one of their cut-and-paste stories and got so excited, they did a story about it and still somehow managed to fark it up.
 
2013-01-27 05:54:07 PM  
Doubleplus ungood.
 
2013-01-27 05:55:37 PM  

jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?


People looking to mass market product while cutting corners to increase profitability to show growth so they look good to investors often create low quaility products. Conservatives are the people most likely (not exclusively) to choose this option in business and thus we have the largest chains of low quality food/service often owned by people who are of the conservative mindset. Then they spend their money on their conservative causes saying that their conservatism is what made them great.
 
2013-01-27 05:57:28 PM  

Sygonus: Never understood why corporate execs are stupid enough to make their companies the target of public flogging by making comments on hotbed political topics. Same thing with Chic-fil-A earlier this year.

Keep your mouth shut and lobby behind the scenes, but dragging your company into highly contentious political topics with public statements is the sign of an idiot.


Exactly. The only political stance my business will take is not associating with organizations (or other businesses) that support political positions I don't agree with, but I'm certainly not going to drag that out in public. Besides that, sometimes you just can't avoid it (like how I'm stuck with Walmart for local emergency office supplies). No need to make a big deal out of it.

Obviously it helps that I'm still just running a one woman operation, but if I were ever to hire employees I'd make that part of the conditions of working for me.
 
2013-01-27 05:59:33 PM  
Will never buy a pizza from a bobble head dooshbag millionaire. Thank God i live in beautiful New Jersey, where we are heavily blessed with fine hard working Italian people who make delicious food in restaurants and pizzerias.
 
2013-01-27 06:00:21 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: I own a business and it baffles me when other business owners don't realize what's good for the employees is good for the company. What's good for society tends to be good too, unless you're selling poison...


I ask myself this: do I want to eat at a restaurant that publicly proclaims that they don't want to make even a token effort to keep its workers healthy?
 
2013-01-27 06:02:01 PM  

Brittabot: You can't take something off the Internet. It's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.


Indeed.
 
2013-01-27 06:02:47 PM  

sethstorm: Papa John's PR flacks are trying to get CEO John Schnatter's anti-PPACA comments removed from the internet. Let me know how that works out

Naturally, they use the "out of context/misquoted" card. Now what was the quote again so it can be repeated?

/It's PPACA folks
//Nothing else.


I think he claimed that he was asked what franchise owners might do because of Obamacare. He doesn't directly manage any of the local pizza flippers, so he wasn't saying that he was personally going to do anything. However, I don't have the original comments in front of me and I don't feel like looking them up, so it may well be that he was obviously fighting against Obamacare. I don't buy that pizza anyway.
 
2013-01-27 06:03:49 PM  

Fabric_Man: [www.thestreisandeffect.com image 400x254]


Wealth envy is sad.
 
2013-01-27 06:03:55 PM  
I will gladly pay 11 cents more for a pizza if it helps people have access to health care. But I'm not a selfish greedy conservative.

/sorry for the repetition
 
2013-01-27 06:04:02 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's pizza, for fark's sake. If you don't have a decent, locally-owned place near your house then can you bring me back a penguin from Ice Station Zebra?


More importantly, good pizza is one of the easiest things in the world to make. You don't even need a stand mixer, you just have a plan to make pizza the night before.
 
2013-01-27 06:05:17 PM  
I actually agree with Papa John's on this, too bad their pizza is crap.
 
2013-01-27 06:07:34 PM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: [i172.photobucket.com image 256x320]


I don't know, that sister in rainbow bright stockings disappeared rather quickly.
 
2013-01-27 06:10:03 PM  

taurusowner: Hmm. Buy Papa John's because the CEO opposes Obamacare, or don't buy from there because they're trying to backpedal.


Don't buy Papa John's because it's a terrible company run by a terrible man.
 
2013-01-27 06:12:31 PM  
What the Schnattering Fark is a Schnatter?

I think we should make that a verb, along the lines of the substantif noun, Santorum.

Used in a sentence:  Oh, go schnatter some where else, you schnattering idiot.

"I don't know what that means", to quote David Letterman.

Perhaps it means "to talk on the web so as to sound fat or fat-headed". That would be a good tie-in with Papa John's, which I assume is some kind of fast food joint.
 
2013-01-27 06:12:47 PM  
That reminds me- I was going to send him a check for $1.28 for the extra cost if the pizzas we ordered over the years along with a note that he could cash it next time he steps out of his enormous mansion

Hint to conservative CEOs- if you need to raise your prices by some trivial amount to give your employees (who touch our food) health care make a big deal out if the price rise. Except make the big deal about how we're going to pay the extra sixteen cents since health care for food workers is kind of important- nobody will give a damn about a few pennies
 
2013-01-27 06:13:32 PM  
Donald Trump is an accomplished schnatter. That's not a comb-over. It is a fox fur cozy for a fat head.
 
2013-01-27 06:13:39 PM  
Dear Mr. Johns,

I saved a local copy of the article. If you would like to compensate me for the removal of said data, I would be happy to do so.

Please send check to:
Rich Cream
c/o Fark


/no coupons please
 
2013-01-27 06:13:54 PM  

taurusowner: Hmm. Buy Papa John's because the CEO opposes Obamacare, or don't buy from there because they're trying to backpedal.


Don't buy from them because they oppose Obamacare, don't buy from them because they're trying to backpedal, and don't buy from them because their pizza is ass.
 
2013-01-27 06:14:50 PM  
Won't make a difference. Papa John's won't see a dime of my money.
 
2013-01-27 06:14:58 PM  

AntonChigger: Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's pizza, for fark's sake. If you don't have a decent, locally-owned place near your house then can you bring me back a penguin from Ice Station Zebra?

ohboyherewego.jpg

/locally owned pizza joints are delicious
//mmmm... mother bears pizza...
///But I do like me some Pizza Hut stuffed crust...


You know Bloomington?
 
2013-01-27 06:15:02 PM  
Can't stand Papa John's no matter what, so his politics are of little importance to me.

/Damn sauce tastes like sweetened ketchup. Nasty. Better pizza my arse.
 
2013-01-27 06:15:14 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-27 06:17:22 PM  

Knucklepopper: Sitrick is one the best crisi-management companies in the business. I find it hard to believe it'd be dumb enough to try to sway reporters to remove a story. They might've asked this guy (who the fark is stableytimes, anyway?) to publish the full quote, which is totally fair, but I don't believe they asked him to take down the story.
I think this little blog platform or whatever it is, finally had someone respond to one of their cut-and-paste stories and got so excited, they did a story about it and still somehow managed to fark it up.


My guess is that Drew's got hisself another partner, since that's the second link from that site in the last four hours, and I don't recall seeing it before today.
 
2013-01-27 06:18:02 PM  
Or, you know... you're just another whiny little biatch trying to make political points.

I'm quite sure anyone can find coupons from Papa John himself worth at least 11 cents off of a pizza.
 
2013-01-27 06:21:26 PM  

LibertyHiller: My guess is that Drew's got hisself another partner, since that's the second link from that site in the last four hours, and I don't recall seeing it before today.


Every single time I've seen it in the queue it got a green, so yeah.
 
2013-01-27 06:21:42 PM  
Holy moley! How can his business survive such a hit!?

Whiney little twerp.
 
2013-01-27 06:25:08 PM  
fark Papa Johns and their nasty-ass pizza!

Speaking of Pizza, I think i'm gonna order some now...from Pizza Hut (subpar compared to Conan's pizza here in Austin, but when you are in the middle of packing up to move, 2 pizzas for $25 aint half bad)!
 
2013-01-27 06:25:14 PM  

mjjt: From the Slow Learner's Dept:

Trying to wash away the story just makes it worse, because

(a)Google effect - journos write more stories about it, and either link or refer to the original, thus lifting the page rank of the original story

(b)Human effect - you remind people of a story they would otherwise have forgotten


(c)Fark effect - pouring through old news stories trying to eek out that last bit of rage that neocons have not embraced Obamacare with the same enthusiasm
 
2013-01-27 06:25:53 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's pizza, for fark's sake. If you don't have a decent, locally-owned place near your house then can you bring me back a penguin from Ice Station Zebra?


There should be plenty of penguins left. Ice Station Zebra ate all the staff first, keeping the penguins in reserve for when they became desperate enough to eat the greasy little bastards. And, of course, the warehouse full of pot noddles remains untouched to this very day.

Woo! Shout out to Adult Swim and the cast of Sealab 2021! With a tip o' the hat to Red Dwarf.

Really, penguins are not very tasty, or they'd be extinct.

As for being exclusively Southern hemisphere, the French called two species of birds "pingouins". One of them is extinct but the other is not. It sort of ressembles the extinct Great Auk a little, or puffins, which are plentiful. These were entirely Northern hemisphere birds and are the penguins that Anatole France wrote about in his famous satire, Penguin Island.

The claymation children's cartoon, Pingu, about southern hemisphere penguins, takes its name from the bird and reflects the French pronunciation of Pingouin as three syllables. It is made for an international audience so the birds don't talk English, French or any other language but as sort of internationalized mic-mac or mish-mash that sometimes sounds comprehensible, like Kenny's muttering through his hood on South Park.
 
2013-01-27 06:29:32 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's pizza, for fark's sake. If you don't have a decent, locally-owned place near your house then can you bring me back a penguin from Ice Station Zebra?


These assholes just opened up in Stamford, across the street from a family-run place that has been there for like 30 years. And Stamford is a bit of a pizza town, too. It astonishes me that people actually go there. Every time I pass there, I just wish for them to close. Their presence pisses me off.
 
2013-01-27 06:30:56 PM  
Walked past a Papa Johns in NYC recently....i didn't know i was near one and i smelled a stink (which i later realized was their pizza wafting out) and I thought "What the fark, is there a convention of Homeless Against Showering ' going on nearby?" Cuz it smelled like homeless feet.
 
2013-01-27 06:34:56 PM  

desertfool: Can't stand Papa John's no matter what, so his politics are of little importance to me.

/Damn sauce tastes like sweetened ketchup. Nasty. Better pizza my arse.


Overly sweet sauce, clumpy bland cheese, greasy, greasy meat, dry crust.
 
2013-01-27 06:35:25 PM  

brantgoose:
I think we should make that a verb, along the lines of the substantive noun, Santorum.

Used in a sentence:  Oh, go schnatter some where else, you schnattering idiot.

Perhaps it means "to talk on the web so as to sound fat or fat-headed". That would be a good tie-in with Papa John's, which I assume is some kind of fast food joint.


I second this!

And, let's make it more specific, i.e., "to make a fat-headed, offensive public statement; one that you will later claim was taken out of context". Example: "I had to turn the radio off when I heard Rush schnattering on about ObamaCare."
 
2013-01-27 06:38:00 PM  
Stephen Colbert even suggested how Papa John's could pay for health care costs in this video, thereby saving the money.
 
GBB
2013-01-27 06:40:04 PM  
OH SCHNAT! No he d'i'n't.
 
2013-01-27 06:41:43 PM  

Acravius: Should he charge $0.15 more per pizza sold for his workers to have health care, or pay his workers $7.50 an hour more than minimum wage that would allow them to pay for it themselves?


The problem is, according to John Schnatter's response on HuffPost, they're not his workers. They are the workers of the franchisee.

Schnatter supposedly was asked franchisee owners would raise their prices or cut worker hours in response to the ACA. He said that it was a no brainer, of course they would. But the media took it as an attack against the ACA and ran with it.

So now Schnatter is in a media shiatstorm. He clarified his position, but it hasn't been widely reported. So he can try to hire some PR firm to erase the Internet (haha, not likely) or he can bite the bullet and require all franchisee owners to offer benefits under the ACA, regardless if they're full or part time (sidesteps the issue of mandating that a minimum % of the crew be full time), when they renew their franchisee contract.

I think the PR firm is going to fail. Total Streisand Effect. Suck it up, bite the bullet and make Papa John's 100% covered under the ACA. That way, I can get back to eating some PJ's when I am too lazy to drive over to Papa Murphy's.
 
2013-01-27 06:48:20 PM  
papa johns is the worst of the chain pizza companies. I used to think it was good til I had real pizza and now I can never eat it again.
 
2013-01-27 06:49:59 PM  
I love how everyone on Fark, successful millionaire businessmen that they are, are offering business advice to Schattner.

"Clearly, this make the most sense..... As you can see, my life choices have led me to my mother's basement so I obviously know how to run a huge corporation better than you do."
 
2013-01-27 06:51:49 PM  

gaslight: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x737]


If that top data point is when legal action was threatened, that chart appears to demonstrate that the photos received increasing attention before the legal threat and decreasing attention after it.
 
2013-01-27 06:56:30 PM  

Silly Jesus: I love how everyone on Fark, successful millionaire businessmen that they are, are offering business advice to Schattner.


On occasion, successful people become disconnected from reality and are unable to see the potential consequences of their actions.
 
2013-01-27 06:58:32 PM  
i.imgur.com

reposted for THISiness it deserves.
 
2013-01-27 06:58:40 PM  

Silly Jesus: I love how everyone on Fark, successful millionaire businessmen that they are, are offering business advice to Schattner.

"Clearly, this make the most sense..... As you can see, my life choices have led me to my mother's basement so I obviously know how to run a huge corporation better than you do."


Yeah, and Ford became a millionaire because he was a total douche to his employees like every True American should be.
 
2013-01-27 06:59:03 PM  

Silly Jesus: I love how everyone on Fark, successful millionaire businessmen that they are, are offering business advice to Schattner.


Prehaps, but the people on fark are very successful consumers of pizza.
 
2013-01-27 07:00:29 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Papa John's is nasty greasy garlic-flavored garlic that you will spend DAYS trying to shiat out. Do your bowels a favor and skip it.


What flavor garlic do you prefer?

darkscout: CigaretteSmokingMan: [i172.photobucket.com image 256x320]

I don't know, that sister in rainbow bright stockings disappeared rather quickly.


What sister in rainbow bright stockings? Someone should post a picture so I can see what you're talking about...
 
2013-01-27 07:00:34 PM  

born_yesterday: desertfool: Can't stand Papa John's no matter what, so his politics are of little importance to me.

/Damn sauce tastes like sweetened ketchup. Nasty. Better pizza my arse.

Overly sweet sauce, clumpy bland cheese, greasy, greasy meat, dry crust.


Sauce...could be better. Meat isn't that bad and I've never had a bad crust from them. That said, personally I prefer Godfather's Pizza if we're talking chain franchise pizza. What is irritating is not the quality of the cheese, but the quantity. They seem unwilling or unable to put extra cheese on a pizza when requested. Internet ordering is gimmicky and even the local Papa John's admits that you are better off calling in and inquiring about the local specials.

"Obamacare" was bound to unwanted side effects. Inflation generally and loss of jobs.in some sectors. Whether the positives out weigh the negatives in the end we're still finding out, but so far...I'm not impressed.
 
2013-01-27 07:04:02 PM  

Dinjiin: Silly Jesus: I love how everyone on Fark, successful millionaire businessmen that they are, are offering business advice to Schattner.

On occasion, successful people become disconnected from reality and are unable to see the potential consequences of their actions.


I'm sure he doesn't have an army of people advising him. Clearly, random Farkers have better business sense.
 
2013-01-27 07:04:13 PM  

Calico_Jack: AntonChigger: Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's pizza, for fark's sake. If you don't have a decent, locally-owned place near your house then can you bring me back a penguin from Ice Station Zebra?

ohboyherewego.jpg

/locally owned pizza joints are delicious
//mmmm... mother bears pizza...
///But I do like me some Pizza Hut stuffed crust...

You know Bloomington?


I live there, in fact.
/Grad student
 
2013-01-27 07:05:04 PM  

GranoblasticMan: Silly Jesus: I love how everyone on Fark, successful millionaire businessmen that they are, are offering business advice to Schattner.

"Clearly, this make the most sense..... As you can see, my life choices have led me to my mother's basement so I obviously know how to run a huge corporation better than you do."

Yeah, and Ford became a millionaire because he was a total douche to his employees like every True American should be.


Que?
 
2013-01-27 07:07:36 PM  

Dinjiin: Silly Jesus: I love how everyone on Fark, successful millionaire businessmen that they are, are offering business advice to Schattner.

On occasion, successful people become disconnected from reality and are unable to see the potential consequences of their actions.



This can happen if you base every decision on the numbers on the spreadsheets in front of you and a gaggle of yes-men to reinforce the bubble. Mr John ought to work a week in one of his outlets without such an entourage.
 
2013-01-27 07:14:11 PM  

Dinjiin: Acravius: Should he charge $0.15 more per pizza sold for his workers to have health care, or pay his workers $7.50 an hour more than minimum wage that would allow them to pay for it themselves?

The problem is, according to John Schnatter's response on HuffPost, they're not his workers. They are the workers of the franchisee.

Schnatter supposedly was asked franchisee owners would raise their prices or cut worker hours in response to the ACA. He said that it was a no brainer, of course they would. But the media took it as an attack against the ACA and ran with it.

So now Schnatter is in a media shiatstorm. He clarified his position, but it hasn't been widely reported. So he can try to hire some PR firm to erase the Internet (haha, not likely) or he can bite the bullet and require all franchisee owners to offer benefits under the ACA, regardless if they're full or part time (sidesteps the issue of mandating that a minimum % of the crew be full time), when they renew their franchisee contract.

I think the PR firm is going to fail. Total Streisand Effect. Suck it up, bite the bullet and make Papa John's 100% covered under the ACA. That way, I can get back to eating some PJ's when I am too lazy to drive over to Papa Murphy's.


So when Schnatter did a fund raiser for Romney at his gigantic house, he wasn't really opposed to the ACA? Romney said that on Day 1 of his presidency that he would do a bunch of things including getting rid of "Obamacare". He's still the boss of the company and can set compliance standards for his franchisees, as you stated. The real problem is that on a shareholder conference call he said - that it would cost 11-14 cents per pizza, and if you spread it to the other menu items, the cost is probably closer to 5 cents per product, especially because of the profit margin on soda alone.

Anyways, there is so many ways that this cost shouldn't impact profitablility in his business, and his frachise's should be told how they can offset the costs or to increase their prices across the board by a nickel, and keep their workers working and increasing his companies profitability. Of course they could also leave off, 10 grams of cheese, 10 grams of sauce, and 10 grams of each topping, and save the nickel in costs per pizza that way, and the people who eat at those restaurants wouldn't be the wiser anyway.
 
2013-01-27 07:15:47 PM  

GranoblasticMan: What sister in rainbow bright stockings? Someone should post a picture so I can see what you're talking about..


OhYou.jpg

/ Been done banned for that
 
2013-01-27 07:17:55 PM  

Calico_Jack: AntonChigger: Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's pizza, for fark's sake. If you don't have a decent, locally-owned place near your house then can you bring me back a penguin from Ice Station Zebra?

ohboyherewego.jpg

/locally owned pizza joints are delicious
//mmmm... mother bears pizza...
///But I do like me some Pizza Hut stuffed crust...

You know Bloomington?


Oh god, why'd you guys have to bring that up... Now I am ever more leaning towards spring break in Indy with a jaunt down to B'ton... (can't afford a REAL vacation... might as well visit family)
 
2013-01-27 07:18:41 PM  

Silly Jesus: I'm sure he doesn't have an army of people advising him. Clearly, random Farkers have better business sense.


Cuz having an army of highly paid advisers makes you successful in everything you do.

deathandtaxesmag.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com
 
2013-01-27 07:18:43 PM  

AntonChigger: Calico_Jack: AntonChigger: Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's pizza, for fark's sake. If you don't have a decent, locally-owned place near your house then can you bring me back a penguin from Ice Station Zebra?

ohboyherewego.jpg

/locally owned pizza joints are delicious
//mmmm... mother bears pizza...
///But I do like me some Pizza Hut stuffed crust...

You know Bloomington?

I live there, in fact.
/Grad student


Live there too, but I prefer Avers.
 
2013-01-27 07:19:30 PM  

Dinjiin: So now Schnatter is in a media shiatstorm. He clarified his position, but it hasn't been widely reported. So he can try to hire some PR firm to erase the Internet (haha, not likely) or he can bite the bullet and require all franchisee owners to offer benefits under the ACA, regardless if they're full or part time (sidesteps the issue of mandating that a minimum % of the crew be full time), when they renew their franchisee contract.


It seems like a PR firm clarifying along the way might not be a bad expense.
 
2013-01-27 07:20:01 PM  

Sygonus: Never understood why corporate execs are stupid enough to make their companies the target of public flogging by making comments on hotbed political topics. Same thing with Chic-fil-A earlier this year.

Keep your mouth shut and lobby behind the scenes, but dragging your company into highly contentious political topics with public statements is the sign of an idiot.


A portion of our society fetishizes (?) successful business people the way that another worships vacuous celebrities. In both instances, it causes the recipients to start to believe their own press. They think that because they are rich and famous, that their opinions really do matter more than the hoi polloi.
 
2013-01-27 07:21:36 PM  

brantgoose: What the Schnattering Fark is a Schnatter?

I think we should make that a verb, along the lines of the substantif noun, Santorum.

Used in a sentence:  Oh, go schnatter some where else, you schnattering idiot.

"I don't know what that means", to quote David Letterman.

Perhaps it means "to talk on the web so as to sound fat or fat-headed". That would be a good tie-in with Papa John's, which I assume is some kind of fast food joint.


Not to be confused with "Shatnering".
 
2013-01-27 07:21:59 PM  

Acravius: Dinjiin: Acravius: Should he charge $0.15 more per pizza sold for his workers to have health care, or pay his workers $7.50 an hour more than minimum wage that would allow them to pay for it themselves?

The problem is, according to John Schnatter's response on HuffPost, they're not his workers. They are the workers of the franchisee.

Schnatter supposedly was asked franchisee owners would raise their prices or cut worker hours in response to the ACA. He said that it was a no brainer, of course they would. But the media took it as an attack against the ACA and ran with it.

So now Schnatter is in a media shiatstorm. He clarified his position, but it hasn't been widely reported. So he can try to hire some PR firm to erase the Internet (haha, not likely) or he can bite the bullet and require all franchisee owners to offer benefits under the ACA, regardless if they're full or part time (sidesteps the issue of mandating that a minimum % of the crew be full time), when they renew their franchisee contract.

I think the PR firm is going to fail. Total Streisand Effect. Suck it up, bite the bullet and make Papa John's 100% covered under the ACA. That way, I can get back to eating some PJ's when I am too lazy to drive over to Papa Murphy's.

So when Schnatter did a fund raiser for Romney at his gigantic house, he wasn't really opposed to the ACA? Romney said that on Day 1 of his presidency that he would do a bunch of things including getting rid of "Obamacare". He's still the boss of the company and can set compliance standards for his franchisees, as you stated. The real problem is that on a shareholder conference call he said - that it would cost 11-14 cents per pizza, and if you spread it to the other menu items, the cost is probably closer to 5 cents per product, especially because of the profit margin on soda alone.

Anyways, there is so many ways that this cost shouldn't impact profitablility in his business, and his frachise's should be told how they can offs ...


Wow, you have ALL of the answers. He should hire you immediately.
 
2013-01-27 07:23:34 PM  

jaytkay: Silly Jesus: I'm sure he doesn't have an army of people advising him. Clearly, random Farkers have better business sense.

Cuz having an army of highly paid advisers makes you successful in everything you do.

[deathandtaxesmag.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com image 585x400]


You're right. Farkers would have run a better campaign as well.

I should open a business where I connect anyone that needs anything done with Farkers. They are experts on every issue and can outperform people who've been in X position for a lifetime. I'll call it "fark You."
 
2013-01-27 07:23:42 PM  
fark Papa Johns

Salvatores Tomato Pies!
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2013-01-27 07:26:12 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: Dinjiin: Silly Jesus: I love how everyone on Fark, successful millionaire businessmen that they are, are offering business advice to Schattner.

On occasion, successful people become disconnected from reality and are unable to see the potential consequences of their actions.


This can happen if you base every decision on the numbers on the spreadsheets in front of you and a gaggle of yes-men to reinforce the bubble. Mr John ought to work a week in one of his outlets without such an entourage.


Unfortunately for him, his face is so well-known that that particular ep of Undercover Boss would be about how he had to fend off his angry workers...
 
2013-01-27 07:27:45 PM  
Linking to StableyTimes is about the same as linking to InfoWars. All the derp that's fit to blog.
 
2013-01-27 07:30:45 PM  

Brittabot: You can't take something off the Internet. It's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool.


You have to keep peeing until the concentration is the same.
 
2013-01-27 07:32:55 PM  
I actually liked Dominos until I learned that the head guy was a Christian Nationalist nutter.

I then liked Papa Johns until I learned that the head guy was a militant randroid.

Pizza Hut tastes like ass.

What pizza chain do I have left to eat at with a good conscience?
 
2013-01-27 07:34:40 PM  

Silly Jesus: Acravius: Dinjiin: Acravius: Should he charge $0.15 more per pizza sold for his workers to have health care, or pay his workers $7.50 an hour more than minimum wage that would allow them to pay for it themselves?

The problem is, according to John Schnatter's response on HuffPost, they're not his workers. They are the workers of the franchisee.

Schnatter supposedly was asked franchisee owners would raise their prices or cut worker hours in response to the ACA. He said that it was a no brainer, of course they would. But the media took it as an attack against the ACA and ran with it.

So now Schnatter is in a media shiatstorm. He clarified his position, but it hasn't been widely reported. So he can try to hire some PR firm to erase the Internet (haha, not likely) or he can bite the bullet and require all franchisee owners to offer benefits under the ACA, regardless if they're full or part time (sidesteps the issue of mandating that a minimum % of the crew be full time), when they renew their franchisee contract.

I think the PR firm is going to fail. Total Streisand Effect. Suck it up, bite the bullet and make Papa John's 100% covered under the ACA. That way, I can get back to eating some PJ's when I am too lazy to drive over to Papa Murphy's.

So when Schnatter did a fund raiser for Romney at his gigantic house, he wasn't really opposed to the ACA? Romney said that on Day 1 of his presidency that he would do a bunch of things including getting rid of "Obamacare". He's still the boss of the company and can set compliance standards for his franchisees, as you stated. The real problem is that on a shareholder conference call he said - that it would cost 11-14 cents per pizza, and if you spread it to the other menu items, the cost is probably closer to 5 cents per product, especially because of the profit margin on soda alone.

Anyways, there is so many ways that this cost shouldn't impact profitablility in his business, and his frachise's should be told how the ...

 
2013-01-27 07:35:01 PM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: shiatty pizza from a shiatty person.


I remember the first time I ever ate anything from Papa John's. I was on a ski trip with friends and in a town I had never been in before. When they said there were going to get pizza from Papa John's, I had no idea that it was a chain; I thought it was some local restaurant. I remember anticipating it would be good since local stuff general is. And then the disappointment when I took my first bite. I couldn't understand how a pizza joint making crap like that could stay in business when people could just get something from Domino's or Pizza Hut.

To this day it's a mystery to my why the chain has been successful. I suppose it's the same reason why Wonder Bread and Budweiser are popular in the USA. I guess most Americans like really, really bad food.
 
2013-01-27 07:36:06 PM  

jake_lex: OtherLittleGuy: Papa Johns shilling with the NFL on all those free pizzas based on a coinflip -- someone wants to divide by zero really badly.

Then again, he could get Goddell to fine people for supporting ObamaCare.

You gotta think that this promotion will cost much more than the increase in employee health care due to "ObamaCare" will be.


That's the exact sentiment I emailed to Papa Johns via their customer comment email system. I find it so odd I never heard back from them.....

/heavy sarcasm and eye rolling
 
2013-01-27 07:37:38 PM  

Silly Jesus: Clearly, random Farkers have better business sense.


Not everyone on Fark is a basement dwelling dropout.  Not everyone who heads a company is guaranteed to make a correct decision regarding every choice they face.
 
2013-01-27 07:37:58 PM  

jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?


I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?
 
2013-01-27 07:39:00 PM  

mjjt: From the Slow Learner's Dept:

Trying to wash away the story just makes it worse, because

(a)Google effect - journos write more stories about it, and either link or refer to the original, thus lifting the page rank of the original story

(b)Human effect - you remind people of a story they would otherwise have forgotten


Acravius: I guess the real question is:
Should he charge $0.15 more per pizza sold for his workers to have health care, or pay his workers $7.50 an hour more than minimum wage that would allow them to pay for it themselves?
It seems that it would be obvious, which would be cheaper, better & less problematic for him in the short and long term. Also if he were to do a pool rate with a nationwide insurer, he could probably drive the actual insurance cost per pizza down to around $0.08. As all large employers will eventually be required to do the same, by getting on it first, he could have an advantage compared to his other competitors by reducing turnover, and getting some more family oriented people cooking rather than the high turnover Highschoolers or college part-timers that waste training time and dollars throughout the organization.



If he were smart, he'd run an ad campaign in which he apologized for raising the price of pizza by 15 cents or whatever, but then announced all the wonderful wage hikes and healthcare his employees were going to get with that extra 15 cents. I bet he could both raise the price and increase profits if he played tp the consumers' sense of fair play.
 
2013-01-27 07:39:07 PM  
I'm not sure he understands how the internet works.

I might have to look into the "unring the bell" PR scam for people who've done something life altering and regret it.

/we can't guarantee results but we'll try... profit
 
2013-01-27 07:42:36 PM  

Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

 
2013-01-27 07:43:38 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: What pizza chain do I have left to eat at with a good conscience?


I don't get pizza chains.

I go to a local pizza place for excellent pizza.

When I want OK/good enough pizza I buy frozen at the grocery store for $6 or less.

/ Obviously lots of people disagree or the chains would not exist
// I still don't get it
 
2013-01-27 07:44:13 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: What pizza chain do I have left to eat at with a good conscience?


Maybe you could learn to not be such an intolerant idiot and to accept that there exist political viewpoints other than your own?
 
2013-01-27 07:44:30 PM  
Sorry, for the repost quote, but I was just going to respond that Schnatter didn't want to find a solution, he wanted to make a political point instead in his conference call, because he didn't want to support "Obamacare".

So he wouldn't have hired me, because he didn't care what a solution would be.Business people are looking to hold the status quo, because they want all of their forecasts to stay on track, instead of being wrong, and thus not predictable for their shareholders/profit margins etc.

But for simplicity sake, the change that a franchisee could make would be to change the price of soda fountain drinks by a quarter say from $1.00 to $0.75 while increasing the cost of prepackaged soda from $1.25 to $1.50, since there's more cost for the shipping of the bottled soda vs the dispensing of soda at the location, the cost of dispensing is about 11 cents, vs 85 cents for the shipped liter of soda. Thus you could quickly push people preference towards the more profitable location based soda dispensed product and make up for the nickel loss everytime you sell one dispensed soda vs packaged bottle of soda.
 
2013-01-27 07:46:02 PM  

IlGreven: TheDirtyNacho: Dinjiin: Silly Jesus: I love how everyone on Fark, successful millionaire businessmen that they are, are offering business advice to Schattner.

On occasion, successful people become disconnected from reality and are unable to see the potential consequences of their actions.


This can happen if you base every decision on the numbers on the spreadsheets in front of you and a gaggle of yes-men to reinforce the bubble. Mr John ought to work a week in one of his outlets without such an entourage.

Unfortunately for him, his face is so well-known that that particular ep of Undercover Boss would be about how he had to fend off his angry workers...



Waffle House makes its corporate execs work holidays, night and weekend shifts in their restaurants. Not to say that Waffle House is without its own problems and controversies, but it's a good way to make sure the "top" sees how the front line is functioning.
 
2013-01-27 07:49:26 PM  

hdhale: PPACA was bound to unwanted side effects. Inflation generally and loss of jobs.in some sectors. Whether the positives out weigh the negatives in the end we're still finding out, but so far...I'm not impressed.


Spiteful action by businesses(that think they're higher than The Almighty) is causing most of the negatives as opposed to actual financial hardship.
 
2013-01-27 07:50:16 PM  

Acravius: So when Schnatter did a fund raiser for Romney at his gigantic house, he wasn't really opposed to the ACA?


I've looked for an article outlining which of Romney's policies Schnatter supports, but I can't find any.  He could just be another Scrooge McDuck out to ensure that taxes are as lower possible so that his swimming pool of gold coins remains as high as possible.  He might be anti-abortion.  He might be completely two-faced regarding his views of the ACA.  There is so much FUD out there, it is hard to know.

Doesn't matter too much to me.  Papa Murphy's is now my choice for cheap pizza.  And there are dozens of local independent places I can go if I want something more upscale.  That is kinda the great thing about the pizza food sector... there are so many choices, it takes almost no effort to find someplace else if you dislike your current place.
 
2013-01-27 07:55:28 PM  

Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?


All praise the most holy JOB CREATORS! Piece be upon them!

EvilRacistNaziFascist: stiletto_the_wise: What pizza chain do I have left to eat at with a good conscience?

Maybe you could learn to not be such an intolerant idiot and to accept that there exist political viewpoints other than your own?


Thank you for that life lesson, EvilRacistNaziFascist.
 
2013-01-27 07:57:49 PM  
jake_lex * * Smartest * * Funniest * [ ] Smartest [ ] Funniest 2013-01-27 05:34:31 PM OtherLittleGuy: Papa Johns shilling with the NFL on all those free pizzas based on a coinflip -- someone wants to divide by zero really badly. Then again, he could get Goddell to fine people for supporting ObamaCare. You gotta think that this promotion will cost much more than the increase in employee health care due to "ObamaCare" will be.
========================================

Not to mention, during the whole season they gave away 2 million free pizzas.

Somehow I'm going to guess that cost them far more than Obamacare.
 
2013-01-27 07:59:02 PM  

Dinjiin: I've looked for an article outlining which of Romney's policies Schnatter supports, but I can't find any. He could just be another Scrooge McDuck out to ensure that taxes are as lower possible so that his swimming pool of gold coins remains as high as possible. He might be anti-abortion. He might be completely two-faced regarding his views of the ACA. There is so much FUD out there, it is hard to know.


Most of these ultra-rich business owners don't really have interesting political beliefs at all. They simply want the government to give them a bigger pile of money than their other business owner neighbors.

It helps to think of Congress as a gigantic money funnel. Your tax dollars go in, and Congress points the end at a bunch of already rich people who paid the most in campaign donations.
 
2013-01-27 07:59:23 PM  

jake3988: jake_lex * * Smartest * * Funniest * [ ] Smartest [ ] Funniest 2013-01-27 05:34:31 PM OtherLittleGuy: Papa Johns shilling with the NFL on all those free pizzas based on a coinflip -- someone wants to divide by zero really badly. Then again, he could get Goddell to fine people for supporting ObamaCare. You gotta think that this promotion will cost much more than the increase in employee health care due to "ObamaCare" will be.
========================================

Not to mention, during the whole season they gave away 2 million free pizzas.

Somehow I'm going to guess that cost them far more than Obamacare.


Those giveaways are advertising, Nostradamus.

"Their cheese totally could have paid for healthcare. Why didn't they just redirect the money that they spent on cheese?!?!"
 
2013-01-27 08:00:59 PM  

hdhale: born_yesterday: desertfool: Can't stand Papa John's no matter what, so his politics are of little importance to me.

/Damn sauce tastes like sweetened ketchup. Nasty. Better pizza my arse.

Overly sweet sauce, clumpy bland cheese, greasy, greasy meat, dry crust.

Sauce...could be better. Meat isn't that bad and I've never had a bad crust from them. That said, personally I prefer Godfather's Pizza if we're talking chain franchise pizza. What is irritating is not the quality of the cheese, but the quantity. They seem unwilling or unable to put extra cheese on a pizza when requested. Internet ordering is gimmicky and even the local Papa John's admits that you are better off calling in and inquiring about the local specials.

"Obamacare" was bound to unwanted side effects. Inflation generally and loss of jobs.in some sectors. Whether the positives out weigh the negatives in the end we're still finding out, but so far...I'm not impressed.


It hasn't taken effect yet. But, you knew that.....
 
2013-01-27 08:02:30 PM  

Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?


If they weren't working for Dominoes they would be collecting welfare while working for ACORN stealing the election for Obama.

Cuz jobs are a zero-sum game. Thanks, conservative logic!
 
2013-01-27 08:03:08 PM  

darkscout: CigaretteSmokingMan: [i172.photobucket.com image 256x320]

I don't know, that sister in rainbow bright stockings disappeared rather quickly.


t1.gstatic.com
This one?
Or one of these?
www.craftster.org
t1.gstatic.com

If its on the internet, it belongs to the world.
 
2013-01-27 08:05:28 PM  

clowncar on fire: mjjt: From the Slow Learner's Dept:

Trying to wash away the story just makes it worse, because

(a)Google effect - journos write more stories about it, and either link or refer to the original, thus lifting the page rank of the original story

(b)Human effect - you remind people of a story they would otherwise have forgotten

(c)Fark effect - pouring through old news stories trying to eek out that last bit of rage that neocons have not embraced Obamacare with the same enthusiasm


Yes. That's it exactly. We're filled with rage because neocons have not embraced Obamacare with enthusiasm. You have pierced to the very core of our secret heart.
 
2013-01-27 08:11:13 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Maybe you could learn to not be such an intolerant idiot and to accept that there exist political viewpoints other than your own?

Thank you for that life lesson, EvilRacistNaziFascist.


My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc. In other words, it's a reproach to those people who believe that there is no legitimate viewpoint other than their own, such as those nasty conformist twats who place their pizza orders based solely on the political opinions of the pizza chain's CEO.
 
2013-01-27 08:12:42 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: stiletto_the_wise: Maybe you could learn to not be such an intolerant idiot and to accept that there exist political viewpoints other than your own?

Thank you for that life lesson, EvilRacistNaziFascist.

My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc. In other words, it's a reproach to those people who believe that there is no legitimate viewpoint other than their own, such as those nasty conformist twats who place their pizza orders based solely on the political opinions of the pizza chain's CEO.


welcometofark.jpg
 
2013-01-27 08:12:42 PM  
Damn... Papa John's is right across the street from me....
I don't know who I should listen to: the owner of the company or the sleazy middle management guys
who are just covering their asses....
suggestions?
 
2013-01-27 08:12:51 PM  

Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?


It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.
 
2013-01-27 08:15:12 PM  
really, zoidberg? you didn't know what a PR flack (flak) was?
That term is at least 40 years old
 
2013-01-27 08:17:40 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc


The_lady_doth_protest_too_much.jpg
 
2013-01-27 08:18:07 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "This week a public relations firm representing Papa John's and Schnatter asked us to unpublish the story."

Wouldn't it be easier to just unsay the remarks?


It really would be way easier and cheaper to just issue a press release saying "I'm sorry, I was wrong about what I said before about Obamacare and how it would add 11 cents to every pizza. I didn't think about my words thoroughly enough and again, I'm sorry."

That's it! That's all it would cost! Just a few, cheap word instead of instigating the Streisand effect that will just end with that same apology but only after considerable public embarrassment!
 
2013-01-27 08:19:19 PM  

Fabric_Man: [www.thestreisandeffect.com image 400x254]


link to a larger photo of his house
 
2013-01-27 08:20:43 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc. In other words, it's a reproach to those people who believe that there is no legitimate viewpoint other than their own, such as those nasty conformist twats who place their pizza orders based solely on the political opinions of the pizza chain's CEO.


I agree, people whose purchasing decisions reflect their values are nasty twats.
 
2013-01-27 08:21:36 PM  

jaytkay: EvilRacistNaziFascist: My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc

The_lady_doth_protest_too_much.jpg


Well, you got me there: you've found out that I secretly want to kill millions of Jews and overrun and depopulate most of Eastern Europe so that Germans can steal all the best farmland (even though I'm not even German!) Curse those brave Farkers who have frustrated my plans, etc.
 
2013-01-27 08:21:54 PM  

udhq: Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.



Or when a company schedules workers just under the 'full time' designation so as to avoid paying those benefits.

People love to hate on unions, but unions built the middle class in the 20th century, the supposed 'good old days'. On that note...unionizing Walmart would probably be one of the greatest achievements in early 21st century American labor.
 
2013-01-27 08:21:56 PM  

udhq: Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.


People are paid for the value that they provide. I see places like WalMart and Papa Johns as subsidizing welfare, not the other way around. Those jobs are the last rung before complete government dependence. At least they are picking up some of the tab of those that have no skills valuable enough to provide them with basic sustenance.

The moochers and parasites need to better themselves by obtaining more skills / education and/or get a second/third job. I shouldn't have to pay for their laziness/incompetence/poor decisions/gene pool reject status.
 
2013-01-27 08:24:36 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: udhq: Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.


Or when a company schedules workers just under the 'full time' designation so as to avoid paying those benefits.

People love to hate on unions, but unions built the middle class in the 20th century, the supposed 'good old days'. On that note...unionizing Walmart would probably be one of the greatest achievements in early 21st century American labor.


Unions served their purpose. Now they just allow teachers to collect huge salaries while sitting in an empty school. They bankrupt municipalities. They allow shiat workers to stick around. All first hand experience that I've had with union workers has been pretty sad. They have no incentive to work hard because they know that their sorry asses are protected. Pieces of shiat from what I've seen.
 
2013-01-27 08:25:24 PM  
Things that have ever been permanently removed from the internet: 0
 
2013-01-27 08:25:52 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc. In other words, it's a reproach to those people who believe that there is no legitimate viewpoint other than their own, such as those nasty conformist twats who place their pizza orders based solely on the political opinions of the pizza chain's CEO.


It's called "voting with your wallet" and in theory, if enough people do it, you start seeing companies (for example) recognizing same-sex partnerships for benefits eligibility.
 
2013-01-27 08:26:49 PM  

Silly Jesus: Unions served their purpose. Now they just allow teachers to collect huge salaries while sitting in an empty school. They bankrupt municipalities. They allow shiat workers to stick around. All first hand experience that I've had with union workers has been pretty sad. They have no incentive to work hard because they know that their sorry asses are protected. Pieces of shiat from what I've seen.


So, basically like CEOs with million dollar golden parachutes, then....
 
2013-01-27 08:26:56 PM  

leonel: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "This week a public relations firm representing Papa John's and Schnatter asked us to unpublish the story."

Wouldn't it be easier to just unsay the remarks?

It really would be way easier and cheaper to just issue a press release saying "I'm sorry, I was wrong about what I said before about Obamacare and how it would add 11 cents to every pizza. I didn't think about my words thoroughly enough and again, I'm sorry."

That's it! That's all it would cost! Just a few, cheap word instead of instigating the Streisand effect that will just end with that same apology but only after considerable public embarrassment!


Remember that ego thing, he "can't be wrong" publicly or else the questions about what other bad judgements eat into his investor's minds and the stock value drops 10% in a week, and then regardless of sales, or other solid business numbers, the analysts react and "downgrade" their recommendation from buy to wait, and, etc. etc. Of course that is the business person's nightmare, and the reality is that won't happen, but to a person who thinks they are the master of their companies outcomes, it really can weigh down their ability to admit missteps, as his decision to back Romney was a calculated one, and not really a mistake at all.
 
2013-01-27 08:27:55 PM  

udhq: I agree, people whose purchasing decisions reflect their values are nasty twats.


As I said, if your "values" include assuming that anyone who disagrees with your opinions suffers from some kind of political cooties and that this means his products (regardless of their actual quality) can't be touched without fear of contagion, then I'm afraid you are indeed a twat.
 
2013-01-27 08:29:27 PM  

SpdrJay: He should post some pics of his junk.
Two days later everyone will have totally forgotten about the remark business....


He can't.  Phyllis Schlafly is using his junk as a purse.
 
2013-01-27 08:29:29 PM  
I stopped buying Papa John's pizza part because their pizza sucks and their comments about the situation. He is a greedy fark and I am not going to support a business like that. There are several businesses in my area I do not patron because of their shiatball attitude or because of previous indiscretions.
Hope you like a nothing you dumb fark.
 
2013-01-27 08:33:29 PM  

Silly Jesus: TheDirtyNacho: udhq: Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.


Or when a company schedules workers just under the 'full time' designation so as to avoid paying those benefits.

People love to hate on unions, but unions built the middle class in the 20th century, the supposed 'good old days'. On that note...unionizing Walmart would probably be one of the greatest achievements in early 21st century American labor.

Unions served their purpose. Now they just allow teachers to collect huge salaries while sitting in an empty school. They bankrupt municipalities. They allow shiat workers to stick around. All first hand experience that I've had with union workers has been pretty sad. They have no incentive to work hard because they know that their sorry asses are protected. Pieces of shiat from what I've seen.



The pendulum swings from one way to the other... unions broke the back of corrupt, lazy and obscenely wealthy baron estates without a guillotine ala the french revolution. Then a few decades later the unions entered a mirror arrangement (although "obscenely wealthy" is not how I would describe them) and then were weakened themselves by legislation. When the people actually start voting against labor at the polls, something is amiss.

But who knows whats next? 21st century unions won't be the same as 20th century, but some kind of worker collectives, or at least labor rights, are inevitable as long as executives like Papa John exist.
 
2013-01-27 08:34:28 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: Silly Jesus: Unions served their purpose. Now they just allow teachers to collect huge salaries while sitting in an empty school. They bankrupt municipalities. They allow shiat workers to stick around. All first hand experience that I've had with union workers has been pretty sad. They have no incentive to work hard because they know that their sorry asses are protected. Pieces of shiat from what I've seen.

So, basically like CEOs with million dollar golden parachutes, then....


Lulz

3/10
 
2013-01-27 08:34:29 PM  

Silly Jesus: udhq: Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.

People are paid for the value that they provide. I see places like WalMart and Papa Johns as subsidizing welfare, not the other way around. Those jobs are the last rung before complete government dependence. At least they are picking up some of the tab of those that have no skills valuable enough to provide them with basic sustenance.

The moochers and parasites need to better themselves by obtaining more skills / education and/or get a second/third job. I shouldn't have to pay for their laziness/incompetence/poor decisions/gene pool reject status.


Well, I'd see if you could get a refund for your post-doctorate degree in economics, because you literally could not be any more wrong about the numbers on this, especially if you consider the living wage jobs--the mom and pop shops--that these places displace when they invade a community.

I spent seven years in retail at the corporate level, and I can tell you, the entry level floor jobs do not exist out of charity. Same store sales plummet exponentially if store is even slightly shorthanded for the day.

No one who works for a living--no matter the level or wage--can or should ever be called a "taker", but a corporation who relies on government benefits to artificially depress costs in the labor market is nothing but a drain on the community on which it suckles. Any town would be better off without a place like this, and no, not every chain store does this.
 
2013-01-27 08:35:28 PM  

Silly Jesus: Lulz

3/10


I'm on a roll today, visit a few other threads...
 
2013-01-27 08:38:58 PM  

udhq: Silly Jesus: udhq: Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.

People are paid for the value that they provide. I see places like WalMart and Papa Johns as subsidizing welfare, not the other way around. Those jobs are the last rung before complete government dependence. At least they are picking up some of the tab of those that have no skills valuable enough to provide them with basic sustenance.

The moochers and parasites need to better themselves by obtaining more skills / education and/or get a second/third job. I shouldn't have to pay for their laziness/incompetence/poor decisions/gene pool reject status.

Well, I'd see if you could get a refund for your post-doctorate degree in economics, because you literally could not be any more wrong about the numbers on this, especially if you consider the living wage jobs--the mom and pop shops--that these places displace when they invade a community.

I spent seven years in retail at the corporate level, and I can tell you, the entry level floor jobs do not exist out of charity. Same store sales plummet exponentially if store is even slightly shorthanded for the day.

No one who works for a living--no matter the level or wage--can or should ever be called a "taker", but a corporation who relies on government benefits to artificially depress costs i ...


If the person standing in the doorway of WalMart farting and waving all day wasn't working there, where would they be working? Or would they be 100% reliant on the government to support them?

Obtain more skills and attract an industry to your town that actually contributes something. If there wasn't a shiatty labor force available who has no other skills beyond having a pulse, WalMart couldn't pay what they do.
 
2013-01-27 08:39:39 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: It's called "voting with your wallet" and in theory, if enough people do it, you start seeing companies (for example) recognizing same-sex partnerships for benefits eligibility.


It's worth noting that, regardless of what you or I might happen to believe, the vast majority of the world's religions (and consequently, the vast majority of the world's people) disapprove of homosexual behaviour, let alone homosexual marriage; so do you refuse to eat in Chinese restaurants because of the traditionalist viewpoints of the Dalai Lama, or in Persian restaurants because of the anti- gay sentiments of mainstream Islam? Or do you reserve your disapproval for Christian businesses alone?
 
2013-01-27 08:39:49 PM  

KrispyKritter: Will never buy a pizza from a bobble head dooshbag millionaire. Thank God i live in beautiful New Jersey, where we are heavily blessed with fine hard working Italian people who make delicious food in restaurants and pizzerias.


Rumson, NJ--Carton Street. Val's Tavern. If you haven't yet and they're still in business, you should. Family owned and operated since the day it opened its doors in the 50's and when I worked there, still used family recipes for most of the food.

You can thank me later if they're still open. Only place besides Donovan's Reef and What's Your Beef that truly makes me want to go back home sometimes.
 
2013-01-27 08:42:41 PM  
I'm from the east coast where they have real pizza on nearly every street corner...
Papa John's is a very few short steps up from Dominoe's, but slightly better.
There's an old new york guy that I pay extra for delivery because it's way better pizza.
Either way... I don't have a problem dropping an extra 15 cents per pizza. I'll even buy a couple of Papa John's if it means the Emperer in Chief gets screwed out of a few pennies he tried to screw me out of.

....and... here lies the rub.
I know several people who don't really deserve, but are quite happy to take, various benefits the system has been more than happy to bestow....
And why shouldn't they?
If they should get jobs, the money would be taken away, and they'd be doing just as well as before, possibly less, plus having to work....
The system has been rigged.
In order to get off welfare, just as an individual, one would have to make about 28,000 per year in a lower income state, or 65,000 in a higher income state like California, just to break even.
This includes housing & medical benefits.


So.... how's this? Please give me your opinions on this and why it would or wouldn't work:
Every U.S. Citizen over 18 gets 20 grand a year.... minors get 5 grand a year, payable to the parents or guardians... After that, EVERYBODY PAYS 10% tax on their income... the only allowable deductions are medical, charity, education and housing.
Can somebody give me a good, logical reason this won't work?
 
2013-01-27 08:43:16 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: The pendulum swings from one way to the other... unions broke the back of corrupt, lazy and obscenely wealthy baron estates without a guillotine ala the french revolution.


Problem is, they didn't.

John D. Rockefeller
Andrew Carnegie
Andrew Mellon
JP Morgan
Cornelius Vanderbilt
Charles Schwab
John Astor

These families are still around, and still influence business and politics. The USA could have used a few guillotines.
 
2013-01-27 08:46:49 PM  
Ooops.  Initial reports said Schnatter made his remarks during an investors' conference call.  Now the PR firm is claiming the same.

But on 11/20/12, Schnatter wrote on HuffPo:

"The remarks that generated the headlines were made during an entrepreneur class I was asked to speak to at a Florida college. I was asked to share my experience as an entrepreneur and to provide the students with real-life small business situations. Unbeknownst to me, until she identified herself, a reporter was there."
 
2013-01-27 08:47:57 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: People love to hate on unions, but unions built the middle class in the 20th century, the supposed 'good old days'. On that note...unionizing Walmart would probably be one of the greatest achievements in early 21st century American labor.


Obamacare passed for 1 reason and 1 reason only:

Corporations spent the last 30 years trying to create an uneven playing field in the labor market by dismantling collective bargaining rights for workers.

Thinking they had sufficiently weighted the scale, they invited labor to the table to re-negotiate terms for the next generation.

Labor realized that the game had been stacked against them, and they realized that it would be easier to pursue their demands via legislation rather than through the sham that collective bargaining had become.

Don't get me wrong, the passage of Obamacare was and is a great victory for every person in this country who works for a living, but what it was not was the inevitable end of a struggle; It was a shot across the bow of corporate America, that if you don't want to bargain in the union hall, then we'll bargain in congress. And no Supreme Court ruling can ever make corporate money as loud or as powerful as labor's superior manpower.
 
2013-01-27 08:48:07 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: It's worth noting that, regardless of what you or I might happen to believe, the vast majority of the world's religions (and consequently, the vast majority of the world's people) disapprove of homosexual behaviour, let alone homosexual marriage; so do you refuse to eat in Chinese restaurants because of the traditionalist viewpoints of the Dalai Lama, or in Persian restaurants because of the anti- gay sentiments of mainstream Islam? Or do you reserve your disapproval for Christian businesses alone?


If the actual owner or president of the Chinese restaurant personally went on record advocating anti-gay policies, publicly donated money to anti-gay causes, and formed organizations to fight gay rights groups, well, yea, I'd refuse to eat at that idiot's restaurant.

Will I boycott a burger joint because the owner happens to be Christian but keeps his yap shut? Of course not.
 
2013-01-27 08:48:50 PM  

DogBoyTheCat: I'm from the east coast where they have real pizza on nearly every street corner...
Papa John's is a very few short steps up from Dominoe's, but slightly better.
There's an old new york guy that I pay extra for delivery because it's way better pizza.
Either way... I don't have a problem dropping an extra 15 cents per pizza. I'll even buy a couple of Papa John's if it means the Emperer in Chief gets screwed out of a few pennies he tried to screw me out of.

....and... here lies the rub.
I know several people who don't really deserve, but are quite happy to take, various benefits the system has been more than happy to bestow....
And why shouldn't they?
If they should get jobs, the money would be taken away, and they'd be doing just as well as before, possibly less, plus having to work....
The system has been rigged.
In order to get off welfare, just as an individual, one would have to make about 28,000 per year in a lower income state, or 65,000 in a higher income state like California, just to break even.
This includes housing & medical benefits.


So.... how's this? Please give me your opinions on this and why it would or wouldn't work:
Every U.S. Citizen over 18 gets 20 grand a year.... minors get 5 grand a year, payable to the parents or guardians... After that, EVERYBODY PAYS 10% tax on their income... the only allowable deductions are medical, charity, education and housing.
Can somebody give me a good, logical reason this won't work?


notsureifseriousormildlyretarded.jpg
 
2013-01-27 08:51:10 PM  

LibertyHiller: Knucklepopper: Sitrick is one the best crisi-management companies in the business. I find it hard to believe it'd be dumb enough to try to sway reporters to remove a story. They might've asked this guy (who the fark is stableytimes, anyway?) to publish the full quote, which is totally fair, but I don't believe they asked him to take down the story.
I think this little blog platform or whatever it is, finally had someone respond to one of their cut-and-paste stories and got so excited, they did a story about it and still somehow managed to fark it up.

My guess is that Drew's got hisself another partner, since that's the second link from that site in the last four hours, and I don't recall seeing it before today.


A metric shiat ton of StableyTimes links have been redlit in the past month.  I'm glad it's clearly tagged so I can ignore it easily.  Blogger sucks.
 
2013-01-27 08:53:24 PM  

udhq: Don't get me wrong, the passage of Obamacare was and is a great victory for every person in this country who works for a living, but what it was not was the inevitable end of a struggle; It was a shot across the bow of corporate America, that if you don't want to bargain in the union hall, then we'll bargain in congress. And no Supreme Court ruling can ever make corporate money as loud or as powerful as labor's superior manpower.


Think of it from the point of view of Corporate Money: I'm the top 1%. All I have to do is pit the bottom two 49.5%s against each other and while they're fighting, I'll buy all sorts of crazy laws to funnel money into my pocket.

The union "controversy" is just that. Divide and conquer. Whip the non-union folks up into a FROTHING FRENZY over how privileged those union guys are and how incompetent they are and how they always get such special treatment and aren't unions bad and why can't we level the playing field for workers and those unions sure protect the bad guys don't they and pretty soon: I've got half the labor force battling the other half. CHA CHING!
 
2013-01-27 08:54:28 PM  
Way back when, before Papa John's was the pizza juggernaut it is today; Yours truly was a delivery driver for the PJ store in Middletown, Louisville. This store's delivery area included Mr. Schnatter's home in Anchorage. I have on multiple occassions delivered pizzas to him and his wife, as have many of my friends.

Being as Mr.S is a litigious man, and we of limited means... We always found it prudent not to slander him directly. We developed a phrase to describe our feelings about Papa John. In a manner that is both factual as well as indicative of our feelings for him. That phrase is simply:

"John Schnatter is NOT my friend."
 
2013-01-27 08:59:08 PM  
Until conservatism becomes a pizza topping, I'll appreciate it if you keep it out of the store. You're selling products, not campaigning for a political view.

Here's another idea: maybe the CEOs and other higher-ups can "suffer" to slash their own paychecks and bonuses down a bit. It's funny how the ones who whine the loudest about anything and everything "cutting into their profits" are also the ones who give themselves the lion's share of said profits.
 
2013-01-27 08:59:15 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: stiletto_the_wise: Maybe you could learn to not be such an intolerant idiot and to accept that there exist political viewpoints other than your own?

Thank you for that life lesson, EvilRacistNaziFascist.

My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc. In other words, it's a reproach to those people who believe that there is no legitimate viewpoint other than their own, such as those nasty conformist twats who place their pizza orders based solely on the political opinions of the pizza chain's CEO.


If you have to explain your username all the time, you are the clueless one.
 
2013-01-27 09:00:16 PM  

DougTaupe: Way back when, before Papa John's was the pizza juggernaut it is today; Yours truly was a delivery driver for the PJ store in Middletown, Louisville. This store's delivery area included Mr. Schnatter's home in Anchorage. I have on multiple occassions delivered pizzas to him and his wife, as have many of my friends.

Being as Mr.S is a litigious man, and we of limited means... We always found it prudent not to slander him directly. We developed a phrase to describe our feelings about Papa John. In a manner that is both factual as well as indicative of our feelings for him. That phrase is simply:

"John Schnatter is NOT my friend."


LOL. Do you have to be a douchenozzle in order to be a successful business owner? Or does being a douchenozzle simply help you become a successful business owner? Or do successful business owners simply tend to be douchenozzles? One of the world's great questions...
 
2013-01-27 09:00:59 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: udhq: I agree, people whose purchasing decisions reflect their values are nasty twats.

As I said, if your "values" include assuming that anyone who disagrees with your opinions suffers from some kind of political cooties and that this means his products (regardless of their actual quality) can't be touched without fear of contagion, then I'm afraid you are indeed a twat.


The "regardless of actual quality" bit could end this discussion right out. But for the sake of discussion, let's assume that any of the right-wing pizza places (PJ's, Dominoes, Godfathers) sold anything other than a circle of hot salty garbage.

In my work life, I do business with lots of people I disagree with politically, and even with lots of people I consider to be terrible people (not necessarily the same, but it's venn diagram with significant overlap).

The difference is that I will only "do business" with these people if I can do it in a way that does not support any farked up, 19th century beliefs. I'll buy a good product from a guy who cheats on his wife, but not products that are made with slave labor. You see the difference? And in this case, there's no way for me to buy from PJ's without supporting Schnattter's notion that a more profitable restaurant is just better, even if it means the serfs who work there can afford their syphilis meds.
 
2013-01-27 09:01:40 PM  

Silly Jesus: TheDirtyNacho: udhq: Silly Jesus: Hempmonkey: jaytkay: Papa Johns, Godfathers, Dominoes - what's the deal with conservative assholes and bad pizza?

I dunno, maybe providing over 279,000 jobs for lazy Liberals?

It's funny, when a corporation creates a job that allows a person to work full time and still live in poverty, without access to basic healthcare, that corporation is a "job creator" and is hailed as a boon to the economy.

But when that full-time worker is forced to turn to the government to meet their basic needs--food stamps, healthcare, general assistance, etc.--they are called a "taker" or a "parasite."

We, as a society, need to re-evaluate which party in this situation is really the drain on our economy and our society.


Or when a company schedules workers just under the 'full time' designation so as to avoid paying those benefits.

People love to hate on unions, but unions built the middle class in the 20th century, the supposed 'good old days'. On that note...unionizing Walmart would probably be one of the greatest achievements in early 21st century American labor.

Unions served their purpose. Now they just allow teachers to collect huge salaries while sitting in an empty school. They bankrupt municipalities. They allow shiat workers to stick around. All first hand experience that I've had with union workers has been pretty sad. They have no incentive to work hard because they know that their sorry asses are protected. Pieces of shiat from what I've seen.


Jesus, you're just silly!
 
2013-01-27 09:01:46 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Here's another idea: maybe the CEOs and other higher-ups can "suffer" to slash their own paychecks and bonuses down a bit. It's funny how the ones who whine the loudest about anything and everything "cutting into their profits" are also the ones who give themselves the lion's share of said profits.


It's easiest to whine about your taxes when relaxing on your own island or flying there in your private jet.
 
2013-01-27 09:03:15 PM  

ciberido: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: shiatty pizza from a shiatty person.

I remember the first time I ever ate anything from Papa John's. I was on a ski trip with friends and in a town I had never been in before. When they said there were going to get pizza from Papa John's, I had no idea that it was a chain; I thought it was some local restaurant. I remember anticipating it would be good since local stuff general is. And then the disappointment when I took my first bite. I couldn't understand how a pizza joint making crap like that could stay in business when people could just get something from Domino's or Pizza Hut.

To this day it's a mystery to my why the chain has been successful. I suppose it's the same reason why Wonder Bread and Budweiser are popular in the USA. I guess most Americans like really, really bad food.


Americans generally like consistency. That's why places like papa John's, Olive Garden, Applebee's, and the like are so popular. No matter where you are, you know what you're getting - even if it sucks.

It's the fear of the unknown. This is why old conservatives keep these places in the black.
 
2013-01-27 09:04:00 PM  
Ps: Word on the street is PJ's hires a media monitoring firm to build reports on threads like this one as well as News media mentions and facebook. I won't mention the name of this firm, but they're located in an office building on North Hurstborne lane in Louisville, Ky.

If you're reading this from that office, make a note for JS asking if he remembers the time I passed his Excursion while on delivery at 20-over; Car topper lit with a bumper sticker that read "f@#k work".

/Goods times, good times
 
2013-01-27 09:04:27 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: I actually liked Dominos until I learned that the head guy was a Christian Nationalist nutter.

I then liked Papa Johns until I learned that the head guy was a militant randroid.

Pizza Hut tastes like ass.

What pizza chain do I have left to eat at with a good conscience?


Little Caesar's?
 
2013-01-27 09:04:35 PM  
I'm tired of FARK being used as to spread disinformation.

CNN DID NOT claim Papa Johns would not have to pass Obama tax on it's customers.
Papa Johns DID NOT retract their statements.
There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever to back up claims from this website that Papa John's is trying to remove statements.

Since when is any unheard of bullshiat blog considered newsworthy?
 
2013-01-27 09:07:43 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: stiletto_the_wise: What pizza chain do I have left to eat at with a good conscience?

Maybe you could learn to not be such an intolerant idiot and to accept that there exist political viewpoints other than your own?


I don't go to pizza places to be lectured about why health care for everyone is evil and horrible. I go there for pizza. Keep your politics out of your products and maybe things like this won't happen.
 
2013-01-27 09:07:47 PM  

Dwindle: I'm tired of FARK being used as to spread disinformation.

CNN DID NOT claim Papa Johns would not have to pass Obama tax on it's customers.
Papa Johns DID NOT retract their statements.
There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever to back up claims from this website that Papa John's is trying to remove statements.

Since when is any unheard of bullshiat blog considered newsworthy?


welcometofark.jpg

If it feeds into the Fark echo chamber, it's as good as the word of Messiah Obama.
 
2013-01-27 09:11:56 PM  
Papa John's dissembles!
 
2013-01-27 09:13:38 PM  

Silly Jesus: If the person standing in the doorway of WalMart farting and waving all day wasn't working there, where would they be working? Or would they be 100% reliant on the government to support them?

Obtain more skills and attract an industry to your town that actually contributes something. If there wasn't a shiatty labor force available who has no other skills beyond having a pulse, WalMart couldn't pay what they do.


No, WalMart pays what they do because it is part of their overall cost strategy to use government assistance to defray labor costs. This is well-documented fact.

On top of that, when they invade a community, the first thing they do is run a program of about 60 days worth of extremely aggressive promotions in order to kill off as much local competition as possible. During these periods, new stores lose a staggering amount of money, but then, as a $300billion company, they can afford it.

Because of this promotions strategy, new WalMart store typically take more than 2 years to break even. This is about 3 times longer than a Target store (a Target store is also about 6 times more profitable than a WalMart store, with only 3% average higher prices on comparable items, FWIW.)
 
2013-01-27 09:14:39 PM  
Dwindle:

I'm tired of FARK being used as to spread disinformation.

CNN DID NOT claim Papa Johns would not have to pass Obama tax on it's customers.
Papa Johns DID NOT retract their statements.
There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever to back up claims from this website that Papa John's is trying to remove statements.


please... tell us more about this attention whore.

Dwindle, why is this disturbing your sleep at night?
 
2013-01-27 09:18:03 PM  

El Dudereno: ciberido: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: shiatty pizza from a shiatty person.

I remember the first time I ever ate anything from Papa John's. I was on a ski trip with friends and in a town I had never been in before. When they said there were going to get pizza from Papa John's, I had no idea that it was a chain; I thought it was some local restaurant. I remember anticipating it would be good since local stuff general is. And then the disappointment when I took my first bite. I couldn't understand how a pizza joint making crap like that could stay in business when people could just get something from Domino's or Pizza Hut.

To this day it's a mystery to my why the chain has been successful. I suppose it's the same reason why Wonder Bread and Budweiser are popular in the USA. I guess most Americans like really, really bad food.

Americans generally like consistency. That's why places like papa John's, Olive Garden, Applebee's, and the like are so popular. No matter where you are, you know what you're getting - even if it sucks.

It's the fear of the unknown. This is why old conservatives keep these places in the black.


Hey, what's wrong with Applebee's? My roommates and I went there all the time when we were in college down in San Diego, their mozzarella sticks, fries, chicken plans, and shakes are heavenly.
 
2013-01-27 09:18:34 PM  

serpent_sky: Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's pizza, for fark's sake. If you don't have a decent, locally-owned place near your house then can you bring me back a penguin from Ice Station Zebra?

These assholes just opened up in Stamford, across the street from a family-run place that has been there for like 30 years. And Stamford is a bit of a pizza town, too. It astonishes me that people actually go there. Every time I pass there, I just wish for them to close. Their presence pisses me off.


I think they only exist because most of the country has no idea what real pizza is.
 
2013-01-27 09:19:12 PM  
CSB, the G/F ordered a Papa John's pizza the other night. They farked up the order.

I told her.. But did she listen?!?!
 
2013-01-27 09:20:03 PM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: shiatty pizza from a shiatty person.


well that didnt take long...
 
2013-01-27 09:25:37 PM  

ladyfortuna: Sygonus: Never understood why corporate execs are stupid enough to make their companies the target of public flogging by making comments on hotbed political topics. Same thing with Chic-fil-A earlier this year.

Keep your mouth shut and lobby behind the scenes, but dragging your company into highly contentious political topics with public statements is the sign of an idiot.

Exactly. The only political stance my business will take is not associating with organizations (or other businesses) that support political positions I don't agree with, but I'm certainly not going to drag that out in public. Besides that, sometimes you just can't avoid it (like how I'm stuck with Walmart for local emergency office supplies). No need to make a big deal out of it.

Obviously it helps that I'm still just running a one woman operation, but if I were ever to hire employees I'd make that part of the conditions of working for me.


You sound hot.

/just sayin'
 
2013-01-27 09:27:39 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: El Dudereno: ciberido: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: shiatty pizza from a shiatty person.

I remember the first time I ever ate anything from Papa John's. I was on a ski trip with friends and in a town I had never been in before. When they said there were going to get pizza from Papa John's, I had no idea that it was a chain; I thought it was some local restaurant. I remember anticipating it would be good since local stuff general is. And then the disappointment when I took my first bite. I couldn't understand how a pizza joint making crap like that could stay in business when people could just get something from Domino's or Pizza Hut.

To this day it's a mystery to my why the chain has been successful. I suppose it's the same reason why Wonder Bread and Budweiser are popular in the USA. I guess most Americans like really, really bad food.

Americans generally like consistency. That's why places like papa John's, Olive Garden, Applebee's, and the like are so popular. No matter where you are, you know what you're getting - even if it sucks.

It's the fear of the unknown. This is why old conservatives keep these places in the black.

Hey, what's wrong with Applebee's? My roommates and I went there all the time when we were in college down in San Diego, their mozzarella sticks, fries, chicken plans, and shakes are heavenly.


To each his own, I guess.

But the point stands. These places thrive because they're the same everywhere.
 
2013-01-27 09:29:49 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: What pizza chain do I have left to eat at with a good conscience?


There are webpages and other resources where lists of the "good" and "bad" companies (from whichever point of view concerns you) can be found. For example the American Family Association "promotes conservative fundamentalist Christian values" (as Wikipedia puts it) and I know they maintain a list of "pro-Christian" and "anti-Christian" companies. That would be a good place to start, if you're looking for an easy guide.

If you're politically liberal, try the Southern Poverty Law center's website, or just take the AFA's guidelines and reverse them.
 
2013-01-27 09:31:32 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: If the actual owner or president of the Chinese restaurant personally went on record advocating anti-gay policies, publicly donated money to anti-gay causes, and formed organizations to fight gay rights groups, well, yea, I'd refuse to eat at that idiot's restaurant. Will I boycott a burger joint because the owner happens to be Christian but keeps his yap shut? Of course not.


So even though there's a 95% plus chance that the Buddhist or Muslim owner of a restaurant opposes gay marriage, you're going to give them your business anyway because you haven't actually heard them voicing their opinion in person? All you're doing then with your patronage is helping the restauranteur both support his family (who will grow up absorbing and disseminating his traditionalist views) and hire more immigrant workers to help in his kitchen from the same countries which share the traditionalist, anti- gay- marriage outlook. In other words, you're directly subsidizing anti- gay sentiment and claiming ignorance as an excuse... shame on you!
 
2013-01-27 09:31:57 PM  
Came here for the "Obamacare rulez, down with the rich!", leaving satisfied

Raising the price of good because of a government mandate that isn't even a tax is always a good thing for society. Speaking out against it is worse though. ...sigh.....
 
2013-01-27 09:37:13 PM  

udhq: Silly Jesus: If the person standing in the doorway of WalMart farting and waving all day wasn't working there, where would they be working? Or would they be 100% reliant on the government to support them?

Obtain more skills and attract an industry to your town that actually contributes something. If there wasn't a shiatty labor force available who has no other skills beyond having a pulse, WalMart couldn't pay what they do.

No, WalMart pays what they do because it is part of their overall cost strategy to use government assistance to defray labor costs. This is well-documented fact.

On top of that, when they invade a community, the first thing they do is run a program of about 60 days worth of extremely aggressive promotions in order to kill off as much local competition as possible. During these periods, new stores lose a staggering amount of money, but then, as a $300billion company, they can afford it.

Because of this promotions strategy, new WalMart store typically take more than 2 years to break even. This is about 3 times longer than a Target store (a Target store is also about 6 times more profitable than a WalMart store, with only 3% average higher prices on comparable items, FWIW.)


Silly free market.
 
2013-01-27 09:38:48 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: So even though there's a 95% plus chance that the Buddhist or Muslim owner of a restaurant opposes gay marriage, you're going to give them your business anyway because you haven't actually heard them voicing their opinion in person? All you're doing then with your patronage is helping the restauranteur both support his family (who will grow up absorbing and disseminating his traditionalist views) and hire more immigrant workers to help in his kitchen from the same countries which share the traditionalist, anti- gay- marriage outlook. In other words, you're directly subsidizing anti- gay sentiment and claiming ignorance as an excuse... shame on you!


I don't assume people are idiots until they open their mouths and demonstrate it.
 
2013-01-27 09:42:07 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: stiletto_the_wise: If the actual owner or president of the Chinese restaurant personally went on record advocating anti-gay policies, publicly donated money to anti-gay causes, and formed organizations to fight gay rights groups, well, yea, I'd refuse to eat at that idiot's restaurant. Will I boycott a burger joint because the owner happens to be Christian but keeps his yap shut? Of course not.

So even though there's a 95% plus chance that the Buddhist or Muslim owner of a restaurant opposes gay marriage, you're going to give them your business anyway because you haven't actually heard them voicing their opinion in person? All you're doing then with your patronage is helping the restauranteur both support his family (who will grow up absorbing and disseminating his traditionalist views) and hire more immigrant workers to help in his kitchen from the same countries which share the traditionalist, anti- gay- marriage outlook. In other words, you're directly subsidizing anti- gay sentiment and claiming ignorance as an excuse... shame on you!


Long as they stay quiet about their views and don't give the customers' money to groups that actively try to prevent homosexuals from being treated as humans and American citizens (hello, Chik-fil-A), I'll eat there. The minute you start mouthing off or the first time you give to hate groups, I'm gone. You can run a business perfectly fine without sticking your political or religious dick into it.
 
2013-01-27 09:46:16 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: EvilRacistNaziFascist: stiletto_the_wise: If the actual owner or president of the Chinese restaurant personally went on record advocating anti-gay policies, publicly donated money to anti-gay causes, and formed organizations to fight gay rights groups, well, yea, I'd refuse to eat at that idiot's restaurant. Will I boycott a burger joint because the owner happens to be Christian but keeps his yap shut? Of course not.

So even though there's a 95% plus chance that the Buddhist or Muslim owner of a restaurant opposes gay marriage, you're going to give them your business anyway because you haven't actually heard them voicing their opinion in person? All you're doing then with your patronage is helping the restauranteur both support his family (who will grow up absorbing and disseminating his traditionalist views) and hire more immigrant workers to help in his kitchen from the same countries which share the traditionalist, anti- gay- marriage outlook. In other words, you're directly subsidizing anti- gay sentiment and claiming ignorance as an excuse... shame on you!

Long as they stay quiet about their views and don't give the customers' money to groups that actively try to prevent homosexuals from being treated as humans and American citizens (hello, Chik-fil-A), I'll eat there. The minute you start mouthing off or the first time you give to hate groups, I'm gone. You can run a business perfectly fine without sticking your political or religious dick into it.


So as long as you are blissfully ignorant of their beliefs, you're cool with siphoning money through them to causes with which you vehemently disagree. At least you're principled.
 
2013-01-27 09:47:39 PM  
Papa John's PR flacks are trying to get paid by telling CEO John Schnatter's anti-Obamacare it is possible to get comments removed from the internet.

FTFY.
 
2013-01-27 09:56:53 PM  

Silly Jesus: So as long as you are blissfully ignorant of their beliefs, you're cool with siphoning money through them to causes with which you vehemently disagree. At least you're principled.


Who has time to do an hour-long interview of the owner of every business they visit? As long as they're not on CNN telling us all "Thanks for buying my Pizza, I'm using the money to stamp out gays", I'm not going to be bothered.
 
2013-01-27 09:57:43 PM  

DogBoyTheCat: So.... how's this? Please give me your opinions on this and why it would or wouldn't work:
Every U.S. Citizen over 18 gets 20 grand a year.... minors get 5 grand a year, payable to the parents or guardians... After that, EVERYBODY PAYS 10% tax on their income... the only allowable deductions are medical, charity, education and housing.
Can somebody give me a good, logical reason this won't work?


You're more than doubling (and that's assuming Social Security is being replaced by your $20k) the budget and you're reducing revenue by about 70%.
 
2013-01-27 10:14:03 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: It's worth noting that, regardless of what you or I might happen to believe, the vast majority of the world's religions (and consequently, the vast majority of the world's people) disapprove of homosexual behaviour, let alone homosexual marriage; so do you refuse to eat in Chinese restaurants because of the traditionalist viewpoints of the Dalai Lama, or in Persian restaurants because of the anti- gay sentiments of mainstream Islam? Or do you reserve your disapproval for Christian businesses alone?


That's a rather dumb strawman argument, but just to play along:

Inasmuch as I would boycott any restaurant because the owner was homophobic, I would (A) not just ASSUME that they were homophobic but only boycott those that went ON RECORD as such, and (B) worry a lot less about what the owner SAYS and a lot more about organizations the owner GAVE MONEY TO,

The Chik-Fil-A brouhaha, for example, was about donating profits to anti-gay groups, not about anything Cathy said.  Though some apologists enthusiastically try to misrepresent that little fact.
 
2013-01-27 10:59:42 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: stiletto_the_wise: Maybe you could learn to not be such an intolerant idiot and to accept that there exist political viewpoints other than your own?

Thank you for that life lesson, EvilRacistNaziFascist.

My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc. In other words, it's a reproach to those people who believe that there is no legitimate viewpoint other than their own, such as those nasty conformist twats who place their pizza orders based solely on the political opinions of the pizza chain's CEO.


So you're username is basically you acting like a whiny hipster and you're shocked when people called you a whiner?

I have no idea why that would be.
 
2013-01-27 11:01:36 PM  

Silly Jesus: I see places like WalMart and Papa Johns as subsidizing welfare, not the other way around.


Which makes sense because most of their workers still have to depend on welfare even though they have a job.
 
2013-01-27 11:05:27 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: stiletto_the_wise: If the actual owner or president of the Chinese restaurant personally went on record advocating anti-gay policies, publicly donated money to anti-gay causes, and formed organizations to fight gay rights groups, well, yea, I'd refuse to eat at that idiot's restaurant. Will I boycott a burger joint because the owner happens to be Christian but keeps his yap shut? Of course not.

So even though there's a 95% plus chance that the Buddhist or Muslim owner of a restaurant opposes gay marriage, you're going to give them your business anyway because you haven't actually heard them voicing their opinion in person? All you're doing then with your patronage is helping the restauranteur both support his family (who will grow up absorbing and disseminating his traditionalist views) and hire more immigrant workers to help in his kitchen from the same countries which share the traditionalist, anti- gay- marriage outlook. In other words, you're directly subsidizing anti- gay sentiment and claiming ignorance as an excuse... shame on you!


Wait, not 10 minutes ago you were calling people who patronized businesses based on values "nasty twats".

Oh, I get it, you're not one of those people who actually believes in things, you just like to listen to yourself complain in public.

Got it.
 
2013-01-27 11:34:21 PM  

KrispyKritter: Will never buy a pizza from a bobble head dooshbag millionaire. Thank God i live in beautiful New Jersey, where we are heavily blessed with fine hard working Italian people who make delicious food in restaurants and pizzerias.


I'm jealous. We have exactly one family owned pizza place close by and it is awesome. Unfortunately I love pizza and I can't keep eating the same stuff every night. It would be great to get some variety locally without the big three.

My favorite pizza is in Austin at Home Slice...3-4 hours away. We make the trip twice/year and I eat most of my meals there. My wife must love me. I even book a room within walking distance.
 
2013-01-27 11:34:58 PM  

RabidJade: Came here for the "Obamacare rulez, down with the rich!", leaving satisfied

Raising the price of good because of a government mandate that isn't even a tax is always a good thing for society. Speaking out against it is worse though. ...sigh.....


Well, since you just make up what you fantasize people who don't agree with you say, rather than listen to what other people actually say, I suppose you're satisfied a lot.
 
2013-01-28 12:37:35 AM  
Here's the bottom line. The majority of Republicans claim to be into Jesus.

Jesus was the worst/best kind of Socialist. He shared everything. He owned nothing. He told people to take care of the poor and the sick over and over and over. He denounced wealth a gazillion times. Then he went back to telling people to take care of the poor, the sick, the elderly, and the defenseless.

As far as I can tell, the GOP is not into one single thing Jesus ever said. They aren't the meek. They won't inherit the earth. They are happy to point the finger, but they are not without sin. They hate poor people, they love money and it would just about kill them to go back and meet Jesus in the Way Back Machine and hear what he actually said about rich, powerful types.

Please enlighten me. Why pretend to care when there is such a huge gap between what Jesus said and how they act? They've just about given Jesus the finger. If he were alive he'd have to sue them for wrongful use of his name.

Make the break. To thy own self be true. If you don't give a shiat about the poor, you can't use Jesus for a mascot. It just doesn't work.
 
2013-01-28 12:58:43 AM  
I've always hated "Papa's John".
 
2013-01-28 01:05:27 AM  

RabidJade: Came here for the "Obamacare rulez, down with the rich!", leaving satisfied

Raising the price of good because of a government mandate that isn't even a tax is always a good thing for society. Speaking out against it is worse though. ...sigh.....


Care to actually quote anyone who said that, or did you just come in to take a shiat and run away?
 
2013-01-28 03:11:13 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's pizza, for fark's sake. If you don't have a decent, locally-owned place near your house then can you bring me back a penguin from Ice Station Zebra?


My town doesn't have a non-giant-franchise pizza place. We also don't have a hobby shop (Hobby Lobby isn't a hobby shop), a lumber yard (Home Depot isn't a lumber yard), or an electronic parts/repair place (Radio Shack... etc.). I have to drive ~30 miles to one of the neighboring towns to buy specialty saws, maple, and transistors... or just order them online. Our population is over 100,000 and most of the neighboring towns are smaller. It's such a shiathole that South Park bothered to make fun of us.

/I live 60' from a Papa Johns
//One of the delivery guys used to drive a Porsche 928
////CSB
 
2013-01-28 04:02:50 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
A7
2013-01-28 04:26:59 AM  
How about we just kick "obama Care" to the curb?
It's the 'right thing to do....'
 
2013-01-28 05:37:09 AM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: stiletto_the_wise: Maybe you could learn to not be such an intolerant idiot and to accept that there exist political viewpoints other than your own?

Thank you for that life lesson, EvilRacistNaziFascist.

My username is ironic, as I seem to have to explain to the clueless in almost every thread: it's aimed at those all- too- common ignoramuses on Fark who try to claim that everyone who disagrees with them is a "racist", "Nazi", "fascist", etc. In other words, it's a reproach to those people who believe that there is no legitimate viewpoint other than their own, such as those nasty conformist twats who place their pizza orders based solely on the political opinions of the pizza chain's CEO.


If you waited to explain your username to everyone until someone actually asked you, you'd probably have a lot more free time.
 
2013-01-28 08:15:53 AM  

LookForTheArrow: [i.imgur.com image 300x225]

reposted for THISiness it deserves.


Isn't that the guy who signed the executive order to clip the wings of Americans of Japanese descent by imprisoning them without cause during WWII?
 
2013-01-28 08:39:22 AM  
I don't know about papa john's, nor do I know about the business prodigies here in this thread. I supported the ACA (and still do, I guess), and in return, because I purchase my insurance individually, I have been rewarded by my premiums going up 45% next year. Yay.
 
2013-01-28 09:08:53 AM  
So Papa John's says that they estimate implementing the requirements of Obamacare will result in a COST to them of 11 cents per pizza. Sensationalist news organizations misquote the CNN article and claim an increase in the PRICE of pizza. Papa John's PR ask them to remove their erroneous articles.

I need a little help targeting my outrage. What should I write on my Papa John's protest signs again?
 
2013-01-28 09:19:15 AM  

Belias: So Papa John's says that they estimate implementing the requirements of Obamacare will result in a COST to them of 11 cents per pizza. Sensationalist news organizations misquote the CNN article and claim an increase in the PRICE of pizza. Papa John's PR ask them to remove their erroneous articles.

I need a little help targeting my outrage. What should I write on my Papa John's protest signs again?


That's not what the article says at all. It basically says it will cost 11 cents a pie...and PJ's can easily absorb it. What's your beef?
 
2013-01-28 09:22:09 AM  
The majority is not poltically engaged enough to realize one way or the other about the comments he made. That is the biggest reason we are in the mess we are in now. Let the monkey fly the plane, he's cool.
 
2013-01-28 12:31:17 PM  

Sygonus: Never understood why corporate execs are stupid enough to make their companies the target of public flogging by making comments on hotbed political topics. Same thing with Chic-fil-A earlier this year.

Keep your mouth shut and lobby behind the scenes, but dragging your company into highly contentious political topics with public statements is the sign of an idiot.


Frikkin' ABSOLUTELY. In fact, you could expand that beyond just corporate execs. I play with a musical group locally, and while waiting for our slot one Saturday afternoon at a local venue the guys playing were finishing their last set. These guys were making *major* political statements.....CONSTANTLY. And they kept doing it...over and over. They thought they were being cool and witty....they were being STUPID.

Pissing off half of your audience isn't really the best thing to do, y'know.
 
2013-01-28 02:57:41 PM  

LtDarkstar: I actually agree with Papa John's on this


You agree with a proven lie? That's an odd thing to admit on the internet.
 
2013-01-28 03:19:46 PM  

DeathCipris: I stopped buying Papa John's pizza part because their pizza sucks and their comments about the situation. He is a greedy fark and I am not going to support a business like that. There are several businesses in my area I do not patron because of their shiatball attitude or because of previous indiscretions.
Hope you like a nothing you dumb fark.


I'm with you. I'm not delusional in thinking that losing my dollars will bankrupt the company, but my wallet is the only way I have to vote. If enough people take the same stance as me, the cumulative impact will prompt change.
 
2013-01-28 06:41:16 PM  
Why are CEOs so stupid? Is it nepotism?
 
2013-01-28 06:59:48 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Silly Jesus: I see places like WalMart and Papa Johns as subsidizing welfare, not the other way around.

Which makes sense because most of their workers still have to depend on welfare even though they have a job.


They would otherwise be depending 100% on welfare. They are at the last rung before being a total ward of the state. Walmart lets them stand in their doorway and wave and fart and throws some money at them. It's like charity.
 
2013-01-28 07:39:27 PM  
So when you run a business that provides food, it's not a good idea to make public that the people handling said food have no health insurance. Who knew?
 
2013-01-29 08:32:25 AM  

Silly Jesus: Mrtraveler01: Silly Jesus: I see places like WalMart and Papa Johns as subsidizing welfare, not the other way around.

Which makes sense because most of their workers still have to depend on welfare even though they have a job.

They would otherwise be depending 100% on welfare. They are at the last rung before being a total ward of the state. Walmart lets them stand in their doorway and wave and fart and throws some money at them. It's like charity.


Uh...its not charity, you moron. It's the state subsidizing Wal-Mart's work force. Jeesh, what are you a paid shill or something? As Anti-ANYTHING that helps poor people in any way, you should be foaming at the mouth at the way Wal Mart is using the state to keep their employees alive because they dont pay enough for it on their own.
 
2013-01-29 07:37:13 PM  

Madbassist1: Silly Jesus: Mrtraveler01: Silly Jesus: I see places like WalMart and Papa Johns as subsidizing welfare, not the other way around.

Which makes sense because most of their workers still have to depend on welfare even though they have a job.

They would otherwise be depending 100% on welfare. They are at the last rung before being a total ward of the state. Walmart lets them stand in their doorway and wave and fart and throws some money at them. It's like charity.

Uh...its not charity, you moron. It's the state subsidizing Wal-Mart's work force. Jeesh, what are you a paid shill or something? As Anti-ANYTHING that helps poor people in any way, you should be foaming at the mouth at the way Wal Mart is using the state to keep their employees alive because they dont pay enough for it on their own.


You have it backwards. This isn't hard...
 
2013-01-30 08:11:03 AM  
Silly Jesus:
You have it backwards. This isn't hard...

So corporations accepting government handouts = Good.
Private citizens accepting handouts = OMG SOCIALIZM!!!

Yeah, I get it, trollbait,
 
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