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Slaxl		2013-01-27 05:16:22 PM

Why is the UN approving codec stuff? Shouldn't they all be off trying to subvert American democra.... oops, I've said too much.

Really though, why UN? Just let the internet decide what it likes.

Because People in power are Stupid		2013-01-27 05:19:10 PM

BumpInTheNight		2013-01-27 05:35:55 PM

Neat but I'm not going to go through another round of ripping/transcoding my discs to shave a few TB off the storage needs, for new stuff this'll be great though. And all those little hardware devices currently being sold to watch things on or from the internet? Obsolete, all of them, bwahahahaha.

/yah I know the better ones can just update their software
//you hope!

fusillade762		2013-01-27 05:55:20 PM

This is great news... for porn.

gameshowhost		2013-01-27 06:39:47 PM

fusillade762: This is great news... for porn.

I WAS GOING TO ... oh, hell. Congrats on beating me to the punch.

gameshowhost		2013-01-27 06:42:30 PM

But seriously - given the same display and same bandwidth, that much more A/V info?... I'll take that fidelity.

Phaeon		2013-01-27 06:59:26 PM

gameshowhost: fusillade762: This is great news... for porn.

I WAS GOING TO ... oh, hell. Congrats on beating me to the punch.

Oh....there will be.....beating.....

I had something better for this...

andrewagill		2013-01-27 07:07:39 PM

Phaeon: gameshowhost: fusillade762: This is great news... for porn.

I WAS GOING TO ... oh, hell. Congrats on beating me to the punch.

Oh....there will be.....beating.....

Will there be frog stomping?

Seriously, though, anyone know if this one's going to be more like the difference between MPEG-2 and MPEG-3 (which blew chunks) or more like the difference between MPEG-3 and H.264?

utah dude		2013-01-27 07:08:50 PM

i get off on codecs. this is cool.

andrewagill		2013-01-27 07:11:11 PM

andrewagill: Phaeon: gameshowhost: fusillade762: This is great news... for porn.

I WAS GOING TO ... oh, hell. Congrats on beating me to the punch.

Oh....there will be.....beating.....

Will there be frog stomping?

Seriously, though, anyone know if this one's going to be more like the difference between MPEG-2 and MPEG-3 (which blew chunks) or more like the difference between MPEG-3 and H.264?

Or was it MPEG-4 Part 2 that blew chunks? It was the one that was in the old DivX compression. Lots of artefacts.

Epicanis		2013-01-27 07:19:03 PM

VP9/Opus FTW!

DarthBart		2013-01-27 07:23:13 PM

Oh great. Another codec of the week for the torrent basement jockeys to use. Download a file and roll th dice to see what combination of avi, mp4, xvid, divx, mkv, ogg, or other acronym they're using this month.

And yes I know some of those are containers rather than codecs.

linemanbear		2013-01-27 07:23:51 PM

Does this mean I can drop to a cheaper data plan on my phone?

Dinjiin		2013-01-27 07:24:07 PM

BumpInTheNight: And all those little hardware devices currently being sold to watch things on or from the internet?

This is why I use a PC as my HTPC. Just need to upgrade to a new version of XMBC or MPC when H.265 becomes common.

On the non-PC front, I hope that we'll get a new version of ATSC here in North America that uses H.265 soon. I'm tired of the fact that Brazil has had a better TV format than the US for the majority of the past 40 years (first PAL-M vs. NTSC-M, then ISDB-Tb vs. ATSC). Oh, and include 64QAM/4PSK-COFDM in addition to 8VSB for low power intra-city SFN repeaters where multipath is a huge issue. Or fark, go for broke and bump up to 16VSB and 256QAM for OTA.

YodaBlues		2013-01-27 07:26:50 PM

DarthBart: Oh great. Another codec of the week for the torrent basement jockeys to use. Download a file and roll th dice to see what combination of avi, mp4, xvid, divx, mkv, ogg, or other acronym they're using this month.

And yes I know some of those are containers rather than codecs.

images.videolan.org

Doesn't see a problem.

imfallen_angel		2013-01-27 07:27:41 PM

just make it good, and make it universal... I'm so sick of the 10,000 variants of each codecs

The Man Who Laughs		2013-01-27 07:31:39 PM

imfallen_angel		2013-01-27 07:34:36 PM

BumpInTheNight: Neat but I'm not going to go through another round of ripping/transcoding my discs to shave a few TB off the storage needs, for new stuff this'll be great though. And all those little hardware devices currently being sold to watch things on or from the internet? Obsolete, all of them, bwahahahaha.

/yah I know the better ones can just update their software
//you hope!

Funny thing.... One of friends I obsessed with players, buying one after another year after year... I keep telling him to just get a computer, but his reasons: 1) no money... He doesn't get that he's already spent 3 times that amount. 2) too big, like to carry it around for when he goes visit family... Doesn't get that he could just get a tablet or similar with a video output, plus that he barely does this anyways, or that if he's visiting family, maybe watching 5TB of videos shouldn't be a priority?

So yeah, hate to be mean, but I hope so ...

Tellingthem		2013-01-27 07:41:05 PM

DarthBart		2013-01-27 07:43:27 PM

YodaBlues: DarthBart: Oh great. Another codec of the week for the torrent basement jockeys to use. Download a file and roll th dice to see what combination of avi, mp4, xvid, divx, mkv, ogg, or other acronym they're using this month.

And yes I know some of those are containers rather than codecs.

Doesn't see a problem.

If I wanted to watch them on my PC, sure. I watch things via my ps3 and it is very picky about codecs and containers. The dlna server I use has support for on-the-fly transcoding but the server it runs on isn't fast enough for it.

SanjiSasuke		2013-01-27 07:50:14 PM

Dinjiin: BumpInTheNight: And all those little hardware devices currently being sold to watch things on or from the internet?

This is why I use a PC as my HTPC. Just need to upgrade to a new version of ~~XMBC~~ XBMC or MPC when H.265 becomes common.

On the non-PC front, I hope that we'll get a new version of ATSC here in North America that uses H.265 soon. I'm tired of the fact that Brazil has had a better TV format than the US for the majority of the past 40 years (first PAL-M vs. NTSC-M, then ISDB-Tb vs. ATSC). Oh, and include 64QAM/4PSK-COFDM in addition to 8VSB for low power intra-city SFN repeaters where multipath is a huge issue. Or fark, go for broke and bump up to 16VSB and 256QAM for OTA.

FTFY
XBMC is awesome. Movie Quiz on it is too, needs multiplayer.

DarthBart		2013-01-27 07:57:00 PM

The Man Who Laughs: DarthBart: Oh great. Another codec of the week for the torrent basement jockeys to use. Download a file and roll th dice to see what combination of avi, mp4, xvid, divx, mkv, ogg, or other acronym they're using this month.

And yes I know some of those are containers rather than codecs.

If you want a specific format, you can just include it in the search term since all the codecs used are included in the release name.

Normally I do, but sometimes what I'm looking for isn't in a codec that my ps3 likes. And a couple of times as of late, I've grabbed collections of something and it was a mix of file formats.

GWSuperfan		2013-01-27 07:58:32 PM

YodaBlues: Doesn't see a problem.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

/No problem at all.

Wise_Guy		2013-01-27 08:03:14 PM

BumpInTheNight		2013-01-27 08:04:16 PM

Dinjiin: BumpInTheNight: And all those little hardware devices currently being sold to watch things on or from the internet?

This is why I use a PC as my HTPC. Just need to upgrade to a new version of XMBC or MPC when H.265 becomes common.

On the non-PC front, I hope that we'll get a new version of ATSC here in North America that uses H.265 soon. I'm tired of the fact that Brazil has had a better TV format than the US for the majority of the past 40 years (first PAL-M vs. NTSC-M, then ISDB-Tb vs. ATSC). Oh, and include 64QAM/4PSK-COFDM in addition to 8VSB for low power intra-city SFN repeaters where multipath is a huge issue. Or fark, go for broke and bump up to 16VSB and 256QAM for OTA.

I uh, recognized about 1/10th of the words in your post :P But I agree I've been using my retired gaming PCs as media boxes for my TVs for a while now. Typically though I'll dump the heavy-lifter hot gamer card for something like a fanless GT520 that's got all the essentials for video playback without the gigantic overhead of the gaming grade hardware.

Old enough to know better		2013-01-27 08:04:40 PM

YodaBlues:

And yes I know some of those are containers rather than codecs.

[images.videolan.org image 300x300]
Doesn't see a problem.

^^^^^^^^^ Came here for this. That biatch will play everything.

MrEricSir		2013-01-27 08:07:20 PM

Slaxl: Why is the UN approving codec stuff? Shouldn't they all be off trying to subvert American democra.... oops, I've said too much.

The UN is actually part of a reality show on another planet, and they needed a better format to stream hilarious videos of UN agents seizing private land, guns, and gasoline away from American citizens.

t3knomanser		2013-01-27 08:07:39 PM

GWSuperfan: YodaBlues: Doesn't see a problem.

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 260x194]
/No problem at all.

That's funny, since Perian died last year and told everybody to use VLC or MPlayer.

DarthBart: I watch things via my ps3 and it is very picky about codecs and containers.

You can't just stream it from your PC to your PS3? I don't have a PS3, but I do have a little gadget that just mirrors my laptop screen, wirelessly, so I can stream anything over there, including Civ5.

//If framerates matter, I break out the 15' HDMI cable

BumpInTheNight		2013-01-27 08:08:31 PM

DarthBart: YodaBlues: DarthBart: Oh great. Another codec of the week for the torrent basement jockeys to use. Download a file and roll th dice to see what combination of avi, mp4, xvid, divx, mkv, ogg, or other acronym they're using this month.

And yes I know some of those are containers rather than codecs.

Doesn't see a problem.

If I wanted to watch them on my PC, sure. I watch things via my ps3 and it is very picky about codecs and containers. The dlna server I use has support for on-the-fly transcoding but the server it runs on isn't fast enough for it.

This is why I kicked my PS3 outta the role and devoted a genuine PC to the task. Between XBMC, VLC player and Firefox you can play pretty much anything from any where, oh and reducing the world by one more Sony product in active use so you know you can sleep better at night too.

ChrisDe		2013-01-27 08:09:07 PM

Now can we get the U.N. to ban Windows 8?

lordargent		2013-01-27 08:10:45 PM

YodaBlues : Doesn't see a problem.

Me either

trac.handbrake.fr

theurge14		2013-01-27 08:17:17 PM

ZAZ		2013-01-27 08:19:16 PM

Soon we learn who owns the patent on adding 1 to the previous standard number to come up with a new stanard,

D_Evans45		2013-01-27 08:21:43 PM

So does this format have full HD quality, at half the current file size? I dont like new codec nonsense either, but if it only uses half the size to for existing quality, seems like a pretty good deal.

Also, does it run on Xbox without file conversion? Just renaming your files as .avi only works half the time it seems.

/Hey you Durango/720 bastards, your grand media vision sucks without a polished (and tabbed) browser, and will suck even harder if you cant include comprehensive codec support this time around

fluffy2097		2013-01-27 08:30:39 PM

It can always take half the current bandwidth.

Can it do so and reproduce the same image quality is the question.

Mister Peejay		2013-01-27 08:34:24 PM

gameshowhost: But seriously - given the same display and same bandwidth, that much more A/V info?... I'll take that fidelity.

I can barely stream from Hulu because my best download speeds are right about the minimum required. And they farked around with their player so I can't just let most of the video load for a while and then start watching it, they seem to have a rolling 20 second.... buffer of video in an attempt to prevent people from down...loading the videos.

Mister Peejay		2013-01-27 08:39:06 PM

Old enough to know better: YodaBlues:

And yes I know some of those are containers rather than codecs.

[images.videolan.org image 300x300]
Doesn't see a problem.

^^^^^^^^^ Came here for this. That biatch will play everything.

It's like, if Red Hot was blood type O (put that stuff on everything), then VLC is blood type AB.

Plus, it's the only media player that I was ever pleased with the playlist setup.

moothemagiccow		2013-01-27 08:40:24 PM

great now none of my shiat will work

UsikFark		2013-01-27 09:18:36 PM

moothemagiccow: great now none of my shiat will work

I think it's mostly a software thing, however I wouldn't be surprised if chip makers optimize their hardware for the decoding/encoding process. This is called an Application-specific integrated circuit, and Intel's "Quick Sync Video," which supports H.262 and H.264. I don't think this comes into effect when you are watching a DVD, just when you are converting it to another format.

UsikFark		2013-01-27 09:22:54 PM

UsikFark: moothemagiccow: great now none of my shiat will work

I think it's mostly a software thing, however I wouldn't be surprised if chip makers optimize their hardware for the decoding/encoding process. This is called an Application-specific integrated circuit, and Intel's "Quick Sync Video," which supports H.262 and H.264. I don't think this comes into effect when you are watching a DVD, just when you are converting it to another format.

To clarify, intel's quick sync technology is an example of an ASIC. I dropped a couple words. It's like an integrated coprocessor... I'm talking about the 686 prototypes, with the artificial intelligence RISC chip.

tgambitg		2013-01-27 09:23:18 PM

Now if only we could fix this:

d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net

tgambitg		2013-01-27 09:24:20 PM

UsikFark: I'm talking about the 686 prototypes, with the artificial intelligence RISC chip.

Say what now?

www.cnet.com

YodaBlues		2013-01-27 09:25:26 PM

DarthBart: YodaBlues: DarthBart: Oh great. Another codec of the week for the torrent basement jockeys to use. Download a file and roll th dice to see what combination of avi, mp4, xvid, divx, mkv, ogg, or other acronym they're using this month.

And yes I know some of those are containers rather than codecs.

Doesn't see a problem.

If I wanted to watch them on my PC, sure. I watch things via my ps3 and it is very picky about codecs and containers. The dlna server I use has support for on-the-fly transcoding but the server it runs on isn't fast enough for it.

That's why I gave up on using an extender device like the PS3/Xbox or WD Live for streaming/watching downloaded videos. Either the codecs I was downloading were unsupported or the interface was a biatch to quickly navigate or I'd get audio/video sync problems etc etc. Last time I upgraded my gaming rig, just held onto my old hardware and turned it into the media server for the house plugged directly into the my HDTV. It's kind of a waste in some ways, but I works without fail for everything I throw at it. If you have a laptop, it's even easier, just go from the DVI/HDMI out to the tv.

ramblinwreck		2013-01-27 09:27:13 PM

linemanbear: Does this mean I can drop to a cheaper data plan on my phone?

Data plan rates will probably double because of this update.

YodaBlues		2013-01-27 09:27:17 PM

tgambitg: Now if only we could fix this:

[d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net image 425x343]

OH FARKING GOD, THIS!!!

I have 25Mbps FiOS at home and it seems like every other damn YouTube video will not load.

YouTube is the RealPlayer of this generation.

UsikFark		2013-01-27 09:40:34 PM

YodaBlues: tgambitg: Now if only we could fix this:

[d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net image 425x343]

OH FARKING GOD, THIS!!!

I have 25Mbps FiOS at home and it seems like every other damn YouTube video will not load.

YouTube is the RealPlayer of this generation.

What kind of computer do you have? Also you can try youtube as HTML5, Link

inglixthemad		2013-01-27 09:55:11 PM

omeganuepsilon		2013-01-27 10:00:48 PM

x264 is what I've seen popularized as of late, not sure about a reduction of half that file size.

x264 is pretty damn nice, imo.

1000 Ways to Dye		2013-01-27 10:03:59 PM

Slaxl: Why is the UN approving codec stuff? Shouldn't they all be off trying to subvert American democra.... oops, I've said too much.

Really though, why UN? Just let the internet decide what it likes.

It isn't really about "use H.265 for websites," but more along the lines of "This is what H.265 actually is," so various parties have a standard to design for. Seeing as how it can be used for everything from broadcasting to video calling, The UN is a good place for this standard to come from. It's not the only place, but it is just as good as any.

YodaBlues		2013-01-27 10:08:09 PM

UsikFark: YodaBlues: tgambitg: Now if only we could fix this:

[d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net image 425x343]

OH FARKING GOD, THIS!!!

I have 25Mbps FiOS at home and it seems like every other damn YouTube video will not load.

YouTube is the RealPlayer of this generation.

What kind of computer do you have? Also you can try youtube as HTML5, Link

A good one. :-) I'm a software developer and a gamer, so my PC specs are good enough. YouTube buffer problems are pervasive regardless of whether I'm on my htpc or gaming/Dev rig, home network or at work, nexus 7 or phone. It's YouTube, not my computers.

Chrome is my main browser and I'm already using Html5, but it persists with flash as well. Trust me, I know how to test for these things, YouTube's streaming has gone down the shiatter the last few years.

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