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2013-01-28 12:04:12 AM  

ha-ha-guy: You see this stuff on I-94 or Telegraph Road in Michigan from time to time. Two guys, almost always shirtless, handcuffed and bent over the hood. Cops pulling out bales and bales of weed or packages of white powder. Another cop itemizing the weapons. Hundreds of thousands in drugs (plus guns) and the car in question is a rusting 1980s Cadillac with nonworking tailgates and all kinds of reasons to stop it. You just wonder why.

/I assume those who get caught like this are small time and the pros move it via other means


I think you might live by me.
 
2013-01-28 03:23:10 AM  

Nofun: Or, you know, we could just legalize pot.


Or, you know, we shouldn't.
 
2013-01-28 03:29:16 AM  

Hagenhatesyouall: And yet....................

I was once opposed to cannabis, however, some dude challenged me to find ONE death directly attributed to cannabis overdose.

Couldn't find one.

We need to stop treating "drugs" like a criminal problem and treat it like a medical problem. It's less expensive that way, more effective, and FAR more just.


You're adorable. Ever try living in the real world? Dopers are ruining my town, police won't do anything about it.
 
2013-01-28 06:32:44 AM  

Mister Peejay: Nofun: Or, you know, we could just legalize pot.

Alcohol is legal, but see how far you get if you get caught with ~12 gallons of moonshine.


True, but how often do you think someone tries to transport large quantities of moonshine across the country? I think his point was that if it were legalized we probably wouldn't be seeing people try to transport such large amounts. The vast majority of people would be more than happy to go through legitimate channels to obtain their goods.
 
2013-01-28 06:48:26 AM  

Rueened: Hagenhatesyouall: And yet....................

I was once opposed to cannabis, however, some dude challenged me to find ONE death directly attributed to cannabis overdose.

Couldn't find one.

We need to stop treating "drugs" like a criminal problem and treat it like a medical problem. It's less expensive that way, more effective, and FAR more just.

You're adorable. Ever try living in the real world? Dopers are ruining my town, police won't do anything about it.


So instead we should just keep doing what we've been doing for the last 50+ years, spending hundreds of millions of dollars every year fighting a war that cannot be won? At some point a rational country has to stop and wonder if perhaps the cure(which doesn't work) isn't in fact worse than the disease it's supposed to treat. All this time our country has been fighting it's war on drugs, and what do we have to show for it? After several decades and billions of dollars spent, marijuana is just as easy to get, if not easier, and that's in states where it's not legal for medicinal use even. I live in a state that has some of the most harsh laws against marijuana, second only to Texas by most accounts, and it's only ever a phone call away. And national usage rates have been largely unaffected.

So we've spent all this time and money trying to stop it, and what do we have to show for our efforts? It's easier to get than it ever was and usage rates haven't gone down. But no, let's not be rational and reexamine our approach to the issue. Let's just keep throwing money behind a punitive approach to what is, at it's core, a personal health issue.
 
2013-01-28 06:55:14 AM  

Neondistraction: Let's just keep throwing money


Yeah, you said it right here. Of course that's what we are going to do, because the people who are catching the money like it that way.
 
2013-01-28 07:55:48 AM  

Neondistraction: Rueened: Hagenhatesyouall: And yet....................

I was once opposed to cannabis, however, some dude challenged me to find ONE death directly attributed to cannabis overdose.

Couldn't find one.

We need to stop treating "drugs" like a criminal problem and treat it like a medical problem. It's less expensive that way, more effective, and FAR more just.

You're adorable. Ever try living in the real world? Dopers are ruining my town, police won't do anything about it.

So instead we should just keep doing what we've been doing for the last 50+ years, spending hundreds of millions of dollars every year fighting a war that cannot be won? At some point a rational country has to stop and wonder if perhaps the cure(which doesn't work) isn't in fact worse than the disease it's supposed to treat. All this time our country has been fighting it's war on drugs, and what do we have to show for it? After several decades and billions of dollars spent, marijuana is just as easy to get, if not easier, and that's in states where it's not legal for medicinal use even. I live in a state that has some of the most harsh laws against marijuana, second only to Texas by most accounts, and it's only ever a phone call away. And national usage rates have been largely unaffected.

So we've spent all this time and money trying to stop it, and what do we have to show for our efforts? It's easier to get than it ever was and usage rates haven't gone down. But no, let's not be rational and reexamine our approach to the issue. Let's just keep throwing money behind a punitive approach to what is, at it's core, a personal health issue.


Can't be bothered enforcing the law? Just abandon it.
 
2013-01-28 08:39:27 AM  

nburghmatt: ha-ha-guy: /I assume those who get caught like this are small time and the pros move it via other means

it's common for the big guys to hire addicts(who don't always make the best decisions) as mules, because it's cheaper to pay them in drugs.


There's a hotel around here that offers vagrants rooms in trade for shoddy carpentry and other maintenance work. Then he wonders why his paying guests fall through the floor or off the balcony and sue him.

Do it right the first time, idiots.
 
2013-01-28 12:04:47 PM  

zerostatik: 404 page not found: Hempstead.

Bwhahahahahahahaha!

I saw this too and lol'd
but that could be the beer talking


Funny part is that Hempstead is one of the total drug-ridden ghettos around here.  Appropriate name indeed.
 
2013-01-28 12:32:05 PM  

Rueened: Neondistraction: Rueened: Hagenhatesyouall: And yet....................

I was once opposed to cannabis, however, some dude challenged me to find ONE death directly attributed to cannabis overdose.

Couldn't find one.

We need to stop treating "drugs" like a criminal problem and treat it like a medical problem. It's less expensive that way, more effective, and FAR more just.

You're adorable. Ever try living in the real world? Dopers are ruining my town, police won't do anything about it.

So instead we should just keep doing what we've been doing for the last 50+ years, spending hundreds of millions of dollars every year fighting a war that cannot be won? At some point a rational country has to stop and wonder if perhaps the cure(which doesn't work) isn't in fact worse than the disease it's supposed to treat. All this time our country has been fighting it's war on drugs, and what do we have to show for it? After several decades and billions of dollars spent, marijuana is just as easy to get, if not easier, and that's in states where it's not legal for medicinal use even. I live in a state that has some of the most harsh laws against marijuana, second only to Texas by most accounts, and it's only ever a phone call away. And national usage rates have been largely unaffected.

So we've spent all this time and money trying to stop it, and what do we have to show for our efforts? It's easier to get than it ever was and usage rates haven't gone down. But no, let's not be rational and reexamine our approach to the issue. Let's just keep throwing money behind a punitive approach to what is, at it's core, a personal health issue.

Can't be bothered enforcing the law? Just abandon it.


Yes, exactly. Just like we did with the end of prohibition. Society really fell apart after that, didn't it?
 
2013-01-28 12:50:56 PM  

Neondistraction: Rueened: Neondistraction: Rueened: Hagenhatesyouall: And yet....................

I was once opposed to cannabis, however, some dude challenged me to find ONE death directly attributed to cannabis overdose.

Couldn't find one.

We need to stop treating "drugs" like a criminal problem and treat it like a medical problem. It's less expensive that way, more effective, and FAR more just.

You're adorable. Ever try living in the real world? Dopers are ruining my town, police won't do anything about it.

So instead we should just keep doing what we've been doing for the last 50+ years, spending hundreds of millions of dollars every year fighting a war that cannot be won? At some point a rational country has to stop and wonder if perhaps the cure(which doesn't work) isn't in fact worse than the disease it's supposed to treat. All this time our country has been fighting it's war on drugs, and what do we have to show for it? After several decades and billions of dollars spent, marijuana is just as easy to get, if not easier, and that's in states where it's not legal for medicinal use even. I live in a state that has some of the most harsh laws against marijuana, second only to Texas by most accounts, and it's only ever a phone call away. And national usage rates have been largely unaffected.

So we've spent all this time and money trying to stop it, and what do we have to show for our efforts? It's easier to get than it ever was and usage rates haven't gone down. But no, let's not be rational and reexamine our approach to the issue. Let's just keep throwing money behind a punitive approach to what is, at it's core, a personal health issue.

Can't be bothered enforcing the law? Just abandon it.

Yes, exactly. Just like we did with the end of prohibition. Society really fell apart after that, didn't it?


So what you're saying is that you can't see the difference between alcohol and dope?
 
2013-01-28 01:12:16 PM  

Rueened: Neondistraction: Rueened: Neondistraction: Rueened: Hagenhatesyouall: And yet....................

I was once opposed to cannabis, however, some dude challenged me to find ONE death directly attributed to cannabis overdose.

Couldn't find one.

We need to stop treating "drugs" like a criminal problem and treat it like a medical problem. It's less expensive that way, more effective, and FAR more just.

You're adorable. Ever try living in the real world? Dopers are ruining my town, police won't do anything about it.

So instead we should just keep doing what we've been doing for the last 50+ years, spending hundreds of millions of dollars every year fighting a war that cannot be won? At some point a rational country has to stop and wonder if perhaps the cure(which doesn't work) isn't in fact worse than the disease it's supposed to treat. All this time our country has been fighting it's war on drugs, and what do we have to show for it? After several decades and billions of dollars spent, marijuana is just as easy to get, if not easier, and that's in states where it's not legal for medicinal use even. I live in a state that has some of the most harsh laws against marijuana, second only to Texas by most accounts, and it's only ever a phone call away. And national usage rates have been largely unaffected.

So we've spent all this time and money trying to stop it, and what do we have to show for our efforts? It's easier to get than it ever was and usage rates haven't gone down. But no, let's not be rational and reexamine our approach to the issue. Let's just keep throwing money behind a punitive approach to what is, at it's core, a personal health issue.

Can't be bothered enforcing the law? Just abandon it.

Yes, exactly. Just like we did with the end of prohibition. Society really fell apart after that, didn't it?

So what you're saying is that you can't see the difference between alcohol and dope?

One is physically addictive and the other isn't?
 
2013-01-28 01:24:34 PM  

Keeve: Rueened: Neondistraction: Rueened: Neondistraction: Rueened: Hagenhatesyouall: And yet....................

I was once opposed to cannabis, however, some dude challenged me to find ONE death directly attributed to cannabis overdose.

Couldn't find one.

We need to stop treating "drugs" like a criminal problem and treat it like a medical problem. It's less expensive that way, more effective, and FAR more just.

You're adorable. Ever try living in the real world? Dopers are ruining my town, police won't do anything about it.

So instead we should just keep doing what we've been doing for the last 50+ years, spending hundreds of millions of dollars every year fighting a war that cannot be won? At some point a rational country has to stop and wonder if perhaps the cure(which doesn't work) isn't in fact worse than the disease it's supposed to treat. All this time our country has been fighting it's war on drugs, and what do we have to show for it? After several decades and billions of dollars spent, marijuana is just as easy to get, if not easier, and that's in states where it's not legal for medicinal use even. I live in a state that has some of the most harsh laws against marijuana, second only to Texas by most accounts, and it's only ever a phone call away. And national usage rates have been largely unaffected.

So we've spent all this time and money trying to stop it, and what do we have to show for our efforts? It's easier to get than it ever was and usage rates haven't gone down. But no, let's not be rational and reexamine our approach to the issue. Let's just keep throwing money behind a punitive approach to what is, at it's core, a personal health issue.

Can't be bothered enforcing the law? Just abandon it.

Yes, exactly. Just like we did with the end of prohibition. Society really fell apart after that, didn't it?

So what you're saying is that you can't see the difference between alcohol and dope?
One is physically addictive and the other isn't?


Ah, the old 'dope isn't addictive' line. I bet every single user could give it up just like that with no ill-effects.

So why don't they?
 
2013-01-28 05:53:03 PM  
This could very well be a case of giving some tweaker a shiatload of cheap ditchweed as a decoy; as the police are hauling a mother-load out of a fifteen year old Hyundai, across town the high-grade cheeb is rollin' away in a '10 Forester.
 
2013-01-28 08:20:04 PM  
I need to use it to self-medicate, so I do regular runs that are about 35 miles one way. When I'm coming back, you know I have my cruise control on at a very conservative speed (~ 5 mph over the limit). I make sure my lights are working, etc. I don't make my car be the reason I might be stopped (e.g. expired stickers). I don't touch my cellphone. I signal all lane changes. I am not high while driving and never smoke in my car.

I don't ever have enough to cause a huge fuss, anyway.
 
2013-01-28 08:30:50 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Hagbardr: [img849.imageshack.us image 575x431]

Also, attempt to have a passenger side door.

1974 Chrysler. Nice. (I guess it could be another mid-'70s year. Experts?)


'75-76 for sure, '74 is a maybe. I learned to drive in the winter in the wagon version of that. On bald tires.

/was also actively taught to learn how to slide a car because "it will happen, so be prepared"
/now drives an RX-7 on dirt because it's also way too much fun
 
2013-01-28 08:35:40 PM  

Neondistraction: True, but how often do you think someone tries to transport large quantities of moonshine across the country? I think his point was that if it were legalized we probably wouldn't be seeing people try to transport such large amounts. The vast majority of people would be more than happy to go through legitimate channels to obtain their goods.


Good point. One of my failings that I keep trying to overcome is my stubborn literal-mindedness, instead of trying for the big picture.

OTOH, it's also illegal to transport more than two packs of cigarettes across state lines, at least around here. They mark them with different colored tax stamps. I've not seen this on alcoholic beverages, but I did feel sheepish about taking Ohio-bought beer with me on a trip to Tulsa in 2011.
 
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