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(Deadspin)   If I were to tell you an ex-NFL player was on trial accused of being a serial killer, what team would you guess he played for?   (deadspin.com) divider line 74
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2013-01-27 04:53:13 PM  
The Cubs?
 
2013-01-27 04:56:17 PM  
Does it strike anyone else as weird that they called it "washing out" after a 7 year career? If I hear "washing out", I figure it means they never played in a real game.
 
2013-01-27 04:58:09 PM  
Ray Lewis doesn't retire until next week, subby.

/DNRTFA
//GO RAVENS
 
2013-01-27 05:05:25 PM  
Not gay. NOT GAY!
 
2013-01-27 07:28:25 PM  
Colorado Buffs?
 
2013-01-27 07:38:02 PM  
Raiders
 
2013-01-27 07:39:30 PM  
HA!

/hadn't clicked the link yet
 
2013-01-27 07:44:36 PM  
Todd Marinovich killed a bunch of beers, pills and blow. Does that count?
 
2013-01-27 07:44:39 PM  
I thought Yawheh ben Yawheh cult member Robert Rozier was the NFL's first serial killer?
 
2013-01-27 08:18:29 PM  
Too easy.
 
2013-01-27 08:21:28 PM  
the pats?
 
2013-01-27 08:22:41 PM  
Ray Lewis won't be an ex-NFL players until next week.
 
2013-01-27 08:27:29 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Ray Lewis doesn't retire until next week, subby.

/DNRTFA
//GO RAVENS


WTF Indeed: Ray Lewis won't be an ex-NFL players until next week.


Hey did anyone mention Ray Lewis was accused of being a murderer?
/I know, lighten up Francis
//Lightening like the blood stains on a white suit
///A white suit that doesn't exist
 
2013-01-27 08:35:08 PM  
A killer is what you want on defense. You don't want guys who get DUI's or drug charges, you want someone who is going to take the life out of the other team's quarterback.

Warren Sapp's nickname is QB Killa for a reason.
 
2013-01-27 08:44:14 PM  
I was sure it was going to be the Ravens for some weird reason, but then I made a bargain with myself and told the police it was the Raiders instead.
 
2013-01-27 08:45:21 PM  
Back to work, Bengals, you're slipping
 
2013-01-27 08:47:57 PM  

zerkalo: Back to work, Bengals, you're slipping


Bengals were my first guess too. The Raiders Defense only kills themselves in the 4th Quarter.
 
2013-01-27 08:48:10 PM  
Hey, this is funny! Did you guys know that one time like ten years ago Ray Lewis was at this party where some guy got shot? So he's totally a murderer, everyone!
 
2013-01-27 08:48:48 PM  
Al Davis needed a steady supply of human blood to stay alive as long as he did.
 
2013-01-27 08:51:47 PM  

Tommy Moo: Hey, this is funny! Did you guys know that one time like ten years ago Ray Lewis was at this party where some guy got shot? So he's totally a murderer, everyone!


Damn, so he had that party, plus the other party where he was charged with murder after two guys got stabbed to death and he had to throw his suit in a dumpster because it got bloodied up being an accessory after the fact, and ultimately plead to perjury, in an incident that ruined the Buckhead area? I wanna party with that guy!
 
2013-01-27 08:53:53 PM  
The Oilers.
 
2013-01-27 09:32:38 PM  
A few things I noticed...

One, now that you are a killer, we always use your middle name... "Anthony Wayne Smith"  (I understand that they do that to differentiate you from other people with the killers first & last name, especially with a name like Smith, but, heck, I'll bet there are quite a few "Anthony Wayne Smith"s as well).

Two... they haven't given a motive on the other 3 killings that I saw in the articles I looked up, and the one they did was a "business deal gone wrong" (ie, I am guessing drugs).  So, if the others are similar... that to me isn't a "serial killer"... at least in my definition of it... if that was the case, half the mafia would be called "serial killers".  I generally think of the term "serial killer" as someone who picks somewhat random targets that they don't have any relationship to otherwise.   My guess in all of these cases is that he knew the people before hand and these were "business killings".
 
2013-01-27 10:07:24 PM  

you are a puppet: Tommy Moo: Hey, this is funny! Did you guys know that one time like ten years ago Ray Lewis was at this party where some guy got shot? So he's totally a murderer, everyone!

Damn, so he had that party, plus the other party where he was charged with murder after two guys got stabbed to death and he had to throw his suit in a dumpster because it got bloodied up being an accessory after the fact, and ultimately plead to perjury, in an incident that ruined the Buckhead area? I wanna party with that guy!


He plead to obstruction of justice, and if you'd read the actual facts of the case, you'd see that there's no way in hell he should have ever been charged.  Nevermind that his two friends who were also charged with murder were acquitted after very short jury deliberations found that they'd acted in self defense.
 
2013-01-27 10:10:16 PM  
As a bonus, he was once married to Vanity
 
2013-01-27 10:10:19 PM  
There is also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rae_Carruth
 
2013-01-27 10:12:05 PM  
The Charlestown Chiefs?
Oh, I thought you said hockey.

www.founditemclothing.com
 
2013-01-27 10:21:54 PM  
The Bengals?
 
2013-01-27 10:33:48 PM  

zerkalo: Back to work, Bengals, you're slipping


Tarl3k: The Bengals?


That was my guess too, but Raiders makes sense.

Just kill, baby!
 
2013-01-27 10:39:48 PM  

Banacek: There is also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rae_Carruth


Well, he was an awful player who couldn't kick the ball.
 
2013-01-27 10:50:42 PM  
I seriously thought Bengals first.
OOps.
 
2013-01-27 10:53:23 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: you are a puppet: Tommy Moo: Hey, this is funny! Did you guys know that one time like ten years ago Ray Lewis was at this party where some guy got shot? So he's totally a murderer, everyone!

Damn, so he had that party, plus the other party where he was charged with murder after two guys got stabbed to death and he had to throw his suit in a dumpster because it got bloodied up being an accessory after the fact, and ultimately plead to perjury, in an incident that ruined the Buckhead area? I wanna party with that guy!

He plead to obstruction of justice, and if you'd read the actual facts of the case, you'd see that there's no way in hell he should have ever been charged.  Nevermind that his two friends who were also charged with murder were acquitted after very short jury deliberations found that they'd acted in self defense.


I guess innocent people shouldn't throw their blood-stained suits away then?
 
2013-01-27 10:54:18 PM  
Detroit?
 
2013-01-27 11:10:02 PM  

you are a puppet: HideAndGoFarkYourself: you are a puppet: Tommy Moo: Hey, this is funny! Did you guys know that one time like ten years ago Ray Lewis was at this party where some guy got shot? So he's totally a murderer, everyone!

Damn, so he had that party, plus the other party where he was charged with murder after two guys got stabbed to death and he had to throw his suit in a dumpster because it got bloodied up being an accessory after the fact, and ultimately plead to perjury, in an incident that ruined the Buckhead area? I wanna party with that guy!

He plead to obstruction of justice, and if you'd read the actual facts of the case, you'd see that there's no way in hell he should have ever been charged.  Nevermind that his two friends who were also charged with murder were acquitted after very short jury deliberations found that they'd acted in self defense.

I guess innocent people shouldn't throw their blood-stained suits away then?


His throwing the suit away played absolutely zero part in any case against him.  His obstruction plea didn't have anything to do with the suit.  Nobody denied that he was involved in an altercation that night.  He and his friends were attacked, a champagne bottle was broken over a Lewis associate's head, and two people were stabbed in self defense after a gun was displayed.  Those are the facts as presented during the trial.

The state's "star" witness was the person who started the fight, and chased after the limo on foot shooting at it.

The case never should have gone to trial.  Even the former prosecutor's colleagues said he seemed out to make a name for himself and nail an NFL player.  Sounds an awful lot like the Duke Lacrosse Case.

Furthermore, it has been speculated that Lewis took the plea to save his NFL career.  He had less involvement in the altercation that night (as shown in the grand jury's presentment) and would have likely (about 99% probability) been acquitted as well.
 
2013-01-27 11:14:58 PM  

dletter: A few things I noticed...

One, now that you are a killer, we always use your middle name... "Anthony Wayne Smith"  (I understand that they do that to differentiate you from other people with the killers first & last name, especially with a name like Smith, but, heck, I'll bet there are quite a few "Anthony Wayne Smith"s as well).

Two... they haven't given a motive on the other 3 killings that I saw in the articles I looked up, and the one they did was a "business deal gone wrong" (ie, I am guessing drugs).  So, if the others are similar... that to me isn't a "serial killer"... at least in my definition of it... if that was the case, half the mafia would be called "serial killers".  I generally think of the term "serial killer" as someone who picks somewhat random targets that they don't have any relationship to otherwise.   My guess in all of these cases is that he knew the people before hand and these were "business killings".


I noticed lately the media does call mob hit men & gangbangers serial killers. Which I think is stupid the Mob/gangbangers are killing for business not pleasure in most cases.
 
2013-01-27 11:19:56 PM  
Don't be the Bengals. Don't be the Bengals. Don't be the Bengals. Don't be the Bengals.

*clicks*

HOORAY!!!!
 
2013-01-27 11:27:21 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: you are a puppet: HideAndGoFarkYourself: you are a puppet: Tommy Moo: Hey, this is funny! Did you guys know that one time like ten years ago Ray Lewis was at this party where some guy got shot? So he's totally a murderer, everyone!

Damn, so he had that party, plus the other party where he was charged with murder after two guys got stabbed to death and he had to throw his suit in a dumpster because it got bloodied up being an accessory after the fact, and ultimately plead to perjury, in an incident that ruined the Buckhead area? I wanna party with that guy!

He plead to obstruction of justice, and if you'd read the actual facts of the case, you'd see that there's no way in hell he should have ever been charged.  Nevermind that his two friends who were also charged with murder were acquitted after very short jury deliberations found that they'd acted in self defense.

I guess innocent people shouldn't throw their blood-stained suits away then?

His throwing the suit away played absolutely zero part in any case against him.  His obstruction plea didn't have anything to do with the suit.  Nobody denied that he was involved in an altercation that night.  He and his friends were attacked, a champagne bottle was broken over a Lewis associate's head, and two people were stabbed in self defense after a gun was displayed.  Those are the facts as presented during the trial.

The state's "star" witness was the person who started the fight, and chased after the limo on foot shooting at it.

The case never should have gone to trial.  Even the former prosecutor's colleagues said he seemed out to make a name for himself and nail an NFL player.  Sounds an awful lot like the Duke Lacrosse Case.

Furthermore, it has been speculated that Lewis took the plea to save his NFL career.  He had less involvement in the altercation that night (as shown in the grand jury's presentment) and would have likely (about 99% probability) been acquitted as well.


Meanwhile the reason he paid off the victims family's is because it was likely (I'm not going to just put in a bullshiat percentage here like you did) that he would've been found guilty in the civil suits where the probability is more likely than not rather than beyond a reasonable doubt.

In real life, throwing bloody clothes away after an incident like this doesn't scream "my friends just killed someone in self-defense, and I wasn't even there". And I quote LA Confidential "Why were you burning clothes in the backyard incinerator? The neighbor, said she, saw you, throwing clothes, in the backyard incinerator. It doesn't look good Ray." (the character's name was also named Ray, just a coincidence.)
 
2013-01-27 11:27:58 PM  
*families
 
2013-01-27 11:32:36 PM  

you are a puppet: HideAndGoFarkYourself: you are a puppet: HideAndGoFarkYourself: you are a puppet: Tommy Moo: Hey, this is funny! Did you guys know that one time like ten years ago Ray Lewis was at this party where some guy got shot? So he's totally a murderer, everyone!

Damn, so he had that party, plus the other party where he was charged with murder after two guys got stabbed to death and he had to throw his suit in a dumpster because it got bloodied up being an accessory after the fact, and ultimately plead to perjury, in an incident that ruined the Buckhead area? I wanna party with that guy!

He plead to obstruction of justice, and if you'd read the actual facts of the case, you'd see that there's no way in hell he should have ever been charged.  Nevermind that his two friends who were also charged with murder were acquitted after very short jury deliberations found that they'd acted in self defense.

I guess innocent people shouldn't throw their blood-stained suits away then?

His throwing the suit away played absolutely zero part in any case against him.  His obstruction plea didn't have anything to do with the suit.  Nobody denied that he was involved in an altercation that night.  He and his friends were attacked, a champagne bottle was broken over a Lewis associate's head, and two people were stabbed in self defense after a gun was displayed.  Those are the facts as presented during the trial.

The state's "star" witness was the person who started the fight, and chased after the limo on foot shooting at it.

The case never should have gone to trial.  Even the former prosecutor's colleagues said he seemed out to make a name for himself and nail an NFL player.  Sounds an awful lot like the Duke Lacrosse Case.

Furthermore, it has been speculated that Lewis took the plea to save his NFL career.  He had less involvement in the altercation that night (as shown in the grand jury's presentment) and would have likely (about 99% probability) been acquitted as well.

Meanwhile the r ...


People, even completely innocent ones, do ridiculous things all the time out of fear.  It's not unnatural.  Quoting a movie as a part of your argument shows just how little you've got to stand on.

Riiiiiiight, because fllthy rich people are never willing to part with a tiny fraction of their money to avoid the unlikely risk of losing millions of dollars and making a case go away via a NDA, right?  NONE of the fatcs presented in ANY of the trials associated with this case point to Lewis murdering ANYONE.  None of the facts presented in ANY of the trials in this associated with this case point to any unlawful killing at all, actually.  The other two were acquitted after they'd proved pretty convincingly that they'd acted in self defense.

You can be all butthurt that your narrative not being reality if you want, it doesn't change the facts.  Lewis did not murder anyone that night.
 
2013-01-27 11:38:10 PM  
I'm pretty sure there's a line in the calendars somewhere... if you started following football before a certain year, you'd immediately guess Raiders, and if you started following after a certain year, you'd immediately guess Bengals.

/Bengals fan
//cries some more
 
2013-01-27 11:48:01 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: you are a puppet: HideAndGoFarkYourself: you are a puppet: HideAndGoFarkYourself: you are a puppet: Tommy Moo: Hey, this is funny! Did you guys know that one time like ten years ago Ray Lewis was at this party where some guy got shot? So he's totally a murderer, everyone!

Damn, so he had that party, plus the other party where he was charged with murder after two guys got stabbed to death and he had to throw his suit in a dumpster because it got bloodied up being an accessory after the fact, and ultimately plead to perjury, in an incident that ruined the Buckhead area? I wanna party with that guy!

He plead to obstruction of justice, and if you'd read the actual facts of the case, you'd see that there's no way in hell he should have ever been charged.  Nevermind that his two friends who were also charged with murder were acquitted after very short jury deliberations found that they'd acted in self defense.

I guess innocent people shouldn't throw their blood-stained suits away then?

His throwing the suit away played absolutely zero part in any case against him.  His obstruction plea didn't have anything to do with the suit.  Nobody denied that he was involved in an altercation that night.  He and his friends were attacked, a champagne bottle was broken over a Lewis associate's head, and two people were stabbed in self defense after a gun was displayed.  Those are the facts as presented during the trial.

The state's "star" witness was the person who started the fight, and chased after the limo on foot shooting at it.

The case never should have gone to trial.  Even the former prosecutor's colleagues said he seemed out to make a name for himself and nail an NFL player.  Sounds an awful lot like the Duke Lacrosse Case.

Furthermore, it has been speculated that Lewis took the plea to save his NFL career.  He had less involvement in the altercation that night (as shown in the grand jury's presentment) and would have likely (about 99% probability) been acquitted as well ...


"You can be all butthurt" that a movie quote just owned you but people who didn't do anything wrong don't throw away evidence and flee the scene of a crime and that's the point of the movie quote. And no I don't think he murdered anyone, but I do think he did something wrong and he appropriately pleaded guilty as a result. You apparently don't think he did anything wrong, or you're just butthurt that people don't think Ray Lewis is a great guy and they correctly bring up that he is a criminal and his crime involved the deaths of two people. Butthurt.
 
rka
2013-01-27 11:49:44 PM  

you are a puppet: Meanwhile the reason he paid off the victims family's is because it was likely (I'm not going to just put in a bullshiat percentage here like you did) that he would've been found guilty in the civil suits where the probability is more likely than not rather than beyond a reasonable doubt.


He had the deepest pockets. Of course someone was going to come after him regardless. OJ shows that beating a court rap is no guarantee that the victims or their families won't come hunting for money.
 
2013-01-27 11:51:01 PM  
Also you look like an imbecile when you bring up shiat like "99% likelihood he would've been acquitted" or "they proved pretty convincingly they acted in self-defense." What, did you poll the jury? Not just the real jury, but the hypothetical one that would've sat in a Ray Lewis murder trial that never happened?
 
2013-01-28 12:02:33 AM  

you are a puppet: Also you look like an imbecile when you bring up shiat like "99% likelihood he would've been acquitted" or "they proved pretty convincingly they acted in self-defense." What, did you poll the jury? Not just the real jury, but the hypothetical one that would've sat in a Ray Lewis murder trial that never happened?


No, you're the imbecile.  TWO juries found that the other two people accused acted in self defense.  The case against Lewis was considered the weakest, because he was inside the freaking limo when the people were stabbed.  There's always a chance in any case that the jury will find an innocent man guilty.  However, since Lewis had the deepest pockets, the best defense attorneys, and didn't actually participate in the fight, there's about a 99% chance that HIS jury would have found as the other 24 people did, and acquit him too.  Sorry that critical thinking confuses you.

Owned by a movie quote?  Not so much.  I have personally witnessed totally innocent people do things out of fear, shock, confusion, etc.  It's not uncommon at all.  Just because it hasn't happened in one of your movies, doesn't make it reality.  I've seen it first hand, it's absolutely common.

Again, there's been 12 years of speculation, some of it pretty convincing, that he only plead because he was facing a much more lengthy NFL ban.  That's all speculation, but losing millions of dollars is a pretty big bargaining chip to take a relatively minor plea agreement to avoid the loss of income.

Notice how nobody sued the other two people right? Because they're not rich, no deep pockets = no money.

Surely you're not this dumb.

Oh, and during the other two trials, testimony clearly showed that Lewis wanted no part of the altercation and had retreated to the limo to avoid becoming involved.  Lewis's obstruction charge is based ONLY on the fact that he told his friends to "keep their mouths shut."  Which is pretty standard Fark advice when talking about the police.  Even as a police officer myself, that's the same advice I'd give friends of mine accused of a crime.  If you don't talk, there's a greater chance that your defense attorney can get you acquitted.

You've got no legs to stand on here.  An independent review of all the facts presented in court show that Lewis never participated in any murder, never covered up any murder, never participated in the fight that night, etc.
 
2013-01-28 12:06:14 AM  
I see I was beaten badly by to Murderin' Ray, so I'll just say that the Ravens were my first thought and leave it at that.
 
2013-01-28 12:09:24 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: you are a puppet: Also you look like an imbecile when you bring up shiat like "99% likelihood he would've been acquitted" or "they proved pretty convincingly they acted in self-defense." What, did you poll the jury? Not just the real jury, but the hypothetical one that would've sat in a Ray Lewis murder trial that never happened?

No, you're the imbecile.  TWO juries found that the other two people accused acted in self defense.  The case against Lewis was considered the weakest, because he was inside the freaking limo when the people were stabbed.  There's always a chance in any case that the jury will find an innocent man guilty.  However, since Lewis had the deepest pockets, the best defense attorneys, and didn't actually participate in the fight, there's about a 99% chance that HIS jury would have found as the other 24 people did, and acquit him too.  Sorry that critical thinking confuses you.

Owned by a movie quote?  Not so much.  I have personally witnessed totally innocent people do things out of fear, shock, confusion, etc.  It's not uncommon at all.  Just because it hasn't happened in one of your movies, doesn't make it reality.  I've seen it first hand, it's absolutely common.

Again, there's been 12 years of speculation, some of it pretty convincing, that he only plead because he was facing a much more lengthy NFL ban.  That's all speculation, but losing millions of dollars is a pretty big bargaining chip to take a relatively minor plea agreement to avoid the loss of income.

Notice how nobody sued the other two people right? Because they're not rich, no deep pockets = no money.

Surely you're not this dumb.

Oh, and during the other two trials, testimony clearly showed that Lewis wanted no part of the altercation and had retreated to the limo to avoid becoming involved.  Lewis's obstruction charge is based ONLY on the fact that he told his friends to "keep their mouths shut."  Which is pretty standard Fark advice when talking about the police.  Even as ...


If they had found the expensive suit that was seen to have had blood on it that he "misplaced", probably in a dumpster somewhere, he would be doing 25 to life right now. You're white-knighting a killer.
 
2013-01-28 12:23:25 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: HideAndGoFarkYourself: you are a puppet: Also you look like an imbecile when you bring up shiat like "99% likelihood he would've been acquitted" or "they proved pretty convincingly they acted in self-defense." What, did you poll the jury? Not just the real jury, but the hypothetical one that would've sat in a Ray Lewis murder trial that never happened?

No, you're the imbecile.  TWO juries found that the other two people accused acted in self defense.  The case against Lewis was considered the weakest, because he was inside the freaking limo when the people were stabbed.  There's always a chance in any case that the jury will find an innocent man guilty.  However, since Lewis had the deepest pockets, the best defense attorneys, and didn't actually participate in the fight, there's about a 99% chance that HIS jury would have found as the other 24 people did, and acquit him too.  Sorry that critical thinking confuses you.

Owned by a movie quote?  Not so much.  I have personally witnessed totally innocent people do things out of fear, shock, confusion, etc.  It's not uncommon at all.  Just because it hasn't happened in one of your movies, doesn't make it reality.  I've seen it first hand, it's absolutely common.

Again, there's been 12 years of speculation, some of it pretty convincing, that he only plead because he was facing a much more lengthy NFL ban.  That's all speculation, but losing millions of dollars is a pretty big bargaining chip to take a relatively minor plea agreement to avoid the loss of income.

Notice how nobody sued the other two people right? Because they're not rich, no deep pockets = no money.

Surely you're not this dumb.

Oh, and during the other two trials, testimony clearly showed that Lewis wanted no part of the altercation and had retreated to the limo to avoid becoming involved.  Lewis's obstruction charge is based ONLY on the fact that he told his friends to "keep their mouths shut."  Which is pretty standard Fark advice when talking abou ...


Well no, that's possible, but not at all likely.  It wouldn't change the fact that the altercation was started when a member of Lewis's party had a champagne bottle broken over his head.  It wouldn't change the fact that a member of the attacking party pulled a handgun, and it wouldn't change where Lewis was (according to every single eye witness who testified in the trial) during the stabbing.  It's as likely that the blood on his suit was from his friend's gaping head wound (from the champagne bottle) as it is that it was from one of the two now deceased.

Do you guys actually research things, or just spout off what you believe to be the truth?
 
2013-01-28 01:10:50 AM  
Raiders are cheaters,
Bengals are criminals.
 
2013-01-28 01:14:24 AM  

newsweek: Raiders are cheaters,
Bengals are criminals.


You spelled "Patriots" wrong.
 
2013-01-28 01:57:02 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Surely you're not this dumb.


pathfinderpat.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-28 01:59:18 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: you are a puppet: Also you look like an imbecile when you bring up shiat like "99% likelihood he would've been acquitted" or "they proved pretty convincingly they acted in self-defense." What, did you poll the jury? Not just the real jury, but the hypothetical one that would've sat in a Ray Lewis murder trial that never happened?

No, you're the imbecile.  TWO juries found that the other two people accused acted in self defense.  The case against Lewis was considered the weakest, because he was inside the freaking limo when the people were stabbed.  There's always a chance in any case that the jury will find an innocent man guilty.  However, since Lewis had the deepest pockets, the best defense attorneys, and didn't actually participate in the fight, there's about a 99% chance that HIS jury would have found as the other 24 people did, and acquit him too.  Sorry that critical thinking confuses you.

Owned by a movie quote?  Not so much.  I have personally witnessed totally innocent people do things out of fear, shock, confusion, etc.  It's not uncommon at all.  Just because it hasn't happened in one of your movies, doesn't make it reality.  I've seen it first hand, it's absolutely common.

Again, there's been 12 years of speculation, some of it pretty convincing, that he only plead because he was facing a much more lengthy NFL ban.  That's all speculation, but losing millions of dollars is a pretty big bargaining chip to take a relatively minor plea agreement to avoid the loss of income.

Notice how nobody sued the other two people right? Because they're not rich, no deep pockets = no money.

Surely you're not this dumb.

Oh, and during the other two trials, testimony clearly showed that Lewis wanted no part of the altercation and had retreated to the limo to avoid becoming involved.  Lewis's obstruction charge is based ONLY on the fact that he told his friends to "keep their mouths shut."  Which is pretty standard Fark advice when talking about the police.  Even as ...


Jackass, as a police officer I assume you know that "beyond a reasonable doubt" means that when a jury acquits someone, they are saying "well we can't say for sure that he did it, so we have to acquit". It's based on the maxim that we would rather let a hundred guilty people go free than let one innocent person be acquitted. It does not work the other way. It does not mean innocent beyond a reasonable doubt. The people who acquitted Casey Anthony probably did not think "Well I'm convinced she didn't kill her kid".

It is completely fine for you to think that these guys acted in self-defense, and to state that they were legally found "not guilty" (which is a fact), but unless you talked to the jury you don't know that they said "These guys pretty convincingly acted in self-defense", all you know is they thought there was a chance that they were acting in self-defense and therefore had to return that verdict. That's seriously all it means. And again, you know this as a police officer, so stop pretending it's not the case.

No point getting any further into this because the rest is difference of opinion
 
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