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(Badass Digest)   Lifetime Trekkie explains why he's butthurt over the Star Wars directing announcement. "I feel like J.J. Abrams took me out to the prom but left with the hotter girl"   (badassdigest.com) divider line 212
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2013-01-28 08:05:02 AM
I am more of a Trekker but thought that JJ Abrahams should have done Star Wars being Fantasy sci-fi.

Now I read many Star Wars people don't want JJ Abrahams in their franchise.

Is it possible only the people who want to make money by expanding their audience want JJ Abrahams on their favorite Sci-fi universe?

/Can JJ Abrahams also do a Stargate movie, just because he should be involved in anything and everything science-fiction. I would like all science-fiction to look and taste like the very same thing.
 
2013-01-28 08:08:29 AM
mjbok:
Infernalist: Honestly, I don't see the reason for the hatred for the new Star Trek. The whole premise for the original series was 'action' combined with a morality play where the emotional(McCoy) clashes with the logical(Spock) with Kirk in the middle to weigh both sides and then save the farking day somehow or another.

Pretty much what I saw in the last Star Trek movie. All three sides of the equation were nailed

This is Spock being logical in TOS:
[www.call-with-current-continuation.org image 391x353]

This is what Spock being logical in the new version is:
[popreflection.files.wordpress.com image 790x444]


yeah... we all know spock never lost his shiat in TOS...
3.bp.blogspot.com
and of course he never choked Kirk over something trivial, like a piece of ass...
ic.pics.livejournal.com
 
2013-01-28 08:18:23 AM
"The point I'm making is that, laugh all you want, Star Trek isn't just a show (and movie series and books and games and comics and bulletin boards) - it is a part of my life. I am closer to it than to some of my cousins."

Much like furries and those 'special' individuals who froth at the brain over My Little Pony, this behaviour should not be tolerated when exhibited by adults. It should be taken as a desperate plea for castration.

Star Wars/Star Trek/Who Cares... Its all mindless low-brow entertainment with all the cultural depth and entertainment value of a dissatisfying bowel movement.
 
2013-01-28 08:20:59 AM
 Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Argo is going to win Best Picture. It has an RT score of 96%. Abrams' Star Trek has an RT score of 95%.

Those of you trying to crap all over it have a severe case of "I can't like anything that's too mainstream.".

And quit pretending like the series where Shatner hams it up for two hours every couple of years was some kind of untouchable masterwork. It ain't Bill Shakespeare. Hell, they make changes to his stuff all the time. Yet somehow that brand survives....


It's a great action movie. I'll readily acknowledge that. But in seeking out popularity, it lost its soul. As Star Trek, it utterly sucks. The Original Series wasn't perfect- far from it. But it explored ideas and discussed real issues on television. That's what made it interesting, that's what made it different. There was action mixed in, but the show was driven by ideas and discussion. It was about our faults and failings as individuals and as a society. The JJ Abrams movie was about flashy lights.
 
2013-01-28 08:23:30 AM

nulluspixiusdemonica: Star Wars/Star Trek/Who Cares... Its all mindless low-brow entertainment with all the cultural depth and entertainment value of a dissatisfying bowel movement.


Both sides are bad, so vote republican?

Star Trek caught on because it was precisely NOT mindless low-brow entertainment. Star Wars caught on precisely because it was mindless low-brow entertainment, but a very well done example of it.
 
2013-01-28 08:24:15 AM
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2013-01-28 08:52:58 AM

cptjeff: It's a great action movie. I'll readily acknowledge that. But in seeking out popularity, it lost its soul. As Star Trek, it utterly sucks. The Original Series wasn't perfect- far from it. But it explored ideas and discussed real issues on television. That's what made it interesting, that's what made it different. There was action mixed in, but the show was driven by ideas and discussion. It was about our faults and failings as individuals and as a society. The JJ Abrams movie was about flashy lights.


The series may have been like that but none of the movies were.
 
2013-01-28 08:55:30 AM

Egoy3k: cptjeff: It's a great action movie. I'll readily acknowledge that. But in seeking out popularity, it lost its soul. As Star Trek, it utterly sucks. The Original Series wasn't perfect- far from it. But it explored ideas and discussed real issues on television. That's what made it interesting, that's what made it different. There was action mixed in, but the show was driven by ideas and discussion. It was about our faults and failings as individuals and as a society. The JJ Abrams movie was about flashy lights.

The series may have been like that but none of the movies were.


Oh I dunno...TMP, 4, 5 and 6 tried to be more 'original series' I think. Then they figured out most moviegoing audiences weren't very smart so PEWPEWPEWPEWPEW
 
2013-01-28 08:59:22 AM

COMALite J: What Abrams did was destroy the entire Star Trek universe and replace it with his new version. This is the first time that the alteration of the "past" was not undone and the changes reset (a la "City on the Edge of Forever," "Yesterday's Enterprise," etc.).


How do you know there isn't a parallel timeline where the status quo remains?  We're only privy to the new timeline, that doesn't mean the original timeline doesn't exist.
 
2013-01-28 09:00:31 AM
So, TFA, if you're calling Star Wars the hotter girl, does this mean you're admitting it's better than Star Trek?

/minor Trekkie
//I'll watch Star Wars, but I couldn't really be called a fan
 
2013-01-28 09:20:23 AM

You Are All Sheep: Egoy3k: cptjeff: It's a great action movie. I'll readily acknowledge that. But in seeking out popularity, it lost its soul. As Star Trek, it utterly sucks. The Original Series wasn't perfect- far from it. But it explored ideas and discussed real issues on television. That's what made it interesting, that's what made it different. There was action mixed in, but the show was driven by ideas and discussion. It was about our faults and failings as individuals and as a society. The JJ Abrams movie was about flashy lights.

The series may have been like that but none of the movies were.

Oh I dunno...TMP, 4, 5 and 6 tried to be more 'original series' I think. Then they figured out most moviegoing audiences weren't very smart so PEWPEWPEWPEWPEW


Watch Wrath of Khan again- action and deeper thought aren't mutually exclusive. Wrath of Kahn had a lot to it- it was about aging, loss, and Kirk's avoidance and fear of consequences finally catching up with him. It wasn't just an action flick. Search for Spock was loyalty, competing duties, and finally accepting responsibility. Not all of the original movies were about socio-political issues- some were introspective looks at the human condition, but all had a decent amount of meat to them.

The TOS movies, as a whole, did a VERY good job of blending serious topics in with the action and fun. Most of the TNG movies utterly failed at that, and JJTrek failed spectacularly.
 
2013-01-28 09:23:38 AM

cptjeff: It's a great action movie. I'll readily acknowledge that. But in seeking out popularity, it lost its soul.


Dude, can you get any more hipster?
 
2013-01-28 09:35:33 AM

Millennium: cptjeff: It's a great action movie. I'll readily acknowledge that. But in seeking out popularity, it lost its soul.

Dude, can you get any more hipster?


I'm not a hipster. Hipsters are morons who like things precisely because they're obscure, so they can have some street cred for faux sophistication. I, on the other hand, could give a shiat if things I like are popular or not. I do, however, care if, in an attempt to be more broadly appealing, they compromise their product. In seeking a larger, more dumbed down audience, they got rid of what made me and people like me like the Star Trek franchise in the first place.
 
2013-01-28 09:36:00 AM

dogboy360: /BTW, ST:TOS nerds had NASA name a shuttle "Enterprise". What has SW got?


Eh, you might want to check where that "Enterprise" name came from.
 
2013-01-28 09:38:02 AM
I have a bad feeling about this.............
 
2013-01-28 09:45:12 AM

Kyosuke: Imagine the lens flares you can get from two suns!


/thread
 
2013-01-28 09:58:35 AM

StrangeQ: dogboy360: /BTW, ST:TOS nerds had NASA name a shuttle "Enterprise". What has SW got?

Eh, you might want to check where that "Enterprise" name came from.


StrangeQ: dogboy360: /BTW, ST:TOS nerds had NASA name a shuttle "Enterprise". What has SW got?

Eh, you might want to check where that "Enterprise" name came from.


You're the one who needs to do a little checking. It was originally going to be named the Constitution. Star Trek fans orchestrated a campaign to get it named after the USS Enterprise, NCC-1701.

The Star Trek ship was named after the naval vessels. The Shuttle, however, was named after the Star Trek ship.
 
2013-01-28 10:00:05 AM
Enough Star Trek and Star Wars could we get a big budget Dune reboot now?
 
2013-01-28 10:21:57 AM

RTOGUY: Enough Star Trek and Star Wars could we get a big budget Dune reboot now?


That worked out so well before....How about no.
 
2013-01-28 10:26:38 AM

GreenAdder: Your first mistake was actually liking what Abrams did to Star Trek. You should be glad he's moved on to a different franchise and will no longer be ramming his sans-lube hand into Trek.


More of my nerdrage is focused on what Berman & Braga did to Trek than Abrams...

/ although I did like DS9
 
2013-01-28 10:30:51 AM

slayer199: RTOGUY: Enough Star Trek and Star Wars could we get a big budget Dune reboot now?

That worked out so well before....How about no.


I think it could work now. If The Hobbit can get three movies, surely Hollywood can be convinced to give Dune the time it needs to be done right.
 
2013-01-28 10:34:22 AM

mjbok: This is what Spock being logical in the new version is:


The Trekkies have been trolled, they just haven't figured it out yet.
Abrams Trek is more like a parody than actual film
 
2013-01-28 10:36:45 AM

Ishkur: It was just a dumb story that made no god damn sense when applied to fridge logic and that's something you should NEVER do in ANY sci-fi story much less a Star Trek story because geeks love to pick things apart. Where the fark did the red matter come from? Why does Spock have so much of it? Why would Nero blame him for their sun going supernova? How was that his farking fault? How the hell did Kirk land within walking distance of Spock's cave on an entire farking planet -- what are the odds of that contrivance? Why make a rookie cadet fresh out of the Academy and not even assigned to the god damn ship Captain? ....he shouldn't have even been a junior grade lieutenant with that crap.

It goes on and on. Everything was great about the movie and I really wanted to like it, but it gets worse with repeated viewings because the plot holes are worse than Spock's Brain



I quoted this so I wouldn't have to type the same damn thing myself. Thank you.

Fano: I was just asking a few questions...


+1,000,000 internets for posting a Columbo reference, and one that made me laugh, at that.
 
2013-01-28 10:42:19 AM
Star Trek isn't just a show (and movie series and books and games and comics and bulletin boards) - it is a part of my life. I am closer to it than to some of my cousins.

I've met most of my cousins perhaps one time in our entire lives; I could name perhaps two of my cousins if I thought about it for a while.

So, I can safely say that I'm closer to Star Trek than I am to any of my cousins. In particular, I can name some of the folks in Star Trek. For example, there's Spock, Captain Kirk, Dr. Bones, and that one Korean gay guy who caught some sort of nuclear blood vessel disease that made him talk funny.
 
2013-01-28 10:51:20 AM
Dear Jen,


Sorry I left with Cindy. She was hotter than you, hot to trot, and a better kisser than you. Besides I had to save her from that young minister wannabe who she was with. I know it was wrong of me. It's been 17 years, so STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.

Best regards,
 
2013-01-28 10:51:49 AM

COMALite J: What Abrams did was destroy the entire Star Trek universe and replace it with his new version.


Oh noes! You'll never be able to go back the old shows again.

I mean, seriously, dude... it's a campy show from the late '60s that had the guy from priceline.com go around and boink a lot of green alien chicks. Who cares?
If you want to complain about a movie destroying a universe, you should complain about Django Unchained. It absolutely ruined Wagner's Ring Cycle for me, because Siegfried and Brünhilda never had dynamite and dancing horses!
 
2013-01-28 11:00:44 AM

BumpInTheNight: You know they could fix all this time business with one simple move: Cross-over with the Doctor. He could just pop up in that booth and do his magic and there you go everyone goes home happy, besides nerds love Doctor Who and Star Trek so why not have both! Its pure win, I'm going to tell my buddy JJ about this tomorrow when we do lunch!


img.gawkerassets.com
It's already happening


/wibbly wobbly
//timey wimey
 
2013-01-28 11:14:56 AM

Infernalist:

This post is a prime example of why, pre-JJ, people mocked and ridiculed the riduculous 'trekkies'.

You're so wrapped up in the minutiae of a series that had ground to a halt due to lack of fans...that you can't see the delights in a new Trek that brings in a new crowd of fans who don't care how the Enterprise is designed, or the paradoxes illustrated by comparing notes on exactly what was said three years apart in a comic book adaptation of a bad sc ...


Meh, I've been a casual fan of the series, and cannot argue birthdays or relative ages of characters. I didn't really like the reboot movie because of how the main plot made the command crew almost an impossibility, and then had to come up with a contrived way to put Kirk in charge.

TOS Kirk came up fast and became captain young, through heroics and being in the right place at the right time. Reboot Kirk ended up being promoted from cadet to captain for no reason other than Kirk has to be the captain, to hell with any type of progressive rank structure. And it was just through shiatty writing that it turned out that way.
 
2013-01-28 11:43:57 AM

Mad_Radhu: think it could work now. If The Hobbit can get three movies, surely Hollywood can be convinced to give Dune the time it needs to be done right.


You'd think.  I'm a fan of the novels, but much like Tolkien's works, I don't think they could do it justice in 2 hours...they'd have to make it a trilogy...and that would be just for the original Dune.

The Dune mini-series was pretty decent (and closer to the novel), but the Dino De Laurentiis movie was horrible (they Director's Cut is better, but it was still a mess).
 
2013-01-28 11:50:29 AM

lizyrd: TOS Kirk came up fast and became captain young, through heroics and being in the right place at the right time. Reboot Kirk ended up being promoted from cadet to captain for no reason other than Kirk has to be the captain, to hell with any type of progressive rank structure. And it was just through shiatty writing that it turned out that way.


Well, he was promoted to Acting 2nd in command by Captain Pike (one could argue, that Pike recognized early on that Kirk had ability and sought to challenge him).  He was promoted to acting Captain after Spock resigned his commission.  Because he was successful and earned the respect of his crew, one could argue that the command decided to keep him in place.

Hell, if you go back to TNG (and yes, I realize that TNG was after TOS) when Q described how Picard seized the moments that made his career in Tapestry, one could argue that that this was more of a policy than an aberration.

There's something in movies and novels called suspension of disbelief...and one could make a plausible enough of a case to suspend disbelief.
 
2013-01-28 11:54:56 AM

slayer199: lizyrd: TOS Kirk came up fast and became captain young, through heroics and being in the right place at the right time. Reboot Kirk ended up being promoted from cadet to captain for no reason other than Kirk has to be the captain, to hell with any type of progressive rank structure. And it was just through shiatty writing that it turned out that way.

Well, he was promoted to Acting 2nd in command by Captain Pike (one could argue, that Pike recognized early on that Kirk had ability and sought to challenge him).  He was promoted to acting Captain after Spock resigned his commission.  Because he was successful and earned the respect of his crew, one could argue that the command decided to keep him in place.

Hell, if you go back to TNG (and yes, I realize that TNG was after TOS) when Q described how Picard seized the moments that made his career in Tapestry, one could argue that that this was more of a policy than an aberration.

There's something in movies and novels called suspension of disbelief...and one could make a plausible enough of a case to suspend disbelief.


You could also make an argument based upon a timeline that has been altered attempting to 'repair' itself to what it should have been. Yeah that seems pretty stupid but viewers people tend to forget the fiction part of science fiction as often as writers forget the science part.
 
2013-01-28 11:59:02 AM

slayer199: lizyrd: TOS Kirk came up fast and became captain young, through heroics and being in the right place at the right time. Reboot Kirk ended up being promoted from cadet to captain for no reason other than Kirk has to be the captain, to hell with any type of progressive rank structure. And it was just through shiatty writing that it turned out that way.

Well, he was promoted to Acting 2nd in command by Captain Pike (one could argue, that Pike recognized early on that Kirk had ability and sought to challenge him).  He was promoted to acting Captain after Spock resigned his commission.  Because he was successful and earned the respect of his crew, one could argue that the command decided to keep him in place.

Hell, if you go back to TNG (and yes, I realize that TNG was after TOS) when Q described how Picard seized the moments that made his career in Tapestry, one could argue that that this was more of a policy than an aberration.

There's something in movies and novels called suspension of disbelief...and one could make a plausible enough of a case to suspend disbelief.


There's something called suspension of disbelief, and then there's, "BECAUSE MAGIC, SO SIT DOWN AND SHADDUP!". Large portions of JJTrek fall into the later category.
 
2013-01-28 12:27:04 PM

mjbok: It's a valid complaint, and here's why:
Apart from the absolute ridiculous premise that a universe that is split two decades prior would end up with the same exact bridge crew, the crew all originally went to the academy, graduated, and had other ship assignments first because...they were all different ages. Now a person who is 12 years younger is in the same academy class? Kirk would have been approximately 26 (given four years at Star Fleet Academy) at the time he takes over as captain of the Enterprise. That means that Chekov is 14. In the altverse Chekov is 17 and a prodigy, which is why he is where he is. That means that Chekov's parents and their sperm/egg combination was exactly the same 3 years later in the altverse.


As a life long Star Trek fan myself, I have to say

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Seriously, it is not in any way critical, or even remotely important, to the plot what their birthdate is. Who their parents are? Sure, that could be important. If some characters had a vast difference in age that defined their relationship? Yeah, it would suck if what was supposed to be a much older and wiser character became a same-age wise cracking sidekick.

But the characters are all generally the same age in the source. Chekov being 3 years older in the new one?

You aren't arguing about actual plot or characterization, you're arguing about trivia. Yes, I understand it is highly nerdly to care deeply about trivia, but you need to understand that trivia does not make a story good or bad.
 
2013-01-28 12:31:57 PM
God, I hope Abrams gets Lindelof to write the script.
 
2013-01-28 12:45:04 PM

cptjeff: There's something called suspension of disbelief, and then there's, "BECAUSE MAGIC, SO SIT DOWN AND SHADDUP!". Large portions of JJTrek fall into the later category.


Guess what, it's not real.  Quibbling over the reality and plausibility of science fiction is inherently goofy...because it doesn't matter.  What DOES matter are the characters...and many people probably feel the characters are true enough to the original series.
 
2013-01-28 01:03:43 PM

Mad_Radhu: /Bonus: Kurtwood Smith was the Federation President


How in the hell did I miss that?
 
2013-01-28 01:08:23 PM
I for one HATED the constant high-brow moral dilemma bullshiat of the Star Trek franchise. fark you, Wesley Crusher, and every single boring plot you ever entered. The new Star Trek movie was the ONLY entertaining entry since First Contact, and it blew First Contact out of the water.

We want a funny action thriller set in the Star Trek universe, with beloved characters providing great dialogue and comedic elements. Abrams is the best thing to happen to Star Trek since Patrick Stewart.

And YES, I'm looking forward to Star Wars by Abrams. Now I have hope that he'll actually coax a decent acting performance out of someone...anyone? Star Wars could use some charisma, and it hasn't had a single drop of it since Harrison Ford departed the franchise.
 
2013-01-28 01:26:06 PM
While I would have loved a sequel immediately I kept quiet when Abrams went off and did Super 8.

Yeah, because sequels where they rush 'em out the door are SO good. This moron understands that the director doesn't write, greenlight, fund and produce the movie, right?
 
2013-01-28 01:27:47 PM

Kyosuke: Imagine the lens flares you can get from two suns!


You know, I'd like to give a big ol' fark you to the fark community for bringing that up. I was able to ignore it before, and lens flare DOES have a place, but yeah, he uses it like people used coke in the 80's. Now I can't watch a movie with gratuitous lens flare without being horribly distracted.
 
2013-01-28 01:29:12 PM

Boojum2k: Variant names considered:
Century Eagle
Eon Hummingbird
Three-minute Egg


I'm with the other guy, I'd fly on the USS Three Minute Egg in a heartbeat...
 
2013-01-28 01:30:09 PM

enochianwolf: legion_of_doo: Star Wars versus Star Trek... the movie!

oh fark yeah. let's see the Enterprise go all out against the Executor. there will need to be some limitations, however, no teleporting torpedos into bridges and no Forcing kirk into an airlock


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale 

Star Trek is just barely a Type 1 society. Only beginning to fully use an entire planet's energy and branching into their own solar system while exploring beyond it.
Star Wars is a Type 2 or 3 society. They use entire solar systems. Light speed travel in personal vehicles.

It'd be like today's US Navy engaging the Spanish Armada in 1650.
 
2013-01-28 01:32:37 PM

born_yesterday: God, I hope Abrams gets Lindelof to write the script.


"This movie isn't about answers as much as it's about asking questions."
 
2013-01-28 01:43:26 PM

lizyrd: TOS Kirk came up fast and became captain young, through heroics and being in the right place at the right time. Reboot Kirk ended up being promoted from cadet to captain for no reason other than Kirk has to be the captain, to hell with any type of progressive rank structure. And it was just through shiatty writing that it turned out that way.


It was a bit of a stretch for him to still be a cadet, but battlefield promotions are pretty common, especially after a lot of the leadership has been wiped out. Just ask this guy:

www.sarahannsmith.com

Plus, I'm sure that Old Spock probably put in a good word with the Federation brass. Having someone from the future vouch for you kind of takes a lot of guesswork out of the promotion process.
 
2013-01-28 02:03:39 PM

Mad_Radhu: lizyrd: TOS Kirk came up fast and became captain young, through heroics and being in the right place at the right time. Reboot Kirk ended up being promoted from cadet to captain for no reason other than Kirk has to be the captain, to hell with any type of progressive rank structure. And it was just through shiatty writing that it turned out that way.

It was a bit of a stretch for him to still be a cadet, but battlefield promotions are pretty common, especially after a lot of the leadership has been wiped out. Just ask this guy:

[www.sarahannsmith.com image 291x504]

Plus, I'm sure that Old Spock probably put in a good word with the Federation brass. Having someone from the future vouch for you kind of takes a lot of guesswork out of the promotion process.


Plus he can say "this guy will break some rules, but will save yours, mine, and everyone elses ass about 10 times"..so the next movie is him getting in trouble and possibly losing the enterprise because he breaks the prime directive.
 
2013-01-28 02:13:36 PM

slayer199: The Dune mini-series was pretty decent (and closer to the novel), but the Dino De Laurentiis movie was horrible (they Director's Cut is better, but it was still a mess).


I like the set design and costuming from the movie, but the Harkonnens were over-the-top, exaggerated evil. ( the tv-series portrayed that House more believably, IMHO )
 
2013-01-28 02:44:35 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: ( the tv-series portrayed that House more believably, IMHO )


Agreed.  The Harkonnens in the De Laurentiis version were caricatures.  There was some horrible casting choices beginning with Kyle MacLachlan as Paul Atreides (Sting was not a good choice either).  There were some excellent actors/actresses attached (José Ferrer, Linda Hunt, Richard Jordan, Patrick Stewart, Jürgen Prochnow), but it wasn't enough to overcome MacLachlan's wooden acting.  I've also come to believe that David Lynch was a horrible choice to direct Dune.  Hell, Ridley Scott would have been a better choice in 1984.

The only way they could do Dune justice these days on the big screen is to do the first book as a Trilogy.
 
2013-01-28 02:48:41 PM

mjbok: slayer199: If anything, Abrams has shown he has a love of the source material.

If by love of the source material you meaning changing everything BEFORE the split to the dumb as hell altverse (ages of characters, where characters were born, the way the science of Trek works) then I agree. You hated how Lucas changed stuff about the Force? Wait until you see how JJ farks with the existing mythology. Don't worry though, he will tell you that he knows where it is all going and he isn't making it up as he goes.

Infernalist: Honestly, I don't see the reason for the hatred for the new Star Trek. The whole premise for the original series was 'action' combined with a morality play where the emotional(McCoy) clashes with the logical(Spock) with Kirk in the middle to weigh both sides and then save the farking day somehow or another.

Pretty much what I saw in the last Star Trek movie. All three sides of the equation were nailed

This is Spock being logical in TOS:
[www.call-with-current-continuation.org image 391x353]

This is what Spock being logical in the new version is:
[popreflection.files.wordpress.com image 790x444]


To be fair, Vulcans being emotionally extreme in certain situations has ample support from prior Star Trek canon.
 
2013-01-28 02:50:05 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: slayer199: The Dune mini-series was pretty decent (and closer to the novel), but the Dino De Laurentiis movie was horrible (they Director's Cut is better, but it was still a mess).

I like the set design and costuming from the movie, but the Harkonnens were over-the-top, exaggerated evil. ( the tv-series portrayed that House more believably, IMHO )


To be honest, I thought the TV-series Harkonnen were far more tame than those of the novels. But, it's better than too over-the-top, ala Dino.
 
2013-01-28 03:05:18 PM

Quantumbunny: Had they announced Michael Bay or M Night Shamalama Dingdog I'd have been pissed.


God, that's no shiat. He would pull off an incredibly stupid twist, like after a climactic battle it turns out the Villain was the Protagonists father all along.

Seriously though, I thank my lucky stars it's not shamalama dingdong. The man is a one trick pony.
 
2013-01-28 03:15:20 PM
Is ANYONE actually surprised that J.J. Abrams left a property before it was complete? I don't think he's stuck with a single series he created for more than two seasons. I think he has some strange type of directorial ADD.
 
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