ELF Radio: I've kind of come to detest JJ Abrahms....Maybe i'm wrong. I don't know. I just wish they'd given control of Star Wars to an older, more ponderous director. Ridley Scott or someone.
mjbok: Kazan: Abram's splinter universe is not the same as the original. things are different. Spock is a bit less in control of himself in this one, and given the circumstances it is even more likely that this was just a temporary lapse of control.Hence what I was saying about lack of respect for the source material.
rickycal78: dogboy360: Mad_Radhu: dogboy360: Confabulat: dogboy360: BTW, ST:TOS nerds had NASA name a shuttle "Enterprise"Yeah, but that shuttle boldly stayed on Earth.Well, it did fly (just never left the atmosphere).There was also that whole Star Wars weapons program thing. Of course that didn't get into space, either.Ok, I will give you that. But Nobody wanted that. Even now, that was a stupid idea. Yes, there are defence contractors that are trying to make something like that work. But, it was a misnomer from the beginning.The hell we didn't want it! And of course they called it Star Wars, you didn't expect them to call it "Death Star" did you?
ELF Radio: I just wish they'd given control of Star Wars to an older, more ponderous director. Ridley Scott or someone.
mjbok: This is what Spock being logical in the new version is
Confabulat: Of all the things to complain about, the age of the characters? WTF?
BumpInTheNight: You really need to read that entire thing in Comic Book Guy's voice, is sooo much better.Here, I'll get you started:[goodcomics.comicbookresources.com image 289x229]
mjbok: That means that Chekov is 14.
Hitomi Tanaka's Paperweights: I absolutely understand your criticisms of Abrams' reboot, but this is a totally inappropriate screenshot to support your point - you're showing precisely the point in the movie where Spock loses control of his emotions, for which he (logically) declares himself unfit to command. While I agree with your points by and large, this 'example' is patently ass-backwards.
mjbok: That means that Chekov's parents and their sperm/egg combination was exactly the same 3 years later in the altverse.
mjbok: This is Spock being logical in TOS:[www.call-with-current-continuation.org image 391x353]This is what Spock being logical in the new version is:[popreflection.files.wordpress.com image 790x444]
mjbok: Look at Spock's dad's relationship with Spock's mom. Loveless (in the way we understand it) and more of a marriage of understanding than any marriage of passion.
Confabulat: Why is Chekov 14? Walter Koenig is the same age as George Takei.
mjbok: Chekov was born in 2245. Kirk was born in 2233. This is only for the original universe. It's not the relative age of the actors, it's the relative ages of the characters.
AliceBToklasLives: Star Wars and Star Trek were great. But they are done. Time for someone to create a new franchise to take their place./rebooting has only worked once//result = one great series + 1,000,000 crappy series/films
MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Don't get me wrong, there's plenty to make fun of in the new Trek: The USS Apple Store with its Clearly-A-Warehouse Super Mario Brothers Engine Room and the campy script. Spock losing his cool after being provoked over a larger-than-life personal loss was one of the better touches.
Confabulat: Ugh, well if it means so much to you that you've memorized the birthdays of the crew, then I defer to you. And may God have mercy on your soul.
tallguywithglasseson: Didn't care for Abrams' take on Star Trek. Take existing franchise, make some winks to the original material, turn into dumb action movie.
Mike Chewbacca: tallguywithglasseson: Didn't care for Abrams' take on Star Trek. Take existing franchise, make some winks to the original material, turn into dumb action movie.Star Wars IS a dumb action movie, though. So I actually have hope for the next movie because of this.
elchip: I've decided that everything Jar-Jar Abrams turns to shiat.Lost took a good premise and ended up shiatting all over it.Alias had good mysteries with stupid resolutions (just like Lost).Revolution is farking retarded. Don't get me started on Alcatraz. Fringe was pretty stupid too.Star Trek 2009 was a dumb, forgettable action movie. Face it.Star Wars 7 is gonna suck ass if prior trends hold. But I'll still pay to see it...
GreenAdder: Why didn't Nero just try to stop his planet from getting blown up in the first place? Rather than some stupid irrational revenge scheme against people who don't even know why he's PO'ed, he could be out there laying the groundwork to keep his people safe.And why did Sulu have a lightsaber?
Farker Soze: Techhell: /Agrees about Abrams' take on Trek - it wasn't a Trek movie. It was a dumb action-comedy that actively encouraged viewers to sit back, turn off their brains and just oogle the pretty action and the wittily forgettable one-liners.What, like ST IV and VI?
mjbok: Thanks for the first part. In TOS (and TNG plus movies) how many times did Spock lose his shiat? The only time I can remember was on the planet with the flowers and that was a result of the spores influencing him. A better example for the new movie would be him getting Uhura out of her panties, because outside of PonFar (sp?) this wouldn't have happened for any Vulcans in the original universe. While it is logical that she gets his Vulcan dick hard, that's not the way it works in the established universe. Look at Spock's dad's relationship with Spock's mom. Loveless (in the way we understand it) and more of a marriage of understanding than any marriage of passion.
Craps the Gorilla: This new star trek was a fresh reboot with no foundation since they did that weird dimension altering bs.
mjbok: This is not a mirror universe (lack of goatees), but a deviation of the original timeline. It is, at its core, stupid.
Hitomi Tanaka's Paperweights: In other words, the old Spock, if he were to preserved absolutely true to his 'original' form, would simply not mean the same to today's audience, because their very understanding of logic, emotionless, and all the mind/heart dichotomy and debate that Spock's character represented to the older generation is not and cannot be interpreted in the same way by people who grew up in a vastly different world, with vastly different social rules of interaction and exposure.
Brainsick: Not sure if trolling (goatees)
GreenAdder: Think of it like this:A guy comes over to your house and breaks your TV. Twice. And suddenly you get a letter in the mail. It's from the guy, telling you he's tired of breaking your TV. He'd rather go over to a different house, because he found out they have a much more expensive TV to break.Would you miss the guy? Would you feel slighted at his absence? Would you feel betrayed that suddenly you might have a different guest who treats your TV with care and respect?
mjbok: I know this is kind of middle ground between the original Spock and the new Spock, but Data was really Spock 2.0. Rather than having lack of emotion be a race character trait it was due to him being an android, but it was the same vein, with a different background. By making the new Spock be "updated" it makes him less a Vulcan and more like someone with Aspergers, or someone like Sheldon on BBT.
Kazan: mjbok: ...This is Spock being logical in TOS:[www.call-with-current-continuation.org image 391x353]This is what Spock being logical in the new version is:[popreflection.files.wordpress.com image 790x444]Abram's splinter universe is not the same as the original. things are different. Spock is a bit less in control of himself in this one, and given the circumstances it is even more likely that this was just a temporary lapse of control.
COMALite J: What Abrams did was destroy the entire Star Trek universe and replace it with his new version. This is the first time that the alteration of the "past" was not undone and the changes reset (a la "City on the Edge of Forever," "Yesterday's Enterprise," etc.).
COMALite J: All Trek series except (gag!) Enterprise are undone.
COMALite J: Nothing past that point can happen the way it did
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