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(Chicago Trib)   Chicago, with the nation's strictest gun laws, would like to point out that 1 of the 7 homicides last night was a stabbing. No gun was used in that killing   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 451
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2013-01-27 02:06:50 PM  

jaytkay: I didn't say the gun ban caused the drop in murders.


Sure, you just said that the overturning of the ban caused a spike in murders and that "murder rates plummeted during Chicago's ban."
 
2013-01-27 02:07:11 PM  
Let's see - last time there was a gun murder problem in Chicago...back in the 1920s...

Oh, I get it. The Feds just have to go in and arrest all those income tax evaders, and the problem will be magically solved!

Thank you, you're welcome.
 
2013-01-27 02:08:13 PM  

here to help: So gun rights people are now using outright, unabashed racism to defend their cause?

WTF?!


What are you talking about? I didn't see "outright, unabashed racism" here, who posted it?
 
2013-01-27 02:08:16 PM  
EnderX...
It's not about poverty...
It's about morality
Being an unwed mother with the State picking up the tab has become socially acceptable.
I guess I'm getting too old for this...
I remember when you were supposed to be married to have kids...
I remember when you actually had to DO something to get self-esteem, not just show up.
 
2013-01-27 02:11:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01: EnderX: Mrtraveler01: EnderX: Mrtraveler01: EnderX: 70% of childbirth's in Chicago are to unwed mother's.......There's your smoking gun.

I think it's more about poverty than that myself.

Their too poor to get married and have a father at home?

More along the lines of:

"They're poor and their only means to survive is to be a criminal".

I know people who had children out of wedlock but I don't think they're going to grow up to be criminals.

I don't believe I said all people born out of wedlock are going to grow up to be criminal, Is that what you are trying to imply to the forum that I said? Because that would be a lie.

No you said born out of wedlock with no father around.

I should've been more detailed in that I know people in that situtation and I don't think those mothers are going to raise a criminal.


Well I guess we can agree that some mothers raise criminals, thanks for your participation.
 
2013-01-27 02:11:36 PM  

stirfrybry: bronyaur1: The NRA dummies keep pounding the pathetic argument that because Chicago has bad gun violence problems and its leaders have pursued gun restrictions, therefore the pursuit of gun restrictions causes gun violence.

If you are so dumb and incapable of logical thought that you sign onto - let alone repeat talking points supporting - this argument, then you might just be (a) too stupid to breed, (b) a Fox viewer, and (c) a redneck.

Idiot. The take-away is that gun control is ineffective, not that it causes crime. Lame strawman is lame


How do we know what the rate of gun crime would have been without gun control laws though? Is there a control city to test the null hypothesis against?

Gun laws in cities, or even states are almost pointless. You can drive an hour to Kenosha from chicago and buy a gun there. Or better yet, go to Gary and pick one up at a pawn shop. We need gun control on a national level and laws preventing against people bringing in guns from elsewhere, and at least a couple of decades for the supply on the street to dwindle down before we see a dent in gun crime.

Also, there needs to be legislation to punish gun owners who knowingly or negligently sold their gun to a criminal or had their gun stolen by a criminal because they didn't keep it safe. Not suggesting across the board punishment for every original gun owner of a weapon that was later used in a crime, but rather those that fail to prove due diligence in selling their gun to somebody legal (consignment at gun shops that perform background checks, maybe?), or keeping their gun in a way that doesn't make it easily obtainable by a robber or burglar.

Of course, the limits placed on enforcement by thee ATF need to be lifted. Conservatives parrot the "enforce current laws" line, but behind the scenes have hobbled the ATF to the point that they can't even have gun shops perform inventory checks. FFS, this is not an industry that is interested in anybody's safety. They are intellectually dishonest in their arguments.
 
2013-01-27 02:11:47 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: Greylight: The culture in the US is not common across the whole country. I in Manitoba have more in common with someone from Minisota then they would with someone from Mississippi.

The idea of a "gun culture" is not an irreversible fact of life, it is a series of choices. Now is the time for Americans to make another choice. Make the right choice this time my friends.

Right, I understand that. It's a big, diverse country and about as non-homogeneous as you can get. But, overall, I believe what I said to be more fact than fiction.

Like I said, I'd like to see more strict gun control. However, it's not going to be a panacea, as there are many other factors that contribute to gun violence in the U.S.


We don't disagree that the problems with violence in our respective societies are complicated and addressing them must come from a multi facited approach. Canada is not the world leader in mental health advocacy and social harmony that some pretend it is as a method to dismiss how gun laws and restrictions are working for other societies.
 
2013-01-27 02:12:27 PM  

redmid17: Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: No you don't, it's just a toy. I'm perfectly fine with you guys wanting to keep them but stop kidding me telling me you need these for self-defense or hunting and just tell me it's a toy.

Why do you think of it as a toy?

You need an Assault Rifle for home defense when a shotgun does the same job?

You need an assault rifle for hunting? What on earth are you hunting that requires a weapon as powerful as that?

If you think an 'assault rifle' is powerful, I have a bridge in New York for sale


Just to clarify, the standard round used by an AR-15 or similar gun is usually too small to legally hunt anything bigger than a coyote.
 
2013-01-27 02:13:56 PM  

Somacandra: Gee, its almost as if the reality of guns in an urban setting (where everyone is spatially compressed and differential social problems are thus magnified) is far different from the reality of guns in a rural setting.


Please don't make statements that undermine everyone's desire to see increased gun violence as a direct result of stricter gun laws. We don't need to inject common sense into these discussions.
 
2013-01-27 02:14:23 PM  
I've got to respond to Odins_Raven....
If you look up history, gun control in the U.S. was originally established to keep Free Negroes from having the ability to defend themselves. Instituted by Democrats, if you really want to check. I personally believe that every law-abiding person of color (that includes us pinkish-beige folks) should own a firearm and be trained in how to use it properly - including the local self-defense laws.
Criminals? Screw 'em. You gave up that right.
 
2013-01-27 02:15:27 PM  

RockChalkH1N1: Molavian: RockChalkH1N1: Mrtraveler01: RockChalkH1N1: Mrtraveler01: RockChalkH1N1: Why is it that where ever a large population of black people live there is a ton of crime?

Because black people tend to live in more urban areas which tend to be more populated and have more crime?

You never hear about crime in the Black Belt of the South (a region largely populated by Blacks.)

Any more observations you'd like me to answer for you?

Why is there a disproportional amount of black people in jail?

I don't know. Do you?

No, that's why I'm asking

Dude, any second they're going to start yelling racism and it's game over from there.

Don't bother.

Black people tend to do more crime via population ratio, its not racist if its true


While I believe it's caused by socio-economic issues based on a different cultural value system, I would be deemed racist for stating that it needs to be looked at by society. There's a problem that a good chunk of our country doesn't want to admit to let alone analyze.
 
2013-01-27 02:15:31 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: No you don't, it's just a toy. I'm perfectly fine with you guys wanting to keep them but stop kidding me telling me you need these for self-defense or hunting and just tell me it's a toy.

Why do you think of it as a toy?

You need an Assault Rifle for home defense when a shotgun does the same job?

You need an assault rifle for hunting? What on earth are you hunting that requires a weapon as powerful as that?


#1: What the hell gives ANYONE the right to tell another person what they can or can't use to protect themselves and their family? How that fark is it anyone's business what I choose to use to defend myself?

#2: You obviously have NO CLUE about the weapons that you live in fear of. A .223 round, while useful for hunting coyotes, smaller game, and yes, DEER as well, is still far weaker than almost all hunting rifle rounds that most hunters use. Give a 300 WinMag round a try sometime. Makes a .223 seem like Ralphie's eye remover.
 
2013-01-27 02:17:22 PM  

3StratMan: #1: What the hell gives ANYONE the right to tell another person what they can or can't use to protect themselves and their family? How that fark is it anyone's business what I choose to use to defend myself?


I saw they couldn't use it, they have the right to get it. I just don't understand why anyone needs a gun that big to protect their family.

Is there some Zombie Apocalypse that I'm not aware of?
 
2013-01-27 02:17:35 PM  
And about Canada having less violence....
Come on....they're freakin' Canadians...what did you expect?
 
2013-01-27 02:17:55 PM  

OscarTamerz: Greylight: As pointed out by a thoughtful gun rights advocate up thread: not only do Canada's arms laws and restrictions result in fewer gun related fatalities, it also results in less gang and drug war problems.

No, they don't. If you removed all the gun murders in the US and left all the gun murders in Canada and didn't touch all the other murder methods in both countries Canada would still have a lower murder rate than the US. Americans murder each other more with nongun weapons than Canadians do with gun AND nongun weapons so it's the people not the weapons that are the determining factor.

Canadians don't have the large black population that commits murders at 5 times the rate of the the rest of the population and they don't have 20 million criminal alien Mexicans who doubled their own murder rate in the drug wars in the last few years.


Respectively sir, race has nothing to do with the benifits of gun regulations and laws any more than religion does.

As a wise fellow all ready pointed out up thread the issue is a complex one and there is no single silver bullet; however, there is data to show gun laws and restrictions are part of the solution, in conjunction with other societal support.
 
2013-01-27 02:18:52 PM  
Ah, so gun restrictions aren't foolproof so therefore we should not use them.

Oh and since people still murder even though that's illegal, screw it, let's make it legal. The law doesn't work anyways, right?

Super logic.
 
2013-01-27 02:19:35 PM  

3StratMan: Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: No you don't, it's just a toy. I'm perfectly fine with you guys wanting to keep them but stop kidding me telling me you need these for self-defense or hunting and just tell me it's a toy.

Why do you think of it as a toy?

You need an Assault Rifle for home defense when a shotgun does the same job?

You need an assault rifle for hunting? What on earth are you hunting that requires a weapon as powerful as that?

#1: What the hell gives ANYONE the right to tell another person what they can or can't use to protect themselves and their family? How that fark is it anyone's business what I choose to use to defend myself?

#2: You obviously have NO CLUE about the weapons that you live in fear of. A .223 round, while useful for hunting coyotes, smaller game, and yes, DEER as well, is still far weaker than almost all hunting rifle rounds that most hunters use. Give a 300 WinMag round a try sometime. Makes a .223 seem like Ralphie's eye remover.


I want to use a tactical nuke to defend my family.

You got a problem with that?
 
2013-01-27 02:21:40 PM  
RockChalk....
It IS racist even if it is true
 
2013-01-27 02:22:00 PM  

jaytkay: Mikey1969: now you have 506. 506 is less than 800, so there is going to have to be a LOT more soaring before you will have a point.

My point was that violence and particularly murder plummeted during the gun ban.

And that people claiming the gun ban causes violence are obviously, laughably wrong.

Those points are indisputable.

I should not have suggested that lifting the handgun ban caused the uptick. But I can't help it sometimes because it just emphasizes how gun enthusiasts and Chicago-haters argue against the facts.


It plummeted nationwide though, Chicago isn't special.

I'm not arguing against any facts, I'm just arguing about people picking and choosing. Chicago's trend follows a national trend pretty closely, so I don't thin it's special.

I don't know that a gun ban increases crime, but I can argue that it's not going to DEcrease it, since most of the people who commit gun crimes are criminals in the first place. Obviously a few are first timers...
 
2013-01-27 02:22:45 PM  

Resident Muslim: 2) "I would rather a thousand guilty men walk free than one innocent man get executed". Again, no. a) as long as juries(sp?) know what is at stake, they would be less likely to convict a person for murder with circumstantial evidence only to have the person who was supposed to have been killed walk into the scene b) letting the guilty 1000 men walk free will only encourage them to act again (see repeat offenders)
3) once criminals understand it is literally their neck on the line -not 3 hots and a cot- murders will drop. But pleeeease, none of this "dies of old age on death row"


Hi, welcome to Earth. Unlike your home world of Vulcan, human beings are irrational illogical creatures who'll do such crazy things as crimes of passion, prosecute beyond the fullest extent to buff the ol' resume, and find guilty due to inherent biases, faulty logic, or whether or not the defendent was wearing white after Labor Day. I know, I know, it sounds crazy, Mr. Spock, but we really are a bunch of McCoys down here.

Aren't you tired of living with bars on your windows and the criminals walking free?

Aren't you tired of living with the fear of one wrong misstep resulting in literally losing your head?

Been there, done that, got tired of it, fixed it. Welcome to the 21st century, you can join us at any time.
 
2013-01-27 02:24:34 PM  

Pichu0102: Make it harder to get new guns, encourage an alternative of less than lethal self protection measures. Why is this bad?


Yes! We should make it harder to excersize all of our rights!

Maybe if we had to pay for our right to free speech fewer people would be saying dumb shiat.
 
2013-01-27 02:24:39 PM  
Its always a good show when someone discovers FARK right at the same time they stop taking their meds. Where's my popcorn?
 
2013-01-27 02:24:43 PM  

Mikey1969: Greylight: As pointed out by a thoughtful gun rights advocate up thread: not only do Canada's arms laws and restrictions result in fewer gun related fatalities, it also results in less gang and drug war problems.

Either that, or it's a result of the fact that Canada has 34 million people while the US has 311 million. That's just over 10% of the total US population. California has more people than Canada, and Texas isn't far behind.

Of course, THAT couldn't be the issue, right? Also, Canada is a lot more rural, and we all know crime tends to rise in larger urban areas.


Son, Canada has a greater portion of our population in major urban centers than the US does. We also have less gun violence per capita, not total. I'll give you the benifit of the doubt and presume you mean total gun violence compared to equally large urban centers. Go ahead and compare Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal with equivalent sized cities in the US. We both know without even looking what you will find. Or at least, you should.
 
2013-01-27 02:25:31 PM  

redmid17: If you think an 'assault rifle' is powerful, I have a bridge in New York for sale


Quit using that phrase. "Assault rifle" is a made up terminology used to try and scare people and is completely useless.

There is no difference between an AR-15 and just about any gas operated handgun.

As a percentage, how many crimes were committed with any type of rifle over the past several years?
 
2013-01-27 02:26:23 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: And yet, a city in a state like New York that has an AWB, that also has stricter gun laws has seen a drop in crime.


Shh. Only Chicago counts in NRAball!
 
2013-01-27 02:26:53 PM  
Chicago - 2.7 million population - 506 homicides

Detroit - 705,000 population - 411 homicides
 
2013-01-27 02:27:04 PM  

Greylight: Mikey1969: Greylight: As pointed out by a thoughtful gun rights advocate up thread: not only do Canada's arms laws and restrictions result in fewer gun related fatalities, it also results in less gang and drug war problems.

Either that, or it's a result of the fact that Canada has 34 million people while the US has 311 million. That's just over 10% of the total US population. California has more people than Canada, and Texas isn't far behind.

Of course, THAT couldn't be the issue, right? Also, Canada is a lot more rural, and we all know crime tends to rise in larger urban areas.

Son, Canada has a greater portion of our population in major urban centers than the US does. We also have less gun violence per capita, not total. I'll give you the benifit of the doubt and presume you mean total gun violence compared to equally large urban centers. Go ahead and compare Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal with equivalent sized cities in the US. We both know without even looking what you will find. Or at least, you should.


Everyone knows that Toronto is filled with nothing but white people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Toronto
 
2013-01-27 02:27:46 PM  

Mikey1969: here to help: So gun rights people are now using outright, unabashed racism to defend their cause?

WTF?!

What are you talking about? I didn't see "outright, unabashed racism" here, who posted it?


You're right. I'm the racist for noticing the racism.
If you just happen to have a hefty ignore list then my apologies.
 
2013-01-27 02:28:06 PM  
"He was just going to the store," the man said. "They just killed him just like that."

Where have we seen this before?
 
2013-01-27 02:28:54 PM  

redmid17: redmid17: Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: No you don't, it's just a toy. I'm perfectly fine with you guys wanting to keep them but stop kidding me telling me you need these for self-defense or hunting and just tell me it's a toy.

Why do you think of it as a toy?

You need an Assault Rifle for home defense when a shotgun does the same job?

You need an assault rifle for hunting? What on earth are you hunting that requires a weapon as powerful as that?

If you think an 'assault rifle' is powerful, I have a bridge in New York for sale

Just to clarify, the standard round used by an AR-15 or similar gun is usually too small to legally hunt anything bigger than a coyote.


Drop the word "legally" and you are sort of right. Other that shotgun zones (more populated areas) vs rifles zones ( vastly less populated areas) caliber usually isn't an issue as far as state laws are concerned. .223 can still be used as a deer hunting round. Shot placement is key, regardless of caliber.
 
2013-01-27 02:29:36 PM  

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: There is no difference between an AR-15 and just about any gas operated handgun.


Which is why we handed out M1911s to our boys instead of Garands.
 
2013-01-27 02:29:53 PM  
Yes, a shotgun does the same job as an assault rifle... on the first a**hole... the problem is it'll take me 10 seconds to reload my double-barrel breech-loader for the second a**hole. And I can't very well reload while I'm clubbing him with it, can I? And if there's a 3rd or 4th a**hole waiting? I'd rather have a 30 round clip, thank you.
 
2013-01-27 02:30:28 PM  

DogBoyTheCat: EnderX...
It's not about poverty...
It's about morality
Being an unwed mother with the State picking up the tab has become socially acceptable.
I guess I'm getting too old for this...
I remember when you were supposed to be married to have kids...
I remember when you actually had to DO something to get self-esteem, not just show up.


Being responsible for ones own actions is slowly being legislated out of existence.

GET OFF OUR LAWNS!
 
2013-01-27 02:31:42 PM  
Mikey...FYI....it's a RUSH reference...
and not a very good one
 
2013-01-27 02:31:49 PM  

Mrtraveler01: You need an Assault Rifle for home defense when a shotgun does the same job?

You need an assault rifle for hunting? What on earth are you hunting that requires a weapon as powerful as that?


An "assault rifle" typically has a lot of cosmetic features that lend themselves easily to home defense. Having a shorter barrel and collapsible stock along with precision accuracy and easily reloaded adds up to a very nice package. I agree on a 1-1 night time scenario, a shotgun is the better weapon but that doesn't make the AR a bad choice. It's like saying a baseball bat is good for home defense but a cricket mallet isn't.

As far as power, "assault rifles" are typically lower power. No joke. Look at videos from shooting comps. Smaller bullet... lower energy. The shine for the AR-15 as far as hunting is again, multiple configurations that allow for higher and lower energy as well as longer, and shorter shooting. A 6.8mm SPC on a 24" barrel AR-15 will shoot as good as many high end hunting rifles and it'll serve as a defensive weapon just as easily.

The AR-15 platform is a handy customizable system that allows for the user to make a rifle capable of hunting, target shooting, and defending themselves. It's not the best at a single thing but it's good at a great many things.

redmid17: Did you place a large bet against yourself in this debate?


I know. What's the deal?
 
2013-01-27 02:32:04 PM  

odenseoffyn: Gun violence is a symptom.
Gun availability is a causality.
Others are health, economy, social, education.
Gun availability, can be mitigated directly and quickly. While we work on the other more complicated issues.
The straw man works to subvert this simplicity


hmmmmm..........yup.
 
2013-01-27 02:32:16 PM  

DogBoyTheCat: Yes, a shotgun does the same job as an assault rifle... on the first a**hole... the problem is it'll take me 10 seconds to reload my double-barrel breech-loader for the second a**hole. And I can't very well reload while I'm clubbing him with it, can I? And if there's a 3rd or 4th a**hole waiting? I'd rather have a 30 round clip, thank you.


What if you have to deal with 31 a**holes?
 
2013-01-27 02:32:34 PM  

lostcat: 3StratMan: Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: No you don't, it's just a toy. I'm perfectly fine with you guys wanting to keep them but stop kidding me telling me you need these for self-defense or hunting and just tell me it's a toy.

Why do you think of it as a toy?

You need an Assault Rifle for home defense when a shotgun does the same job?

You need an assault rifle for hunting? What on earth are you hunting that requires a weapon as powerful as that?

#1: What the hell gives ANYONE the right to tell another person what they can or can't use to protect themselves and their family? How that fark is it anyone's business what I choose to use to defend myself?

#2: You obviously have NO CLUE about the weapons that you live in fear of. A .223 round, while useful for hunting coyotes, smaller game, and yes, DEER as well, is still far weaker than almost all hunting rifle rounds that most hunters use. Give a 300 WinMag round a try sometime. Makes a .223 seem like Ralphie's eye remover.

I want to use a tactical nuke to defend my family.

You got a problem with that?


Ha ha. Good one. Try again.
 
2013-01-27 02:34:07 PM  

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: redmid17: If you think an 'assault rifle' is powerful, I have a bridge in New York for sale

Quit using that phrase. "Assault rifle" is a made up terminology used to try and scare people and is completely useless.

There is no difference between an AR-15 and just about any gas operated handgun.

As a percentage, how many crimes were committed with any type of rifle over the past several years?


That certainly explains why soldiers are issued gas operated handguns instead of military versions of AR-15s.
 
2013-01-27 02:35:40 PM  

3StratMan: lostcat: 3StratMan: Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: No you don't, it's just a toy. I'm perfectly fine with you guys wanting to keep them but stop kidding me telling me you need these for self-defense or hunting and just tell me it's a toy.

Why do you think of it as a toy?

You need an Assault Rifle for home defense when a shotgun does the same job?

You need an assault rifle for hunting? What on earth are you hunting that requires a weapon as powerful as that?

#1: What the hell gives ANYONE the right to tell another person what they can or can't use to protect themselves and their family? How that fark is it anyone's business what I choose to use to defend myself?

#2: You obviously have NO CLUE about the weapons that you live in fear of. A .223 round, while useful for hunting coyotes, smaller game, and yes, DEER as well, is still far weaker than almost all hunting rifle rounds that most hunters use. Give a 300 WinMag round a try sometime. Makes a .223 seem like Ralphie's eye remover.

I want to use a tactical nuke to defend my family.

You got a problem with that?

Ha ha. Good one. Try again.


OK, I want to put landmines in my yard to keep intruders out.

How can that be a problem?
 
2013-01-27 02:37:02 PM  

lostcat: Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: redmid17: If you think an 'assault rifle' is powerful, I have a bridge in New York for sale

Quit using that phrase. "Assault rifle" is a made up terminology used to try and scare people and is completely useless.

There is no difference between an AR-15 and just about any gas operated handgun.

As a percentage, how many crimes were committed with any type of rifle over the past several years?

That certainly explains why soldiers are issued gas operated handguns instead of military versions of AR-15s.


I prefer to use potato cannons as my means of home defense.
 
2013-01-27 02:37:52 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: There is no difference between an AR-15 and just about any gas operated handgun.

Which is why we handed out M1911s to our boys instead of Garands.


Have you ever carried an M1 with a appropriate amount of ammunition? What about a M1911?

The answer is very clear if you had.

Never-mind the reliability issue.
 
2013-01-27 02:38:08 PM  

lostcat: Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: redmid17: If you think an 'assault rifle' is powerful, I have a bridge in New York for sale

Quit using that phrase. "Assault rifle" is a made up terminology used to try and scare people and is completely useless.

There is no difference between an AR-15 and just about any gas operated handgun.

As a percentage, how many crimes were committed with any type of rifle over the past several years?

That certainly explains why soldiers are issued gas operated handguns instead of military versions of AR-15s.


Actually... soldiers are quite often issued both handguns AND M16's.

Try again.
 
2013-01-27 02:38:59 PM  
I'm a little surprised, but I agree with Resident Muslim on this: Forget that many years on death row thing. Just give the slimeball murderers life without parole in one of our more lovely hellhole prisons. That's an infinitely more crappy fate than the simple needle-in-the-arm. And, if it should come to pass that the person was innocent...he is still alive.
However...for those UNQUESTIONABLY guilty of UNQUESTIONABLY heinous crimes (I.E. Gacey), I personally would be cool with a public breaking on the wheel.
(It's an oldie but a goodie....look it up to see how it's properly done)
 
2013-01-27 02:39:43 PM  

lostcat: 3StratMan: lostcat: 3StratMan: Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: No you don't, it's just a toy. I'm perfectly fine with you guys wanting to keep them but stop kidding me telling me you need these for self-defense or hunting and just tell me it's a toy.

Why do you think of it as a toy?

You need an Assault Rifle for home defense when a shotgun does the same job?

You need an assault rifle for hunting? What on earth are you hunting that requires a weapon as powerful as that?

#1: What the hell gives ANYONE the right to tell another person what they can or can't use to protect themselves and their family? How that fark is it anyone's business what I choose to use to defend myself?

#2: You obviously have NO CLUE about the weapons that you live in fear of. A .223 round, while useful for hunting coyotes, smaller game, and yes, DEER as well, is still far weaker than almost all hunting rifle rounds that most hunters use. Give a 300 WinMag round a try sometime. Makes a .223 seem like Ralphie's eye remover.

I want to use a tactical nuke to defend my family.

You got a problem with that?

Ha ha. Good one. Try again.

OK, I want to put landmines in my yard to keep intruders out.

How can that be a problem?


Now you're just being a bad comedian.
 
2013-01-27 02:41:03 PM  

DogBoyTheCat: Yes, a shotgun does the same job as an assault rifle... on the first a**hole... the problem is it'll take me 10 seconds to reload my double-barrel breech-loader for the second a**hole. And I can't very well reload while I'm clubbing him with it, can I? And if there's a 3rd or 4th a**hole waiting? I'd rather have a 30 round clip, thank you.


Wow, sounds like you get in a lot of combat situations.
 
2013-01-27 02:42:07 PM  

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: Have you ever carried an M1 with a appropriate amount of ammunition? What about a M1911?

The answer is very clear if you had.

Never-mind the reliability issue.


So you're saying there is a difference between a semi-automatic rifle, like say the AR-15, and a semi-automatic pistol?
 
2013-01-27 02:43:16 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: Mrtraveler01: No you don't, it's just a toy. I'm perfectly fine with you guys wanting to keep them but stop kidding me telling me you need these for self-defense or hunting and just tell me it's a toy.

Why do you think of it as a toy?

You need an Assault Rifle for home defense when a shotgun does the same job?

You need an assault rifle for hunting? What on earth are you hunting that requires a weapon as powerful as that?


You have a car that can go 120 mph? What on earth do you need a car that can go 120 mph for, the speed limit is 65. You should be okay with your car having a regulator installed that prevents it from going faster than 65 mph.
 
2013-01-27 02:44:08 PM  

3StratMan: Actually... soldiers are quite often issued both handguns AND M16's.


But if there's 'no difference', then why not just pistols then? It'd save us a lot of money right there.
 
2013-01-27 02:44:31 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Chicago - 2.7 million population - 506 homicides

Detroit - 705,000 population - 411 homicides


Canada - 34 million population - 158 homicides
 
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