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(The Eagle Tribune)   15 years after the great tobacco industry settlement less money than ever is being spent to stop smoking   (eagletribune.com) divider line 28
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2013-01-27 01:28:59 PM
2 votes:
Here's the crazy thing. Smoking does not improve tax income, but to understand that you have to look at how opportunity cost really works..

Smokers:
Pay tax on what they smoke.
Pay lots of money to health insurance.
Have more sick days and are generally less productive (Cigarette breaks, less physically fit etc)
Retire earlier and die sooner

Non Smokers:
Don't pay tax on something they don't buy
Live longer and earn more money as a result
Pay more income tax
Provide more added value into society

And it's this last one that does it. The arguments about smoking making more money is the sort of stupid thinking that only looks at the money. Money is not made, it is pushed around, it is zero-sum. Value, on the other hand, can be created and consumed. It doesn't matter how much you push the money around, if the workforce have fewer productive years, the net effect is less overall value. The money will simply revalue to reflect its value in time.
2013-01-27 12:22:33 PM
2 votes:
Yeah, in MN they used most of the money to plug up unrelated debts and government projects.

In the heyday of the money, I called the new "Smoking Cessation Hotline" to see about getting some patches or gum as I did not have a lot of money and was trying to quit. They said they don't offer those but they would write down my name and number and call me every few days to remind me how important it is to quit smoking.

Money well spent.
2013-01-27 10:01:03 PM
1 votes:
i47.tinypic.com

it'z verking!
2013-01-27 07:58:01 PM
1 votes:
If people don't know by now that smoking is bad for them, then all the money in the world spent on tv ads isn't going to do any good.

Its like living on fast food. If people want to do that to themselves, then fark'em.
2013-01-27 06:01:53 PM
1 votes:
CSB: I was walking on an El platform one morning when a guy down a ways was smoking. Technically you're not supposed to smoke there, but whatever. It's outside. Anyway, another guy walks by him and starts faux-coughing like he's in a gas chamber. Guess which of the two I more wanted to push onto the tracks?
2013-01-27 04:38:29 PM
1 votes:
Smokers cost society less. Die much earlier and much more quickly. Savings on: health care (yes, really), social security, retirement/pensions. And they pay insane taxes.
Not that I'd encourage it, but govt quietly is.
2013-01-27 04:32:19 PM
1 votes:

LavenderWolf: Surpheon: lstywnch: "OMG That stinks and you stink and I hate you because you stink!!" One is a very adult thing to say, and one sounds like a third grader.

More like "You smell like shiat and I hate you because you are smearing that shiat smell into my clothes and hair. I don't actually hate smokers, but they have no clue how strong and persistent that smell is. (Talking cigarettes; there are some fine smelling pipes and cigars out there.)

There are two kinds of non-smokers.

Non-smokers and anti-smokers. A non-smoker doesn't give a shiat. An anti-smoker smells it absolutely everywhere. I only started smoking about 5 years ago, and not once in the preceding 21 years did I experience anything like the massive stench you describe.


well some people like it up the ass
some people don't
2013-01-27 03:56:08 PM
1 votes:

Surpheon: lstywnch: "OMG That stinks and you stink and I hate you because you stink!!" One is a very adult thing to say, and one sounds like a third grader.

More like "You smell like shiat and I hate you because you are smearing that shiat smell into my clothes and hair. I don't actually hate smokers, but they have no clue how strong and persistent that smell is. (Talking cigarettes; there are some fine smelling pipes and cigars out there.)


There are two kinds of non-smokers.

Non-smokers and anti-smokers. A non-smoker doesn't give a shiat. An anti-smoker smells it absolutely everywhere. I only started smoking about 5 years ago, and not once in the preceding 21 years did I experience anything like the massive stench you describe.
2013-01-27 02:40:03 PM
1 votes:

jenlen: And most of the laws and bullshiat we put up with stems from one thing, mentioned in a reply to my earlier post above: it stinks, to non-smokers. They don't like the smell. There is the source of ninety percent of the smoking bans.


I tend to agree with you. It's completely different for someone to say, "I truly believe you standing there and smoking is affecting my health adversely and would appreciate you not doing it around me," than it is to say, "OMG That stinks and you stink and I hate you because you stink!!" One is a very adult thing to say, and one sounds like a third grader.
2013-01-27 02:35:24 PM
1 votes:
lstywnch:  Even better, the one woman who led the charge and crusaded to have the ordinance put in place has since left town. There really is just no pleasing some people.

Heh, I think she moved here... I've seen her ilk crusading everywhere for the past twenty years. After they win, they move on to find fresh prey. It's not about smoking in and of itself, really, with people like that. It is about you, and you doing something that gives you pleasure that they do not approve of. Puritans, more or less.

And most of the laws and bullshiat we put up with stems from one thing, mentioned in a reply to my earlier post above: it stinks, to non-smokers. They don't like the smell. There is the source of ninety percent of the smoking bans.
2013-01-27 02:33:11 PM
1 votes:
The most rabid anti smoking assholes that I know, the ones who rail the most about second hand smoke, are all heavy pot smokers. They are firmly convinced smoking pot is good for them and nothing bad will ever come from it.
2013-01-27 02:26:43 PM
1 votes:

jenlen: I know it is politically incorrect to admit this, these days, but... I LOVE to smoke. There, I said it. Boo, hiss, etc.

/wishes it were legal to shoot annoying anti-smokers who cough and wave at a smoker 50 feet away


I have days where I like it and days that I don't really.
The city outlawed smoking in the bars here. The first thing that happened was people stood in front of the bars and smoked, and threw butts and ash all over the place, because the city council neglected to put any sort of butt receptacle anywhere around the bars. So they spent a ton of money to attach ash trays to the garbage cans and street posts That took care of the litter problem. However, the ordinance says you must be 10 feet away from doors and windows. The majority of said ash trays are less than 6 feet from doors and windows. The police here said they wouldn't enforce the ordinance. Fast forward to more recently, the same people who complained about people smoking in the bars now complain that they have to walk through a wall of smoke to get into the bar. Even better, the one woman who led the charge and crusaded to have the ordinance put in place has since left town. There really is just no pleasing some people.
2013-01-27 02:14:47 PM
1 votes:

lstywnch: A Terrible Human: As a smoker who currently has no cigarettes and a e-cig I can tell you that it's just not the same at all. Yeah the nicotine in the electronic cigarette keeps me from being a biatch but dammit there's no satisfaction in it.

I tried it and found that I had it out constantly. And yeah, it's not the same, but it does help fight the urge to choke the living shiat out of some jack ass.


Exactly. Might as well do the Real Thing.

I know it is politically incorrect to admit this, these days, but... I LOVE to smoke. There, I said it. Boo, hiss, etc.

/wishes it were legal to shoot annoying anti-smokers who cough and wave at a smoker 50 feet away
2013-01-27 01:57:39 PM
1 votes:

pivazena: /slipped up on Friday and bought a pack. Smoked one, broke the rest in half and tossed them.
//not worth it.


That's awesome. I never smoked but I'm a drunk and so I know you're a bad ass for doing that. Every time you think about smoking, remember how shiatty it makes you feel afterwards.
2013-01-27 01:56:21 PM
1 votes:

skinink: "Provide more added value into society..."

Oh, you mean like those non smokers who didn't get the flu shots this year and were sick and constantly out of the office, or the co-worker who has gastrointestinal problems that kept her out of the office for two months minimum, or the overweight co-worker who's had a running tab of medical issues lately? They all provided more added value into society.

You're farked.


On average, yes, it's not like smoking on top of their problems would've helped any of them is it? "More" doesn't necessarily mean "Positive" though.
2013-01-27 01:52:12 PM
1 votes:
I smoked occasionally (weekends, at bars) for the past 5 years and started smoking regularly about a year and a half ago, and quit two months ago.  I'm glad I did, it was hard enough and I don't know what it'd be like if I had smoked more or for longer.

/slipped up on Friday and bought a pack.  Smoked one, broke the rest in half and tossed them.
//not worth it.
2013-01-27 01:47:33 PM
1 votes:
Cigarettes? Yech. I say ban them

myarmiscompleteagain.files.wordpress.com

These on the other hand...
2013-01-27 01:45:41 PM
1 votes:

skinink: "Provide more added value into society..."

Oh, you mean like those non smokers who didn't get the flu shots this year and were sick and constantly out of the office, or the co-worker who has gastrointestinal problems that kept her out of the office for two months minimum, or the overweight co-worker who's had a running tab of medical issues lately? They all provided more added value into society.

You're farked.


Are you implying that we smokers are some how immune to those things? Sweet!

/Not really sure why I still do except 'I like it', the plan is to quit before kids or whenever I just feel like stopping, which-ever comes first.
2013-01-27 01:44:13 PM
1 votes:

A Terrible Human: Mugato: Why don't smokers get those electronic cigarettes? They still have nicotine, you can smoke them anywhere and they have flavors and shiat. And you still get to suck on that phallic thing in your mouth.

As a smoker who currently has no cigarettes and a e-cig I can tell you that it's just not the same at all. Yeah the nicotine in the electronic cigarette keeps me from being a biatch but dammit there's no satisfaction in it.


Have you considered taking up public farting?  It's almost as annoying and gross as smoking but without all that pesky lung cancer.
2013-01-27 01:39:47 PM
1 votes:
As someone has already pointed out. The smoking rates have plummeted. The anti tobacco legislation that was passed such as no smoking in bars/clubs and going as far as public parks in NYC has made it really inconvenient to be a smoker. The anti tobacco people won.
2013-01-27 01:39:25 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: Why don't smokers get those electronic cigarettes? They still have nicotine, you can smoke them anywhere and they have flavors and shiat. And you still get to suck on that phallic thing in your mouth.


Because you can't throw an e-cig on the ground to show your contempt for society and non-smokers.
2013-01-27 01:34:41 PM
1 votes:

ZAZ: Why don't smokers get those electronic cigarettes? They still have nicotine, you can smoke them anywhere

Framingham, Mass. recently banned them on town property and other towns in the area will follow. (http://www.wickedlocal.com/hudson/news/lifestyle/health/x1058235615/ Me troWest-moving-toward-healthier-choices)


what the actual fark
2013-01-27 01:31:13 PM
1 votes:

mantafirefly: Have more sick days and are generally less productive (Cigarette breaks, less physically fit etc)


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2013-01-27 01:29:54 PM
1 votes:
A lot fewer people smoke. It's quickly reached the point of diminishing returns to spend money, and the social stigma has done its job.

www.willisms.com

Adults can do what they want, well at least they can smoke tobacco and drink. Let them. We don't have much else.
2013-01-27 01:20:43 PM
1 votes:
15 years after the great tobacco industry settlement less money than ever is being spent to stop smoking

That's because the problem was solved.
2013-01-27 01:18:06 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: Why don't smokers get those electronic cigarettes? They still have nicotine, you can smoke them anywhere and they have flavors and shiat. And you still get to suck on that phallic thing in your mouth.


As a smoker who currently has no cigarettes and a e-cig I can tell you that it's just not the same at all. Yeah the nicotine in the electronic cigarette keeps me from being a biatch but dammit there's no satisfaction in it.
2013-01-27 01:16:08 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: Why don't smokers get those electronic cigarettes? They still have nicotine, you can smoke them anywhere and they have flavors and shiat. And you still get to suck on that phallic thing in your mouth.


Because the fact that smoking is bad for you is what makes it so cool. Smoking an electronic cigarette is like riding around on a motorcycle with training wheels.
2013-01-27 11:17:43 AM
1 votes:
nobody ever wants this country to stop smoking - it's far too profitable.  states make bank off tobacco sales taxes, the tobacco companies themselves have a customer base that is literally addicted to their product and finds it difficult to quit smoking.  incidentally, the fact that tobacco companies actually researched ways to make their product MORE addictive pisses me the hell off.  that makes 'em little different from drug pushers or Colombian cartels in my book.  Anyways, nobody wants customers to stop smoking.  sure, making people healthy plays well on the evening news but lets face it - if the choice is between spending money on various/sundry pork barrel projects or funding medical treatment for addicted smokers...the money is gonna go to the pork barrel projects hands down no question.
 
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