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2013-01-27 02:03:14 PM  
Not in my city. Idiots in the city council banned smoking in indoor businesses, INCLUDING TOBACCO SHOPS, and also BANNED electronic cigarettes, even after they went to the city council & showd that e-cigarettes CONTAIN NOTHING BUT WATER VAPOR.....morons.

Mugato: Why don't smokers get those electronic cigarettes? They still have nicotine, you can smoke them anywhere

 
2013-01-27 02:05:54 PM  

pivazena: I smoked occasionally (weekends, at bars) for the past 5 years and started smoking regularly about a year and a half ago, and quit two months ago.  I'm glad I did, it was hard enough and I don't know what it'd be like if I had smoked more or for longer.

/slipped up on Friday and bought a pack.  Smoked one, broke the rest in half and tossed them.
//not worth it.


I slipped up a year after I stopped and got five into the pack before I realized how sick they were making me feel.  I gave the rest of mine to a roommate, because I just couldn't deal with wasting the $7 or so bucks.

Every time I feel the desire, I think back to that day.

/every time the smokers I work with step out for one, I ask them to smoke one for me as well
 
2013-01-27 02:05:55 PM  
Me too. I farted until my late thirties but got sick of getting sick and quit.
 
2013-01-27 02:05:59 PM  

Weaver95: nobody ever wants this country to stop smoking - it's far too profitable.  states make bank off tobacco sales taxes, the tobacco companies themselves have a customer base that is literally addicted to their product and finds it difficult to quit smoking.  incidentally, the fact that tobacco companies actually researched ways to make their product MORE addictive pisses me the hell off.  that makes 'em little different from drug pushers or Colombian cartels in my book.  Anyways, nobody wants customers to stop smoking.  sure, making people healthy plays well on the evening news but lets face it - if the choice is between spending money on various/sundry pork barrel projects or funding medical treatment for addicted smokers...the money is gonna go to the pork barrel projects hands down no question.


I inherited a few shares of RAI stock in 2008 when my grandmother died, and it's one of the only ones that's gone up and stayed there since the crash. The only reason I haven't dumped it yet is because it's the only one paying dividends and I don't have other income to invest (I buy other stocks with it). My sister and I can't even figure out why she had it since her brother died of lung cancer, but we think maybe she also inherited it.

Either I dump it if I have a major financial issue come up, or as soon as I get a real job... I dislike having a stake in that business.
 
2013-01-27 02:08:11 PM  

p51d007: Not in my city. Idiots in the city council banned smoking in indoor businesses, INCLUDING TOBACCO SHOPS, and also BANNED electronic cigarettes, even after they went to the city council & showd that e-cigarettes CONTAIN NOTHING BUT WATER VAPOR.....morons.


And nicotine.  Moron.
 
2013-01-27 02:09:19 PM  

A Terrible Human: As a smoker who currently has no cigarettes and a e-cig I can tell you that it's just not the same at all. Yeah the nicotine in the electronic cigarette keeps me from being a biatch but dammit there's no satisfaction in it.


I tried it and found that I had it out constantly. And yeah, it's not the same, but it does help fight the urge to choke the living shiat out of some jack ass.
 
2013-01-27 02:11:36 PM  

jotamono: AcneVulgaris: Why should it cost anything to stop smoking?

Step one: Stop smoking.


If you fail, you'll die off eventually.

You're gonna die if you don't smoke too.


The more radical anti-smokers think that they will, indeed, live forever if they can just stay clear of secondhand smoke. True fact!
 
2013-01-27 02:12:44 PM  
I quit smoking in June.

Here's what I did.

I stopped buying them.
 
2013-01-27 02:14:22 PM  
So what? Society is still paying for smoker's health care, tobacco taxes go into the pot that is depleted by that expense, and the higher per-pack costs reduce the number of smokers. I fail to see a problem here. The higher per pack cost and no-smoking zone laws are cheap (or revenue positive) steps that make a real difference. The advertising and hotlines are of dubious value.

I irrationally hate smoking, but I think how the state handles tobacco is an excellent model for how it should handle a large majority of drugs (marijuana, LSD, cocaine). Regulate the hell out of to the point that the only person it conceivably is going to hurt is the individual, and then tax it heavily to cover the costs that it will still accrue to society.
 
2013-01-27 02:14:47 PM  

lstywnch: A Terrible Human: As a smoker who currently has no cigarettes and a e-cig I can tell you that it's just not the same at all. Yeah the nicotine in the electronic cigarette keeps me from being a biatch but dammit there's no satisfaction in it.

I tried it and found that I had it out constantly. And yeah, it's not the same, but it does help fight the urge to choke the living shiat out of some jack ass.


Exactly. Might as well do the Real Thing.

I know it is politically incorrect to admit this, these days, but... I LOVE to smoke. There, I said it. Boo, hiss, etc.

/wishes it were legal to shoot annoying anti-smokers who cough and wave at a smoker 50 feet away
 
2013-01-27 02:20:45 PM  

jenlen: I know it is politically incorrect to admit this, these days, but... I LOVE to smoke.


Sure, it's not like smoking is still the lazy filmmaker's way of marking the badass protagonist, or that chomping a cigar is the Rich White Man's way to be daringly rebellious.

Please. Get over your persecution complex. Anti-smokers don't like smokers because after your nose starts working again stale cigarette smoke smells as appealing as the passed out drunk hobo with diarrhea soaked pants on the subway.
 
2013-01-27 02:23:20 PM  
They can make people stop smoking by mandating that they be shaped like a penis.
Can't wait for the Tobacco companies to sue for their money back because of state fraud.
 
2013-01-27 02:26:43 PM  

jenlen: I know it is politically incorrect to admit this, these days, but... I LOVE to smoke. There, I said it. Boo, hiss, etc.

/wishes it were legal to shoot annoying anti-smokers who cough and wave at a smoker 50 feet away


I have days where I like it and days that I don't really.
The city outlawed smoking in the bars here. The first thing that happened was people stood in front of the bars and smoked, and threw butts and ash all over the place, because the city council neglected to put any sort of butt receptacle anywhere around the bars. So they spent a ton of money to attach ash trays to the garbage cans and street posts That took care of the litter problem. However, the ordinance says you must be 10 feet away from doors and windows. The majority of said ash trays are less than 6 feet from doors and windows. The police here said they wouldn't enforce the ordinance. Fast forward to more recently, the same people who complained about people smoking in the bars now complain that they have to walk through a wall of smoke to get into the bar. Even better, the one woman who led the charge and crusaded to have the ordinance put in place has since left town. There really is just no pleasing some people.
 
2013-01-27 02:33:11 PM  
The most rabid anti smoking assholes that I know, the ones who rail the most about second hand smoke, are all heavy pot smokers. They are firmly convinced smoking pot is good for them and nothing bad will ever come from it.
 
2013-01-27 02:34:55 PM  
This thread just decided my movie choice for the afternoon.

www.badmovieplanet.com
 
2013-01-27 02:35:24 PM  
lstywnch:  Even better, the one woman who led the charge and crusaded to have the ordinance put in place has since left town. There really is just no pleasing some people.

Heh, I think she moved here... I've seen her ilk crusading everywhere for the past twenty years. After they win, they move on to find fresh prey. It's not about smoking in and of itself, really, with people like that. It is about you, and you doing something that gives you pleasure that they do not approve of. Puritans, more or less.

And most of the laws and bullshiat we put up with stems from one thing, mentioned in a reply to my earlier post above: it stinks, to non-smokers. They don't like the smell. There is the source of ninety percent of the smoking bans.
 
2013-01-27 02:35:40 PM  
Less money than ever? Really?
 
2013-01-27 02:38:01 PM  

lstywnch: Fast forward to more recently, the same people who complained about people smoking in the bars now complain that they have to walk through a wall of smoke to get into the bar.


People who hated smoke in bars now hate to walk through a wall of smoke to get into a bar? Quick, call Ric Romero!
 
2013-01-27 02:40:03 PM  

jenlen: And most of the laws and bullshiat we put up with stems from one thing, mentioned in a reply to my earlier post above: it stinks, to non-smokers. They don't like the smell. There is the source of ninety percent of the smoking bans.


I tend to agree with you. It's completely different for someone to say, "I truly believe you standing there and smoking is affecting my health adversely and would appreciate you not doing it around me," than it is to say, "OMG That stinks and you stink and I hate you because you stink!!" One is a very adult thing to say, and one sounds like a third grader.
 
2013-01-27 02:41:17 PM  
jenlen: it stinks, to non-smokers. They don't like the smell.

Bingo. Unresolved childhood issues about the grandpa who fell over dead from it (and there were an awful lot who did) is often a factor, but the aggressiveness of the smell is a big factor too. If you hang out around smokers for an hour, your clothes smell like smoke until you wash them. It's actually worse than the crap and alcohol bum smell - that doesn't cling.
 
2013-01-27 02:43:23 PM  

lstywnch: "OMG That stinks and you stink and I hate you because you stink!!" One is a very adult thing to say, and one sounds like a third grader.


More like "You smell like shiat and I hate you because you are smearing that shiat smell into my clothes and hair. I don't actually hate smokers, but they have no clue how strong and persistent that smell is. (Talking cigarettes; there are some fine smelling pipes and cigars out there.)
 
2013-01-27 02:46:53 PM  
I think they're just waiting for them all to die off.
 
2013-01-27 02:47:10 PM  

Surpheon: People who hated smoke in bars now hate to walk through a wall of smoke to get into a bar? Quick, call Ric Romero!


I just find it amusing. No ratsin' frackin' smokers are gonna get in the way of me getting my drunk on!
 
2013-01-27 02:49:37 PM  

lstywnch: jenlen:
Oooh, thank you :)

 
2013-01-27 02:51:14 PM  

Surpheon: lstywnch: "OMG That stinks and you stink and I hate you because you stink!!" One is a very adult thing to say, and one sounds like a third grader.

More like "You smell like shiat and I hate you because you are smearing that shiat smell into my clothes and hair. I don't actually hate smokers, but they have no clue how strong and persistent that smell is. (Talking cigarettes; there are some fine smelling pipes and cigars out there.)

More like "You smell like shiat and I hate you because you are smearing that shiat smell into my clothes and hair." I don't actually hate smokers Axe-users, but they have no clue how strong and persistent that smell is.


Anyone can complain about odors or scents, ya know.

I've not had any complaints in my adult life about my "stench" as a smoker. Most people are actually polite or, gasp, don't care? I was told in grade school that I smelled like an ashtray (thanks Mom!). Third graders, indeed.
 
2013-01-27 02:52:46 PM  

lstywnch: lstywnch: jenlen:
Oooh, thank you :)


High-five for putting up with the shiat these days just because you smoke :)
 
2013-01-27 02:56:12 PM  

Surpheon: lstywnch: "OMG That stinks and you stink and I hate you because you stink!!" One is a very adult thing to say, and one sounds like a third grader.

More like "You smell like shiat and I hate you because you are smearing that shiat smell into my clothes and hair. I don't actually hate smokers, but they have no clue how strong and persistent that smell is. (Talking cigarettes; there are some fine smelling pipes and cigars out there.)


After I quit, I was farking astounded at how much everything in my house smelled.  Granted, I was being *really* dumb and smoking indoors (ew).  But about a month after I quit, I ended up moving to a new house.  I'd open up boxes as I was unpacking and be totally floored at how the smell was lingering.

5 loads of laundry and two bottles of febreeze later, I think we're good
 
2013-01-27 02:58:12 PM  
I resent the fact that the powers to be seem to think it's OK to tax people, high enough, to modify their behavior.
If they don't like a particular product, just tax it high enough until people quit using that legal product.
Don't like smog? Let's tax gasoline an extra $1 per gallon, claim it's for smog reduction. Too many people are using alcohol on the weekends, let's tax every can of beer, bottle of whisky, a few more bucks to offset the cost of having police respond to alcohol related incidents. Fat people should pay more at the fast food chains, because they are fat and we want them to be healthy.
The list could go on and on, but the bottom line is it's just plain wrong to implement excessive taxes on anything, just because you don't happen to agree with it.
It's also funny that the article didn't mention that some states sold their master settlement agreement funds years ago to investment groups for a lump sum of cash. So funds slated for their state are no longer available. They already spent the money.
 
2013-01-27 03:02:03 PM  

pivazena: After I quit, I was farking astounded at how much everything in my house smelled. Granted, I was being *really* dumb and smoking indoors (ew). But about a month after I quit, I ended up moving to a new house. I'd open up boxes as I was unpacking and be totally floored at how the smell was lingering.

5 loads of laundry and two bottles of febreeze later, I think we're good


I'm not denying it's offensive. But there are other things that are just as offensive that people don't get all up in arms and start talking "Let's ban shiat" about. Heavily scented body sprays come to mind. Those also cause breathing problems and migarine headaches for folks, but I haven't recently seen any move to tax them and legislate them out of existence.
 
2013-01-27 03:02:40 PM  

Weaver95: nobody ever wants this country to stop smoking - it's far too profitable.  states make bank off tobacco sales taxes, the tobacco companies themselves have a customer base that is literally addicted to their product and finds it difficult to quit smoking.  incidentally, the fact that tobacco companies actually researched ways to make their product MORE addictive pisses me the hell off.  that makes 'em little different from drug pushers or Colombian cartels in my book.  Anyways, nobody wants customers to stop smoking.  sure, making people healthy plays well on the evening news but lets face it - if the choice is between spending money on various/sundry pork barrel projects or funding medical treatment for addicted smokers...the money is gonna go to the pork barrel projects hands down no question.


Blue Cross Blue Shield wants you to stop smoking, and they sure as Hell have more influence then some surgeon. ..
 
2013-01-27 03:20:08 PM  

jenlen: I don't actually hate smokers Axe-users, but they have no clue how strong and persistent that smell is.

Anyone can complain about odors or scents, ya know.


I have never in my life been around anyone so doused in AXE or perfume that their smell permeates my clothes until I wash them. Ever.

As I said, smokers just don't seem to understand know (they can't, their nose is literally unable to smell it) how persistent and strong the smell of cigarette smoke is. Blowing cigarette smoke at someone is the same as spraying them with your favorite bottle of AXE as far as the phyisical disposition of persistent odor particulate is concerned.

lstywnch: Heavily scented body sprays come to mind. Those also cause breathing problems and migarine headaches for folks


They do not cause breathing problems to the same extent as cigarette smoke. And as I've mentioned before, unless you are literally spraying that shiat on people around you, it is not as persistent. Smoking around someone is the same as literally spraying them with a can of AXE spray - which is illegal BTW. The products of combustion permeate fabrics and hair and require washing to remove them. That is just not true of standing next to an over perfumed grandma, hipster, douche or douche hipster grandma.
 
2013-01-27 03:27:16 PM  

Surpheon: As I said, smokers just don't seem to understand know


Doh, I meant to say "As I said, smokers just don't seem to understand know..."

Markup fail.
 
2013-01-27 03:27:17 PM  
Cannot. resist.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-27 03:29:08 PM  
And whyinell should TFH surprise anyone? Who can stop it besides gubbermint, and who in gubbermint is going to try and stop it when it provides so much revenue? Which continues to be increased?

/that is all
 
2013-01-27 03:30:16 PM  
Never sat next to an over perfumed grandma, hipster, douche or douche hipster grandma on an airplane have you?
 
2013-01-27 03:34:09 PM  

A Terrible Human: Mugato: Why don't smokers get those electronic cigarettes? They still have nicotine, you can smoke them anywhere and they have flavors and shiat. And you still get to suck on that phallic thing in your mouth.

As a smoker who currently has no cigarettes and a e-cig I can tell you that it's just not the same at all. Yeah the nicotine in the electronic cigarette keeps me from being a biatch but dammit there's no satisfaction in it.


Spend more money on the equipment. That was the first thing I learned doing the research and it seems to be the difference. I've got premium kit with a refillable tank. The cartomizers were cool for a while but the tank is a big step up in smoothness. Just ordered a pass through so I only need batteries for traveling.
I smoked for 20 years.
 
2013-01-27 03:35:53 PM  

mantafirefly: Now compare that to the amount of money they paid towards their medical costs through taxation in that time.


Well they pay more in insurance, and they pay (probably) $2.50 a day in taxes. Let's just say a grand a year on average. Smoke for 40 years, thats 40K, which if used wisely by the government (it isn't) would go a long ways towards offsetting the costs, not to mention the aforementioned increased health premiums. Add to that the fact that they die earlier and don't get most (if any) of the social security they paid in, they are probably a net positive on the system.

Plus as a (now) non-smoker I can't even get non-smoking rates. Why? Because I've used the gum and the patch, which (to insurance companies) still makes me a smoker until a year from the date I last used either of these. Use an e-cig? To an insurance company you are a smoker.

I really hope they legalize pot everywhere and tax the everliving shiat out of it, making it more expensive than it is now.
 
2013-01-27 03:49:27 PM  

Mugato: Why don't smokers get those electronic cigarettes? They still have nicotine, you can smoke them anywhere and they have flavors and shiat. And you still get to suck on that phallic thing in your mouth.


Because I hate myself and I'm killing myself in the only way I have the stones for.
 
2013-01-27 03:56:08 PM  

Surpheon: lstywnch: "OMG That stinks and you stink and I hate you because you stink!!" One is a very adult thing to say, and one sounds like a third grader.

More like "You smell like shiat and I hate you because you are smearing that shiat smell into my clothes and hair. I don't actually hate smokers, but they have no clue how strong and persistent that smell is. (Talking cigarettes; there are some fine smelling pipes and cigars out there.)


There are two kinds of non-smokers.

Non-smokers and anti-smokers. A non-smoker doesn't give a shiat. An anti-smoker smells it absolutely everywhere. I only started smoking about 5 years ago, and not once in the preceding 21 years did I experience anything like the massive stench you describe.
 
2013-01-27 04:01:20 PM  

mjbok: mantafirefly: Now compare that to the amount of money they paid towards their medical costs through taxation in that time.

Well they pay more in insurance, and they pay (probably) $2.50 a day in taxes. Let's just say a grand a year on average. Smoke for 40 years, thats 40K, which if used wisely by the government (it isn't) would go a long ways towards offsetting the costs, not to mention the aforementioned increased health premiums. Add to that the fact that they die earlier and don't get most (if any) of the social security they paid in, they are probably a net positive on the system.

Plus as a (now) non-smoker I can't even get non-smoking rates. Why? Because I've used the gum and the patch, which (to insurance companies) still makes me a smoker until a year from the date I last used either of these. Use an e-cig? To an insurance company you are a smoker.

I really hope they legalize pot everywhere and tax the everliving shiat out of it, making it more expensive than it is now.


Actually, that's stupid.

Weed is so simple and easy to grow high yield crops, you can sell it at 1/4 of street cost at 50% taxation and still make a profit.
 
2013-01-27 04:10:42 PM  

Surpheon: I have never in my life been around anyone so doused in AXE or perfume that their smell permeates my clothes until I wash them. Ever.


You haven't dated much, or even gone to strip clubs at all then.

Everyone leaves a scent behind if they're close enough, bedsheets to clothes to chairs. BO to perfumes. Yes, BO, not necessarily stank, but just smell. Skin has a smell, as does hair.

Either that or your nose is practically dead but sensitive to a few things.

Me, I'm a smoker and have a great sense of smell. Despite what you apparently think, all people, regardless of habits, have varying degrees of how well they can see, feel, smell, and taste. Some may be affected slightly, some more so, some not at all, and some are super sensitive to some things, and some are sensitive to everything.

Surpheon: I have never in my life been around anyone so doused in AXE or perfume that their smell permeates my clothes until I wash them. Ever.

As I said, smokers just don't seem to understand know (they can't, their nose is literally unable to smell it) how persistent and strong the smell of cigarette smoke is. Blowing cigarette smoke at someone


Between your ignorance, prejudice, and willingness to voice your opinions, I can understand why you're so well informed on how smoke blown at you can linger.
 
2013-01-27 04:13:10 PM  

Surpheon: They do not cause breathing problems to the same extent as cigarette smoke. And as I've mentioned before, unless you are literally spraying that shiat on people around you, it is not as persistent.


Eh.... I have to say, though cigs linger like crazy, there's some perfumes that are just awful.  My bosses, an older couple, seem to try to out-do each other in their old-lady perfume and old man musk cologne to the point that I can tell whether they were in my office half an hour after they left.  Male boss was being nice and gave me a ceramic travel mug with one of those silicone tops that was gathering dust in his office, and I *never* got the smell of that cologne out of the top.

But yes, cig smoke is bad, and I can say personally that I didn't realize how bad I smelled.
 
2013-01-27 04:17:12 PM  

pivazena: I didn't realize how bad I smelled


Oh!  But also, cigerette smoke lingers on different people in different ways.  There are some people where the smell just sticks to them in a horribly pungent way, and there are others where I am SHOCKED to learn that they smoke.  I think that explains a lot of the variation
 
2013-01-27 04:23:32 PM  
My mother died of lung cancer caused from smoking. Specifically caused from smoking. I was with her when the lung doctor told her as such. I never gave up hope that she would beat it. She had a 25% chance. I lived a great life never thinking negative about anyone or anything. I didn't smoke, drink, or do drugs to deal with the stress. I prayed every single night that she would beat it. Then it spread to her brain. That is what killed her. She did beat the lung cancer, but it metastesizing is what killed her. There was nothing but scar tissue left on her lungs. Maybe I shoulda been more specific in my prayers o_O. When it spread to her brain I prayed for a miracle. I did end up getting a cancer miracle. My seven year old nephew was taking to the emergency room, and they did scans on him. He was having pain in his bladder. There was a 'large unknown mass'. He was immediately sent to the Vanderbilt Children's Cancer ward. They had a bed waiting for him and everything. Then the next morning my Mom woke me up to tell me that it wasn't cancer after all. That it was a fairly common occurance amongst children. I got my miracle. My mother was just meant to die. When she was terminal I told myself that something good will come from this. People in my family will realize what smoking does and they will stop. Nobody did. Nobody has.

Point is: Some things are meant to happen, and nicotine is one hell of an addictive drug. The entire business is insidious, because it feeds on addiction. The sort of addiction that sneaks up on a person. Nicotine itself isn't harmful. It's the tobacco plant itself. Sure, the additives make it worse, but even American Spirits can cause cancer just as easily as other cigarettes. The tobacco plant is just toxic.

With the advances in technology it makes me wonder if it's possible to create a tobacco plant that isn't radioactive in its DNA. Anything to make it a little less harmful. I hope the e-cigarette thing catches on. It has been slowly and surely. Despite what the FDA says it really is a safe alternative to smoking cigarettes. Some people use it to quit. Some use it to continue smoking without worrying about lung cancer.

Nicotine, one hell of a drug. Highly addictive, and it does the worse thing possible: It helps. It helps a lot.

I know this was too damn long for most to read, but that's my story. Stop while you can. Don't leave your children without a mother.
 
2013-01-27 04:29:41 PM  

pivazena: pivazena: I didn't realize how bad I smelled

Oh!  But also, cigerette smoke lingers on different people in different ways.  There are some people where the smell just sticks to them in a horribly pungent way, and there are others where I am SHOCKED to learn that they smoke.  I think that explains a lot of the variation


This. Smoking in the cold or wind can cause it to stick in a different way than a warm/humid environment. You'd think the wind would help get it away, but isn't necessarily the case.

Also field stripping a butt and pocketing it is very nasty, those filters are like a skunks butthole once they cool and sit a few minutes. They emanate the smell constantly and it's a very penetrating smell. If I have to do that I'll pull the cellophane off the pack and wrap it tightly inside, and still get rid of it at the nearest opportunity.

When in the military dorms, I'd use a bowl of nice smelling carpet powder as an ashtray. People were amazed I smoked in my room, constantly asking permission to do so, etc.

Sanitary habits can help a lot as well, washing the face/hands a few times a day can really help reduce any lingering personal smell.
 
2013-01-27 04:32:19 PM  

LavenderWolf: Surpheon: lstywnch: "OMG That stinks and you stink and I hate you because you stink!!" One is a very adult thing to say, and one sounds like a third grader.

More like "You smell like shiat and I hate you because you are smearing that shiat smell into my clothes and hair. I don't actually hate smokers, but they have no clue how strong and persistent that smell is. (Talking cigarettes; there are some fine smelling pipes and cigars out there.)

There are two kinds of non-smokers.

Non-smokers and anti-smokers. A non-smoker doesn't give a shiat. An anti-smoker smells it absolutely everywhere. I only started smoking about 5 years ago, and not once in the preceding 21 years did I experience anything like the massive stench you describe.


well some people like it up the ass
some people don't
 
2013-01-27 04:38:29 PM  
Smokers cost society less. Die much earlier and much more quickly. Savings on: health care (yes, really), social security, retirement/pensions. And they pay insane taxes.
Not that I'd encourage it, but govt quietly is.
 
2013-01-27 04:54:17 PM  
As someone who had my wife of 33 years pass away suddenly a week ago from respiratory failure stemming mainly from 39 years of smoking, I'm having a problem with this.

Not looking for pity, just stating a fact. She tried all of the pills, e-cigarettes,for years, always started back up. I would give everything I have just to have 1 more day with her. It was her only vice. Some of you smokers who read this will suffer the same fate.

Challenge accepted?

go ahead and flame away, I don't give a shiat anymore.
 
2013-01-27 04:58:55 PM  
Maybe smokers could fund their own quit smoking efforts with the money they used to spend on cigarettes.
 
2013-01-27 04:59:19 PM  

Ordinary Average Guy: Challenge accepted?

go ahead and flame away, I don't give a shiat anymore.


Sorry about your loss. Sometimes life doesn't make sense. There was a group of us that were all friends growing up. We all drank, smoked weed, and some of us smoked. Some of us still did. There was one guy who never did any of that stuff. Never smoked, did drugs, or drank (much, he might have had a beer or two, here and there.) At the age of 25 went in for a routine doctor's visit. Lung cancer. Was dead two months later.

//The funny thing is if he had EVER smoked he would be a smoking statistic.
 
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