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(Sun Sentinel)   Synthetic marijuana and bath salts are still easily obtained despite a police crackdown, according to a reporter who did some field research   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 106
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2013-01-27 12:04:24 PM  
In other news, anyone who would use these substances are idiots.

I'm just waiting for 40 years down the road when we have a rash of people with Parkinson's Disease and Personality Disorders.
 
2013-01-27 12:05:50 PM  
I'm just waiting for 40 years down the road when we have a rash of people with Parkinson's Disease and Personality Disorders.

as opposed to now?
 
2013-01-27 12:08:01 PM  
The Mad Hatter brand incense got me really high for a few months. I didn't even smoke real weed. It did the trick.
 
2013-01-27 12:08:22 PM  
authentic marijuana is readily available and easily obtained in WA.

/screw the fake shiat
 
2013-01-27 12:09:05 PM  
Bath Salts; what a stupid nickname for a drug. I wonder how many people have actually snorted Epsom salts or scented crap from a bath store trying to get high?

BronyMedic: You think they will still be alive in 40 years?
 
2013-01-27 12:09:09 PM  
The original version of the fake weed was surprisingly good. It had a pretty identical high, and was created by a chemist at Clemson University. But that was banned, and now it's created by some guy in his garage.

I'm in no way saying its better than weed, but it worked, and you could pass a drug test. I wouldn't touch the stuff out there now.
 
2013-01-27 12:09:12 PM  

goodbomb: as opposed to now?


Well, the substances they're abusing are really unknown as to their long term side effects. We know that long term heavy meth use causes schitzophenia-like symptoms, dementia, and basically wipes your personality out, and that long term heavy ectasy use basically fries the chemoceptors in your brain linked with emotions.

All the formulas for this stuff came out of the research papers some grad student did decades ago, and hit the streets because their chemical structures were altered enough that they could get around the Chemical Analogue Substances Act.
 
2013-01-27 12:10:17 PM  

CruJones: The original version of the fake weed was surprisingly good. It had a pretty identical high, and was created by a chemist at Clemson University.


The whole reason it was created was to study the effects of stimulating various endocannabanoid receptors. It was never intended to get you high, or be used for human consumption.
 
Nib
2013-01-27 12:11:54 PM  
So you're trying to tell me that people will still use drugs even when they're illegal? Yea ok.
 
2013-01-27 12:16:43 PM  

WorkingInParadise: Bath Salts; what a stupid nickname for a drug. I wonder how many people have actually snorted Epsom salts or scented crap from a bath store trying to get high?

BronyMedic: You think they will still be alive in 40 years?


Or, conversely, threw the Bath Salts they got in a nice hot tub and wondered why there were no bubbles or pleasant fragrance.
 
2013-01-27 12:17:29 PM  

Nib: So you're trying to tell me that people will still use drugs even when they're illegal? Yea ok.


they're illegal cause they WANT us to use them.
 
2013-01-27 12:19:06 PM  
My town recently banned the sale of synthetic pot. I couldn't be happier.

Seeing "synthetic pot" heads standing on main street, in front of another store, making a make-shift bowl out of an apple was the low point for me; I stopped shopping for beer at the store that sold that crap. (I twice asked store employees, twenty-somethings, about it. On both occasions they told stay the fark away from it, and that they wouldn't even think about it).

I've never seen people hurting like that for real weed. And from what I've read about the effects, it's not the kind of shiat I want people smoking right on main street.
 
2013-01-27 12:21:20 PM  

BronyMedic: goodbomb: as opposed to now?

Well, the substances they're abusing are really unknown as to their long term side effects. We know that long term heavy meth use causes schitzophenia-like symptoms, dementia, and basically wipes your personality out, and that long term heavy ectasy use basically fries the chemoceptors in your brain linked with emotions.

All the formulas for this stuff came out of the research papers some grad student did decades ago, and hit the streets because their chemical structures were altered enough that they could get around the Chemical Analogue Substances Act.


[citationNeeded.jpg] On the ecstacy comment
 
2013-01-27 12:21:58 PM  

BronyMedic: In other news, anyone who would use these substances are idiots.

I'm just waiting for 40 years down the road when we have a rash of people with Parkinson's Disease and Personality Disorders.


Otherwise known as "The Tea Party"
 
2013-01-27 12:22:53 PM  
Reality.

Humans can't handle it.
 
2013-01-27 12:23:55 PM  
Wonder how many other idiots put contraceptive jelly on a piece of toast, and couldn't figure
out why it tastes so bad LOL.

WorkingInParadise: Bath Salts; what a stupid nickname for a drug. I wonder how many people have actually snorted Epsom salts or scented crap from a bath store trying to get high?

BronyMedic: You think they will still be alive in 40 years?

 
2013-01-27 12:25:52 PM  

BronyMedic: CruJones: The original version of the fake weed was surprisingly good. It had a pretty identical high, and was created by a chemist at Clemson University.

The whole reason it was created was to study the effects of stimulating various endocannabanoid receptors. It was never intended to get you high, or be used for human consumption.


I use Sweet and Low sometimes too. I like to walk on the wild side.
 
2013-01-27 12:27:00 PM  

BronyMedic: and that long term heavy ectasy use basically fries the chemoceptors in your brain linked with emotions.


Wait, what qulifies as "long term heavy ectasy use"?

//citation needed
 
2013-01-27 12:27:27 PM  
Glad I live in Colorado so I have real weed basically on tap. The real thing, while not without side effects, is much safer.
 
2013-01-27 12:29:45 PM  
Wait, so making something illegal doesn't make it go away?

This is bad news...
 
2013-01-27 12:29:49 PM  

Cuthbert Allgood: BronyMedic: and that long term heavy ectasy use basically fries the chemoceptors in your brain linked with emotions.

Wait, what qulifies as "long term heavy ectasy use"?

//citation needed


Citation Given.

It's a safe drug with occasional recreational use. Using it every day, on the other hand, will burn out Serotonin Receptors.
 
2013-01-27 12:30:39 PM  

Cuthbert Allgood: BronyMedic: and that long term heavy ectasy use basically fries the chemoceptors in your brain linked with emotions.

Wait, what qulifies as "long term heavy ectasy use"?

//citation needed


Probably means rolling every day for a long time. Ecstasy is fairly safe for most people when used sparingly.
 
2013-01-27 12:31:01 PM  
@BronymedicI call bullshiat
 
2013-01-27 12:32:09 PM  

BronyMedic: Well, the substances they're abusing are really unknown as to their long term side effects. We know that long term heavy meth use causes schitzophenia-like symptoms, dementia, and basically wipes your personality out, and that long term heavy ectasy use basically fries the chemoceptors in your brain linked with emotions.


Never underestimate the denial and self-delusion of those who use drugs. See, for example the outrage which erupts here if ever scientific research suggests that marijuana could have any detrimental effects ("Typical shills in the pay of big pharma, tobacco companies and the fascist pigs in BATF, man") or that popping opiate painkillers at the slightest medical excuse ("I've got a really sore toe and that means I'm entitled to oxycontin").

Or, indeed, the very large number of heavy drinkers who claim that the aren't alcoholic and could stop any time if they chose to.

I have no particular objection if people want to use pot, heroin, bath salts, miaow-miaow, ecstasy or whatever else the kids are into this week, as long as they don;t as a result harm or threaten me or mine by, for example, driving stoned. That doesn't excuse wilful stupidity and deliberate blindness over the possible or in some case damn-near-certain results.
 
2013-01-27 12:34:11 PM  

aspAddict: Wait, so making something illegal doesn't make it go away?


And making something legal does not (pace tobacco, alcohol) make it safe or sensible.
 
2013-01-27 12:35:00 PM  

orbister: Never underestimate the denial and self-delusion of those who use drugs. See, for example the outrage which erupts here if ever scientific research suggests that marijuana could have any detrimental effects


I see the ecstasy users are twitching with fury already.
 
2013-01-27 12:37:02 PM  

orbister: BronyMedic: Well, the substances they're abusing are really unknown as to their long term side effects. We know that long term heavy meth use causes schitzophenia-like symptoms, dementia, and basically wipes your personality out, and that long term heavy ectasy use basically fries the chemoceptors in your brain linked with emotions.

Never underestimate the denial and self-delusion of those who use drugs. See, for example the outrage which erupts here if ever scientific research suggests that marijuana could have any detrimental effects ("Typical shills in the pay of big pharma, tobacco companies and the fascist pigs in BATF, man") or that popping opiate painkillers at the slightest medical excuse ("I've got a really sore toe and that means I'm entitled to oxycontin").

Or, indeed, the very large number of heavy drinkers who claim that the aren't alcoholic and could stop any time if they chose to.

I have no particular objection if people want to use pot, heroin, bath salts, miaow-miaow, ecstasy or whatever else the kids are into this week, as long as they don;t as a result harm or threaten me or mine by, for example, driving stoned. That doesn't excuse wilful stupidity and deliberate blindness over the possible or in some case damn-near-certain results.


You sound like you would be fun at parties
 
2013-01-27 12:37:20 PM  
 
2013-01-27 12:37:37 PM  
At least when we ban guns, this won't happen, we will all be safe.
 
2013-01-27 12:38:43 PM  

Do_wacka_Do: At least when we ban guns, this won't happen, we will all be safe.


I'll take offtopic threadshiatting for 350, Alex!
 
2013-01-27 12:39:17 PM  

WorkingInParadise: Bath Salts; what a stupid nickname for a drug. I wonder how many people have actually snorted Epsom salts or scented crap from a bath store trying to get high?


Sorta like people smoking joints dipped in formaldehyde because they didnt know "embalming fluid" was another name for pcp.
 
2013-01-27 12:40:58 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: You sound like you would be fun at parties


At parties which don't depend on drug use to give the illusion of a good time, I'm a hoot. Drunks and stoners are incredibly boring if one is neither drunk nor stoned.
 
2013-01-27 12:41:53 PM  

BronyMedic: orbister: I see the ecstasy users are twitching with fury already.

HAH! It's funny because long term, daily ecstasy use is linked with the development of tremors in later life!


Don;t worry about mild Parkinson's disease. It's no great shakes.
 
2013-01-27 12:41:56 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: Ecstasy is fairly safe for most people when used sparingly.


Oh praise the sweet baby Joseph Smith!
 
2013-01-27 12:43:07 PM  

BronyMedic: orbister: I see the ecstasy users are twitching with fury already.

HAH! It's funny because long term, daily ecstasy use is linked with the development of tremors in later life!


That is a study on monkeys not ecstasy users. Slightly disingenuous to say what you said, and I don't know how you can get daily ecstasy use is equivalent to what was given to the monkeys from the abstract as no actual figures are given in said abstract
 
2013-01-27 12:43:50 PM  

orbister: Communist_Manifesto: You sound like you would be fun at parties

At parties which don't depend on drug use to give the illusion of a good time, I'm a hoot. Drunks and stoners are incredibly boring if one is neither drunk nor stoned.


what the fark are you talking about
 
2013-01-27 12:43:59 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: Ecstasy is fairly safe for most people when used sparingly.


Fairly safe?
For most people?
When used sparingly?

That's a whole bundle of equivocation there.
 
2013-01-27 12:45:06 PM  
I used a ton of ecstacy in my 20's and im not much worse for wear.
 
2013-01-27 12:45:51 PM  

Mazzic518: I used a ton of ecstacy in my 20's and im not much worse for wear.


did u drink lots of water too
you might have holes in your brain
 
2013-01-27 12:46:26 PM  

orbister: Never underestimate the denial and self-delusion of those who use drugs.


Never underestimate the self-righteous furor of those who not only don't use drugs, but make a huge point to let everyone else know they don't use drugs.

Like that twunt upthread who was all hot under the collar that someone would dare to smoke synthetic pot out of an apple in public. (Hint: If he knew anything whatsoever about stoners, he'd know this has been around for decades. It actually improves the taste of the smoke, too.)

orbister: See, for example the outrage which erupts here if ever scientific research suggests that marijuana could have any detrimental effects ("Typical shills in the pay of big pharma, tobacco companies and the fascist pigs in BATF, man")


Trying to render the legitimate problem of biased research by those who want something to stay illegal, illegitimate by making fun of it, is kind of a dick move.

The only reason that cannabis isn't legal for everyone right now is that there are some powerful monied interests that want it to stay that way. Pharmaceutical companies are one, and law enforcement/private prison groups are another (or have you a better explanation for the DEA's constant refusal to acknowledge science when it hits them in the face?). Hemp contains some very real benefits over our most common textiles, so we can add that industry in as well.

Tobacco companies, oddly enough, actually stand to make a mint once it goes completely legal. Marlboro famously has trademarks in place on a couple of names for pot cigarattes, and I'd bet large and ridiculous amounts of cash that the others are just waiting for the legislation idiocy to get sorted out before they jump on the bandwagon as well.

orbister: Or, indeed, the very large number of heavy drinkers who claim that the aren't alcoholic and could stop any time if they chose to.


Which despite being a cliche, is also legitimate. I've always wondered how you'd convince a twelve-stepper that you aren't actually addicted to something - saying you aren't addicted is the first sign of an addict, after all.

I love going to McDonalds every now and then for a hamburger, and I could stop any time I choose.

I just don't choose.

orbister: That doesn't excuse wilful stupidity and deliberate blindness over the possible or in some case damn-near-certain results.


So where are these results? Citeplz.
 
2013-01-27 12:47:07 PM  

Mazzic518: I used a ton of ecstacy in my 20's and im not much worse for wear.


That's nice. Leah Betts, on the other hand, died after taking her first ever ecstasy tablet.

Anecdotes, eh?
 
2013-01-27 12:47:22 PM  
FTFA: "One time, I was watching 'How I Met Your Mother' and I did it, and I had the loudest ringing in my ears," said Sam Hathaway, 17, of Pembroke Pines. "I couldn't understand anything going on on that show ... you get really confused."

I blame the TV show.


/bath salt: makes the bathwater tasty
 
2013-01-27 12:48:25 PM  
this thread makes me want to shroom in the mojave...
 
2013-01-27 12:48:53 PM  
i tried the synthetic stuff when my friend was doing it. it tasted terrible and didnt do anything for me other than leave a shiatty taste in my bowl (had to boil it to clean that crap out). I guess some people have different reactions to it, but whatever. It cost more than i pay for good weed, and the only advantage is that you wont fail a drug test. never wanted to do any of the bath salts. no thanks.

this is what happens when you try to ban and hide away marijuana, and to a lesser extent shrooms, E, and LSD. People have historically sought after those kinds of highs, and will continue to do so despite the law. So to circumvent laws against relatively harmless substances, people turn to synthetic stuff that will probaly end up giving them brain cancer.
 
2013-01-27 12:48:57 PM  

orbister: Communist_Manifesto: Ecstasy is fairly safe for most people when used sparingly.

Fairly safe?
For most people?
When used sparingly?

That's a whole bundle of equivocation there.


That applies equally well to cheeseburgers, alcohol, and oxygen. It is a logical fallacy to call those things "safe" as well.
 
2013-01-27 12:49:12 PM  

orbister: Communist_Manifesto: You sound like you would be fun at parties

At parties which don't depend on drug use to give the illusion of a good time, I'm a hoot. Drunks and stoners are incredibly boring if one is neither drunk nor stoned.


How is the view from your tower?
 
2013-01-27 12:49:17 PM  

TsukasaK: Like that twunt upthread who was all hot under the collar that someone would dare to smoke synthetic pot out of an apple in public. (Hint: If he knew anything whatsoever about stoners, he'd know this has been around for decades. It actually improves the taste of the smoke, too.)


Twunt? That's a great way to make a point.

Yeah, apple bowls have been around forever. And I wouldn't have nearly as much a problem had it been real pot, as the effects are quite different.

But seeing as how you are utterly ignorant of that fact, and feel fine throwing around insults, I'll just say get bent, dickhead.
 
2013-01-27 12:50:30 PM  
@orbisterA subsequent inquest determined that her death was actually not directly due to MDMA consumption, but rather the result of the large quantity of water she had consumedDerp
 
2013-01-27 12:51:24 PM  

orbister: That's a whole bundle of equivocation there


Most any chemical has the ability to react in different ways based, upon other things, dosage, biological makeup, age, mental state...

The effects of MDMA are well documented at this point though.

So yes. Fairly safe (a bit more care is required regarding hydration and exertion, there's also the problem of the drug being adulterated by unscrupulous dealers)
for most people (barring those who would be allergic, or otherwise have a bad trip - not every chemical is for everyone. As fun as cannabis is, there are some people who legitimately don't like it!)
used sparingly (MDMA's primary function is to dump all of your feel-good neurochemicals at once. Doing this often isn't good for your health, and ruins the effect of the drug anyways.)
 
2013-01-27 12:53:40 PM  
Well the morons demonized the relatively harmless original drug and now people are dying from the the legal knock off formulations.

Now we have people tripping on Cannibal In A Can and doing all sorts of vile things to themselves and others. Can anyone tell me that just getting high, watching cartoons, and eating Cheetos would have not been better for society.
 
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