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(CNN)   Charlie Rangel (D-NY) wants women to register for the draft, people to stop asking him for a few bars of "Minnie the Moocher"   (cnn.com) divider line 115
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2013-01-27 09:30:15 AM  
Heh - I laughed at the headline. Nice, subby.
 
2013-01-27 09:35:13 AM  
Thanks, subby, that was good! :)
 
2013-01-27 09:43:27 AM  
www.cambridgemainstreet.com
/Approves
 
2013-01-27 09:54:28 AM  
Hidey-hidey-hidey-ho!

/and is there a draft registration now?
//again?
///still?
 
2013-01-27 09:56:49 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Hidey-hidey-hidey-ho!

/and is there a draft registration now?
//again?
///still?


You still have to register for the selective service at 18. There's no reason women shouldn't have to register now.
 
2013-01-27 09:59:42 AM  

GAT_00: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Hidey-hidey-hidey-ho!

/and is there a draft registration now?
//again?
///still?

You still have to register for the selective service at 18. There's no reason women shouldn't have to register now.


I thought even the registration had been done away with for a while at some point

/but yeah, why not?
 
2013-01-27 10:44:32 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I thought even the registration had been done away with for a while at some point


Never.  If they had been done away with, then attention-whore Rangel wouldn't be able to introduce bills to distract from his numerous ethics charges.
 
2013-01-27 10:50:25 AM  

Lsherm: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I thought even the registration had been done away with for a while at some point

Never.  If they had been done away with, then attention-whore Rangel wouldn't be able to introduce bills to distract from his numerous ethics charges.


Rangel's integrity issues aside, the registration requirement was suspended between 1975 and 1980, it appears

/Good to know not all the memory cells are fried yet
 
2013-01-27 11:17:05 AM  
I'm okay with this. Since women now have the ability to serve in combat positions, and other nations already require them to serve, I have no problem.
 
2013-01-27 11:17:16 AM  
Only if Lord Buckley is running the show.
 
2013-01-27 11:22:44 AM  
Even if he was a decorated war veteran, the guy (Rangel) is the very definition of what is wrong with Congress.

His draft sh*t is nonsense. "If we had a draft, then the rich, white people, would not start these wars."

Yeah, no. It doesn't work like that, it's never worked like that.

We'll ignore his numerous financial scandals and such. It's just stupid to keep screaming "A draft Army will stop all the needless wars!" because that's bullsh*t. You idiots doing your goddamn job and not drafting things like the Iraq War Resolution might prevent some wars from occurring.

Go away, Charlie. Please.
 
2013-01-27 11:31:58 AM  
Ladies, with equal rights come equal responsiblities. It's about time females register with Selective Service.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I thought even the registration had been done away with for a while at some point

/but yeah, why not?


Nope, all males between the ages of 18 and 25 must be registered with the Selective Service System. Some states do it automatically when a male applies for a driver's license, some have registars in schools, you can even register at www.sss.gov, but if you do not do it by the time you're 26, you can be denied federal benefits and jobs, not to mention it is a federal offense. Some states, like Ohio, charge males out-of-state tuition rates if they are not registered with SSS.
 
2013-01-27 11:42:00 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Even if he was a decorated war veteran, the guy (Rangel) is the very definition of what is wrong with Congress.

His draft sh*t is nonsense. "If we had a draft, then the rich, white people, would not start these wars."

Yeah, no. It doesn't work like that, it's never worked like that.

We'll ignore his numerous financial scandals and such. It's just stupid to keep screaming "A draft Army will stop all the needless wars!" because that's bullsh*t. You idiots doing your goddamn job and not drafting things like the Iraq War Resolution might prevent some wars from occurring.

Go away, Charlie. Please.


None of which has anything to do with women being required to register for the Selective Service.
 
2013-01-27 11:48:17 AM  

dustman81: Ladies, with equal rights come equal responsiblities. It's about time females register with Selective Service.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I thought even the registration had been done away with for a while at some point

/but yeah, why not?

Nope, all males between the ages of 18 and 25 must be registered with the Selective Service System. Some states do it automatically when a male applies for a driver's license, some have registars in schools, you can even register at www.sss.gov, but if you do not do it by the time you're 26, you can be denied federal benefits and jobs, not to mention it is a federal offense. Some states, like Ohio, charge males out-of-state tuition rates if they are not registered with SSS.


It was suspended between '75 and '80

/but that's from Wiki
//YMMV
///I was 1A with a lottery number of 123, I know how it works
 
2013-01-27 11:57:23 AM  

GAT_00: None of which has anything to do with women being required to register for the Selective Service.


It's what he does. Just not a fan of the dude. Of course they should be made to register, but the entire system is outmoded anyway. We don't live in an era where we would have the time to muster an Army if we really needed one. We'd be nuked, fragged, and disoriented before we even knew what hit us if we really needed a draft-size Army to face a modern threat.

Just save some money and cancel the entire selective service system.
 
2013-01-27 12:11:56 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Rangel's integrity issues aside, the registration requirement was suspended between 1975 and 1980, it appears

/Good to know not all the memory cells are fried yet


Yeah, forgot/never noticed that.  Carter's reintroduction was retroactive, though, so it wasn't much of a break.  I suppose you'd notice if you were one of the ones who didn't have to register for those five years.
 
2013-01-27 12:16:27 PM  

GAT_00: NewportBarGuy: Even if he was a decorated war veteran, the guy (Rangel) is the very definition of what is wrong with Congress.

His draft sh*t is nonsense. "If we had a draft, then the rich, white people, would not start these wars."

Yeah, no. It doesn't work like that, it's never worked like that.

We'll ignore his numerous financial scandals and such. It's just stupid to keep screaming "A draft Army will stop all the needless wars!" because that's bullsh*t. You idiots doing your goddamn job and not drafting things like the Iraq War Resolution might prevent some wars from occurring.

Go away, Charlie. Please.

None of which has anything to do with women being required to register for the Selective Service.




It does if you are a Fox News Idiot and Poll Unskewer, and your sphincter still aches from the last election, and is further aggravated by the vague but deep-seated dim awareness that 2014 is going to be worse for you and your fellow dinosaurian morons. Yes, indeedy do, it is TOTALLY relevant.
 
2013-01-27 01:08:57 PM  
So outrage?
 
2013-01-27 01:20:38 PM  
I thought he was fantastic in "The Blues Brothers" -- too bad he had to go into politics...
 
2013-01-27 01:22:40 PM  
Good idea. Too many people warfighting from their sofas have no clue what the military is about  Too many in Congress have never been there. I'd like to hear a lot less "thank you for your service" and a lot more "I'm enlisting."


/and get off my lawn
 
2013-01-27 01:22:57 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Even if he was a decorated war veteran, the guy (Rangel) is the very definition of what is wrong with Congress.

His draft sh*t is nonsense. "If we had a draft, then the rich, white people, would not start these wars."

Yeah, no. It doesn't work like that, it's never worked like that.

We'll ignore his numerous financial scandals and such. It's just stupid to keep screaming "A draft Army will stop all the needless wars!" because that's bullsh*t. You idiots doing your goddamn job and not drafting things like the Iraq War Resolution might prevent some wars from occurring.



Yes and no.  If we had the draft, and it included women, then more of the country wouldn't be so complacently complicit when the next Congress rubber-stamps the next Dubya's bullshiat war of choice.  It could cost a swing state or two--enough to at least give pause.

Oh, and it would mean that more people in the country would understand how meaningless those stupid yellow-ribbon magnets are.
 
2013-01-27 01:33:33 PM  

bronyaur1: GAT_00: NewportBarGuy: Even if he was a decorated war veteran, the guy (Rangel) is the very definition of what is wrong with Congress.

His draft sh*t is nonsense. "If we had a draft, then the rich, white people, would not start these wars."

Yeah, no. It doesn't work like that, it's never worked like that.

We'll ignore his numerous financial scandals and such. It's just stupid to keep screaming "A draft Army will stop all the needless wars!" because that's bullsh*t. You idiots doing your goddamn job and not drafting things like the Iraq War Resolution might prevent some wars from occurring.

Go away, Charlie. Please.

None of which has anything to do with women being required to register for the Selective Service.

It does if you are a Fox News Idiot and Poll Unskewer, and your sphincter still aches from the last election, and is further aggravated by the vague but deep-seated dim awareness that 2014 is going to be worse for you and your fellow dinosaurian morons. Yes, indeedy do, it is TOTALLY relevant.


Yeah, NBG isn't that.
 
2013-01-27 01:39:39 PM  
Bring backdraft?

zachbussey.com

What an awful movie... Burn!
 
2013-01-27 01:43:45 PM  

doyner: Oh, and it would mean that more people in the country would understand how meaningless those stupid yellow-ribbon magnets are.


My wife's family is all army - one retired LC, one active LC,  and two PFCs currently on active duty.  They appreciate those ribbons, so they aren't meaningless.
 
2013-01-27 01:47:31 PM  

Lsherm: doyner: Oh, and it would mean that more people in the country would understand how meaningless those stupid yellow-ribbon magnets are.

My wife's family is all army - one retired LC, one active LC,  and two PFCs currently on active duty.  They appreciate those ribbons, so they aren't meaningless.


I knew I should have invested in them...dammit.
 
2013-01-27 01:56:11 PM  

Lsherm: doyner: Oh, and it would mean that more people in the country would understand how meaningless those stupid yellow-ribbon magnets are.

My wife's family is all army - one retired LC, one active LC,  and two PFCs currently on active duty.  They appreciate those ribbons, so they aren't meaningless.


They appreciate meaningless trinkets, which you claim then give them meaning?
 
2013-01-27 02:05:47 PM  

GAT_00: Lsherm: doyner: Oh, and it would mean that more people in the country would understand how meaningless those stupid yellow-ribbon magnets are.

My wife's family is all army - one retired LC, one active LC,  and two PFCs currently on active duty.  They appreciate those ribbons, so they aren't meaningless.

They appreciate meaningless trinkets, which you claim then give them meaning?


In all fairness, when I was on my last deployment I felt better knowing that strangers back home had dropped $5 and slapped a made-in-China magnet on their SUV after going to Wal-Mart.

But what really made me feel better was that the members of Congress that had voted for the Iraq war were patriotic enough to wear a flag pin.
 
2013-01-27 02:15:28 PM  
Hey, the military needs cooks and dishwashers, don't they?

/ducks
//if men gotta register, then women should, too
 
2013-01-27 02:31:30 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Hey, the military needs cooks and dishwashers, don't they?

/ducks
//if men gotta register, then women should, too


And when did we stop drafting for the wars and start hiring expensive contractors to provide basic services which used to be provided by grunts?
oh wait, chenney and the military complex
 
2013-01-27 02:47:46 PM  

namatad: Lionel Mandrake: Hey, the military needs cooks and dishwashers, don't they?

/ducks
//if men gotta register, then women should, too

And when did we stop drafting for the wars and start hiring expensive contractors to provide basic services which used to be provided by grunts?
oh wait, chenney and the military complex


they definitely expanded it and pushed them into combat roles, but PMCs had been used to train our allies and protect diplomatic missions for a while. Pre-9/11 they were only really used in backwaters in Africa and South America as "military advisers" (same form of military advisers as we had in Vietnam)
 
2013-01-27 02:54:31 PM  

doyner: Yes and no. If we had the draft, and it included women, then more of the country wouldn't be so complacently complicit when the next Congress rubber-stamps the next Dubya's bullshiat war of choice. It could cost a swing state or two--enough to at least give pause.

Oh, and it would mean that more people in the country would understand how meaningless those stupid yellow-ribbon magnets are.


You're more optimistic than me. The kicker of those f*cking magnets, for me, was seeing them on several cars in the barracks parking lot. Yes, they put them on their own cars. Brilliant!

I say we do compel women to register if they are now eligible for combat MOS assignment. That's fine. Just seems so outmoded. I went back to the SSS website to check out when I signed up. 1996, 13 days before my 18th birthday. I still volunteered 8 years later. They didn't really need me in the system.

I guess I'm more referring to the scope of war these days. If we ever did get attacked on the scale that would require a draft, I just don't think we'd have the time to conduct one, and train the people to get ready.

I don't think we really want or need a draft Army. We should be looking at cutting the force back even more, not adding to it. We can do a lot more with less these days than any time before. Occupation? Sure, we need more people, more MPs etc etc etc... However, after Vietnam and Iraq and Afghanistan have shown us, maybe for one goddamn second we'll realize that the tactic of grab and hold is not a good one. Just unleash the Army to kill people, break sh*t... give them the keys and a lovely parting check.

We don't have the numbers to do occupation, we're never going to have the numbers, and it's just a bad idea.

/Forgive the ramble...
 
2013-01-27 02:55:22 PM  

doyner: But what really made me feel better was that the members of Congress that had voted for the Iraq war were patriotic enough to wear a flag pin.


I think Freedom Fries are what helped turn the tide.
 
2013-01-27 02:58:51 PM  

NewportBarGuy: doyner: But what really made me feel better was that the members of Congress that had voted for the Iraq war were patriotic enough to wear a flag pin.

I think Freedom Fries are what helped turn the tide.


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/Those were the days.
 
2013-01-27 03:00:20 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Lsherm: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I thought even the registration had been done away with for a while at some point

Never.  If they had been done away with, then attention-whore Rangel wouldn't be able to introduce bills to distract from his numerous ethics charges.

Rangel's integrity issues aside, the registration requirement was suspended between 1975 and 1980, it appears

/Good to know not all the memory cells are fried yet


I was in college when registration was reinstated. Several sorority sisters of mine and I wanted to register to make a statement that we thought women should be registering too. We tried to get a form at the Post Office on campus, but they wouldn't give us one, even when we explained to the Post Master that we were doing it as a form of protest.
 
2013-01-27 03:01:10 PM  

NewportBarGuy: We don't have the numbers to do occupation, we're never going to have the numbers, and it's just a bad idea.


what we if we ship Occupy Wall St to become Occupy Baghdad? bet you didn't think of that one
 
2013-01-27 03:04:20 PM  

zedster: NewportBarGuy: We don't have the numbers to do occupation, we're never going to have the numbers, and it's just a bad idea.

what we if we ship Occupy Wall St to become Occupy Baghdad? bet you didn't think of that one


Oh, come on! They have enough insurgents as it is. Can you leave those poor Iraqis alone for just 10 more years?! Besides, I'm not sure smearing things with their own feces is an actual combat tactic.
 
2013-01-27 03:05:05 PM  

NewportBarGuy: /Forgive the ramble...


S'ok--I generally agree.  I guess my overriding feeling on the whole issue is the 2004 election.  The vote-for-us-or-we'll--be-attacked-again schtick worked, and most of the electorate didn't have skin in the game.  Maybe having you, or your sons' and daughters' asses on the line would compel a little more thought in the voting booth.

On another note, I think there's money to be made on pink-and-yellow magnets now that women can have the combat MOS'.  Care to join my business venture?

NewportBarGuy:I think Freedom Fries are what helped turn the tide.

Talk about a national embarrassment....
 
2013-01-27 03:22:30 PM  

doyner: NewportBarGuy: Even if he was a decorated war veteran, the guy (Rangel) is the very definition of what is wrong with Congress.

His draft sh*t is nonsense. "If we had a draft, then the rich, white people, would not start these wars."

Yeah, no. It doesn't work like that, it's never worked like that.

We'll ignore his numerous financial scandals and such. It's just stupid to keep screaming "A draft Army will stop all the needless wars!" because that's bullsh*t. You idiots doing your goddamn job and not drafting things like the Iraq War Resolution might prevent some wars from occurring.


Yes and no.  If we had the draft, and it included women, then more of the country wouldn't be so complacently complicit when the next Congress rubber-stamps the next Dubya's bullshiat war of choice.  It could cost a swing state or two--enough to at least give pause.

Oh, and it would mean that more people in the country would understand how meaningless those stupid yellow-ribbon magnets are.


If we had a war break out that required a draft, the scions of powerful families would all magically come down with crippling polo injuries, or find slots in non-deployable National Guard units, that oddly, were over-strength by 400% and had already turned away PFC Billy Ray Joe Jim Trailerpark or PV2 Tu'Sweet Projects.
 
2013-01-27 03:30:46 PM  

Sgt Otter: If we had a war break out that required a draft, the scions of powerful families would all magically come down with crippling polo injuries, or find slots in non-deployable National Guard units, that oddly, were over-strength by 400% and had already turned away PFC Billy Ray Joe Jim Trailerpark or PV2 Tu'Sweet Projects.


True, but we've also been using those same NG units like the regular force.  I say keep doing it if we bring back the draft.

And with the internets these days there'd be much more visibility of the rich dodgers.
 
2013-01-27 03:49:46 PM  
the selective service is rather silly. but if we have to have it, chicks should sign up to
 
2013-01-27 03:50:09 PM  

doyner: True, but we've also been using those same NG units like the regular force. I say keep doing it if we bring back the draft.


The draft will never be back. We've enough volunteers to fill the ranks and technology will make up any slack. We've moved away from large numbers of ground troops and more towards drones and surgical strikes by small mobile forces. Large scale world war using only conventional weapons and massive armies are a thing of the past. As for Rangles idea, they should do away with registration altogether, considering there's bound to be some overhead cost associated with it that, in this climate, should be cut. Either that or make the ladies register as well.
 
2013-01-27 03:51:38 PM  

Sgt Otter: If we had a war break out that required a draft, the scions of powerful families would all magically come down with crippling polo injuries, or find slots in non-deployable National Guard units


Hey, someone had to protect Texas from the Viet Cong Air Force!
 
2013-01-27 03:52:36 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Sgt Otter: If we had a war break out that required a draft, the scions of powerful families would all magically come down with crippling polo injuries, or find slots in non-deployable National Guard units

Hey, someone had to protect Texas Alabama from the Viet Cong Air Force!


FIFY
 
2013-01-27 03:56:31 PM  

GAT_00: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Hidey-hidey-hidey-ho!

/and is there a draft registration now?
//again?
///still?

You still have to register for the selective service at 18. There's no reason women shouldn't have to register now.


All of them? The policy is to draft older ages up to 25 before they take the 18 year olds.
 
2013-01-27 04:00:33 PM  
I thought Charlie Rangel was in prison?
 
2013-01-27 04:08:52 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Hey, the military needs cooks and dishwashers, don't they?

/ducks
//if men gotta register, then women should, too


Seriously, as a woman, this is interesting. I have seen "men's rights" supporters (i.e. against alimony not child support) get eviscerated on Fark in the past. Has this view changed? We don't live in a world where women are incapable. I think if selective service becomes mandatory then many things need to be re-examined.
 
2013-01-27 04:09:13 PM  
+1 subby!

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-27 04:12:10 PM  

Orange-Pippin: I think if selective service becomes mandatory then many things need to be re-examined.


Yep. Like why the US needs to get into pointless Asian wars.
 
2013-01-27 04:15:07 PM  

Delay: I thought Charlie Rangel was in prison?


Ever notice how these black politicians never end up going to jail for clearly defined crimes but white Republicans and especially white Democrats who piss off the white Democrat establishment ( Blago, Trafficant ) go to jail for years for shiat like making their aides do chores on their houseboat? And Duke Cunningham who went to jail for: Cunningham liked to invite women to his yacht. Two of them said that he would change into pajama bottoms and a turtleneck sweater to entertain them with chilled champagne by the light of his favorite lava lamp
 
2013-01-27 04:17:44 PM  

Delay: Orange-Pippin: I think if selective service becomes mandatory then many things need to be re-examined.

Yep. Like why the US needs to get into pointless Asian wars.


I'm against war--so yes, war and even the pointless ones as well.
 
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