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(Fox News)   Obama tries to help balance the budget by asking federal employees to pick up more of the cost of their own healthcare. This is of course, an outrage   (nation.foxnews.com ) divider line 94
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2013-01-27 10:44:07 AM  
Of course this means that C. Everett Koop becomes President and Jonas Salk is promoted to chief Islamic cleric at An-Anzar University's Department of Sharia Oppression, right?
 
2013-01-27 10:54:05 AM  
What budget?
 
2013-01-27 11:02:28 AM  
Clicks through to full story... Feb. 2012.. timely reporting there FoxNation...
 
2013-01-27 12:13:35 PM  
Well, The Obama administration's proposed defense budget calls for military families and retirees to pay sharply more for their healthcare, while leaving unionized civilian defense workers' benefits untouched.

Yes. Yes, that's an outrage. Especially when you've got soldiers still out in the field, and a record-high # of suicides.

/of course, Faux News *could* be lying
//.....naaaaaaaaaah. Why would they lie? :P
 
2013-01-27 12:15:12 PM  

Type_Hard: Clicks through to full story... Feb. 2012.. timely reporting there FoxNation...


They were too busy hunting down Obama's *real* birf certificate, I guess...
 
2013-01-27 12:32:14 PM  

Type_Hard: Clicks through to full story... Feb. 2012.. timely reporting there FoxNation...


Heck I heard about this mid 2011, and even still its based on the reality that many military retirees are also working and getting healthcare from somewhere else, there are provisions for disabled who can't work. I'd fine a source, but honestly. I just don't care :)
 
2013-01-27 12:32:23 PM  

Type_Hard: Clicks through to full story... Feb. 2012.. timely reporting there FoxNation...


3 comments in on the fark thread: this is old news.
3 pages into the FoxNation thread: the military is being forced to the back of the bus, liberalism is a mental health disease as categorized by the newest edition of the DSM, and of course, SOROS!

By the way, since this is a year old, did it come to pass, or was subby correct in using the 'unlikely' tag?
 
2013-01-27 12:32:41 PM  
Does ObamaCare cover emptying my dog's anal glands?
 
2013-01-27 12:36:37 PM  

Type_Hard: Clicks through to full story... Feb. 2012.. timely reporting there FoxNation...


Obama will never win reelection with stories like this.
 
2013-01-27 12:38:33 PM  
Wow the comments. Fear, paranoia, the works. I can't even imagine the kind of person who just tacks "SOROS" on the end of every sentence.
 
2013-01-27 12:40:50 PM  

Granny_Panties: Does ObamaCare cover emptying my dog's anal glands?


Emptying Fox News' anal glands is already a full time job.
 
2013-01-27 12:41:21 PM  

PanicMan: Wow the comments. Fear, paranoia, the works. I can't even imagine the kind of person who just tacks "SOROS" on the end of every sentence.


Fartbongo Taxbongo, why do you hate the troops? Soros.
 
2013-01-27 12:41:44 PM  
Obamalamadingdong submitted a budget? When does the Senate vote on it?
 
2013-01-27 12:42:41 PM  

shotglasss: Obamalamadingdong submitted a budget? When does the Senate vote on it?


Judging by the original article, likely sometime in the 2012 session.
 
2013-01-27 12:43:12 PM  
fact checking foxnews. checking facts at the speed of derp.

i.imgur.com

Something wrong with that picture... O YOUR FREAKING GOD.. She is not 100% bleach blond!!! This is an outrage....
 
2013-01-27 12:44:48 PM  
As a Republican, I'm torn on this. On the one hand, there is no such thing as the federal government creating a job so these people are just leaches suckling at the teat hanging from the giant underbelly of big government and are probably union members who have lavish benefits already like those damn teachers. So from that perspective I'm glad we're finally reining in their benefits. On the other hand, Obama is just doing to these people what he wants to do to the rest of us with Obamacare, namely tax us to death and give big government bureaucracy the power to make decisions about our health care instead of patients and doctors. This is just the start of the slippery slope towards fascist healthcare.
 
2013-01-27 12:45:23 PM  

Dahnkster: PanicMan: Wow the comments. Fear, paranoia, the works. I can't even imagine the kind of person who just tacks "SOROS" on the end of every sentence.

Fartbongo Taxbongo, why do you hate the troops? Soros.


Too much punctuation and capitalization. Here's an example of how to do it:

"this is the beginning of this CONSTITUTION hating community organizer he promised to fundemently change us to a third world country by being contrary and gaming the system with the SORE on humanity SOROS"

I mean... how do you even come up with that?
 
2013-01-27 12:58:28 PM  

Shaggy_C: As a Republican, I'm torn on this. On the one hand, there is no such thing as the federal government creating a job so these people are just leaches suckling at the teat hanging from the giant underbelly of big government and are probably union members who have lavish benefits already like those damn teachers. So from that perspective I'm glad we're finally reining in their benefits. On the other hand, Obama is just doing to these people what he wants to do to the rest of us with Obamacare, namely tax us to death and give big government bureaucracy the power to make decisions about our health care instead of patients and doctors. This is just the start of the slippery slope towards fascist healthcare.


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-01-27 12:59:02 PM  
Federal employees are welfare recipients. They support the company line, collect their federal benefits (aka paycheck), and couldn't care less about the future generations' inherited struggles that are directly linked to their complacency and inaction. If that's not bothersome to you, then you must enjoy having your head inserted in your rectum.

/Come to think of it, I just described politicians, too. When you add, politicians, federal workers, and actual welfare dynasties.. there aren't many working americans left. hmm...
 
2013-01-27 01:00:28 PM  
www.aidthoughts.org
 
2013-01-27 01:01:47 PM  
If I remember correctly, the annual fee for retiree enrollment in to Tricare Prime, the health plan that pretty much takes care of very thing via MTF, did go up a couple hundred dollars. It was pretty ridiculously low to begin with and made sense considering the retirees are the ones putting most of the stress on the military's health budget. It was fun listening to the crusty, retired avionics guy making money hand over fist as a private contractor biatch about it though considering the premium for Tricare Prime is still well below any premium he would get outside.
 
2013-01-27 01:02:41 PM  
I'm in that weird zone.... I work for a small company and don't really make enough to afford health insurance on my own; however, since I have a job, I make too much money to get it for free from the government...
According to the "Affordable" (HA!) Care Act, I'm going to be out another 2 grand a year which I can't afford, just to comply with the law... which neither I, my state Senator or my Congressman voted for.
(And considering that my congressman is a total dyed-in-the-wool Democrat, I was a bit surprised)
So... what do you folks propose I do?
I already voted against these guys and that didn't work.
Emigration is out... I already looked it up...
The sad thing is, as crappy as it's becoming, America is still the best place to live.
 
2013-01-27 01:06:58 PM  
I think the actual Fox News took 'comments' away. This is 'Fox Nation' which I guess is some kind of support blog to harness the power of of the elderly, ignorant, racist, and most of the southern United States.

Every other post contains the words 'illegal', 'minority', "Muslim', 'gay', 'military', "Obama' and 'liberal'.

The tabs include "Fired up!" "Gun Rights" "Benghazi" and "Hilary Clinton".

It would be funny, except these are the same people that are voting for and electing GOP candidates.
 
2013-01-27 01:11:23 PM  

DogBoyTheCat: I'm in that weird zone.... I work for a small company and don't really make enough to afford health insurance on my own; however, since I have a job, I make too much money to get it for free from the government...
According to the "Affordable" (HA!) Care Act, I'm going to be out another 2 grand a year which I can't afford, just to comply with the law... which neither I, my state Senator or my Congressman voted for.
(And considering that my congressman is a total dyed-in-the-wool Democrat, I was a bit surprised)
So... what do you folks propose I do?
I already voted against these guys and that didn't work.
Emigration is out... I already looked it up...
The sad thing is, as crappy as it's becoming, America is still the best place to live.


Browse this. http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/


That's where I found "hospital only" insurance for about $155 a month, single male in NY state. I've received two rebates last year totaling about two months payments. this year it went up a few bucks.

I pay for doctor visits. Much cheaper than insurance.

/YMMV
 
2013-01-27 01:13:04 PM  

DogBoyTheCat: I'm in that weird zone.... I work for a small company and don't really make enough to afford health insurance on my own; however, since I have a job, I make too much money to get it for free from the government...
According to the "Affordable" (HA!) Care Act, I'm going to be out another 2 grand a year which I can't afford, just to comply with the law... which neither I, my state Senator or my Congressman voted for.


I suppose that if you had injured yourself in a car accident or came down with an illness that required a hospital stay, you would be whinging about not having insurance (while sticking us with the bill when you declare bankruptcy). I tend to look at people without health insurance the same way as drivers without car insurance. You shouldn't look at it like you are being forced to do something new, look at it like you were getting away with something for years that you shouldn't have been able to in the first place.
 
2013-01-27 01:14:11 PM  
is it time for the US just to admit that single payer, at least for basic medical, is the way to go?
 
2013-01-27 01:14:50 PM  
TiiiMMMaHHH


Nope. Just you. You're the last Real American Worker. A Dying Breed. A True Patriot. An American Eagle, with tear stained talons. An average Joe with Big Dreams. The Heartbeat of the Heartland. A Tri-corner Hatter from the Old Country. An Icon of Independence. True Grit. The Common Clay of the West....You know,.....a Moron.
 
2013-01-27 01:17:43 PM  

Rich Cream: DogBoyTheCat: I'm in that weird zone.... I work for a small company and don't really make enough to afford health insurance on my own; however, since I have a job, I make too much money to get it for free from the government...
According to the "Affordable" (HA!) Care Act, I'm going to be out another 2 grand a year which I can't afford, just to comply with the law... which neither I, my state Senator or my Congressman voted for.
(And considering that my congressman is a total dyed-in-the-wool Democrat, I was a bit surprised)
So... what do you folks propose I do?
I already voted against these guys and that didn't work.
Emigration is out... I already looked it up...
The sad thing is, as crappy as it's becoming, America is still the best place to live.

Browse this. http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/


That's where I found "hospital only" insurance for about $155 a month, single male in NY state. I've received two rebates last year totaling about two months payments. this year it went up a few bucks.

I pay for doctor visits. Much cheaper than insurance.

/YMMV


You can get major medical insurance policies for pretty cheap. Only thing they usually cover is hospitalization though, like major illness, car wreck, things like that. Can't use them if you just need stitches or antibiotics for your case of the clap you got from that lot lizard at that truck stop in El Paso back in '07. Wait.. what was i talking about again?
 
2013-01-27 01:19:16 PM  
Wasn't this originally a repub initiative anyway?

Link

Oh well, look at that, waddaya know?
 
2013-01-27 01:19:43 PM  
Fox Nation lifted this story from The Washington Free Beacon, which is run by Matthew Continetti, who is William Crystal's son-in-law. The story was written by Bill Gertz, a senior editor who, prior to moving to the Washington Free Beacon, worked for 27 years writing for the Washington Times, a publication founded by Sun Myung Moon, who claimed to be the messiah.
 
2013-01-27 01:22:16 PM  

red5ish: Fox Nation lifted this story from The Washington Free Beacon, which is run by Matthew Continetti, who is William Crystal's son-in-law. The story was written by Bill Gertz, a senior editor who, prior to moving to the Washington Free Beacon, worked for 27 years writing for the Washington Times, a publication founded by Sun Myung Moon, who claimed to be the messiah.


So you're saying this may not be 100% gospel truth?

Why would Fox lie to me? It doesn't make sense, sir. So I reject your reality and substitute my own.
 
2013-01-27 01:22:54 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: You can get major medical insurance policies for pretty cheap. Only thing they usually cover is hospitalization though, like major illness, car wreck, things like that. Can't use them if you just need stitches or antibiotics for your case of the clap you got from that lot lizard at that truck stop in El Paso back in '07. Wait.. what was i talking about again?


I don't have much experience with the insurance in practice except the time I stepped on a rusty nail and I went to the emergency room for a tetanus shot and nothing else, no pills, etc. I had pulled it out already, wasn't a real bad injury. They washed and bandaged.

Insurance paid every cent except for the doctor who was part of some rotating emergency room doctor-for-hire scheme.

/scheme :p
//all he did was ask me a bunch of bureaucratic questions (as if I was trying to score some pills) that was required by the hospital and I had to pay him for that. He did absolutely nothing for me.
 
2013-01-27 01:26:45 PM  

Rich Cream: I don't have much experience with the insurance in practice except the time I stepped on a rusty nail and I went to the emergency room for a tetanus shot and nothing else, no pills, etc. I had pulled it out already, wasn't a real bad injury. They washed and bandaged.


kristiemanning.files.wordpress.com

Seriously? You'd think the alcohol in the drink would sterilize the wound. Maybe bartenders should start wearking steel shank boots.
 
2013-01-27 01:27:32 PM  

DogBoyTheCat: I'm in that weird zone.... I work for a small company and don't really make enough to afford health insurance on my own; however, since I have a job, I make too much money to get it for free from the government...
According to the "Affordable" (HA!) Care Act, I'm going to be out another 2 grand a year which I can't afford, just to comply with the law... which neither I, my state Senator or my Congressman voted for.
(And considering that my congressman is a total dyed-in-the-wool Democrat, I was a bit surprised)
So... what do you folks propose I do?
I already voted against these guys and that didn't work.
Emigration is out... I already looked it up...
The sad thing is, as crappy as it's becoming, America is still the best place to live.


Apparently, America is the best place to live if you're full of sh*t and wish to avoid any consequences for it.
 
2013-01-27 01:30:10 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: red5ish: Fox Nation lifted this story from The Washington Free Beacon, which is run by Matthew Continetti, who is William Crystal's son-in-law. The story was written by Bill Gertz, a senior editor who, prior to moving to the Washington Free Beacon, worked for 27 years writing for the Washington Times, a publication founded by Sun Myung Moon, who claimed to be the messiah.

So you're saying this may not be 100% gospel truth?

Why would Fox lie to me? It doesn't make sense, sir. So I reject your reality and substitute my own.


Doktor_Zhivago: red5ish: Fox Nation lifted this story from The Washington Free Beacon, which is run by Matthew Continetti, who is William Crystal's son-in-law. The story was written by Bill Gertz, a senior editor who, prior to moving to the Washington Free Beacon, worked for 27 years writing for the Washington Times, a publication founded by Sun Myung Moon, who claimed to be the messiah.

So you're saying this may not be 100% gospel truth?

Why would Fox lie to me? It doesn't make sense, sir. So I reject your reality and substitute my own.


I make no claims about the veracity of the article. I am merely providing context.
 
2013-01-27 01:30:33 PM  

Rich Cream: Insurance paid every cent except for the doctor who was part of some rotating emergency room doctor-for-hire scheme.


Residency...

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-01-27 01:35:51 PM  

Mercutio74: Rich Cream: I don't have much experience with the insurance in practice except the time I stepped on a rusty nail and I went to the emergency room for a tetanus shot and nothing else, no pills, etc. I had pulled it out already, wasn't a real bad injury. They washed and bandaged.

[kristiemanning.files.wordpress.com image 200x260]

You'd think the alcohol in the drink would sterilize the wound.



And the honey in the Drambuie would seal the wound.

thamike: Residency...


So I paid him to fill out paperwork AND get training on me? What country.
 
2013-01-27 01:38:28 PM  

Rich Cream: What country.



There is no way in hell I skipped that "a". As in "what A country".

I'm onto you guys.

/this would work better in the paranoid thread
 
2013-01-27 01:42:09 PM  
like how the article has been saying that the "union civilian" health benefits would remain untouched. My Fiance works for the Marine corps as a civilian and pays more for her health benefits than i do. So yea, thas why they are untoched.
 
2013-01-27 01:43:23 PM  
OK, lessee, this is Fox IzvestiaNation pointing to one of those sites with "freedom" in the name. (You keep using that word, etc.) Is there a non-derp source for this?

FTFA: Several congressional aides suggested the move is designed to increase the enrollment in Obamacare's state-run insurance exchanges.

Employer-based health care sucks. Single payer FTW. To hell with Bull Crap/Bull Schitt.
 
2013-01-27 01:46:46 PM  

Type_Hard: Clicks through to full story... Feb. 2012.. timely reporting there FoxNation...


Subby was running out of current fodder to rage about but missed this little gem: North Carolina Rep. Paul Stam says customers who use food stamps to pay for groceries shouldn't be allowed to buy lottery tickets at the same time.
 
2013-01-27 01:52:50 PM  

clowncar on fire: shouldn't be allowed to buy lottery tickets


I don't even. I can't. What the?
 
2013-01-27 01:58:47 PM  

red5ish: clowncar on fire: shouldn't be allowed to buy lottery tickets

I don't even. I can't. What the?


Link
 
2013-01-27 01:59:44 PM  

DogBoyTheCat: I work for a small company and don't really make enough to afford health insurance on my own


Be smarter and get a better job.
 
2013-01-27 02:03:23 PM  

tarkus1980: DogBoyTheCat: I work for a small company and don't really make enough to afford health insurance on my own

Be smarter and get a better job.


That's a pretty messed up thing to say to a guy with bowel cancer.
 
2013-01-27 02:04:28 PM  

MindStalker: Type_Hard: Clicks through to full story... Feb. 2012.. timely reporting there FoxNation...

Heck I heard about this mid 2011, and even still its based on the reality that many military retirees are also working and getting healthcare from somewhere else, there are provisions for disabled who can't work. I'd fine a source, but honestly. I just don't care :)


The increase in retiree costs for non-TFL retirees is directly related to changing the definition of Prime Service Areas in the new Tricare contracts. The effect is pushing people living outside a 40-mile drive to a military medical facility onto Tricare Standard/Extra, instead of Tricare Prime.
The process for getting new Tricare contracts - and the reduction in Tricare expenses - stated in 2007
This actually goes into effect in Oct 2013.

The example they use of a colonel having to pay $2000-ish for insurance is a bad example, too.

An O-6 with 26 years of service who retired in 2000 (still likely right around the 65 y/o age limit for Tricare) is making well over $50,000/yr in retirement pay. If it's an O-6 that retired in 2013, the retrement pay is around $80,000/yr. Either of these can likely handle an extra $1500/yr for insurance.

An E-7 retired at 22 years of service in 2000 is getting about $17,000/yr in retirement. The E-7 retiring in 2013 at 22 yrs will get around $28,000 in retirement. A $1500 change in retirement expense for the E-7 will have bit more of an impact.
 
2013-01-27 02:05:20 PM  

thamike: That's a pretty messed up thing to say to a guy with bowel cancer.


I'm a much worse person on Fark than in real life.
 
2013-01-27 02:06:07 PM  

thamike: tarkus1980: DogBoyTheCat: I work for a small company and don't really make enough to afford health insurance on my own

Be smarter and get a better job.

That's a pretty messed up thing to say to a guy with bowel cancer.


oh. snap.

And to think that I was going suggest that the government be a better steward with our momey so that we could keep more of it and afford our own insurance...
 
2013-01-27 02:08:37 PM  

DogBoyTheCat: I'm in that weird zone.... I work for a small company and don't really make enough to afford health insurance on my own; however, since I have a job, I make too much money to get it for free from the government...
According to the "Affordable" (HA!) Care Act, I'm going to be out another 2 grand a year which I can't afford, just to comply with the law... which neither I, my state Senator or my Congressman voted for.
(And considering that my congressman is a total dyed-in-the-wool Democrat, I was a bit surprised)
So... what do you folks propose I do?
I already voted against these guys and that didn't work.
Emigration is out... I already looked it up...
The sad thing is, as crappy as it's becoming, America is still the best place to live.


Best place to live? Yeah, imagine having to live in ANY other first world country where you would NEVER have to have the struggle your having now: pay your bills or get medical care.

Sounds awful.
 
2013-01-27 02:10:50 PM  

clowncar on fire: And to think that I was going suggest that the government be a better steward with our momey so that we could keep more of it and afford our own insurance...


Yeah, that would have been embarrassing.
 
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