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(Stevens Point Journal)   Wisconsin man facing 11th DUI decides to get creative, pleads not guilty due to insanity. Bonus: sexy mugshot   (stevenspointjournal.com) divider line 67
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2013-01-27 03:22:27 AM
"Substance addled, alkie f*ckup" is now a mental defect?
 
2013-01-27 04:01:07 AM
I've no doubt it is a mental defect.  Permanently surrender the ability to drive, with stiff punishments for violation of that, and I think that an arrangement could be reached.
 
2013-01-27 06:37:28 AM

Relatively Obscure: I've no doubt it is a mental defect.  Permanently surrender the ability to drive, with stiff punishments for violation of that, and I think that an arrangement could be reached.


Blind him.
 
2013-01-27 08:12:15 AM
With 9 years since his last DUI I wonder if he had a descent run in AA.  Fell back and now believes he will never stay sober because of this mental defect.  Addiction sucks.  Jail won't fix him, but nothing the government can do will "fix" him so jail is the place he can stay to keep the rest of us safe.
 
2013-01-27 08:35:27 AM
Well, this would be an interesting precedent if it succeeded. Mandatory inpatient treatment for anyone arrested with repeat DUIs?
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-01-27 08:39:54 AM

BronyMedic: Well, this would be an interesting precedent if it succeeded. Mandatory inpatient treatment for anyone arrested with repeat DUIs?


That seems like a better solution than just locking him up at the tax payers expense. And it actually stands a better chance at having a positive outcome.
 
2013-01-27 09:29:32 AM

Pud: BronyMedic: Well, this would be an interesting precedent if it succeeded. Mandatory inpatient treatment for anyone arrested with repeat DUIs?

That seems like a better solution than just locking him up at the tax payers expense. And it actually stands a better chance at having a positive outcome.


I actually agree with this solution. DUI shouldn't be treated exclusively as a crime, and jail time for it does NOTHING to prevent repeat offenses. One DUI? Yeah. I can understand you not knowing your limit, or not realizing that n drinks will put you over the legal limit in an hour for your body weight and composition. More than one? It's a sign of a serious problem - if not an addiction issue, than an impulse and self control issue.
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-01-27 09:34:50 AM

BronyMedic: Pud: BronyMedic: Well, this would be an interesting precedent if it succeeded. Mandatory inpatient treatment for anyone arrested with repeat DUIs?

That seems like a better solution than just locking him up at the tax payers expense. And it actually stands a better chance at having a positive outcome.

I actually agree with this solution. DUI shouldn't be treated exclusively as a crime, and jail time for it does NOTHING to prevent repeat offenses. One DUI? Yeah. I can understand you not knowing your limit, or not realizing that n drinks will put you over the legal limit in an hour for your body weight and composition. More than one? It's a sign of a serious problem - if not an addiction issue, than an impulse and self control issue.


It's a shame that the people making policy don't see what seems to be a common sense solution.
 
2013-01-27 09:35:14 AM
How do you rack up 11 DUIs without going away almost permanently? He was obviously driving without a license after the first, maybe second one.

BronyMedic: Well, this would be an interesting precedent if it succeeded. Mandatory inpatient treatment for anyone arrested with repeat DUIs?


I agree that locking him up won't do anything but keep others safe from him but mandatory treatment won't work either. I don't want to sound like one of those self help talking heads but you can't make someone get help and think it'll work. They have to want to do it voluntarily. They can go through the motions so they feel like they're doing something for him but it won't work. The first thing they need to do is medically detox him. A hard core alkie can die from withdrawals. Librium and ativan, stat.

On second thought, just put him down. Best thing for him, really.
 
2013-01-27 09:40:37 AM

Mugato: They can go through the motions so they feel like they're doing something for him but it won't work. The first thing they need to do is medically detox him. A hard core alkie can die from withdrawals. Librium and ativan, stat.


You're preaching to the choir here. Versed and Ativan, Thiamine and Dextrose are my friends.

The problem is that many repeat DUI offenders are not hardcore alkies, but people with substance abuse problems that are still functional OR people with impulse/personality control issues. I think that people generally underestimate how many people self-medicate for personality and true organic mental health disorders with drugs and alcohol.
 
2013-01-27 09:42:28 AM
I realize this doesn't mean anything except as a curious piece of trivia, but he's from Ed Gein's hometown.
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-01-27 09:48:35 AM
You make a good point Mugato, some people will always refuse help. It comes down to percentages at that point. How many people will accept the help vs. those that may be beyond help. And even then, how do you define beyond help?
The point is, the cost of just locking someone up is an exorbitant expense. That should be reserved for the worse case scenarios , not the go to solution.
 
2013-01-27 09:48:59 AM
crasstalk.com
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-27 09:49:46 AM
Mandatory inpatient treatment for anyone arrested with repeat DUIs?

Second conviction in Massachusetts gets you mandatory 14 days inpatient treatment. I think you can choose 14 days jail instead.

From what I've read the more effective technique is intensive probation where you have to show up at the police station every day to prove you're sober.
 
2013-01-27 11:11:26 AM
Lock him in a car and weld the doors shut.
 
2013-01-27 11:51:31 AM
Portage County Assistant District Attorney Cass Cousins said an 11th offense for an OWI was unusual because there are less than 10 annually throughout the state.

In Wisconsin?
 
2013-01-27 11:52:28 AM

phaseolus: I realize this doesn't mean anything except as a curious piece of trivia, but he's from Ed Gein's hometown.


Shhhhh!  You're not supposed to mention him.  The locals prefer to forget the only thing that made them famous.
 
2013-01-27 11:53:47 AM

tukatz: Shhhhh!  You're not supposed to mention him.  The locals prefer to forget the only thing that made them famous.


Making a bad 60s black and white movie where he turned into a transvestite?
 
2013-01-27 11:55:56 AM

phaseolus: I realize this doesn't mean anything except as a curious piece of trivia, but he's from Ed Gein's hometown.


Well, Ed got to do his time (30 + years) in a cushy state hospital by claiming "mental defect".

Ed may have been a bit more unbalanced than this guy though.
 
2013-01-27 11:56:39 AM

Wise_Guy: Portage County Assistant District Attorney Cass Cousins said an 11th offense for an OWI was unusual because there are less than 10 annually throughout the state.

In Wisconsin?


He must be referring to JUST the 11th DUIs.  Because we have many 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th......
 
2013-01-27 11:57:33 AM
You just rack a dishaprin!

/Also, your beard sucks.
 
2013-01-27 11:57:42 AM
DAMN HE TALL
 
2013-01-27 11:59:52 AM
As someone who has managed to get almost a dozen DUIs without any serious jail time, I'm getting a kick.

/lived in 8 states
//finally got tired of being a drunk
///got new ID now(thank you ND), will not even think of risking it
 
2013-01-27 12:00:02 PM
Why are Wisconsin's charts in metric? It's WISCONSIN.
 
2013-01-27 12:00:14 PM
Since many idiot politicians consider drinking alcohol and driving to be a misdemeanor, where its easier to levy massive fines(which can be declared unconstitutional based on how they levy the fines) instead of actual prison time.

/Besides, cops don't always do to well in prison when they get caught by another cop for boozing and driving, so got to make sure the punishment is not to harsh.
//even when they get a repeat offender to court for real punishment, the prosecutor allows the f*cker to get off due to needing to 'support his family' or 'needs to drive to get life sustaining material'.
///Court delays to prosecute is another matter and quite a few cases are chucked out for delay of due process.
 
2013-01-27 12:00:51 PM
Subby really delivered on the sexy mugshot. So much sexier than all the Daily Mail hotties.
 
2013-01-27 12:01:13 PM
Little surprised at the metric height-chart behind him...
 
2013-01-27 12:03:30 PM

sheep snorter: Since many idiot politicians consider drinking alcohol and driving to be a misdemeanor, where its easier to levy massive fines(which can be declared unconstitutional based on how they levy the fines) instead of actual prison time.


Prison time for DUIs doesn't do shiat. They come right out at the end of their weekend stay and get drunk. It's a lot deeper than "I made a mistake and I'm sorry" once you look at habitual offenders.

Fines hurt them in their wallet, which SOME people will listen to, but it doesn't do anything to a habitual offender. They'll even drive without a license.

The only meaningful way you're going to blunt DUI is to treat the underlying issues.
 
2013-01-27 12:05:14 PM

ransack.: Why are Wisconsin's charts in metric? It's WISCONSIN.


They're a cosmopolitan people, Wisconsinites.
 
2013-01-27 12:07:55 PM
Mental defect? How about just plain old-fashioned STUPIDITY!
 
2013-01-27 12:08:01 PM

Relatively Obscure: I've no doubt it is a mental defect.  Permanently surrender the ability to drive, with stiff punishments for violation of that, and I think that an arrangement could be reached.


Like that ever stops anyone in this state.
 
2013-01-27 12:10:57 PM
Dipsomania was a recognized category of insanity in the 1st edition Dungeon Master's guide
 
2013-01-27 12:15:55 PM
Fine, you can get off on this one and we take your driver's license and you ARE NOT allowed to drive again. Savvy?
 
2013-01-27 12:17:55 PM

BronyMedic: sheep snorter: Since many idiot politicians consider drinking alcohol and driving to be a misdemeanor, where its easier to levy massive fines(which can be declared unconstitutional based on how they levy the fines) instead of actual prison time.

Prison time for DUIs doesn't do shiat. They come right out at the end of their weekend stay and get drunk. It's a lot deeper than "I made a mistake and I'm sorry" once you look at habitual offenders.

Fines hurt them in their wallet, which SOME people will listen to, but it doesn't do anything to a habitual offender. They'll even drive without a license.

The only meaningful way you're going to blunt DUI is to treat the underlying issues.


I've heard of other states (certainly not Wisconsin) requiring a special, brightly colored license plate marking the registered driver as a repeat DUI offender... and penalties for driving a different car in order to avoid being labeled.  I would love to see this... and public shaming (newspaper, billboards, etc) as commonplace.  Because jail just gives them reason to not work and sit on their butts for a while.
 
2013-01-27 12:20:47 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Fine, you can get off on this one and we take your driver's license and you ARE NOT allowed to drive again. Savvy?


Most of the time they've been revoked.... but there is nothing but a monetary penalty for driving while revoked.  So they continue.... believing, as many do, that it's their right to drive.
 
2013-01-27 12:25:01 PM
This guy should be charged with attempted murder and jailed as such.

I don't care if he has mental problems or not. He's risking other peoples' lives.
 
2013-01-27 12:25:11 PM

Pud: BronyMedic: Well, this would be an interesting precedent if it succeeded. Mandatory inpatient treatment for anyone arrested with repeat DUIs?

That seems like a better solution than just locking him up at the tax payers expense. And it actually stands a better chance at having a positive outcome.


At the expense of public safety.
 
2013-01-27 12:26:43 PM
Is this the first time that facility has ever encountered a criminal that's taller than 2M or do metric lengths stop at 2?
 
2013-01-27 12:27:22 PM
forum-img.pinside.com
 
2013-01-27 12:29:09 PM

Relatively Obscure: I've no doubt it is a mental defect.  Permanently surrender the ability to drive, with stiff punishments for violation of that, and I think that an arrangement could be reached.


I'm sure he (legally) surrendered his ability to drive long, long ago..... There's simply no way he still has a license.
 
2013-01-27 12:29:33 PM

tukatz: marking the registered driver as a repeat DUI offender... and penalties for driving a different car in order to avoid being labeled. I would love to see this... and public shaming (newspaper, billboards, etc) as commonplace


www.examiner.com

/ whiskey-plates
 
2013-01-27 12:31:34 PM

ransack.: DAMN HE TALL


Yeah, 6'9 or 6'10 based on that chart behind him.
 
2013-01-27 12:33:01 PM

Void_Beavis: Pud: BronyMedic: Well, this would be an interesting precedent if it succeeded. Mandatory inpatient treatment for anyone arrested with repeat DUIs?

That seems like a better solution than just locking him up at the tax payers expense. And it actually stands a better chance at having a positive outcome.

At the expense of public safety.


How is it at the expense of public safety? By treating the root of the problem, you eliminate it altogether. Proactive rather than reactive.
 
2013-01-27 12:36:39 PM

T.rex: Relatively Obscure: I've no doubt it is a mental defect.  Permanently surrender the ability to drive, with stiff punishments for violation of that, and I think that an arrangement could be reached.

I'm sure he (legally) surrendered his ability to drive long, long ago..... There's simply no way he still has a license.


I don't know how it works around these parts (I live in WI) but the paper regularly has people on their 7th, 8th or 9th OWI. Quite honestly it scares the hell out of me that so many people still drive after that number of offenses, wether they have their license or not.
 
2013-01-27 12:40:21 PM

BronyMedic: Void_Beavis: Pud: BronyMedic: Well, this would be an interesting precedent if it succeeded. Mandatory inpatient treatment for anyone arrested with repeat DUIs?

That seems like a better solution than just locking him up at the tax payers expense. And it actually stands a better chance at having a positive outcome.

At the expense of public safety.

How is it at the expense of public safety? By treating the root of the problem, you eliminate it altogether. Proactive rather than reactive.


Except in this case he was arrested for DUI. Not just "being drunk".
 
2013-01-27 12:41:50 PM

Void_Beavis: Except in this case he was arrested for DUI. Not just "being drunk".


You're being disingenuous now. He's been arrested 11 times for DUI. Either he has an impulse and self control problem, some form of mental disorder he's self-medicating for, or he's an alcoholic.

All three can be treated as a medical problem and corrected. Jail obviously isn't doing it for him.
 
2013-01-27 12:42:04 PM

Mugato: How do you rack up 11 DUIs without going away almost permanently?


Never been to Wisconsin, huh? They drive drunk for sport up there.

/11 DUIs? Lightweight.
 
2013-01-27 12:45:44 PM
That said, there are certainly treatments for alcoholism that have come along in the last 10 years or so that show promise. And I wish we weren't so backwards about drugs in this country so we could realize that hallucinogens are the class of drug that shows the greatest promise in treating alcoholism and other addictions.
 
2013-01-27 12:46:08 PM

BronyMedic: Void_Beavis: Except in this case he was arrested for DUI. Not just "being drunk".

You're being disingenuous now. He's been arrested 11 times for DUI. Either he has an impulse and self control problem, some form of mental disorder he's self-medicating for, or he's an alcoholic.

All three can be treated as a medical problem and corrected. Jail obviously isn't doing it for him.


No but jail does it for the rest of us.

I have no issue with putting him in mandatory rehab. But after 11 times I'd have to say, let's keep him off the roads for our sake.
 
2013-01-27 12:47:58 PM

germ78: Mugato: How do you rack up 11 DUIs without going away almost permanently?

Never been to Wisconsin, huh? They drive drunk for sport up there.

/11 DUIs? Lightweight.


I realize laws are different in different states but through most of those he had to have been driving without a license. That has to get you some time. And it's doubtful that he fulfilled all his community service and fines and whatnot. I dunno. I don't think DUI offenders should be sent to the chair or anything but I don't think it should be possible to rack up 11 DUIs.

Then again I don't believe in DUI checkpoints either. I'm complicated.
 
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