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(AZCentral)   Arizona Senator's suggests that if we really want to get tough with Cuba, we should allow free travel to the country and let the spring breakers do the rest   (azcentral.com) divider line 30
    More: Spiffy, Robert Menendez, U.S. Sen, D-Mass, Senate Foreign Relations Committee  
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2013-01-27 08:01:59 AM  
8 votes:
In fairness, ending this ban on travel, and letting market forces work is probably the way to go. We hold onto our policy because there is a generation of Cuban expatriates who dream that they will regain what they had, and with great vengeance. They are quietly dying off. If anything, the looming threat of the US has cohesed the Cuban government and made their position stronger. Open the doors and let the market do the rest.
2013-01-27 10:24:50 AM  
5 votes:
Maintaining sanctions on Cuba serves no practical purpose

/pure political theater
2013-01-27 08:40:23 AM  
4 votes:

Lsherm: With the death of the USSR Cuba got marginally weaker, but they became a much bigger player with oil money in South America.


Which is funneled in by the government. Let it happen on the street level...give the individual Cuban a crack at making some bank off the capitalist running dogs. Shiat will change post haste.
2013-01-27 11:06:45 AM  
3 votes:
Actually, it's probably a good idea. Remove the travel restrictions and Americans (including spring breakers) go in droves. Their money gives individual Cubans some measure of independence and choice that they've never had. Plus, they see the freedoms Americans have first hand and hear stories directly instead of filtered through State approved sources. Next thing you know, they're having a "Cuban Spring" demanding freedom for themselves...
2013-01-27 11:05:22 AM  
3 votes:

Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.


There isn't a Chinese Lobby that virtually controls electoral results in a major swing state.
2013-01-27 08:35:53 AM  
3 votes:
Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.
2013-01-27 11:21:59 AM  
2 votes:
Nice apostrophe, jackass.
2013-01-27 11:19:00 AM  
2 votes:

Lsherm: With the death of the USSR Cuba got marginally weaker, but they became a much bigger player with oil money in South America.  The US can't let them off the hook yet, if only because Venezuela has turned into a shiathole simply to funnel money to Cuba.


Why is it the farking business of the United States what Cuba or Venezuela does with their money? They're independent countries. The US claims to be about freedom but its own citizens are restricted from Cuba because the US government wants to tell Venezuela how to handle their internal affairs? Doesn't sound like land of the free to me. It's not about letting anyone "off the hook". It's about respecting the sovereignty of other nations and the freedom of US citizens. It's been half a century since Cuba posed a legitimate military threat to the United States. Now it's simply about the type of politics that keeps the world in conflict.
2013-01-27 11:12:34 AM  
2 votes:

Gunderson: Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.

Because Cuba farked with the Mob. And since the Mob and the politicians in the US are intertwined, using the Transitive property of Farking, they farked with the US government.


On the other hand, the mob is more ethical than the government.
2013-01-27 11:09:25 AM  
2 votes:

hubiestubert: In fairness, ending this ban on travel, and letting market forces work is probably the way to go. We hold onto our policy because there is a generation of Cuban expatriates who dream that they will regain what they had, and with great vengeance. They are quietly dying off. If anything, the looming threat of the US has cohesed the Cuban government and made their position stronger. Open the doors and let the market do the rest.


It's basically pandering by south-Florida politicians to the Cuban exile community.
2013-01-27 11:06:40 AM  
2 votes:
I'm sure the last thing any Brits or Spaniards or Germans or Canadians want is another tropical vacation spot overrun with Americans.
2013-01-27 11:04:58 AM  
2 votes:

Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.


Because Cuba farked with the Mob. And since the Mob and the politicians in the US are intertwined, using the Transitive property of Farking, they farked with the US government.
2013-01-27 09:17:11 AM  
2 votes:
I want the last thing Fidel Castro sees on this earth to be a Walmart.
2013-01-27 03:11:56 PM  
1 votes:

Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.


China is communist in name only.
2013-01-27 01:30:47 PM  
1 votes:

Silly_Sot: Lsherm: hubiestubert: In fairness, ending this ban on travel, and letting market forces work is probably the way to go. We hold onto our policy because there is a generation of Cuban expatriates who dream that they will regain what they had, and with great vengeance. They are quietly dying off. If anything, the looming threat of the US has cohesed the Cuban government and made their position stronger. Open the doors and let the market do the rest.

With the death of the USSR Cuba got marginally weaker, but they became a much bigger player with oil money in South America.  The US can't let them off the hook yet, if only because Venezuela has turned into a shiathole simply to funnel money to Cuba.

And Cuba is willing to take it because it specifically tweaks the USA's stupid little ban. Communism is not fought by becoming communists, but the right-wing commies in the USA refuse to understand this. A collectivist system in which "industry" is so closely in control of government that the two are indisitinguishable is communism in all but name, after all. It doesn't how much it might wave around the American flag and carry the Cross.


WTF are you blathering about?
2013-01-27 12:15:58 PM  
1 votes:

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: If we had opened up total free trade and travel with Cuba 30 years ago, they'd be firmly capitalist today.


Castro wouldn't go for it, his whole schtick was "protecting" the people from the US.

American elected officials won't go for it because they are beholden to a small number of single-issue voters in Florida.
2013-01-27 12:08:34 PM  
1 votes:

Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.


For laughs ask people coming out of any big-box retailer if they buy products from communist countries.
2013-01-27 11:53:41 AM  
1 votes:
If we had opened up total free trade and travel with Cuba 30 years ago, they'd be firmly capitalist today.
2013-01-27 11:50:57 AM  
1 votes:
2013-01-27 11:31:39 AM  
1 votes:

JasonOfOrillia: I'm sure the last thing any Brits or Spaniards or Germans or Canadians want is another tropical vacation spot overrun with Americans.


Don't worry, most of them still don't have passports.
2013-01-27 11:25:24 AM  
1 votes:

JosephFinn: hubiestubert: In fairness, ending this ban on travel, and letting market forces work is probably the way to go. We hold onto our policy because there is a generation of Cuban expatriates who dream that they will regain what they had, and with great vengeance. They are quietly dying off. If anything, the looming threat of the US has cohesed the Cuban government and made their position stronger. Open the doors and let the market do the rest.

It's basically pandering by south-Florida politicians to the Cuban exile community.


Well, this and the fact that the US didn't like the fact their attempt at Regime change failed. The Soviets and the United States played a cruel game of cold war chess using third and second world nations
2013-01-27 11:22:22 AM  
1 votes:
"On Friday, Flake shrugged off what he called Menendez's "false indignation" and noted that the "spring break" line, a favorite of Flake's, made no mention of torture.

"I've said that so many times before, but it was the first time Menendez heard it, apparently," Flake, a former U.S. House member, told The Arizona Republic."

It wasn't like he insulted Cubans, he just made a joke about getting rid of Castro. I bet Cuban Expats have said worse things about how to oust Castro.
2013-01-27 11:22:03 AM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: hubiestubert: In fairness, ending this ban on travel, and letting market forces work is probably the way to go. We hold onto our policy because there is a generation of Cuban expatriates who dream that they will regain what they had, and with great vengeance. They are quietly dying off. If anything, the looming threat of the US has cohesed the Cuban government and made their position stronger. Open the doors and let the market do the rest.

With the death of the USSR Cuba got marginally weaker, but they became a much bigger player with oil money in South America.  The US can't let them off the hook yet, if only because Venezuela has turned into a shiathole simply to funnel money to Cuba.


And Cuba is willing to take it because it specifically tweaks the USA's stupid little ban. Communism is not fought by becoming communists, but the right-wing commies in the USA refuse to understand this. A collectivist system in which "industry" is so closely in control of government that the two are indisitinguishable is communism in all but name, after all. It doesn't how much it might wave around the American flag and carry the Cross.
2013-01-27 11:16:21 AM  
1 votes:
The guy only has one joke and azcentral.com publishes it.
2013-01-27 11:14:29 AM  
1 votes:
I've thought that opening them up to American trade would break the communist system like a twig. Do it.
2013-01-27 11:12:58 AM  
1 votes:

Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.


Look to Miami for the answer to that.

Whatever President normalizes relations with Cuba loses Florida in the next election (or his party does).
2013-01-27 11:07:59 AM  
1 votes:
www.entertainmentwallpaper.com

What Spring Breakers may look like...
2013-01-27 11:06:46 AM  
1 votes:

Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.



Because Cuba was Communist in Florida's back yard. Not allowed as per the Monroe Doctrine, etc.

Seriously, however, the Arizona Senator has a point. Legalize soft drugs at the same time, but distribute them only via taxable outlets. Retrain all the surplus cops as youth outreach workers. Win-win-win.
2013-01-27 11:06:01 AM  
1 votes:
Canada allows unrestricted travel to Cuba now, don't they?
2013-01-27 10:57:49 AM  
1 votes:
I'd be ok with that.
 
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