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(AZCentral)   Arizona Senator's suggests that if we really want to get tough with Cuba, we should allow free travel to the country and let the spring breakers do the rest   (azcentral.com) divider line 71
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2013-01-27 08:01:59 AM
In fairness, ending this ban on travel, and letting market forces work is probably the way to go. We hold onto our policy because there is a generation of Cuban expatriates who dream that they will regain what they had, and with great vengeance. They are quietly dying off. If anything, the looming threat of the US has cohesed the Cuban government and made their position stronger. Open the doors and let the market do the rest.
 
2013-01-27 08:14:40 AM

hubiestubert: In fairness, ending this ban on travel, and letting market forces work is probably the way to go. We hold onto our policy because there is a generation of Cuban expatriates who dream that they will regain what they had, and with great vengeance. They are quietly dying off. If anything, the looming threat of the US has cohesed the Cuban government and made their position stronger. Open the doors and let the market do the rest.


With the death of the USSR Cuba got marginally weaker, but they became a much bigger player with oil money in South America.  The US can't let them off the hook yet, if only because Venezuela has turned into a shiathole simply to funnel money to Cuba.

If Cuba wants to play nice, we can play nice, but they are going to have to give up delusions of grandeur about running all of South America by proxy.
 
2013-01-27 08:35:53 AM
Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.
 
2013-01-27 08:40:23 AM

Lsherm: With the death of the USSR Cuba got marginally weaker, but they became a much bigger player with oil money in South America.


Which is funneled in by the government. Let it happen on the street level...give the individual Cuban a crack at making some bank off the capitalist running dogs. Shiat will change post haste.
 
2013-01-27 09:17:11 AM
I want the last thing Fidel Castro sees on this earth to be a Walmart.
 
2013-01-27 09:49:53 AM
Wow. A Republican (my freshman Senator) wants to open up Cuba while a Dem does not. That's an interesting thing.

Oh and

U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., helped forge the compromise that last week left the Senate's filibuster largely intact. Former U.S. Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., also contributed to the negotiations. Although the filibuster is much-maligned by some, eliminating its 60-vote requirement "would have fundamentally changed the United States Senate forever," McCain told The Republic.

I'm sorry guys. I've voted against these idiots as often as I can.
 
2013-01-27 10:04:55 AM

Nadie_AZ: Wow. A Republican (my freshman Senator) wants to open up Cuba while a Dem does not. That's an interesting thing.

Oh and

U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., helped forge the compromise that last week left the Senate's filibuster largely intact. Former U.S. Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., also contributed to the negotiations. Although the filibuster is much-maligned by some, eliminating its 60-vote requirement "would have fundamentally changed the United States Senate forever," McCain told The Republic.

I'm sorry guys. I've voted against these idiots as often as I can.


Redi knew if he got rid of the filibuster that the Senate would turn into the House.  They did get rid of the "automatic" filibuster, so that's progress.
 
2013-01-27 10:24:50 AM
Maintaining sanctions on Cuba serves no practical purpose

/pure political theater
 
2013-01-27 10:57:49 AM
I'd be ok with that.
 
2013-01-27 11:04:52 AM
Wait, we're still upset at Castro for killing Kennedy?
 
2013-01-27 11:04:58 AM

Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.


Because Cuba farked with the Mob. And since the Mob and the politicians in the US are intertwined, using the Transitive property of Farking, they farked with the US government.
 
2013-01-27 11:05:22 AM

Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.


There isn't a Chinese Lobby that virtually controls electoral results in a major swing state.
 
2013-01-27 11:06:01 AM
Canada allows unrestricted travel to Cuba now, don't they?
 
2013-01-27 11:06:40 AM
I'm sure the last thing any Brits or Spaniards or Germans or Canadians want is another tropical vacation spot overrun with Americans.
 
2013-01-27 11:06:45 AM
Actually, it's probably a good idea. Remove the travel restrictions and Americans (including spring breakers) go in droves. Their money gives individual Cubans some measure of independence and choice that they've never had. Plus, they see the freedoms Americans have first hand and hear stories directly instead of filtered through State approved sources. Next thing you know, they're having a "Cuban Spring" demanding freedom for themselves...
 
2013-01-27 11:06:46 AM

Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.



Because Cuba was Communist in Florida's back yard. Not allowed as per the Monroe Doctrine, etc.

Seriously, however, the Arizona Senator has a point. Legalize soft drugs at the same time, but distribute them only via taxable outlets. Retrain all the surplus cops as youth outreach workers. Win-win-win.
 
2013-01-27 11:07:59 AM
www.entertainmentwallpaper.com

What Spring Breakers may look like...
 
2013-01-27 11:09:25 AM

hubiestubert: In fairness, ending this ban on travel, and letting market forces work is probably the way to go. We hold onto our policy because there is a generation of Cuban expatriates who dream that they will regain what they had, and with great vengeance. They are quietly dying off. If anything, the looming threat of the US has cohesed the Cuban government and made their position stronger. Open the doors and let the market do the rest.


It's basically pandering by south-Florida politicians to the Cuban exile community.
 
2013-01-27 11:12:01 AM
Duh...


/let's do this w/ Best Korea too. Maybe not spring break material but I'm sure they'd have some nice snowboarding.
 
2013-01-27 11:12:34 AM

Gunderson: Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.

Because Cuba farked with the Mob. And since the Mob and the politicians in the US are intertwined, using the Transitive property of Farking, they farked with the US government.


On the other hand, the mob is more ethical than the government.
 
2013-01-27 11:12:58 AM

Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.


Look to Miami for the answer to that.

Whatever President normalizes relations with Cuba loses Florida in the next election (or his party does).
 
2013-01-27 11:14:25 AM

Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.


Special interest groups sponsored by Las Vegas casinos. Blatantly obvious: gamble in a tropical paradise or the shiat-hole that Vegas has become.You open up Cuba and Vegas will go broke from loss of revenue as east coast gamblers and travelers will seek warmer climes.
 
2013-01-27 11:14:29 AM
I've thought that opening them up to American trade would break the communist system like a twig. Do it.
 
2013-01-27 11:16:21 AM
The guy only has one joke and azcentral.com publishes it.
 
2013-01-27 11:17:34 AM

Gunderson: Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.

Because Cuba farked with the Mob. And since the Mob and the politicians in the US are intertwined, using the Transitive property of Farking, they farked with the US government.


Not so much that, the Cuban Missile Crisis is the real reason, they let Russia park nukes there.

Also Castro took a huge dump on the US with the Mariel boat lift when he shipped over all the criminals and mentally ill to us.

The old school Cubans came over before the dictatorship. because they saw it coming.  The 50s,60s, and early 70s.

I have been to Cuba twice and while it is something to see, it is kinda meh.  There are lots of drunk Canadians chasing ugly cuban hookers though.

As for the older generation dying off, they have instilled a hatred of Castro into their younger generations who really want nothing to do with Cuba.

There is nothing interesting about a Repub wanting to open up Cuba, the largetst Repub voting block in South Florida is Cuban, which is why we always get a lily white Repub governor.
 
2013-01-27 11:19:00 AM

Lsherm: With the death of the USSR Cuba got marginally weaker, but they became a much bigger player with oil money in South America.  The US can't let them off the hook yet, if only because Venezuela has turned into a shiathole simply to funnel money to Cuba.


Why is it the farking business of the United States what Cuba or Venezuela does with their money? They're independent countries. The US claims to be about freedom but its own citizens are restricted from Cuba because the US government wants to tell Venezuela how to handle their internal affairs? Doesn't sound like land of the free to me. It's not about letting anyone "off the hook". It's about respecting the sovereignty of other nations and the freedom of US citizens. It's been half a century since Cuba posed a legitimate military threat to the United States. Now it's simply about the type of politics that keeps the world in conflict.
 
2013-01-27 11:21:59 AM
Nice apostrophe, jackass.
 
2013-01-27 11:22:03 AM

Lsherm: hubiestubert: In fairness, ending this ban on travel, and letting market forces work is probably the way to go. We hold onto our policy because there is a generation of Cuban expatriates who dream that they will regain what they had, and with great vengeance. They are quietly dying off. If anything, the looming threat of the US has cohesed the Cuban government and made their position stronger. Open the doors and let the market do the rest.

With the death of the USSR Cuba got marginally weaker, but they became a much bigger player with oil money in South America.  The US can't let them off the hook yet, if only because Venezuela has turned into a shiathole simply to funnel money to Cuba.


And Cuba is willing to take it because it specifically tweaks the USA's stupid little ban. Communism is not fought by becoming communists, but the right-wing commies in the USA refuse to understand this. A collectivist system in which "industry" is so closely in control of government that the two are indisitinguishable is communism in all but name, after all. It doesn't how much it might wave around the American flag and carry the Cross.
 
2013-01-27 11:22:22 AM
"On Friday, Flake shrugged off what he called Menendez's "false indignation" and noted that the "spring break" line, a favorite of Flake's, made no mention of torture.

"I've said that so many times before, but it was the first time Menendez heard it, apparently," Flake, a former U.S. House member, told The Arizona Republic."

It wasn't like he insulted Cubans, he just made a joke about getting rid of Castro. I bet Cuban Expats have said worse things about how to oust Castro.
 
2013-01-27 11:23:43 AM

EngineerAU: Lsherm: With the death of the USSR Cuba got marginally weaker, but they became a much bigger player with oil money in South America.  The US can't let them off the hook yet, if only because Venezuela has turned into a shiathole simply to funnel money to Cuba.

Why is it the farking business of the United States what Cuba or Venezuela does with their money?t.


In The Simpsons, all lunch money belongs to Nelson, hence Nelson's interest in all lunch money.
 
2013-01-27 11:25:24 AM

JosephFinn: hubiestubert: In fairness, ending this ban on travel, and letting market forces work is probably the way to go. We hold onto our policy because there is a generation of Cuban expatriates who dream that they will regain what they had, and with great vengeance. They are quietly dying off. If anything, the looming threat of the US has cohesed the Cuban government and made their position stronger. Open the doors and let the market do the rest.

It's basically pandering by south-Florida politicians to the Cuban exile community.


Well, this and the fact that the US didn't like the fact their attempt at Regime change failed. The Soviets and the United States played a cruel game of cold war chess using third and second world nations
 
2013-01-27 11:26:49 AM
Senator's suggests
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Also, senators would suggest, not suggests
/pretty high word : fail ratio in this headline
 
2013-01-27 11:29:34 AM

clowncar on fire: Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.

Special interest groups sponsored by Las Vegas casinos. Blatantly obvious: gamble in a tropical paradise or the shiat-hole that Vegas has become.You open up Cuba and Vegas will go broke from loss of revenue as east coast gamblers and travelers will seek warmer climes.


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2013-01-27 11:30:41 AM

amquelbettamin: Nice apostrophe, jackass.


The Arizona Senator's what?

/came here to fark with subby too
 
2013-01-27 11:31:39 AM

JasonOfOrillia: I'm sure the last thing any Brits or Spaniards or Germans or Canadians want is another tropical vacation spot overrun with Americans.


Don't worry, most of them still don't have passports.
 
2013-01-27 11:46:33 AM
Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.

In what possible way could China be considered communist today?
 
2013-01-27 11:50:57 AM
 
2013-01-27 11:51:28 AM
That politician who is against this...

Isn't that the Menendez guy who was seeing underage prostitutes? Yeah, he doesn't get to have an opinion on morality anymore.
 
2013-01-27 11:53:41 AM
If we had opened up total free trade and travel with Cuba 30 years ago, they'd be firmly capitalist today.
 
2013-01-27 11:56:37 AM
And with free travel to Cuba Menendez won't have to go to the Dominican Republic for his hookers.
 
2013-01-27 11:58:39 AM
I always wondered, what did the dog possess that I should be aware of? It's phrased like a question on Match Game - "Be aware of dog's blank?"

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2013-01-27 11:59:43 AM
From the Department of Unintended Consequences at Senor Frog's:

- Cuba opens up to US tourists.

- Massive layoffs in Cancun, Puerto Vallarta, etc

- Lots of former bartenders & taxi drivers in the US Doing Jobs Americans Won't Do.
 
2013-01-27 12:06:24 PM
From Arizona? oh, goodie
As a native Miamian (go ahead, mock) this is funny
There are enough politically connected Cubans in this area to drown out this idea if they choose

If any of you are interested, look into plans for Castro's demise - not that part about Miami having riot contingency plans but what large corporations (ie, bacardi) already have laid claims to large swaths of the island. There is anticipation of years of litigation between corporate interests and exiles' claims to the same property - it will be interesting.

FWIW - my family used to go to cuba for dinner and a show way back when - but i doubt what we need is a new corporate run tourist site in a disaster prone area.
 
2013-01-27 12:08:34 PM

Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.


For laughs ask people coming out of any big-box retailer if they buy products from communist countries.
 
2013-01-27 12:14:32 PM

theflatline: Gunderson: Flint Ironstag: Always wondered why the US banned all travel and trade with Cuba while buying billions of dollars of Chinese goods. They're both communist.

Because Cuba farked with the Mob. And since the Mob and the politicians in the US are intertwined, using the Transitive property of Farking, they farked with the US government.

Not so much that, the Cuban Missile Crisis is the real reason, they let Russia park nukes there.

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The full embargo was in effect 8 months before the Cuban Missile Crisis.
 
2013-01-27 12:15:58 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: If we had opened up total free trade and travel with Cuba 30 years ago, they'd be firmly capitalist today.


Castro wouldn't go for it, his whole schtick was "protecting" the people from the US.

American elected officials won't go for it because they are beholden to a small number of single-issue voters in Florida.
 
2013-01-27 12:32:19 PM
Send the spring break bunch down there....it would be like a REVERSE Mariel boatlift
Link
 
2013-01-27 12:36:34 PM
media.al.com
Or it could be the other way around.
 
2013-01-27 12:47:47 PM

Gulper Eel: I want the last thing Fidel Castro sees on this earth to be a Walmart.


...where gay men buy Che shirts and Uncle Sam hats and parade to a disco back beat.
 
2013-01-27 01:02:51 PM

Rozinante: JasonOfOrillia: I'm sure the last thing any Brits or Spaniards or Germans or Canadians want is another tropical vacation spot overrun with Americans.

Don't worry, most of them still don't have passports.


Ya cause Germans and brits are such peaches on vacation.
 
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