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2013-01-27 08:53:02 AM

mekkab: The peeps in my hood are all cray-cray about not having smart meters installed. So this article comes as ZERO surprise to me.

/has a smart meter
//growing a third arm as I type this


Awesome. No more posting one-handed.
 
2013-01-27 08:54:58 AM
1. Naperville has very quickly become the worst of Illinois. Never before have I seen such smug concentrated into one town.

2. What have they to say about their water meters that have been doing this since '00 ?
 
2013-01-27 08:56:24 AM

Kyosuke: Awesome. No more posting one-handed.


not quite... I'm also double-packing under the belt, as well.
 
2013-01-27 08:57:20 AM
health risks due to the meter's wireless transmitter's omission of electromagnetic frequencies surfaced in 2011. People with the meters installed on their homes reported symptoms such as headaches, insomnia, tinnitus, and DNA breakdown.

Oh bullshiat. Jesus you people are farking morans.
 
2013-01-27 08:57:57 AM

mekkab: Kyosuke: Awesome. No more posting one-handed.

not quite... I'm also double-packing under the belt, as well.


Eventually you'll learn to alternate.
 
2013-01-27 08:58:33 AM

HoneyDog: Oh, they know. THEY KNOW.

So my dogs would just be SOL.

Huh?

Electricity is cheaper at night. A smart reader knows *when* you are using electricity, so they can change the rates based on overall demand in the system. (A little cheaper at night, a little more expensive during the day for example.) There are in fact power/profit generation plants that operate on this principal alone.

Of course a smart meter would know when I'm using the electricity. You missed the point. I sometimes work at home, so they could shut off my AC when I'm at home? What about my dogs, are they supposed to die of heat exhaustion because the company wants to shut off my AC during the day.

If you want to keep your AC on during the day, that's your prerogative.

Not according to the smart meter that is set at 75 degrees in the evening from 4 pm to 10 pm M-F and all day Saturday and Sunday. And is set at 78 degrees M-F from 7 am to 4 pm when we are usually out of the house.


What the HELL are you talking about???
 
2013-01-27 08:59:39 AM
You may not agree with these broads but they have a right to their opinion. Just because you are glad to drink the no frills Kool Aid is no reason to be stupid (or ignorant). There is nothing natural about the plethora of corporate/government transmissions through our environment. Every year there is more uninvited corruption of our air, water and earth. Where is Billy Jack when we need him the most?

Everything has a price. Your cars pollute. Your TV's rot your mind and waste your time. Your cell phones and microwave ovens have side effects. Just because you all want to be willing pawns does not mean everyone has to go silently into the night. Corporations don't give a damn if you die tomorrow or if your children are born all farked up. Look at what they did to the Indians. Don't forget about the Dutch, too. Not to be trusted, none of them.
 
2013-01-27 09:00:50 AM
Here, PECO stopped installing smart meter last year due to fire concerns.  They've since resumed installing.  One showed up on the house a few weeks ago.
 
2013-01-27 09:01:05 AM

Mrtraveler01: And do they know that the electric company already keeps track of how much electricity they use?

Or am I missing the point here.


Rf devices are usually pretty easy to break into. They're not concerned with what info the electric company has on them, they're worried that these devices essentially open up their data for the world to see. And quite honestly, the fees they must pay to maintain the same type of data collection they always had are absurdly high.
 
2013-01-27 09:02:02 AM

Lsherm:  I'm getting the roof painted with silver reflective paint this spring, so I hope that takes some of the heat load off the house.


Oh my yes, it will.

I was tasked to re-tar the roof of one of our buildings with the fancy $50/bucket silver-colored stuff. In August. It cut down the A/C loads immediately. The compressor would actually shut off sometimes!
 
2013-01-27 09:02:32 AM

HoneyDog: Of course a smart meter would know when I'm using the electricity. You missed the point. I sometimes work at home, so they could shut off my AC when I'm at home? What about my dogs, are they supposed to die of heat exhaustion because the company wants to shut off my AC during the day.


Yes, and they can turn off all the lights and turn off your TV  to MSNBC anytime they want.

If you really think that's the purpose behind these smart meters, then you're really missing the point.
 
2013-01-27 09:05:40 AM
I have been using a Smart Meter for a year and a half now. I willingly signed up to be on a test program and a hundred or so people throughout my area got the meters.

I have found many benefits, including that I can now log online and see my real time usage. Additionally I pay half the amount per KwH on weekends and at night than I do during the day. By keeping my Thermostat down during the day and only doing laundry at night or on the weekends my electric bill has dropped 30 percent or so.
 
2013-01-27 09:07:09 AM
What the HELL are you talking about???

Do try to follow the conversation. I said, sarcastically, that why should a power company be allowed to use a smart meter to turn off my AC during the day when nobody is home. (obviously it isn't something possible at this time). Some fool thought should turn it off during the day or at least be charged a different rate. So my response is why should my dogs suffer or die because the AC is off during the day. The same fool said was my prerogative to have my AC on during the day. So I was merely mentioning that I have a programmable thermostat so I can set it to be warmer but not off when we are out of the house.

And as an aside, our local power company just was granted a rate increase. Why? Because so many of us were using our power wisely that they were losing money due to decreased demand. Fun little scenario: 1) urge people to use less so they save money, 2) people respond by getting more energy efficient gadgets and being wise with their power usage, 3) power company raises rates so all savings the people realized by following their original suggestions goes up in smoke.
 
2013-01-27 09:09:00 AM

HoneyDog: Oh, they know. THEY KNOW.

So my dogs would just be SOL.

Huh?

Electricity is cheaper at night. A smart reader knows *when* you are using electricity, so they can change the rates based on overall demand in the system. (A little cheaper at night, a little more expensive during the day for example.) There are in fact power/profit generation plants that operate on this principal alone.

Of course a smart meter would know when I'm using the electricity. You missed the point. I sometimes work at home, so they could shut off my AC when I'm at home? What about my dogs, are they supposed to die of heat exhaustion because the company wants to shut off my AC during the day.

If you want to keep your AC on during the day, that's your prerogative.

Not according to the smart meter that is set at 75 degrees in the evening from 4 pm to 10 pm M-F and all day Saturday and Sunday. And is set at 78 degrees M-F from 7 am to 4 pm when we are usually out of the house.


You know there is a difference between a smart meter and a smart thermostat, right? The smart meter records your power usage as a function of the time of day, and the smart thermostat changes your AC/heat usage based on the times that you program into it. The meter does not control the thermostat - you do.
 
2013-01-27 09:10:04 AM
What I found disturbing was that one of the women was arrested for filming the police.
 
2013-01-27 09:11:06 AM
If you really think that's the purpose behind these smart meters, then you're really missing the point.

Nope, I don't think that is what is behind the smart meters. They power company thinks they can save money using them. Despite its simplicity, a uniform wireless smart meter network is actually more expensive to run and offers few or no revenue opportunities to a utility to offset the cost of installation.
 
2013-01-27 09:12:42 AM
There was an amusing story in the local paper a few months ago. Seems that one day a woman saw a Hydro employee enter her yard, presumably to install a smart meter. She claims that the next day she started experiencing headaches, nausea, and all the classic "symtoms" associated with EMF "sensitivity". (Obviously, there was something dangerous about the smart meter, but only a handful of people are "special" enough to feel its effects).

This was brought to the attention to the head of the local Hydro office. He confirmed that while the woman's house was indeed scheduled to receive a smart meter, the installation hadn't yet occurred, and the person she saw was likely just the regular meter reader.
 
2013-01-27 09:12:53 AM

Nullav: People with the meters installed on their homes reported symptoms such as headaches, insomnia, tinnitus, and DNA breakdown.

God, I hate that feeling. Do you have any idea how irritating that tingle is, ever time the phone rings? Chromosomal erosion sucks.


thebioscopist.files.wordpress.com

Feels your pain.
 
2013-01-27 09:13:02 AM
You know there is a difference between a smart meter and a smart thermostat, right? The smart meter records your power usage as a function of the time of day, and the smart thermostat changes your AC/heat usage based on the times that you program into it. The meter does not control the thermostat - you do.

NOOOOOO, I would have never figured that. Of course I know that. I was responding to the fool that said I had the prerogative to leave my AC on during the day. I wasn't trying to compare the PROGRAMMABLE thermostat to a smart meter.
 
2013-01-27 09:14:50 AM

HoneyDog: If you really think that's the purpose behind these smart meters, then you're really missing the point.

Nope, I don't think that is what is behind the smart meters. They power company thinks they can save money using them. Despite its simplicity, a uniform wireless smart meter network is actually more expensive to run and offers few or no revenue opportunities to a utility to offset the cost of installation.


How do you know that? Or is it something you just made up?
 
2013-01-27 09:15:02 AM

HoneyDog: Do try to follow the conversation. I said, sarcastically, that why should a power company be allowed to use a smart meter to turn off my AC during the day when nobody is home. (obviously it isn't something possible at this time). Some fool thought should turn it off during the day or at least be charged a different rate. So my response is why should my dogs suffer or die because the AC is off during the day. The same fool said was my prerogative to have my AC on during the day. So I was merely mentioning that I have a programmable thermostat so I can set it to be warmer but not off when we are out of the house.


No one ever suggested that a smart meter would or should have the ability to shut off one's AC.

This About That: 2. It allows the utility to adjust the price in real time against the real time demand, thus allowing us to adjust our usage to make the best use of the energy we buy. Charge the electric car or do the laundry at night. Turn off the air conditioner if everyone is at school or work during the hottest part of the day. Use the energy when it is cheapest. A dumb power meter can't tell the difference, but a smart meter can.


This poster was suggesting that the consumer could use the data provided by the smart meter to make their own completely voluntary adjustments to their power usage in order to take best advantage on lower non-peak rates.
 
2013-01-27 09:15:30 AM

HoneyDog: You know there is a difference between a smart meter and a smart thermostat, right? The smart meter records your power usage as a function of the time of day, and the smart thermostat changes your AC/heat usage based on the times that you program into it. The meter does not control the thermostat - you do.

NOOOOOO, I would have never figured that. Of course I know that. I was responding to the fool that said I had the prerogative to leave my AC on during the day. I wasn't trying to compare the PROGRAMMABLE thermostat to a smart meter.


I think you should stop posting now.
 
2013-01-27 09:16:27 AM
How do you know that? Or is it something you just made up?


GOOGLE IT.
 
2013-01-27 09:17:19 AM

HoneyDog: How do you know that? Or is it something you just made up?


GOOGLE IT.


You made the claim. You supply the evidence.
 
2013-01-27 09:21:15 AM
You made the claim. You supply the evidence.

You claim I made it up, PROVE IT.
 
2013-01-27 09:22:01 AM

Mrtraveler01: HoneyDog: Of course a smart meter would know when I'm using the electricity. You missed the point. I sometimes work at home, so they could shut off my AC when I'm at home? What about my dogs, are they supposed to die of heat exhaustion because the company wants to shut off my AC during the day.

Yes, and they can turn off all the lights and turn off your TV  to MSNBC anytime they want.

If you really think that's the purpose behind these smart meters, then you're really missing the point.


The real point is to make as much money as possible.

Oh... and the ability to turn off the power remotely to those who haven't paid their bill.
 
2013-01-27 09:22:13 AM

HoneyDog: You made the claim. You supply the evidence.

You claim I made it up, PROVE IT.


And we're done here.
 
2013-01-27 09:22:16 AM
1) Wait until 2AM
2) Wrap the meter in an RF Reflective material
3) Cheap electricity for the whole month!
 
2013-01-27 09:23:14 AM

WhippingBoy: HoneyDog: How do you know that? Or is it something you just made up?


GOOGLE IT.

You made the claim. You supply the evidence.


Wow, that was hard...

After receiving numerous complaints about health, hacking, and privacy concerns with the wireless digital devices, the Public Utility Commission of the US state of Maine voted to allow customers to opt out of the meter change at a cost of $12 a month.[18] In Connecticut, another US state to consider smart metering recently, regulators declined a request by the state's largest utility, Connecticut Light & Power, to install 1.2 million of the devices, arguing that the potential savings in electric bills do not justify the cost. CL&P already offers its customers time-based rates. The state's Attorney General George Jepsen was quoted as saying the proposal would cause customers to spend upwards of $500 million on meters and get few benefits in return, a claim that Connecticut Light & Power disputed.[19]

If CT tells you to fark off, then there is no doubt that you're screwing customers.
 
2013-01-27 09:23:55 AM

WhippingBoy: HoneyDog: How do you know that? Or is it something you just made up?
GOOGLE IT.
You made the claim. You supply the evidence.


You haven't done your homework buddy.....
 
2013-01-27 09:24:07 AM

KrispyKritter: You may not agree with these broads but they have a right to their opinion. Just because you are glad to drink the no frills Kool Aid is no reason to be stupid (or ignorant). There is nothing natural about the plethora of corporate/government transmissions through our environment. Every year there is more uninvited corruption of our air, water and earth. Where is Billy Jack when we need him the most?

Everything has a price. Your cars pollute. Your TV's rot your mind and waste your time. Your cell phones and microwave ovens have side effects. Just because you all want to be willing pawns does not mean everyone has to go silently into the night. Corporations don't give a damn if you die tomorrow or if your children are born all farked up. Look at what they did to the Indians. Don't forget about the Dutch, too. Not to be trusted, none of them.


Don't forget cameras. Everyone knows that if you get your picture taken, the camera steals your soul. Yet the government does nothing to stop them.
 
2013-01-27 09:24:42 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: WhippingBoy: HoneyDog: How do you know that? Or is it something you just made up?


GOOGLE IT.

You made the claim. You supply the evidence.

Wow, that was hard...

After receiving numerous complaints about health, hacking, and privacy concerns with the wireless digital devices, the Public Utility Commission of the US state of Maine voted to allow customers to opt out of the meter change at a cost of $12 a month.[18] In Connecticut, another US state to consider smart metering recently, regulators declined a request by the state's largest utility, Connecticut Light & Power, to install 1.2 million of the devices, arguing that the potential savings in electric bills do not justify the cost. CL&P already offers its customers time-based rates. The state's Attorney General George Jepsen was quoted as saying the proposal would cause customers to spend upwards of $500 million on meters and get few benefits in return, a claim that Connecticut Light & Power disputed.[19]

If CT tells you to fark off, then there is no doubt that you're screwing customers.


In other words, you're going to pay one way or another.
 
2013-01-27 09:25:23 AM

This About That: 1. Collect your power bill without sending the meter reader out to your house. This is a tradeoff, from our standpoint, between meter reading jobs and the price of our utility service.


That can be done by "Automatic Meter Reading" meters. Smart meters are an all together different type of animal.

2. It allows the utility to adjust the price in real time against the real time demand, thus allowing us to adjust our usage to make the best use of the energy we buy. Charge the electric car or do the laundry at night. Turn off the air conditioner if everyone is at school or work during the hottest part of the day. Use the energy when it is cheapest. A dumb power meter can't tell the difference, but a smart meter can.

Also done by AMRs, which typically record your usage per hour and send the information back to the utility. Whether the consumer saves any money is debatable. Peaks in electricity demand happen when they do because those are the most convenient times for people to use their appliances. Unless you feel like watching TV and cooking at 3am, chances are you're not going to adjust your usage. On the other hand utilities can now charge a "peak time" premium, because fark you, they can.

As for actual Smart Meters, the name usually refers to a meter which collects real time usage information (as opposed to hour by hour) and has a two-way communication system, so the utility (or a malicious 3rd party) can, for example remotely shut off your power, because fark you, they can.

Now, the other point about real time information that the utility company can really see what's going on inside your house. They know when you wake up, they know when you leave the house, when you come home, when you watch TV and when you go to bed. Different appliances have slightly different load characteristics, especially when starting up or shutting down, so you can tell whether somebody has just turned on their TV or they microwave, even if they both draw the same amount of power. What are utilities going to do with all that interesting data?

The fact is that smart meters are a bit too smart for their own good. The beneficial stuff can all be done using simpler technology.
 
2013-01-27 09:25:39 AM
Fascist progressives arresting people on behalf of corporations. She was arrested for filming on her own farking property! Every so-called-progressive should be rounded up and shot imo.
 
2013-01-27 09:27:04 AM

HoneyDog: If you really think that's the purpose behind these smart meters, then you're really missing the point.

Nope, I don't think that is what is behind the smart meters. They power company thinks they can save money using them. Despite its simplicity, a uniform wireless smart meter network is actually more expensive to run and offers few or no revenue opportunities to a utility to offset the cost of installation.


Huh? My "dumb" meter has been on my house for 40 year. They have been paying someone for 40 years to come out and read it. How many of these foot soldiers does it take to cover a town? And how many days does it take?

Now take the initial cost of the meter, installation, and equipment to read. Divide that over another 40 years eliminating the salary of all those foot soldiers because you can now read the entire town with one truck, in a day.

If they are going "full network", they are most likely buying time off of a municipalities, or will be selling time on theirs to the municipality/other utilities.

This can be a revenue generator and a cost saver, plain and simple
 
2013-01-27 09:30:02 AM

Alex Broughton Butt Chugger: ZackDanger: HoneyDog: 2. It allows the utility to adjust the price in real time against the real time demand, thus allowing us to adjust our usage to make the best use of the energy we buy. Charge the electric car or do the laundry at night. Turn off the air conditioner if everyone is at school or work during the hottest part of the day. Use the energy when it is cheapest. A dumb power meter can't tell the difference, but a smart meter can.


How do they know if there is nobody in the house? I work from home some days. And what about my dogs? Why should they suffer in the heat?

Huh?

Electricity is cheaper at night. A smart reader knows *when* you are using electricity, so they can change the rates based on overall demand in the system. (A little cheaper at night, a little more expensive during the day for example.) There are in fact power/profit generation plants that operate on this principal alone.

http://www.firstlightpower.com/generation/north.asp

If you want to keep your AC on during the day, that's your prerogative.

Yeah, because fark night workers right? I mean sure, you'd like to be taken care of after your late night car crash, but that'll just have to wait till tomorrow. See, our underpaid night workers like to sleep with the AC on, because it's hot during the day. And bright. But of course they should pay more for that privilege, right? Because the world operates exactly within your preconceived notions of what is normal right? Your experience is representative of everyone else's.


Whoa. Easy.

I was just addressing the *fact* that electricity is more expensive during times of higher demand (less surplus)... which, in our mostly first shift society, happens to be during the day.

(I work second and third shifts.)
 
2013-01-27 09:31:20 AM

Lsherm: I'm sure I'll work it out over the next 20 years or so. What made the house tolerable when it was built - 19 million windows, works against it now.


Have you had a blower-door test? They're pretty cheap, and the type of insulation you're using requires an air barrier. if there are gaps in your air barrier, your insulation is going to be less effective. I'd start with that before adding any more insulation. My guess is you have several big air gaps. You can ask the person doing the test to use the add-a-hole method to get a really precise estimate of how many square feet are open.

Also, if you have lots of windows, there are some pretty good shade options that will really reduce the heat through your windows. Google for cellular shade solar gain. You can also look at getting wood double-hung storm windows with a uv-glazing. They're gonna be pricey, but they'll virtually eliminate the heat that comes in through the windows during the summer, and you can easily remove them to let the heat back in during the winter when you want it, and you only need them for the most exposed windows.
 
2013-01-27 09:33:14 AM

This About That: Good grief.

My fellow conspiratorialists: I love the idea that it is only healthy for one to distrust Big Money and Big Gummint, and believe you me I am sensitive to eavesdropping issues and the loss of our personal privacy. But this ain't it. Smart meters allow the power company to do two things:

1. Collect your power bill without sending the meter reader out to your house. This is a tradeoff, from our standpoint, between meter reading jobs and the price of our utility service.

2. It allows the utility to adjust the price in real time against the real time demand, thus allowing us to adjust our usage to make the best use of the energy we buy. Charge the electric car or do the laundry at night. Turn off the air conditioner if everyone is at school or work during the hottest part of the day. Use the energy when it is cheapest. A dumb power meter can't tell the difference, but a smart meter can.

Another little issue is that the utility company really does own the meter and really can do whatever they please with it. Threatening a meter installer is just plain stoopid, and I don't care what your local fearmongers are selling. They aren't always right, as they aren't in this case. The low power RF needed to drive-by read your meter is not going to affect your little bear cubs. Also, if you quote Sarah Palin, you should go to jail in handcuffs.


Even if they own the meter they don't own the property. It's trespassing for them to come on someone else's property without permission
 
2013-01-27 09:34:04 AM
The worst "big gubmint" part of this story was arresting the woman who was recording the officers arresting the housewife.
 
2013-01-27 09:34:14 AM
Soverign MILF now in play?

*watches video* meh

Broads ? Jesus man, who calls women "Broads"? Seriously, it's just this attitude that keeps you going home from the bar and humping your fist night after night.

Everything has a price. Your cars pollute. Your TV's rot your mind and waste your time. Your cell phones and microwave ovens have side effects. Just because you all want to be willing pawns does not mean everyone has to go silently into the night.

That's right and in this case the price is about $25/ a month plus about $70 an install - or - don't be so cheap and put a Faraday cage into the sheet rock
 
2013-01-27 09:35:53 AM

Bad_Seed: This About That: 1. Collect your power bill without sending the meter reader out to your house. This is a tradeoff, from our standpoint, between meter reading jobs and the price of our utility service.

That can be done by "Automatic Meter Reading" meters. Smart meters are an all together different type of animal.

2. It allows the utility to adjust the price in real time against the real time demand, thus allowing us to adjust our usage to make the best use of the energy we buy. Charge the electric car or do the laundry at night. Turn off the air conditioner if everyone is at school or work during the hottest part of the day. Use the energy when it is cheapest. A dumb power meter can't tell the difference, but a smart meter can.

Also done by AMRs, which typically record your usage per hour and send the information back to the utility. Whether the consumer saves any money is debatable. Peaks in electricity demand happen when they do because those are the most convenient times for people to use their appliances. Unless you feel like watching TV and cooking at 3am, chances are you're not going to adjust your usage. On the other hand utilities can now charge a "peak time" premium, because fark you, they can.

As for actual Smart Meters, the name usually refers to a meter which collects real time usage information (as opposed to hour by hour) and has a two-way communication system, so the utility (or a malicious 3rd party) can, for example remotely shut off your power, because fark you, they can.

Now, the other point about real time information that the utility company can really see what's going on inside your house. They know when you wake up, they know when you leave the house, when you come home, when you watch TV and when you go to bed. Different appliances have slightly different load characteristics, especially when starting up or shutting down, so you can tell whether somebody has just turned on their TV or they microwave, even if they both draw the same amoun ...


It's all a conspiracy.
 
2013-01-27 09:36:22 AM

Marcintosh: Broads ? Jesus man, who calls women "Broads"? Seriously, it's just this attitude that keeps you going home from the bar and humping your fist night after night.


This. Everyone knows that broads prefer to be called "dames" or "dollymops".
 
2013-01-27 09:36:46 AM
How do you report feeling "DNA breakdown"?

In anycase, Illinois continues to prove itself the most corrupt State in the US over and over again.

Idiot cops even charge her with videotaping them even though that was ruled unconstitutional for them to do so, but that sure didn't stop them.
 
2013-01-27 09:38:59 AM

This About That:
Also, if you quote Sarah Palin, you should go to jail in handcuffs.


This.
 
2013-01-27 09:39:54 AM
Here's how this should have played out...

Don't want a smart meter?
Pay for the alternative meter.
Don't want to pay for the alternative meter?
Utility company shuts your service off at the transformer.
Interfere with a cop on the scene while utility company is shutting off your electricity?
That's a jailin'.
Go to jail for recording a police officer in public?
That's a lawsuit.

/Illinois: Arrest everybody and let the courts sort it out
 
2013-01-27 09:41:40 AM

Lsherm: I'm sure I'll work it out over the next 20 years or so. ...


I have a c1780 farmhouse. Made a huge difference when I rolled out unfaced R30, 2 layers worth - at 90 degrees to each other, on top of all the old floorboards in the crawlspaces & did 12" of blown-in for the attic space. All I had was old insulation of 3-6" below the old floorboards. For storage, I used 2x4 to frame out a platform just above the R30 layers and screwed to the rafters for one side and put plywood over top. You might consider the same in your attic - you will lose storage space but the energy savings would be tremendous.
 
2013-01-27 09:49:04 AM

mrlewish: Solution. Solar panels.
Insulated bolt cutters.


You don't need bolt cutters. If you can generate all of your own electricity, just have your service disconnected.
 
2013-01-27 09:53:03 AM
The funny thing about the idea behind smart meters is that "it's going to help you save money".

Horseshiat.  It's going to cost us money no matter how you look at it.  If anything, it will exploit the times you need energy the most and try to negate as much the off-peak hour savings.
 
2013-01-27 09:54:08 AM

ExJerseyGirl: What I found disturbing was that one of the women was arrested for filming the police.


That's because she kept telling them to take off their shirts and waving dollar bills.
 
2013-01-27 09:54:33 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Mrtraveler01: And do they know that the electric company already keeps track of how much electricity they use?

Or am I missing the point here.

Rf devices are usually pretty easy to break into. They're not concerned with what info the electric company has on them, they're worried that these devices essentially open up their data for the world to see. And quite honestly, the fees they must pay to maintain the same type of data collection they always had are absurdly high.


It is a lot easier to walk up to a new or old fashioned meter and see how fast it is spinning than to scan for an RF signal.
 
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