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(WWSB ABC 7)   "We had a person that was doctor shopping and after we looking into it more we discovered she had 56 doctors, over 150 to 170 different scripts, and over 70 different pharmacies"   (mysuncoast.com) divider line 169
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2013-01-26 09:13:35 PM  
Those numbers are amazing. I've seen multiple docs and duplicate scripts.... But, Jesus.
 
2013-01-26 09:15:29 PM  
Rush's sister? Wife? Drag persona?
 
2013-01-26 09:19:53 PM  
This is why I can't get something for my farking back.
 
2013-01-26 09:21:07 PM  

teto85: Rush's sister? Wife? Drag persona?


Supplier
 
2013-01-26 09:30:23 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: teto85: Rush's sister? Wife? Drag persona?

Supplier


So, she could then be any of those.
 
2013-01-26 09:33:46 PM  
I find one trip to my doctor and a trip to one pharmacy exhausting enough. Holy shiat.
 
2013-01-26 09:38:36 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Those numbers are amazing. I've seen multiple docs and duplicate scripts.... But, Jesus.


Florida.

Medical-scam capital of the universe.
 
2013-01-26 09:44:16 PM  
I told my dentist Vicodin made me itchy so she prescribed me Percocet instead. I was a happy camper.

/csb
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 09:49:35 PM  
As of a couple years ago Florida was the drug supplier for a lot of the East coast. The Cape Cod Times had a series of stories. As long as it's quasi-legal to make money off bogus prescription writing there will be shops set up to write bogus prescriptions.
 
2013-01-26 10:19:44 PM  
I found her mugshot
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-26 10:22:19 PM  
Why don't we just legalize recreational drug use?

Then doctors could review your medical records and advise you on the safest ways to get high and how to do so responsibly while pharmacists could legally sell you OTC strength things like marijuana and ecstasy and the really responsible types could get more dangerous things like opium fresh from Afghanistan which would boost their local economy if they could export it legally directly to America they'd finally have money to live a western lifestyle of relative opulence and it would reduce terrorism, end wars, and start to reduce the population once when everyone has pill-dick and can't finish.
 
2013-01-27 01:09:41 AM  

cretinbob: This is why I can't get something for my farking back.


This is exactly why.
 
2013-01-27 01:12:25 AM  
Say it with me. "As soon as something becomes primarily about money.."
 
2013-01-27 01:15:37 AM  
Holy shiat does Florida not track that shiat at all? Here they would be up your ass after the first two scripts.
 
2013-01-27 01:17:18 AM  

doglover: Why don't we just legalize recreational drug use?

Then doctors could review your medical records and advise you on the safest ways to get high and how to do so responsibly while pharmacists could legally sell you OTC strength things like marijuana and ecstasy and the really responsible types could get more dangerous things like opium fresh from Afghanistan which would boost their local economy if they could export it legally directly to America they'd finally have money to live a western lifestyle of relative opulence and it would reduce terrorism, end wars, and start to reduce the population once when everyone has pill-dick and can't finish.


Because that would be logical.
 
2013-01-27 01:17:50 AM  
" after we looking into it"?
 
2013-01-27 01:22:43 AM  
This is what we in Florida call "a Floridian."
 
2013-01-27 01:23:03 AM  
What's his fark reddit handle?
 
2013-01-27 01:23:12 AM  

cretinbob: This is why I can't get something for my farking back.


Yup. It's why so awful for me to get a new ambien prescription when I moved. I came in with my medical records, and my former doctor's phone number, and a write up of how my sleep disorder has affected me throughout my life and how well my medication has been working for the last several years- and still got treated like an addict looking for fun stuff.

It was really demeaning and dehumanizing to have to go through that process too.
 
2013-01-27 01:23:50 AM  
She had memory problems!
 
2013-01-27 01:24:08 AM  
DOH! Her.....
 
2013-01-27 01:26:16 AM  
Can we legalize marijuana yet?
 
2013-01-27 01:27:43 AM  

SquiggsIN: Florida does not have a prescription drug registration, database, or pretty much any control over what licensed doctors do in their state.

This should've just been labled with the usual "Florida" tag as the entire state is "Scary".


This
 
2013-01-27 01:28:13 AM  
I swiped a few pills from my dog's vet. I thought I got Special-K, but it was just a few heart worm pills.
 
2013-01-27 01:28:19 AM  

Smackledorfer: Can we legalize marijuana yet?


Will that stop "doctors" from whoring out their prescription pads for a cut of the dope trade?
 
2013-01-27 01:31:12 AM  
"We had a person that was doctor shopping and after we looking into it more we discovered she had 56 doctors, over 150 to 170 different scripts, and over 70 different pharmacies,"

So what? Maybe she suffers from chronic pain and can't get adequately treated from just one doctor because of all this insane anti-drug hysteria. Or maybe she is just taking these pills for fun, but again, so what? Her body, her business.
 
2013-01-27 01:31:43 AM  
Wow, I'm impressed.
 
2013-01-27 01:33:04 AM  

bunner: Say it with me. "As soon as something becomes primarily about money.."


...It will be banned, because people invested in the paper industry feel threatened by it?
 
2013-01-27 01:33:16 AM  
Its funny that prescription drug abuse is as big or bigger of a problem than illicit drugs, but it never gets as much attention.
 
2013-01-27 01:36:17 AM  

ILoveBurritos: Its funny that prescription drug abuse is as big or bigger of a problem than illicit drugs, but it never gets as much attention.


Too much profit involved.
 
2013-01-27 01:36:22 AM  

LordJiro: bunner: Say it with me. "As soon as something becomes primarily about money.."

...It will be banned, because people invested in the paper industry feel threatened by it?


No, the thing it's supposed to be about is the thing it was about. Your doctor may be a failed stockbroker.
 
2013-01-27 01:36:40 AM  
I refuse to take any kind of narcotic analgesic for fear of addiction. I've taken them twice, once after I had my wisdom teeth out, (I took one pill and didn't really need that) and once when I broke down during a sinus infection and took one offered to me by my wife, felt very very guilty after that. I won't touch them anymore at all, and I'm hoping that I can keep singing that tune if I'm in pain.
 
2013-01-27 01:38:01 AM  
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2013-01-27 01:39:16 AM  

Gyrfalcon: cretinbob: This is why I can't get something for my farking back.

This is exactly why.


And if even one person needing a pain rx is turned away in our attempts to stop abusers from taking drugs, the system has failed.

This bullshiat logical of throwing the baby out with the bathwater has to stop in this nation.

This is nothing but a new witchhunt from the same WARONDRUGS assholes trying desperately to stop human nature because it offends their delicate (full of shiat and often hypocritical) sensitivities.

I know a girl who's two daughters will grow up with every odd stacked against them because their mother pops pain pills and every other drug she can get her hands on. The state knows, the doctors know, but she still gets rx drugs through both legitimate and illegitimate means. Party on I suppose?

I break my rib falling in the shower?
The after-hours clinic refuses to give me a script because ooooscary. Have to wait 2 days in significant but manageable pain until monday then call my physician to have him fax a rx in to my local pharma.

You know what he says to me?

"Sure thing, but next time come in for a visit. It's not that I'm trying to hit you up for an unneeded co-pay, but they are scrutinizing every narcotic rx we write"


/and one more thing (from a person with history of ulcers), can we possibly get these pain drugs in un-cut time release caps? I'd love to be able to take one when needed without the 1000mg of NSAID wrecking my shiat for 10000 damage.
 
2013-01-27 01:40:39 AM  

ILoveBurritos: Its funny that prescription drug abuse is as big or bigger of a problem than illicit drugs, but it never gets as much attention.


About 30 seconds after the patent expires on any given drug, you can bet the manufacturer will be shocked, *shocked!* to discover that people are abusing it, and promptly recommend a crackdown, along with a replacement of it's new, same drug, in a new, generically developed delivery form.
 
2013-01-27 01:41:14 AM  

bunner: Smackledorfer: Can we legalize marijuana yet?

Will that stop "doctors" from whoring out their prescription pads for a cut of the dope trade?


They aren't prescriptions. They're recommendations.
 
2013-01-27 01:42:51 AM  

bunner: LordJiro: bunner: Say it with me. "As soon as something becomes primarily about money.."

...It will be banned, because people invested in the paper industry feel threatened by it?

No, the thing it's supposed to be about is the thing it was about. Your doctor may be a failed stockbroker.


If he/she had a minimum of 7 years to spend on Med school residency. Fair bit of time wouldn't you say?
 
2013-01-27 01:43:33 AM  

Fecal Conservative: bunner: Smackledorfer: Can we legalize marijuana yet?

Will that stop "doctors" from whoring out their prescription pads for a cut of the dope trade?

They aren't prescriptions. They're recommendations.


Doctors won't be able to get free trips to ski lodges and paid cruises for 'recommendations' though.
 
2013-01-27 01:45:43 AM  

doglover: Why don't we just legalize recreational drug use?

Then doctors could review your medical records and advise you on the safest ways to get high and how to do so responsibly while pharmacists could legally sell you OTC strength things like marijuana and ecstasy and the really responsible types could get more dangerous things like opium fresh from Afghanistan which would boost their local economy if they could export it legally directly to America they'd finally have money to live a western lifestyle of relative opulence and it would reduce terrorism, end wars, and start to reduce the population once when everyone has pill-dick and can't finish.


Because that means fewer heavily armed jackbooted thugs kicking down wrong doors and murdering dogs for shiats and giggles
 
2013-01-27 01:45:50 AM  

Fecal Conservative: If he/she had a minimum of 7 years to spend on Med school residency. Fair bit of time wouldn't you say?


And very expensive time. This means they should be entitled to an upper middle class lifestyle forever. Absolutely. because as soon as something bec.. never mind. Lots of people spent 7 years doing difficult sh*t and got the opportunity to continue doing it for another 60 years. 65 if they could afford a doctor.
 
2013-01-27 01:46:43 AM  

fusillade762: I told my dentist Vicodin made me itchy so she prescribed me Percocet instead. I was a happy camper.

/csb


You realize it is the opiates that are making you itchy
 
2013-01-27 01:46:49 AM  

ILoveBurritos: Its funny that prescription drug abuse is as big or bigger of a problem than illicit drugs, but it never gets as much attention.


A lot of prescription pill abusers seem to think they aren't addicts and don't have a problem because they aquire their drugs the "legitimate" way. A relative of mine took shiat tons of Oxycontin that he got from at least several doctors. He was also a real alcoholic. Yet he looked down his nose at anyone who bought theirs off the street. Go figure.
 
2013-01-27 01:47:13 AM  

cowgirl toffee: Fecal Conservative: bunner: Smackledorfer: Can we legalize marijuana yet?

Will that stop "doctors" from whoring out their prescription pads for a cut of the dope trade?

They aren't prescriptions. They're recommendations.

Doctors won't be able to get free trips to ski lodges and paid cruises for 'recommendations' though.


Sorry I was talking about MI where I presume bunner was from. There an MD can "recommend" medical cannabis. I agree pharm companies would be beaten down if we had a worthwhile congress like we had in the 80's
 
2013-01-27 01:48:11 AM  

bunner: Fecal Conservative: If he/she had a minimum of 7 years to spend on Med school residency. Fair bit of time wouldn't you say?

And very expensive time. This means they should be entitled to an upper middle class lifestyle forever. Absolutely. because as soon as something bec.. never mind. Lots of people spent 7 years doing difficult sh*t and got the opportunity to continue doing it for another 60 years. 65 if they could afford a doctor.


You can spend 20 years on your first day as a journeyman bricklayer. What's your point?
 
2013-01-27 01:48:37 AM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7558482/82145556#c82145556" target="_blank">Commander_Neckbeard</a>:</b> <i>I refuse to take any kind of narcotic analgesic for fear of addiction. I've taken them twice, once after I had my wisdom teeth out, (I took one pill and didn't really need that) and once when I broke down during a sinus infection and took one offered to me by my wife, felt very very guilty after that. I won't touch them anymore at all, and I'm hoping that I can keep singing that tune if I'm in pain.</i>

If you take them for short term as directed you should be OK, but it is a hell of a slope to fark with. Trust me you never want to be in "need" of this stuff as in chronic need. Last year i had an allergic reaction to a fairly common medication. It led to kidney and liver failure, to the point of dialysis. The worse part was my legs became swollen to the point of surgical intervention just to reduce the swelling. I almost lost my left leg. Due to nerve damage, I am now having to take Fentanyl to deal with the residual nerve damage. It works, but you pay heavy for the relief. It sucks.
 
2013-01-27 01:49:10 AM  

Fecal Conservative: bunner: Fecal Conservative: If he/she had a minimum of 7 years to spend on Med school residency. Fair bit of time wouldn't you say?

And very expensive time. This means they should be entitled to an upper middle class lifestyle forever. Absolutely. because as soon as something bec.. never mind. Lots of people spent 7 years doing difficult sh*t and got the opportunity to continue doing it for another 60 years. 65 if they could afford a doctor.

You can spend 20 years on your first day as a journeyman bricklayer. What's your point?


What's yours?
 
2013-01-27 01:49:44 AM  

bunner: Fecal Conservative: bunner: Fecal Conservative: If he/she had a minimum of 7 years to spend on Med school residency. Fair bit of time wouldn't you say?

And very expensive time. This means they should be entitled to an upper middle class lifestyle forever. Absolutely. because as soon as something bec.. never mind. Lots of people spent 7 years doing difficult sh*t and got the opportunity to continue doing it for another 60 years. 65 if they could afford a doctor.

You can spend 20 years on your first day as a journeyman bricklayer. What's your point?

What's yours?


I asked you first.
 
2013-01-27 01:49:47 AM  

milkyshirt: ILoveBurritos: Its funny that prescription drug abuse is as big or bigger of a problem than illicit drugs, but it never gets as much attention.

A lot of prescription pill abusers seem to think they aren't addicts and don't have a problem because they acquire their drugs the "legitimate" way. A relative of mine took shiat tons of Oxycontin that he got from at least several doctors. He was also a real alcoholic. Yet he looked down his nose at anyone who bought theirs off the street. Go figure.


I think an important thing to keep in mind is:

A lot of prescription pill abusers know they are addicts but resign themselves to a managed addiction as the pain they live with every day is SO BAD if they couldn't stop it they would simply commit suicide. And usually their doctors agree, and thus the continued Rx.
 
2013-01-27 01:50:36 AM  
The whole doctor as holy shaman and selfless wearer of the 300,000.00 a pop guild cloak pose is not only part of the problem, it's not true.
 
2013-01-27 01:51:28 AM  
MurphyMurphy:

This is exactly why.

/and one more thing (from a person with history of ulcers), can we possibly get these pain drugs in un-cut time release caps? I'd love to be able to take one when needed without the 1000mg of NSAID wrecking my shiat for 10000 damage.


What kind of ulcers? If they are stomach you need to find something other than NSAIDS (tylenol maybe). NSAIDS including ibuprofen and aspirin can actually cause stomach ulcers.
 
2013-01-27 01:51:49 AM  

Fecal Conservative: bunner: Fecal Conservative: bunner: Fecal Conservative: ... What's your point?

What's yours?

I asked you first.


Rock, paper, scissors! Rock, paper, scissors!
 
2013-01-27 01:51:53 AM  

cowgirl toffee:


I snorted one of those once... worst hairball ever.
 
2013-01-27 01:52:04 AM  

Fecal Conservative: I asked you first.


Sorry, I hated first grade when I was in it. The rerun looks less engaging. Adios, Rush.
 
2013-01-27 01:53:01 AM  

GranoblasticMan: cowgirl toffee:

I snorted one of those once... worst hairball ever.


Should have placed it under your tongue. The purring sensation is addicting.
 
2013-01-27 01:53:01 AM  
Xanax is fabulous.
 
2013-01-27 01:53:09 AM  

bunner: The whole doctor as holy shaman and selfless wearer of the 300,000.00 a pop guild cloak pose is not only part of the problem, it's not true.


I agree in part. I know someone who has put them-self into poverty for their life to practice rural medicine. There are many bad examples of money grubbing doctors but they're somewhat ignorant. They could much more easily feed their greed in finance.
 
2013-01-27 01:55:03 AM  
Ha! bunner did you just ban me? One of the libbiest libs that ever libbed and called me Rush?

/Don't let my nick fool you it's ironic
 
2013-01-27 01:56:19 AM  

cowgirl toffee: GranoblasticMan: cowgirl toffee:

I snorted one of those once... worst hairball ever.

Should have placed it under your tongue. The purring sensation is addicting.


I obviously skipped past an important part of this thread. And now my cat is looking at me very, very strangely.
 
2013-01-27 01:57:04 AM  

cowgirl toffee: GranoblasticMan: cowgirl toffee:

I snorted one of those once... worst hairball ever.

Should have placed it under your tongue. The purring sensation is addicting.


Now I wonder if they offer it in a suppository.
 
2013-01-27 01:57:29 AM  

cowgirl toffee: Fecal Conservative: bunner: Fecal Conservative: bunner: Fecal Conservative: ... What's your point?

What's yours?

I asked you first.

Rock, paper, scissors! Rock, paper, scissors!


Lizard-Spock?
 
2013-01-27 01:57:44 AM  
That example is absurd. Shame on the doctors. Doctors just need to check DoJ CURES for shoppers. 30 seconds, save your ass forever.
 
2013-01-27 01:58:09 AM  

GranoblasticMan: cowgirl toffee: GranoblasticMan: cowgirl toffee:

I snorted one of those once... worst hairball ever.

Should have placed it under your tongue. The purring sensation is addicting.

Now I wonder if they offer it in a suppository.


I hope they only come in 'hamster' size. O_o
 
2013-01-27 01:59:11 AM  

Genevieve Marie: cretinbob: This is why I can't get something for my farking back.

Yup. It's why so awful for me to get a new ambien prescription when I moved. I came in with my medical records, and my former doctor's phone number, and a write up of how my sleep disorder has affected me throughout my life and how well my medication has been working for the last several years- and still got treated like an addict looking for fun stuff.

It was really demeaning and dehumanizing to have to go through that process too.


Not to mention totally farkin' stupid.

I have led over 40 years of a rowdy, metal concert attending, no safety gear skateboarding, falling out of trees or off of roofs while up to no good kind of life, in addition to a very nasty car accident when I was 13. I have chronic pain issues due to repeated trauma and I have occasional anxiety issues, so I take stuff for that as well. I had to sign a "drug contract" to get my 10mg Vicodin and my very low dose Ativan with the last doctor I saw on a regular basis. They would draw blood on me once per month or so to make sure I was taking my meds as prescribed. That is understandable to a certain extent. However, the stupid really kicked in  when I actually went  through a couple months where I didn't need anything stronger than a Tylenol. When I went in for my blood draw and the doc found out I hadn't  been  taking my anxiety or pain meds at all, he accused me of selling them and cut me off. Explaining that I will not take drugs I do not actually need seemed  to have no effect on him whatsoever.

It seemed odd to me that he'd  harp about "addiction" and then get  mad when I didn't take addictive drugs when I didn't  actually need to take them. WTF? I finally got so mad I told  him that since I lacked insurance  and paid cash to see him and get my blood work, it would be cheaper for me to simply hang around outside the county clinic as quite a few of those bastids sell their Vics the minute they walk out of the pharmacy. We finally reached an agreement where I would enter into a spreadsheet what days I did and did not take what meds  that are  PRN and bring it in with me for each recheck. Problem solved and the urge to kick him in the nads repeatedly faded very quickly. Unfortunately, he retired a couple years later, so I get to meet a new doctor for a primary care physician (if we get on with one another) this Tuesday. I'm sure I'll have a similar conversation with that wench and hopefully it will go well so I don't need to go to Florida for doctor shopping tips.

I only need a couple of scripts for pity's sake, and I don't even take them every day. Farkin' druggies ruin it for the rest  of us. Or maybe it's the government that ruins it for the rest of us. I heard that even  just about 100 years ago there was no such thing as an illegal drug in the US. I think we should go back to that point. The weak will kill themselves off and the rest  of us won't be raging angry in a doctor's office once a month or so.
 
2013-01-27 01:59:34 AM  

unatnaes: That example is absurd. Shame on the doctors. Doctors just need to check DoJ CURES for shoppers. 30 seconds, save your ass forever.


///Ahem, in California. Didn't realize it's a state program! So FL may vary.
 
2013-01-27 02:00:47 AM  

MisterTweak: cowgirl toffee: GranoblasticMan: cowgirl toffee:

I snorted one of those once... worst hairball ever.

Should have placed it under your tongue. The purring sensation is addicting.

I obviously skipped past an important part of this thread. And now my cat is looking at me very, very strangely.


img580.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-27 02:01:04 AM  

cretinbob: This is why I can't get something for my farking back.


I had to see 4 specialists to get anti-anxiety medications, because my primary "didn't feel morally sound" giving them to me himself.

Oh, and a pinched nerve at L4-5 with a protuding bone spur only requires Aleve and some proper stretching.

Tis why I started growing poppies myself.
 
2013-01-27 02:01:16 AM  

unatnaes: unatnaes: That example is absurd. Shame on the doctors. Doctors just need to check DoJ CURES for shoppers. 30 seconds, save your ass forever.

///Ahem, in California. Didn't realize it's a state program! So FL may vary.


Pretty sure they have nothing.
 
2013-01-27 02:01:29 AM  

SquiggsIN: Florida does not have a prescription drug registration, database, or pretty much any control over what licensed doctors do in their state.

This should've just been labled with the usual "Florida" tag as the entire state is "Scary".


Or, in other words, another success story for deregulation.
 
2013-01-27 02:02:02 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Genevieve Marie: cretinbob: This is why I can't get something for my farking back.

Yup. It's why so awful for me to get a new ambien prescription when I moved. I came in with my medical records, and my former doctor's phone number, and a write up of how my sleep disorder has affected me throughout my life and how well my medication has been working for the last several years- and still got treated like an addict looking for fun stuff.

It was really demeaning and dehumanizing to have to go through that process too.

Not to mention totally farkin' stupid.

I have led over 40 years of a rowdy, metal concert attending, no safety gear skateboarding, falling out of trees or off of roofs while up to no good kind of life, in addition to a very nasty car accident when I was 13. I have chronic pain issues due to repeated trauma and I have occasional anxiety issues, so I take stuff for that as well. I had to sign a "drug contract" to get my 10mg Vicodin and my very low dose Ativan with the last doctor I saw on a regular basis. They would draw blood on me once per month or so to make sure I was taking my meds as prescribed. That is understandable to a certain extent. However, the stupid really kicked in  when I actually went  through a couple months where I didn't need anything stronger than a Tylenol. When I went in for my blood draw and the doc found out I hadn't  been  taking my anxiety or pain meds at all, he accused me of selling them and cut me off. Explaining that I will not take drugs I do not actually need seemed  to have no effect on him whatsoever.

It seemed odd to me that he'd  harp about "addiction" and then get  mad when I didn't take addictive drugs when I didn't  actually need to take them. WTF? I finally got so mad I told  him that since I lacked insurance  and paid cash to see him and get my blood work, it would be cheaper for me to simply hang around outside the county clinic as quite a few of those bastids sell their Vics the minute they walk out of the p ...


At any point during one of those blood draws, did you ever think to mention that you might be ready for a change in dosage?  Doctors like to be kept in the loop about medical decisions like that, I hear.
 
2013-01-27 02:03:29 AM  

MurphyMurphy: A lot of prescription pill abusers know they are addicts but resign themselves to a managed addiction as the pain they live with every day is SO BAD if they couldn't stop it they would simply commit suicide. And usually their doctors agree, and thus the continued Rx.


Uh, sure. If someone actually NEEDS them to manage their pain, that's a different situation. At that point I don't even know why it would matter if they're addicted, unless it's really impacting their health or quality of life, since they have to do *something*.

I'm talking about people who get a taste of it at some point, get hooked, and take a scary amount of pills to get high. I've known a number of people like that. It's a bit hypocritical to bash someone for smoking weed when you're high as a kite all day on a bunch of Oxy that you got from your doctor(s).
 
2013-01-27 02:04:15 AM  

Alphakronik: cretinbob: This is why I can't get something for my farking back.

I had to see 4 specialists to get anti-anxiety medications, because my primary "didn't feel morally sound" giving them to me himself.

Oh, and a pinched nerve at L4-5 with a protuding bone spur only requires Aleve and some proper stretching.

Tis why I started growing poppies myself.


I was thinking of that, but then you have to spray for lost-girls-from-Kansas. Otherwise you get an infestation.
 
2013-01-27 02:08:26 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: We finally reached an agreement where I would enter into a spreadsheet what days I did and did not take what meds that are PRN and bring it in with me for each recheck. Problem solved and the urge to kick him in the nads repeatedly faded very quickly. Unfortunately, he retired a couple years later, so I get to meet a new doctor for a primary care physician (if we get on with one another) this Tuesday.


The thing here that gives me the raging heebie-jeebies is that I'm much like you; I'll take drugs if I feel they're necessary, and I'll stop taking them when I no longer need them (no I'm not talking about antibiotics, so relax). And my doctor's perfectly fine with it. He more or less hands me what I think I need, or we discuss if there's better options. And as far as I can tell the only real difference between you and I is that I lucked out and got superomg healthcare. Somehow that makes me more trustworthy? That's just wrong.
 
2013-01-27 02:14:16 AM  

penfold314: fusillade762: I told my dentist Vicodin made me itchy so she prescribed me Percocet instead. I was a happy camper.

/csb

You realize it is the opiates that are making you itchy


Heh, that's just the thing: they don't :)
 
2013-01-27 02:15:44 AM  
I don't think you guys understand.

I HAD a HEADACHE.
 
2013-01-27 02:18:31 AM  
This is only a better argument for regional/statewide/national sourcing of medical records and cutting down on the incredible pain in the ass it is to request records from other hospitals much less other departments within the same hospital.
 
2013-01-27 02:19:53 AM  

penfold314: You realize it is the opiates that are making you itchy


They tend to make me scratchy.
 
2013-01-27 02:23:51 AM  

Fecal Conservative: unatnaes: unatnaes: That example is absurd. Shame on the doctors. Doctors just need to check DoJ CURES for shoppers. 30 seconds, save your ass forever.

///Ahem, in California. Didn't realize it's a state program! So FL may vary.

Pretty sure they have nothing.


Thanks - in that case, shame on FL. What else is new...
 
2013-01-27 02:27:39 AM  
...already required to used the date base before writing a prescription.

Well there's your problem. This should all clear up once they fix the typo and start using the database.
 
2013-01-27 02:29:51 AM  
How is that even possible?  If once tried refilling a prescription for Zocor a few days early at another pharmacy and they stopped me.
 
2013-01-27 02:33:33 AM  

penfold314: fusillade762: I told my dentist Vicodin made me itchy so she prescribed me Percocet instead. I was a happy camper.

/csb

You realize it is the opiates that are making you itchy


People react differently to different opiates. I know oxycodone (whats in percocet) doesnt make me as itchy as hydrocodone (whats in vicodin) but either way i still have to take a claratin when im prescribed painkillers.
 
2013-01-27 02:33:35 AM  
Now that the federal government has stuck their noses in our lives again, investigating abuse/deaths of opiods, this person will be having some serious withdrawal. Or paying an arm and leg for black market stuff in the underground. Kaiser has recently made their patients with chronic pain meds sign a "Pain Control Contract". Yeah, I know. Make the chronics jump through hoops and/or deny them meds. A lot is about to come down since Kaiser is usually the forerunner of sea changes like this. I can't wait to see the fall-out while in withdrawal myself. I'm going back to 1968, before the music died and the world broke.
 
2013-01-27 02:33:44 AM  

Genevieve Marie: cretinbob: This is why I can't get something for my farking back.

Yup. It's why so awful for me to get a new ambien prescription when I moved. I came in with my medical records, and my former doctor's phone number, and a write up of how my sleep disorder has affected me throughout my life and how well my medication has been working for the last several years- and still got treated like an addict looking for fun stuff.

It was really demeaning and dehumanizing to have to go through that process too.


I understand completely. My insurance changed which meant I had to change doctors. When I went to see a new doctor that my plan would cover and they treated me the same way then tried to send me on my way with a prescription that I had already shown them documentation that it didn't work for me. Insult to injury, I'm a healthcare professional myself and the doctor knew this.
 
2013-01-27 02:33:54 AM  
CSB time :

Only time I've been on pain meds is when I got my wisdoms out. Was prescribed hydrocodone by my dentist due to my lower right one coming in sideways and it's roots were wrapped around bone. Oral surgeon gave me Oxys after the surgery. I had all 4 taken out at once (made sense for financial reasons). My father dropped my Oxy script off at Walgreens and I was hoping the local anesthetic would hold me over til then. About 3 hours in, the damn thing still wasn't ready, and the local was wearing off so I took one of my hydros, and about 30 farking mins later my Oxys were ready. Took an Oxy on top of the hydro, and that was a great night. Stupid goddamn Walgreens.
 
2013-01-27 02:38:58 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: How is that even possible?  If once tried refilling a prescription for Zocor a few days early at another pharmacy and they stopped me.


Did you use the same prescription insurance at both pharmacies? Insurance companies check for over utilization when the claim is submitted electronically by the pharmacy.

Unless there is a state database involved, if you pay cash for a prescription at Walgreens and two weeks later take a new prescription for the same thing to CVS, the CVS and Walgreens systems themselves don't talk to each other. It's the insurance company's data that follows you.
 
2013-01-27 02:39:41 AM  

Commander_Neckbeard: I've taken them twice, once after I had my wisdom teeth out, (I took one pill and didn't really need that)


I was prescribed Vicodin after oral surgery and I stopped taking them -- not because I feared addiction, but because I didn't think they were helping.

The only time I was really in pain was when I tried to eat something.  And, pills or no pills, it hurt to chew.  Eating even soft foods produced sharp, stabbing pains that nothing short of an injection of anesthetic could prevent.

But, apart from meal times, there was only mild discomfort...nothing serious.   So, I tossed the pills.
 
2013-01-27 02:40:17 AM  

guessi'mdoingfine: Now that the federal government has stuck their noses in our lives again, investigating abuse/deaths of opiods, this person will be having some serious withdrawal. Or paying an arm and leg for black market stuff in the underground. Kaiser has recently made their patients with chronic pain meds sign a "Pain Control Contract". Yeah, I know. Make the chronics jump through hoops and/or deny them meds. A lot is about to come down since Kaiser is usually the forerunner of sea changes like this. I can't wait to see the fall-out while in withdrawal myself. I'm going back to 1968, before the music died and the world broke.


Agrees though still thinks you're a wanker:

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2013-01-27 02:42:20 AM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: CSB time :

Only time I've been on pain meds is when I got my wisdoms out. Was prescribed hydrocodone by my dentist due to my lower right one coming in sideways and it's roots were wrapped around bone. Oral surgeon gave me Oxys after the surgery. I had all 4 taken out at once (made sense for financial reasons). My father dropped my Oxy script off at Walgreens and I was hoping the local anesthetic would hold me over til then. About 3 hours in, the damn thing still wasn't ready, and the local was wearing off so I took one of my hydros, and about 30 farking mins later my Oxys were ready. Took an Oxy on top of the hydro, and that was a great night. Stupid goddamn Walgreens.


Did you have trouble breathing that night?
 
2013-01-27 02:43:37 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer:At any point during one of those blood draws, did you ever think to mention that you might be ready for a change in dosage?  Doctors like to be kept in the loop about medical decisions like that, I hear.

I've always insisted on the 10/325 because if I don't need the whole 10, I have a pill splitter and simply cut one in half. The old doc was cool with  that. I think he just got very suspicious when he'd been seeing me for years and had never once seen my system without any Vics or  Ativan at all in it, though he was used to seeing my blood levels of the stuff vary, based on the level of pain. Because my pain is not consistent in duration or even intensity, I like to have the option to take the 10/325 every four hours if necessary, or just half of one every six or eight hours if necessary. The Ativan is more like a rescue drug for me, so it shouldn't be surprising at all if I have a  GREAT month or so with little pain, no or very little anxiety and therefore nearly nothing in my system. It's just that one time there  was nothing at all in my system, dude acted  like I was demon drug dealer child from the darkest part  of Tartarus. Yeesh.

Aidan: Real Women Drink Akvavit: We finally reached an agreement where I would enter into a spreadsheet what days I did and did not take what meds that are PRN and bring it in with me for each recheck. Problem solved and the urge to kick him in the nads repeatedly faded very quickly. Unfortunately, he retired a couple years later, so I get to meet a new doctor for a primary care physician (if we get on with one another) this Tuesday.

The thing here that gives me the raging heebie-jeebies is that I'm much like you; I'll take drugs if I feel they're necessary, and I'll stop taking them when I no longer need them (no I'm not talking about antibiotics, so relax). And my doctor's perfectly fine with it. He more or less hands me what I think I need, or we discuss if there's better options. And as far as I can tell the only real difference between you and I is that I lucked out and got superomg healthcare. Somehow that makes me more trustworthy? That's just wrong.


I'm really hoping the new doc is going to be like this. You're right - it is wrong that because I have never in my adult life had health insurance I am treated very differently. I think there's a suspicion among some doctors that  if someone is paying cash they're already getting stuff from another doc through their health insurance. Chefs in small, independent restaurants usually don't get health insurance, so for me, it's always been cash. I always, always, always use the same pharmacy for my scripts though, so hopefully if things are difficult I can  just have the doc call the scripts in and they can  dish about what all I buy from 'em all they want. They can call every pharmacy in a 10 mile radius for all I care. I'm brutally honest about my health, including bad habits like smoking and the occasional drinking of akvavit so it wouldn't really bother me if they called up the  CVS (though I use Rite Aid for scripts) and found out I had bought two Chili Lindt chocolate bars, a box of condoms, dental floss and Raspberry White Chocolate coffee creamer. BFD. Have fun with imagination time with that one.
 
2013-01-27 02:43:50 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: How is that even possible?  If once tried refilling a prescription for Zocor a few days early at another pharmacy and they stopped me.


First off, we don't require doctors to submit perscriptions to a central database. Secondly, we're rather lax on who's allowed to sell pills, which has led to a boom in "pain clinics". Basically shops that sell pain meds all day. Often times these clinics don't keep your prescription docs, letting you reuse it.

We're basically treating perscription pain pills like California treated medical marijuana.
 
2013-01-27 02:44:13 AM  
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2013-01-27 02:48:09 AM  

Harry_Seldon: penfold314: You realize it is the opiates that are making you itchy

They tend to make me scratchy.


They made me Poochy.

/in your face and proactive side effects
 
2013-01-27 02:48:20 AM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: My father dropped my Oxy script off at Walgreens and I was hoping the local anesthetic would hold me over til then. About 3 hours in, the damn thing still wasn't ready, and the local was wearing off so I took one of my hydros, and about 30 farking mins later my Oxys were ready.


I had oral surgery in high school.  My older sister had the same surgery a few years earlier with the same surgeon and I remember my sister's crying in the car while my mom went in to a pharmacy to fill the pain script.

So, naturally, when I was scheduled to have the same surgery, I was pretty anxious about the pain.  But, in my case, the oral surgeon had the pills waiting for me when I walked out of his office.  No need to go to the pharmacy at all.

Of course, as I wrote earlier, I stopped taking the pills because when I wasn't trying to eat, the pain wasn't really that bad...and, when I was eating the pills didn't come close to stopping the horror.
 
2013-01-27 02:49:38 AM  
Best healthcare system in the world, I'm told.
 
2013-01-27 02:51:35 AM  

Cyno01: penfold314: fusillade762: I told my dentist Vicodin made me itchy so she prescribed me Percocet instead. I was a happy camper.

/csb

You realize it is the opiates that are making you itchy

People react differently to different opiates. I know oxycodone (whats in percocet) doesnt make me as itchy as hydrocodone (whats in vicodin) but either way i still have to take a claratin when im prescribed painkillers.


I don't call them painkillers... I call them b*tch mints. :P
 
2013-01-27 02:53:26 AM  

eraser8: 7th Son of a 7th Son: My father dropped my Oxy script off at Walgreens and I was hoping the local anesthetic would hold me over til then. About 3 hours in, the damn thing still wasn't ready, and the local was wearing off so I took one of my hydros, and about 30 farking mins later my Oxys were ready.

I had oral surgery in high school.  My older sister had the same surgery a few years earlier with the same surgeon and I remember my sister's crying in the car while my mom went in to a pharmacy to fill the pain script.

So, naturally, when I was scheduled to have the same surgery, I was pretty anxious about the pain.  But, in my case, the oral surgeon had the pills waiting for me when I walked out of his office.  No need to go to the pharmacy at all.

Of course, as I wrote earlier, I stopped taking the pills because when I wasn't trying to eat, the pain wasn't really that bad...and, when I was eating the pills didn't come close to stopping the horror.


I lived off of Sonic's cherry limeades for a couple of days. Those taste really farking good when you feel like shiat.
 
2013-01-27 02:54:08 AM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: CSB time :

Only time I've been on pain meds is when I got my wisdoms out. Was prescribed hydrocodone by my dentist due to my lower right one coming in sideways and it's roots were wrapped around bone. Oral surgeon gave me Oxys after the surgery. I had all 4 taken out at once (made sense for financial reasons). My father dropped my Oxy script off at Walgreens and I was hoping the local anesthetic would hold me over til then. About 3 hours in, the damn thing still wasn't ready, and the local was wearing off so I took one of my hydros, and about 30 farking mins later my Oxys were ready. Took an Oxy on top of the hydro, and that was a great night. Stupid goddamn Walgreens.


Thank the FSM for small town pharmacies. When my grandpa was in his final days, hospice got him set up in his home and set up his prescriptions with the local mom and pop. I never had a bit of trouble picking up his prescriptions. I had to print and sign my name for some of the heavy stuff but that was it.
 
2013-01-27 02:54:57 AM  
Maybe I'm naive about how much medication the human body can handle... I did spend a day walking around my living room with my blanket on my head pretending I was a ghost after taking Soma (although to be fair, it was mixed with my background SSRI's), but it sounds as if maybe with that many scripts, even with tolerance factored in, maybe some of them were for resale. Hell, on that many drugs, I know I couldn't make it to 56 different pharmacies.

Personally, I think you should be able to put whatever you want in your body, as long as you aren't mooching off the system to do it and aren't putting other people in danger.
 
2013-01-27 02:55:53 AM  

SquiggsIN: This should've just been labled with the usual "Florida" tag as the entire state is "Scary".


Scary, Dumbass, and Asinine are implicit in the Florida tag. That's why Texas and Kansas don't get their own tag - they just haven't achieved that level of farkedupdedness. But they keep trying... stay tuned.
 
2013-01-27 02:56:00 AM  
Mommy =(
 
2013-01-27 02:56:22 AM  
Housemate went through some shiat over the last couple years. Probably ended up seeing a dozen or more doctors, at least one scrip from each. Most ended up not working out, or being supplanted/replaced by a different medication.

Only two pharmacies though.

Still, some people might actually need, you know, medical care from more than one doc.
 
2013-01-27 02:57:14 AM  

cowgirl toffee:


I usually keep Xanax on-hand because of my social anxiety. I find people are much easier to deal with if I get them all doped up first.
 
2013-01-27 02:57:54 AM  
Oh, and goodrx.com rocks.
 
2013-01-27 02:58:36 AM  

GranoblasticMan: cowgirl toffee:

I usually keep Xanax on-hand because of my social anxiety. I find people are much easier to deal with if I get them all doped up first.


Pleeeesssee tell me you own a "free candy" van.
 
2013-01-27 03:01:53 AM  

Commander_Neckbeard: I refuse to take any kind of narcotic analgesic for fear of addiction. I've taken them twice, once after I had my wisdom teeth out, (I took one pill and didn't really need that) and once when I broke down during a sinus infection and took one offered to me by my wife, felt very very guilty after that. I won't touch them anymore at all, and I'm hoping that I can keep singing that tune if I'm in pain.


I choose not to takeany medication unless it is absolutely necessary. Real pain is a good reason, but the two years I spent in physical therapy taught me that far too many people overestimate their pain. Every day, people who are getting around perfectly well and in a generally pleasant mood describe their pain as an 8 or 9 out of 10. Those ratings are supposed to mean near-crippling pain. It's ridiculous, and quite insulting to those in true pain. I got off the pain meds withing two weeks of my surgery (ORIF of my right calcaneus), and have taken maybe a dozen naproxen in the two years since. I still have chronic pain, but it isn't bad enough that I feel it warrants medication.

Yes, we're all different, and feel pain differently, but we're living in a culture driven by addiction and the products that feed those addictions, and it's upsetting to see so many people caught up in it.

/omg haven't had coffee in almost an hour
 
2013-01-27 03:02:35 AM  

Harry_Seldon: penfold314: You realize it is the opiates that are making you itchy

They tend to make me scratchy.


anti-histamines get rid of the itchiness.

Incidentally, some anti-histamines also potentate the opiates. Double Bonus!
 
2013-01-27 03:04:05 AM  
Oh so this is how we are going to make it so you are forced to keep shiatty doctors. I freaking hate the world.
 
2013-01-27 03:06:21 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Incidentally, some anti-histamines also potentate the opiates. Double Bonus!


Triple if you add mocha.

waterlooshrineclub.webs.com
 
2013-01-27 03:06:37 AM  

Thunderboy: Yes, we're all different, and feel pain differently, but we're living in a culture driven by addiction and the products that feed those addictions, and it's upsetting to see so many people caught up in it.


Still not a good reason to punish good doctors or limit access to a drug just because a small percentage are abusing it.
 
2013-01-27 03:10:34 AM  

MisterTweak: About 30 seconds after the patent expires on any given drug, you can bet the manufacturer will be shocked, *shocked!* to discover that people are abusing it, and promptly recommend a crackdown, along with a replacement of it's new, same drug, in a new, generically developed delivery form.


It doesn't work like that. If I'm a Pharma with 4 years left on my 300 mg active tablet, I can't just make it a 350 mg tablet or make it twice-daily instead of 4 times. or coat it with a buffering compound. To do so would mean submitting a whole lot of paper to the FDA, probably 4 years worth, at which point it becomes moot because there are jillions of pharmas copying that product (at exactly the specs you're now trying to get away from because you've already done the research), because it's off-patent. What they do is say, "Hey, this drug that's just about to come off patent for headaches, we just found out it gives you a boner, so now it's an ED drug!" Bing... you get a patent extension, and if it doesn't kill the patient and actually gives him a boner, well, that's the bonus round.
 
2013-01-27 03:12:39 AM  
I did not understand what was going on until I ran into an old friend who did this a few years ago. She was on 25 pills 3x a day. Absolutely insane! This was beyond recreation and beyond pain management. She was unable to work so those that she had extra she sold to people, it created a dangerous cycle. Then buying them back 2 days later.
After seeing her lifestyle a few times I had to cut her loose as a friend because she kept asking me for money etc.. and I did not want to enable it.
I'm sure she is still doing it now and wonder how people can live like that.
 
2013-01-27 03:24:44 AM  
Only 70?

Amateur.

/ Come to Thailand, they don't require scripts.Just act like you know what you're talking about.
// Cheap too!
 
2013-01-27 03:26:44 AM  

LordOfThePings: Uchiha_Cycliste: Incidentally, some anti-histamines also potentate the opiates. Double Bonus!

Triple if you add mocha.

[waterlooshrineclub.webs.com image 400x585]


lulz
 
2013-01-27 03:30:31 AM  

Genevieve Marie: cretinbob: This is why I can't get something for my farking back.

Yup. It's why so awful for me to get a new ambien prescription when I moved. I came in with my medical records, and my former doctor's phone number, and a write up of how my sleep disorder has affected me throughout my life and how well my medication has been working for the last several years- and still got treated like an addict looking for fun stuff.

It was really demeaning and dehumanizing to have to go through that process too.


FTA: "We have patients who come in all the time trying to get them and we just keep it simple and tell them we don't have any because we don't carry them,"

If you do get a script, good luck getting it filled.... I guess their attitude is because some people are abusing the system, fark em all.
 
2013-01-27 03:33:06 AM  

EnigmaBurn: / Come to Thailand, they don't require scripts.Just act like you know what you're talking about.


See, the problem with bodegas is they never remember you. - You always have to do something extreme to let 'em know it's you and you're cool
"Hey, fellas. Y'all know me. Come on, now. Look at this"
Hey, black ass. Why you didn't moon us earlier, eh ?
lt's a little degrading, but the weed ain't bad.
 
2013-01-27 03:52:16 AM  
www.piquenewsmagazine.com

/a picture is always worth more than a thousand words
//go green, come clean
 
2013-01-27 03:53:26 AM  
FTFA:
"We have patients who come in all the time trying to get them and we just keep it simple and tell them we don't have any because we don't carry them," said Dr. Suleman Bux.

OMG, really? Why, that's tantamount to people trying to get something they want and/or need for themselves, if you ask me. How dare these people try to think for themselves? This is a decision that should be made by a doctor, or a health care insurance bureaucrat, or really anyone OTHER THAN the patient.

Thank FSM the way have mechanisms in place to save the people from themselves!

/aaaaaaaand the laaaaaaaaand ooo-ooo-ooof the freeeeee-eee....
 
2013-01-27 03:54:04 AM  

Snausages75: Did you use the same prescription insurance at both pharmacies? Insurance companies check for over utilization when the claim is submitted electronically by the pharmacy.

Unless there is a state database involved, if you pay cash for a prescription at Walgreens and two weeks later take a new prescription for the same thing to CVS, the CVS and Walgreens systems themselves don't talk to each other. It's the insurance company's data that follows you.


Interesting, I didn't know that.
 
2013-01-27 04:03:54 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Genevieve Marie: cretinbob: This is why I can't get something for my farking back.

Yup. It's why so awful for me to get a new ambien prescription when I moved. I came in with my medical records, and my former doctor's phone number, and a write up of how my sleep disorder has affected me throughout my life and how well my medication has been working for the last several years- and still got treated like an addict looking for fun stuff.

It was really demeaning and dehumanizing to have to go through that process too.

FTA: "We have patients who come in all the time trying to get them and we just keep it simple and tell them we don't have any because we don't carry them,"

If you do get a script, good luck getting it filled.... I guess their attitude is because some people are abusing the system, fark em all.


Sadly, this attitude has become necessary in Florida. For the last year, my pharmacy has dotted their i's and crossed their t's when it comes to C-II scripts. Every single one that comes through the door gets checked against the state database and we call the doctor to verify a proper diagnosis and patient/doctor relationship. What do we get for our trouble? Multiple DEA audits and a threat that if we do not curb the amount we are dispensing they are going to drop the hammer on us.

Sure, the jackass pill-mill doctor down the street can write scripts for 180 Oxy 30s, 300 Percocet 10/325s, and 90 Xanax 2mg for every patient that walks in his door. (quite literally writing a minimum of 48,000 oxycodone tablets per day). Absolutely nothing happens to this guy. The pharmacy, however, is given the option of never carrying Oxycodone 30mg again or being harassed and possibly shut down. Why do we have to stop carrying the medication instead of just denying scripts that we feel are not justified? Because every script we decline to fill requires about 5 pages of paperwork and carries the risk that you get sued by the patient and the doctor.

It also does not help that at one point, the US was consuming 99% of the world's supply of hydrocodone and 80% of the supply of oxycodone.
 
2013-01-27 04:11:23 AM  

Genevieve Marie: Yup. It's why so awful for me to get a new ambien prescription when I moved.


WTF is it with doctor's and ambien these days? It's not a painkiller. I don't even think it counts as a controlled substance.

My wife was on it for years, and when she had to change doctors after we moved, the new guy parsed out Ambien like it was made of diamonds. She was accustomed to taking one every night, and he wouldn't give her a prescription for more than 30 pills for three months. He told her to turn a fan on in the bedroom if she was having trouble sleeping.

What. The. Fark?
 
2013-01-27 04:19:26 AM  
CSB:

I have chronic gastritis and have spent many days in hospital beds and emergency rooms. One recent 5-year period of my life yielded 4 ER visits including a 6 day stay in the hospital for observation (thank you, God, for Xanax and Dilaudid). I have always been an anxious person, so my doctor gave me the smallest possible prescription for Xanax, which worked SO well at helping to regulate my GI issues that I went to see a gastroenterologist at the Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville, FL. When I mentioned I thought my anxiety was affecting my stomach he said that can often be the case and recommended I see a psychiatrist. I'm assuming I had no problem getting my current Klonopin prescription because my PC had been seeing me for about 15 years and I already had a diagnosis including anxiety from the specialist.

The funny part is that it's all this talk about doctor shopping, etc., that kept me from asking for the very thing that has kept me out of the hospital for 2 years now.

/One time I put off going to the hospital, for fear of cost, for 6 days but eventually relented because I couldn't even keep water down (well not much anyway) and was afraid I'd die from dehydration.
//It's amazing how quickly they get you in to see someone when you tell them you haven't been able to keep down liquids for 6 days.
 
2013-01-27 04:26:15 AM  

omnimancer28: HindiDiscoMonster: Genevieve Marie: cretinbob: This is why I can't get something for my farking back.

Yup. It's why so awful for me to get a new ambien prescription when I moved. I came in with my medical records, and my former doctor's phone number, and a write up of how my sleep disorder has affected me throughout my life and how well my medication has been working for the last several years- and still got treated like an addict looking for fun stuff.

It was really demeaning and dehumanizing to have to go through that process too.

FTA: "We have patients who come in all the time trying to get them and we just keep it simple and tell them we don't have any because we don't carry them,"

If you do get a script, good luck getting it filled.... I guess their attitude is because some people are abusing the system, fark em all.

Sadly, this attitude has become necessary in Florida. For the last year, my pharmacy has dotted their i's and crossed their t's when it comes to C-II scripts. Every single one that comes through the door gets checked against the state database and we call the doctor to verify a proper diagnosis and patient/doctor relationship. What do we get for our trouble? Multiple DEA audits and a threat that if we do not curb the amount we are dispensing they are going to drop the hammer on us.

Sure, the jackass pill-mill doctor down the street can write scripts for 180 Oxy 30s, 300 Percocet 10/325s, and 90 Xanax 2mg for every patient that walks in his door. (quite literally writing a minimum of 48,000 oxycodone tablets per day). Absolutely nothing happens to this guy. The pharmacy, however, is given the option of never carrying Oxycodone 30mg again or being harassed and possibly shut down. Why do we have to stop carrying the medication instead of just denying scripts that we feel are not justified? Because every script we decline to fill requires about 5 pages of paperwork and carries the risk that you get sued by the patient and the doctor.

It ...


my comment is directed at the DEA, not the pharmacies. I know about the audits. Thanks DEA.
 
2013-01-27 04:31:50 AM  

Lsherm: Genevieve Marie: Yup. It's why so awful for me to get a new ambien prescription when I moved.

WTF is it with doctor's and ambien these days? It's not a painkiller. I don't even think it counts as a controlled substance.

My wife was on it for years, and when she had to change doctors after we moved, the new guy parsed out Ambien like it was made of diamonds. She was accustomed to taking one every night, and he wouldn't give her a prescription for more than 30 pills for three months. He told her to turn a fan on in the bedroom if she was having trouble sleeping.

What. The. Fark?


It can have side effects that are pleasant enough for people to take it recreationally. Therefore your wife is evil for wanting it. Feeling good is bad and she should feel bad for wanting a good night's sleep. Bad and evil.
 
2013-01-27 04:41:46 AM  

jtown: Lsherm: Genevieve Marie: Yup. It's why so awful for me to get a new ambien prescription when I moved.

WTF is it with doctor's and ambien these days? It's not a painkiller. I don't even think it counts as a controlled substance.

My wife was on it for years, and when she had to change doctors after we moved, the new guy parsed out Ambien like it was made of diamonds. She was accustomed to taking one every night, and he wouldn't give her a prescription for more than 30 pills for three months. He told her to turn a fan on in the bedroom if she was having trouble sleeping.

What. The. Fark?

It can have side effects that are pleasant enough for people to take it recreationally. Therefore your wife is evil for wanting it. Feeling good is bad and she should feel bad for wanting a good night's sleep. Bad and evil.


It could also be that Ambien is an addictive medication which is only designed for short term use. Perhaps the new doctor actually cares about helping her treat the root cause of her insomnia instead of having her take Ambien in a way it is not designed for.
 
2013-01-27 04:54:52 AM  
Ambien is also being depicted in articles as a blackout drug. Some people take it and flake, which makes for good reading.

Here is an article from 3 days ago:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/10/fda-cuts-ambien-dosage s -in-half-amid-concerns-of-sleepy-driving
 
2013-01-27 04:57:03 AM  
dammit sorry, meant to edit before posting:

Said Article
 
2013-01-27 05:08:02 AM  

Rumpertumpskin: Ambien is also being depicted in articles as a blackout drug. Some people take it and flake, which makes for good reading.

Here is an article from 3 days ago:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/10/fda-cuts-ambien-dosage s -in-half-amid-concerns-of-sleepy-driving


The short term effects are not really what bother me about Ambien. It is the lack of studies regarding long-term use. The studies that DO exist indicate that long-term daily use leads to tolerance, severe insomnia, and memory loss not related to the "blackouts". Scary shiat when I consider how many of my patients have developed such a need for it that they cannot sleep without using Ambien + a benzodiazepine.
 
2013-01-27 05:08:17 AM  

Lsherm: Genevieve Marie: Yup. It's why so awful for me to get a new ambien prescription when I moved.

WTF is it with doctor's and ambien these days? It's not a painkiller. I don't even think it counts as a controlled substance.

My wife was on it for years, and when she had to change doctors after we moved, the new guy parsed out Ambien like it was made of diamonds. She was accustomed to taking one every night, and he wouldn't give her a prescription for more than 30 pills for three months. He told her to turn a fan on in the bedroom if she was having trouble sleeping.

What. The. Fark?


Ambien is a Schedule IV Controlled Substance. For comparison, Vicodin is Schedule III, Percocet is Schedule II, and heroin is Schedule I.

I am not implying that your wife has a problem, but I worked with a pharmacist whose wife was addicted to it and had a nasty time getting clean. I think Eminem was also addicted to it for a time.

I had good luck with taking Rozerem for insomnia. It is not a controlled substance; it's related to melatonin. The only crap things about taking it was the nasty $50/month copay and the fact that it didn't work on middle insomnia (when you can't stay asleep.).
 
2013-01-27 05:12:38 AM  

omnimancer28: jtown: Lsherm: Genevieve Marie: Yup. It's why so awful for me to get a new ambien prescription when I moved.

WTF is it with doctor's and ambien these days? It's not a painkiller. I don't even think it counts as a controlled substance.


It might also be that The Engineers from Prometheus are all facepalming about it...

s9.postimage.org
 
2013-01-27 05:23:43 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-27 05:47:41 AM  

Snausages75: I am not implying that your wife has a problem,


Well she isn't taking it anymore, so I guess it isn't a problem.  She also isn't sleeping.

I don't get the problem.  It puts you to sleep for at least 8 hours, you wake up rested, and you go about your day.  It does exactly what it's supposed to do and it helps people who can't sleep.

omnimancer28: Perhaps the new doctor actually cares about helping her treat the root cause of her insomnia


I wish, but he hasn't made any move in that direction, either.  He just seems to think avoiding sleeping pills is eventually going to get her into a normal sleeping pattern.  I can sympathize with his reasoning, but this common belief that people sleep when they are tired isn't necessarily true. She just goes weeks being tired all the time.

We've been married 22 years, and she hasn't slept easily for any of them.  Myself, I have the apnea, so I've been to countless sleep studies and I can sleep like a baby.  Before I got the CPAP, I could still fall asleep at the drop of a hat, but I wasn't getting any good sleep.
 
2013-01-27 05:48:18 AM  

cretinbob: This is why I can't get something for my farking back.


You can blame that on people who vote for Democrats or Republicans.
 
2013-01-27 05:51:26 AM  

SquiggsIN: Florida does not have a prescription drug registration, database, or pretty much any control over what licensed doctors do in their state.

This should've just been labled with the usual "Florida" tag as the entire state is "Scary".


You see living without a government regulator/enforcer watching every move you make as scary? That's sad.
 
2013-01-27 06:07:27 AM  

DrPainMD: SquiggsIN: Florida does not have a prescription drug registration, database, or pretty much any control over what licensed doctors do in their state.

This should've just been labled with the usual "Florida" tag as the entire state is "Scary".

You see living without a government regulator/enforcer watching every move you make as scary? That's sad.


Doctors and pharmacists are sworn to do no harm to patients and to act in their best interests. Being their legal drug-dealer breaches that oath and does harm to our entire profession. If you want to legalize hard drugs for recreational use, then do it. But as long as there are prescribers writing 100% of their prescriptions for oxycodone and xanax we should heavily regulate the industry. I would also like a way to prevent a physician from state-hopping whenever their license is forfeited for malpractice or unethical conduct.
 
2013-01-27 06:09:42 AM  

omnimancer28: Rumpertumpskin: Ambien is also being depicted in articles as a blackout drug. Some people take it and flake, which makes for good reading.

Here is an article from 3 days ago:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/10/fda-cuts-ambien-dosage s -in-half-amid-concerns-of-sleepy-driving

The short term effects are not really what bother me about Ambien. It is the lack of studies regarding long-term use. The studies that DO exist indicate that long-term daily use leads to tolerance, severe insomnia, and memory loss not related to the "blackouts". Scary shiat when I consider how many of my patients have developed such a need for it that they cannot sleep without using Ambien + a benzodiazepine.


I'm sorry but that's a load of horseshiat. Took me five minutes to find this one:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23115404 and I've read more based off links from there.

It's not for everyone, but for chronic insomniacs like me it's a freakin' godsend. I take it responsibly, see my doctor every few months, and so far I have yet to have one incident in SEVEN YEARS (at 20mg/night for 5 of those, no less). The few nights I skipped it so I could stay up and do some extended traveling, I suffered exactly *zero* withdrawal. You want dependence, try dropping off Effexor. Or booze after using it to try and sleep for a while, and that shiat doesn't even require an RX.

I'm no more dependent on it than I am my Wellbutrin.

It should be clamped down on, it gets handed out like candy, I admit that. But for me, I have yet to hear a downside to my arrangement, as it has far less of an aftermath than seroquel or lunesta, and yes, I've been through every form of sleep modification and counseling you can imagine.

IT. WORKS. If I take it the rest of my life, so what? Is it going to give me cancer? No. Organ failure? No. High blood pressure... oh wait, that's the goddamn robotussin I took a couple of weeks again.

/to quote someone else: "From my cold, sleeping fingers..."
 
2013-01-27 06:10:33 AM  
Here's the rule, folks:

If it's a drug made by a drug company for druggies like Rush Limbaugh to drug themselves with, it's not really a drug--unless it's been bought on the street by a minority; then it becomes a Grave Threat to Humanity, eleventy zillion times worse than the Russian nuclear arsenal and almost as bad as the Evil Weed from the Devil's Garden.

/Floriduh is what America would look like if Big Pharma took over completely
 
2013-01-27 06:18:17 AM  

DrPainMD: cretinbob: This is why I can't get something for my farking back.

You can blame that on people who vote for Democrats or Republicans.


So true. It's the 99% of you voters who keep wasting their votes on the Diet Pepsi or Diet Coke candidates election after election after election who keep this stupid system going in perpetuity. Really, there isn't a whole lotta difference between the Democratic and Republican factions of the Corporate Sell-Out Party. My proposal is to have an eight-foot high gorilla wearing moron-stomping boots standing outside the polling places; anybody foolish enough to waste their vote on the one-party system gets stomped good and hard.

/proud that i'm one of the 0.000000000000000001% who actually voted for a real second party
//go Jill Stein, whoo hoo!
 
2013-01-27 06:28:06 AM  
getting a kick - 3-hr shoulder surgery on 1/22 humeral joint debride, gleneid ladrum repair, SAD mumford RTC tear repair and bicep tendonesis. Awesome nerve block during surgery, 2-day med ball to continue block. Beloved, icy Cryrocuff for post-op pain and 40 diluad (not needed or wanted).

CSS - neice in FL got busted for oxy sales; 3 pain mgmt clinics with "legal" scripts ... gotta love FL
 
2013-01-27 06:38:27 AM  

doglover: Why don't we just legalize recreational drug use?

Then doctors could review your medical records and advise you on the safest ways to get high and how to do so responsibly while pharmacists could legally sell you OTC strength things like marijuana and ecstasy and the really responsible types could get more dangerous things like opium fresh from Afghanistan which would boost their local economy if they could export it legally directly to America they'd finally have money to live a western lifestyle of relative opulence and it would reduce terrorism, end wars, and start to reduce the population once when everyone has pill-dick and can't finish.


Bingo! But God forbid politicians of America accept reality and treat adults like grown-ups. Of course, if you come from a wealthy family (hello politicians) you can easily afford and have access to every and any thing one could want.

A $2,000 hooker (whoops, escort!) doing your dong in the limo after a night at the opera? Good show! A working man getting a $20 head job in the alley because his pig of a wife chooses to pretend the lad has no needs? Oh, arrest that scallywag, fine him big and shame him in public while placing his name on a pervert offender list for life.

I've no doubt the wealthier and more powerful families are the more immoral and debased their tastes run. They are free to drink deeply of the water and the wine, to victimize others for their pleasure and to pressure men of medicine into dispensing them whatever they wish. Merely get the drop on someone and you have them by the jewels, and that's what wealthy/powerful people do.

We the great unwashed are here to be thankful for whatever scraps we may be tossed, pay arrest fines and serve jail time. To suffer in silence, to break our backs in factories and to long for a better life. The sooner Americans wake the hell up and put those firearms they cherish to good use the quicker things can become fair for all.
 
2013-01-27 06:55:18 AM  

doglover: Why don't we just legalize recreational drug use?

Then doctors could review your medical records and advise you on the safest ways to get high and how to do so responsibly while pharmacists could legally sell you OTC strength things like marijuana and ecstasy and the really responsible types could get more dangerous things like opium fresh from Afghanistan which would boost their local economy if they could export it legally directly to America they'd finally have money to live a western lifestyle of relative opulence and it would reduce terrorism, end wars, and start to reduce the population once when everyone has pill-dick and can't finish.


Why?

Because the Right has spent the last half-century or so treating recreational drug use as a moral issue instead of a public health or societal issue. The dogma is that recreational drug use is objectively evil and inherently bad (except when the drug is alcohol or tobacco), and that use of it is a moral weakness and character flaw.

It got worse in the Reagan era, to be sure. Carter was talking about pushing for cannabis legalization, and if he'd gotten re-elected in 1980 that was on his agenda, but instead we got "Just Say No" Reagan and the "War on Drugs", but the conservatives had been railing against the evils of drugs for a lot longer. Go back and watch some of the 1960's version of Dragnet, and see Jack Webb delivering the 1969 version of a "Just Say No" anti-drug lecture about how bad drugs are.

From a purely logical standpoint, prescription drugs are probably the best for recreational use: they have a known strength, purity and dose and well documented and generally understood effects. However, the law is that's illegal, which means our law enforcement agencies spend a LOT of time and money tracking down pill dealers.

If our drug policy was changed to say make cannabis legal like tobacco and alcohol (i.e. regulated, taxed and commercially traded) and allow for recreational use of opiates under medical supervision, then I'd say the overall crime rate in the US (including violent crime) would probably drop sharply, prison populations would plummet, and it would go a long way to improving the quality of life in America.

. . . but that won't happen. Too many people have too much invested in keeping it a "moral' issue. Not the least of which is the drug dealers, who would be out of business if their Federal price supports were repealed and everybody could get their highs easily and legally at Walgreens and CVS.
 
2013-01-27 07:28:33 AM  
I've heard several stories about this lately - all of them breathless and hysterical. It's sounds like the Authoritarians are ramping up for another "crackdown" on pain relief, and another delightful round of making pain patients suffer in the name of puritanism. Go, U.S.A.
Number f**king one.
Whoopee.
 
2013-01-27 07:37:24 AM  
What we need is a national healthcare database, so docs and pharmacies can look up patient records and see that Mr. Smith really did break his back 10 years ago and 5 states over. But noooo, patient privacy! Especially for politicians and celebrities,actually. They don't really give a damn about everyone else.
 
2013-01-27 07:40:15 AM  

jso2897: I've heard several stories about this lately - all of them breathless and hysterical. It's sounds like the Authoritarians are ramping up for another "crackdown" on pain relief, and another delightful round of making pain patients suffer in the name of puritanism. Go, U.S.A.
Number f**king one.
Whoopee.


I am hardly hysterical. Before we severely limited the amount we carried, my pharmacy was filling something like 50 scripts per day. (And we are a low volume store) Every single one for 180 oxycodone 30mg or 360 percocet 10/325. Every single script written by the same three doctors. Every single script with the EXACT same diagnosis code for lower back pain.

If you want people with legitimate chronic pain to stop having a hard time finding medication, crack down on the damned pill-mills. And the U.S.A is number f**king one. We are number one in the world for the consumption of opioid analgesics per capita by a ridiculous margin.
 
2013-01-27 07:45:38 AM  

gingerjet: Thunderboy: Yes, we're all different, and feel pain differently, but we're living in a culture driven by addiction and the products that feed those addictions, and it's upsetting to see so many people caught up in it.

Still not a good reason to punish good doctors or limit access to a drug just because a small percentage are abusing it.


I agree, which is why I never said anything to the contrary.
 
2013-01-27 07:48:46 AM  

Thunderboy: I agree, which is why I never said anything to the contrary.


Wait. That didn't make any sense.

Just ... I agree.
 
2013-01-27 07:55:56 AM  
FTFA:
The sheriffs office says pain management centers in Sarasota are already required to used the date base before writing a prescription

A computer datin' base?
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-27 09:01:00 AM  
Who cares? Drug companies get more money to research new drugs, doctors get to pay off their student loans, drug dealers on the street can't peddle as much smack cut with corn starch, and less people get put in prisons. Bring on the pain clinics and add marijuana too.
 
2013-01-27 09:51:37 AM  

teto85: Rush's sister? Wife? Drag persona?


Sorry Michelle, but that was a long time ago. Please go wash the sand out.

webpages.charter.net
 
2013-01-27 09:55:01 AM  

Commander_Neckbeard: I refuse to take any kind of narcotic analgesic for fear of addiction. I've taken them twice, once after I had my wisdom teeth out, (I took one pill and didn't really need that) and once when I broke down during a sinus infection and took one offered to me by my wife, felt very very guilty after that. I won't touch them anymore at all, and I'm hoping that I can keep singing that tune if I'm in pain.


You're not going to win any medals for putting yourself through serious pain.

This is where I get hung up. Is rx pain med abuse a problem? Absolutely. Are people addicted and wasting what could be an otherwise healthy life? Yes

But there is another group of people. People living with blinding farking pain. People who do need a metric farkton of meds to ease that misery. People who are treated like druggie shiatheads for it. Some people seem to think those people using too many meds are bad too. "They're addicted." Well, so what? They're not going to be contributing much to society living with that much pain anyways. Why should they be made to suffer? This isn't the Middle Ages.
 
2013-01-27 09:55:07 AM  

Gyrfalcon: cretinbob: This is why I can't get something for my farking back.

This is exactly why.


I know it is. The stuff that works isn't even a controlled substance, but has "opioid like " properties so the doctors won't give it to me, or give me very much if they do. I can't afford a new MRI (last one is almost 8 years old) to show how bad the arthritis has gotten, so it's pretty much "fark you".
This is what I hope changes next year.
It's the 21st century and assholes like this can be tracked and dealt with.

(thisiswhywecan'thavenicethingscat.jpg)
 
2013-01-27 10:05:45 AM  
As a former addict, yes, farking Floriduh. Used to be you could get a opiate painkiller script just buy calling and having a "cosultation" with a doctor with no proof of a medial condition required. Of course they used their own pharmacy to ship the stuff out and charged a nice amount per pill. Suprisingly they were real doctors but they knew they were nothing but dealers as they'd make like $100 taking a 3 min phonecall. It wasn't until later that they started to require some kind of proof but you could still easily search for pictures of a xray on the intenet and just email that pic to them. Doctor shopping wasn't an issue either. It was really simple and the only limit was how much money you had to spend. This was some years ago and I really really hope they've made laws to plug up the loopholes for the most part. I know the state I live in started to convescate shipments of drugs from Florida.
 
2013-01-27 10:45:51 AM  

SquiggsIN: Florida does not have a prescription drug registration, database, or pretty much any control over what licensed doctors do in their state.

This should've just been labled with the usual "Florida" tag as the entire state is "Scary".


Actually, I think you've just hit on why the Florida tag exists to begin with. They're all gassed...
 
2013-01-27 11:49:38 AM  

cretinbob: This is why I can't get something for my farking back.


Yeah, while I have something for my back, I have to tolerate being treating like a scumbag criminal in order to get it.
 
2013-01-27 12:04:27 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: It's just that one time there  was nothing at all in my system, dude acted  like I was demon drug dealer child from the darkest part  of Tartarus. Yeesh.


Yes, and I'm asking if you ever bothered to verbalize with this new doctor what your optimal pain management is.  Going by your story alone, I would accuse you of dealing the drugs as well.
 
2013-01-27 12:05:32 PM  

cretinbob: This is why I can't get something for my farking back.


Exactly! Pisses me off that I'm treated like a possible dealer or addict because I have serious pain from a broken neck. I see ONE doctor and fill two prescriptions a month. The people at CVS look at you like there's a second head growing out of your neck.

HANG THIS BIATCH OUT TO DRY!
 
2013-01-27 12:13:40 PM  

HoratioGates: Personally, I think you should be able to put whatever you want in your body, as long as you aren't mooching off the system to do it and aren't putting other people in danger.


damn, ....does that include certain farkers? And, that last part, define "danger", does that include rope, duct tape, and chloroform?

/I have a list
//it's not for holiday cards
///no you're not on it
////you either
 
2013-01-27 12:29:58 PM  

Fecal Conservative: bunner: Fecal Conservative: If he/she had a minimum of 7 years to spend on Med school residency. Fair bit of time wouldn't you say?

And very expensive time. This means they should be entitled to an upper middle class lifestyle forever. Absolutely. because as soon as something bec.. never mind. Lots of people spent 7 years doing difficult sh*t and got the opportunity to continue doing it for another 60 years. 65 if they could afford a doctor.

You can spend 20 years on your first day as a journeyman bricklayer. What's your point?


But do they call you "Olaf the bricklayer?"
 
2013-01-27 12:54:12 PM  
Your body
Your money
Your choice

... so long as you don't sell or cause harm to others. If you do, then we get to fit you with cement overshoes and take you fishing

Problem solved.
 
2013-01-27 01:33:07 PM  

ktybear: [www.piquenewsmagazine.com image 850x527]

/a picture is always worth more than a thousand words
//go green, come clean


Speaking of which, when I last had a major injury, tib/fib, tibia fractured, fibula shattered into a dozen pieces (though tightly bound together) I was in pretty incredible pain. Percocet helped but percocet and a bowl Helped a great deal more. Too high and it started hurting again, but just the right amount, and a lot of the pain dissipated. I was truly amazed at just how much smoking assisted me in dealing with the injury and recovery.

\CSB
\\sorta... not really.
 
2013-01-27 02:29:11 PM  

ILoveBurritos: Its funny that prescription drug abuse is as big or bigger of a problem than illicit drugs, but it never gets as much attention.


Bullshiat. Anyone who needs strong pain meds or sleep aids has to practically do a song and dance for it. What, should it fark  more people over before it's 'got enough attention'?
 
2013-01-27 03:31:33 PM  
Ah any one remember the old days of www.onlinepharmacy.com & www.thepillbox.com?....

Life was so much easier than....
 
2013-01-27 03:36:43 PM  

PsiChick: ILoveBurritos: Its funny that prescription drug abuse is as big or bigger of a problem than illicit drugs, but it never gets as much attention.

Bullshiat. Anyone who needs strong pain meds or sleep aids has to practically do a song and dance for it. What, should it fark  more people over before it's 'got enough attention'?



No, you'll sit there writhing in untreated pain and like it. Take heart, because of your sacrifice no one can have a party with the oxys, and that's really important somehow.
 
2013-01-27 03:41:56 PM  

BlaqueKatt: damn, ....does that include certain farkers? And, that last part, define "danger", does that include rope, duct tape, and chloroform?


I guess I should have qualified that. As long as it's consensual, so yes to rope and duct tape, and no to chloroform, unless there is a signed waiver.
 
2013-01-27 03:55:26 PM  
This would be more impressive under a single payer system.
 
2013-01-27 03:59:24 PM  

SquiggsIN: Florida does not have a prescription drug registration, database, or pretty much any control over what licensed doctors drug dealers with medical degrees do in their state.

This should've just been labled with the usual "Florida" tag as the entire state is "Scary".


One thing Florida is consistent with is giving Americans access to fark-tons of drugs. From cocaine to oxycodone...,,the Sunshine state is for you!
 
2013-01-27 04:24:41 PM  
Ask the majority of middle-class heroin users on exactly how they started using smack. The overwhelming majority were dependent on LEGAL painkillers and switched to street heroin after their pill habits became unmanageable. Then the user is dealing with a much more lethal and dangerous drug, running a much higher risk of overdose. Heroin dealers will cut their shiat with ANYTHING they can get their hands on to boost the potency.

Oxycodone turned an entire farking generation into junkies, with the scumbags at Big Pharma profiting every step of the way.
 
2013-01-27 04:50:36 PM  
And here in Washington they are going to clamp down even MORE and we have some of the strictest regs in the country.

But hey, fark it, we got weed so we don't need to deal with the pharmaceutical scams anymore.
 
2013-01-27 05:12:11 PM  

HoratioGates: so yes to rope and duct tape, and no to chloroform, unless there is a signed waiver.


who has to sign the waiver?
 
2013-01-27 08:44:53 PM  

A Terrible Human: Holy shiat does Florida not track that shiat at all? Here they would be up your ass after the first two scripts.


No, they don't. "Pill mills" are a lucrative business down south.
 
2013-01-28 10:58:26 AM  

A Terrible Human: Holy shiat does Florida not track that shiat at all? Here they would be up your ass after the first two scripts.


SquiggsIN: Florida does not have a prescription drug registration, database, or pretty much any control over what licensed doctors do in their state.


Florida does have a database and it takes 30 seconds to check. It shows every drug the patient is on. It is optional to check, but if the doctor/pharmacist doesn't check and write/fill a lot of suspicious scripts the law will be more likely to look into the doc/pharmacists if a lot of busts are made on their patients.
 
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