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2013-01-26 06:29:10 PM
15 votes:
THE GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED
2013-01-26 08:05:30 PM
9 votes:
Why is the answer either arm everybody or disarm everybody? The problems causing gun violence runs much deeper than who has and who doesn't have a gun. It's education, opportunities, mental health, proper parenting, and yes, easy access to firearms. This isn't going to be solved any time soon, but as long as the debate is reduced to guns good v. guns bad it will never be solved.
2013-01-26 07:11:41 PM
7 votes:

vartian: The man told police he was trying to dry fire, or fire the gun without a round in it. He said the gun was unloaded when he checked it earlier in the week and he didn't know who would have loaded it. Police found another loaded gun on the man's table and unloaded it, according to the report.


He's lucky he just shot himself and didn't kill anyone else. How do you leave something like "the gun was unloaded a week ago" to chance?

I'm not a gun person and even I know the basic rules of "the gun is ALWAYS loaded" and "don't point a gun at anything you're not willing to shoot/kill."
2013-01-26 06:00:53 PM
4 votes:
18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.
2013-01-26 06:00:34 PM
4 votes:
The 54-year-old St. Charles resident told police he was showing off a .25 caliber pistol he thought was unloaded

Someone this stupid should not be allowed to handle guns, let alone sell them.
2013-01-26 09:52:03 PM
3 votes:
I don't think it's at all unreasonable to have at least the same level of regulation on firearms as there is on automobiles.

You have to register your car, it has to be insured ( against your ability to damage property and/or injure with it) , and you need a license to operate one. We all accept comprehensive, far-reaching safety regulation on cars without conflating it with a "government conspiracy" to take our cars away. People just need to start acting and speaking like bloody adults on this issue. It should be frigging easy.
2013-01-26 09:32:41 PM
3 votes:
I've found people who are afraid of owning a gun are the same type of people who are afraid of heights. Basically they do not trust themselves not to have some momentary insanity and jump off the cliff or blow their brains out. A lot of people in here fall into that category and probably shouldn't buy a gun. Just don't assume everyone shares your fears.

islamicsunrays.com
2013-01-26 08:58:46 PM
3 votes:
Someone in a country of 310,000,000 people had a stupid accident today? What are the chances of that?
2013-01-26 07:56:45 PM
3 votes:
Can we just ban stupid people?

Now I understand this proposal won't be popular with everyone, so how about we just ban high-capacity assault stupidity.  Like, if you're really, really stupid and in a position where your stupidity could do a lot of damage, then you get taken away and melted down and fed to geese or something.

Granted, this proposal would change the makeup of Washington DC, the major media, all of Fox "news," and most of the NASCAR, MLB, and NFL fan base, and it would cut into the profits of the  Anheuser Busch brewing company, as well as decimating the two major political parties.  But in the end, wouldn't it be worth it?
2013-01-26 06:34:51 PM
3 votes:

vartian: feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.

We agree - all guns are clearly very dangerous and should be regulated.


No, not all of the murders were with guns, 15 were, two were with knives and one guy was beaten to death. The common denominator is criminals. We need to better regulate criminals.
2013-01-26 11:25:50 PM
2 votes:

amquelbettamin: I've found people who are afraid of owning a gun are the same type of people who are afraid of heights.


Afraid of owning a gun-- What kind of bullshiat is that? It's like saying that I'm afraid of owning a big-screen TV.

It's a product just like any other. It's only you gun nuts that attach some mystical significance to owning a gun.
2013-01-26 09:27:03 PM
2 votes:
I love that the survivalists and gun nuts are out spending their money. Without realizing it, they're helping Obama to improve the economy, and they're doing it because he used reverse-psychology on them.

It's so sweet.
2013-01-26 09:15:26 PM
2 votes:

Altitude5280: I love this video. People running in a panic from what they adore.
Link


I'm waiting for one of these people to discharge their "empty" gun into their own foot, and for 35 people to spin around and light him up, and probably each other. With everyone with their itchy trigger fingers lately, a tragedy like that wouldn't surprise me at all. Much like if there had been 5 people with concealed carry weapons in the Aurora CO theater shooting. They wouldn't all know who to shoot, they'd just each see 5 other people with guns drawn, or "five targets".
2013-01-26 09:12:41 PM
2 votes:

generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?


i45.tinypic.com

lol another pointless gun thread
2013-01-26 09:09:38 PM
2 votes:
How the hell does one fire a pistol into their own palm when firing it by sliding the action?

Was he holding it by wrapping his hand around the end of the barrel?

Dude is insanely stupid or lying.
2013-01-26 08:59:59 PM
2 votes:
It's amateur hour at gun shows. Like all the drunks out on New Year's Eve. Be careful out there!
2013-01-26 08:57:49 PM
2 votes:
If the only thing that protects from a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, what protects us from a dumbfark with a gun?
2013-01-26 08:38:31 PM
2 votes:

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Always point the gun at yourself. The gun is never loaded, especially if the gun has been out of your sight for any amount of time.

There, I just fixed the issue of stupid people having weapons.


The head, Snarc! Tell them to aim it at the head. America NEEDs Organ Donors.
2013-01-26 08:37:31 PM
2 votes:
Always point the gun at yourself. The gun is never loaded, especially if the gun has been out of your sight for any amount of time.

There, I just fixed the issue of stupid people having weapons.
2013-01-26 08:18:50 PM
2 votes:

Krymson Tyde: Why is the answer either arm everybody or disarm everybody? The problems causing gun violence runs much deeper than who has and who doesn't have a gun. It's education, opportunities, mental health, proper parenting, and yes, easy access to firearms. This isn't going to be solved any time soon, but as long as the debate is reduced to guns good v. guns bad it will never be solved.


But nuance is hard, so you have to either want everybody armed to the teeth, or want all guns seized from their owners by the government without regard to whether or not said guns were acquired lawfully or the mental stability of the owners. The "small arms for some, free mental health evaluation for others" position is forbidden.

This is America. You're only allowed to be at either extreme position in any debate, especially political debates.
2013-01-26 07:59:44 PM
2 votes:
Yes. I just called a magazine a clip. I'm self-correcting myself. SORRY FARK SOCIETY OF PEDANTS.
2013-01-26 06:36:15 PM
2 votes:

feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.


Not only that, but Obama is from Chicago, and he is a Negro, you know. Therefore idiots shooting themselves at gun shows are better than Negroes.
2013-01-27 02:05:57 AM
1 votes:

mrexcess: RealFarknMcCoy2
Guns are under much tighter restrictions in Switzerland than they are in the US, and gun ownership runs at about 1/2 the rate of that in the US, so no, that doesn't tell you shiat. But nice try.

Do you have citations for those claims? For men between the ages of 20 and 30, their home must contain a fully automatic Sig SG 550 rifle. After their militia service has ended, these men are allowed the option of keeping their rifles for life. The result is that, according to Wikipedia, approximately 29% of Swiss homes contain firearms. That number in the US is 43%.

Switzerland has a lot of guns, including assault rifles. They have essentially no instances of mass shootings, and very little gun crime.

My point stands - firearms ownership is not the root problem, and restricting firearms ownership is treating only a symptom of the actual problem.



What's amusing to me is how you managed to quote from the Wikipedia page to "support" your argument (which you didn't - it's around 1/2 the rate of gun ownership of the US, per capita), but managed to conveniently IGNORE the information on the SAME wikipedia page which shoots your argument all to hell, to wit: the restrictions placed on gun ownership in Switzerland:

Basically, the sale of automatic firearms, selective fire weapons and certain accessories such as sound suppressors ("silencers") is forbidden (as is the sale of certain disabled automatic firearms which have been identified as easily restored to fully automatic capability). The purchase of such items is however legal with a special permit issued by cantonal police. The issuance of such a permit requires additional requirements to be met, e.g. the possession of a specific gun locker.

So, if you REALLY believed that Switzerland were so similar to the US in gun ownership rates, the substantial difference is the restrictions, such as those listed, above. Thereby supporting my point about restrictions on ownership and their contribution to keeping gun violence down.
2013-01-27 01:27:01 AM
1 votes:
Five people were murdered in Chicago on Saturday. Too bad they didn't have a gun show, it would have been safer.
2013-01-27 01:04:39 AM
1 votes:
Smgth
I agree, everyone is stupid; I'm down with a clean slate. Perhaps the dolphins can make a go of it.

Sigh.

As a species, we've created so much beauty. We've visited space. We're a few technological steps from achieving functional immortality, and eliminating resource scarcity.

The one and only thing that might prevent us is attitude like yours. Not our stupidity or ignorance or propensity to make mistakes, but our cruelty, our violence, our inhumanity towards and lack of care for one another.
2013-01-27 12:33:10 AM
1 votes:
Never did like those flip barrels. It's like an accident waiting to happen

/and it did happen
2013-01-26 11:49:04 PM
1 votes:

mrexcess: Hickory-smoked
Are you denying that access to guns is a factor?

Are you denying that cultural factors are a more weighty one?

There are lots of guns in Switzerland: every military-age male is required to maintain a fully automatic assault rifle in their home, along with an ammunition stockpile. Yet there's almost no gun crime or instances of mass shootings there.

Doesn't that tell us that access to firearms isn't actually the root of the problem, and that trying to limit or ban certain classes of firearms is treating the symptom and not the cause?


Guns are under much tighter restrictions in Switzerland than they are in the US, and gun ownership runs at about 1/2 the rate of that in the US, so no, that doesn't tell you shiat. But nice try.
2013-01-26 11:43:26 PM
1 votes:

born_yesterday:
That sounds like a "bug" and not a "feature". With a major design flaw like that, how do you reliably unload the damn thing? Can't you still lock the slide back and leave the chamber exposed to look for/unload a chambered round?

/Honestly asking
//Will keep this in mind if I ever handle a .25


Flipping barrel

www.ranchdogoutdoors.com
2013-01-26 11:42:44 PM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: More and more, the government is creating these scenarios to turn public opinion against guns, gun ownership, and gun owners


Yes, people accidentally shooting themselves is all part of a sinister government plot.

I hear more rational people on Coast to Coast AM.
2013-01-26 11:26:33 PM
1 votes:

amquelbettamin: I've found people who are afraid of owning a gun are the same type of people who are afraid of heights. Basically they do not trust themselves not to have some momentary insanity and jump off the cliff or blow their brains out. A lot of people in here fall into that category and probably shouldn't buy a gun. Just don't assume everyone shares your fears.

[islamicsunrays.com image 300x450]


I've found that people who make ASSumptions about people who are in favor of stricter gun controls are the same type of people who are stupid enough to shoot themselves accidentally with their own guns.

/just sayin'
//I'm not "afraid" of owning a gun, nor am I saying that absolutely nobody should own one. I AM in favor of tightening the restrictions on gun ownership, however. If that happens to exclude you because you are: A) insane, B) irresponsible or C) too farking stupid to be allowed to own one, then too goddamned bad. Live with it.
2013-01-26 11:09:52 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
cancer and drowning kill a lot of folks every year too.
sadly, not enough of them are guntards.
2013-01-26 11:06:04 PM
1 votes:
2013-01-26 10:56:58 PM
1 votes:
Dayum, late to the party again, fer shame.

3.bp.blogspot.com
2013-01-26 10:51:15 PM
1 votes:

mrexcess: There are lots of guns in Switzerland: every military-age male is required to maintain a fully automatic assault rifle in their home, along with an ammunition stockpile. Yet there's almost no gun crime or instances of mass shootings there.


Compulsory military service will do that I suppose.
2013-01-26 10:45:23 PM
1 votes:

iheartscotch:

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'


Whether it's guns or cats, people who hoard/collect anything obsessively strike me as a little "off." Seriously, some old lady has five cats and she's "that crazy old cat lady." Some old dude has 57 guns and he's "that patriot who's preparing to defend himself against the forces of government tyranny." Nope, nothing odd about that, no sir.
2013-01-26 10:29:10 PM
1 votes:

amquelbettamin: I've found people who are afraid of owning a gun are the same type of people who are afraid of heights.


Wait a minute... that's what you think this debate is about?

I don't know anyone who is afraid of owning a gun. I can name quite a few people who are concerned about guns in the hands of the untrained or criminally irresponsible, and it seems like a reasonable position.
2013-01-26 10:22:36 PM
1 votes:

generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?


C'mon. It's always amusing when gun owners claim to be "responsible".
2013-01-26 10:21:09 PM
1 votes:

Krymson Tyde: Why is the answer either arm everybody or disarm everybody? The problems causing gun violence runs much deeper than who has and who doesn't have a gun. It's education, opportunities, mental health, proper parenting, and yes, easy access to firearms. This isn't going to be solved any time soon, but as long as the debate is reduced to guns good v. guns bad it will never be solved.


Partly because many of those issues are effectively impossible to solve. We do not have the money or the gumption. We can't even agree to provide universal healthcare through taxation. Education? Ha!
2013-01-26 10:18:36 PM
1 votes:

fusillade762: The 54-year-old St. Charles resident told police he was showing off a .25 caliber pistol he thought was unloaded

Someone this stupid should not be allowed to handle guns, let alone sell them.


I don't know about you but personally I believe that the average person is an idiot, or at least that idiots comprise a significantly large portion of the population. Therein lies the rub, or something.
2013-01-26 10:08:49 PM
1 votes:

generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?


I have to assume someone who profits from the advertising on this site
2013-01-26 10:06:20 PM
1 votes:
You guys treat each other like enemies on a battlefield, not citizens in the same society who disagree about a course of action on policy.

Maybe that's part of why so many people think that they need guns, and why so many think that they're too dangerous to have around.
2013-01-26 10:02:59 PM
1 votes:

Saturn5: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x225]

Clearly we must ban Chicago.


NYC also have tough gun laws and crime is plummeting there.

http://www.npr.org/2013/01/24/170155191/new-york-murder-rate-plummet s- but-who-should-get-the-credit

It's almost as if the crime problems in Chicago are more complicated to solve than just gun bans or adding more guns on the street with CCW permits.

/Gets tired of the Chicago bashing
2013-01-26 09:58:30 PM
1 votes:

iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Meanwhile, in Alabama...

Riddle me this...

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'

When I pass a school I don't think, "Look at all those straight-A students!" When I pass a church I'm not sure it's filled with kind, thoughtful, spiritual people When I merge onto the highway I'm not confident I'm surrounded by competent, attentive and alert drivers.

Going by the daily dipsh*t like this guy and the one aiming at his daughter in yesterday's thread and the derp in these threads I'm thinking gun owners rate about the same kind of assessment. At this point I think advocating increased gun regulation would be the minimum requirement for "responsible gun owner."

I submit that statistical outliers exist in every group. Such statistical outliers skew the results of any graph/study.

I, also, submit that judgments rendered based on statistical outliers would be illogical.

I, also, submit that criticizing the intelligence or penis size of any debate opponent would be counter-productive.

My point?

There are roughly 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Roughly 240,000,000.

This is a story about 1. I would define that as a statistical outlier.


And based on that logic, since nearly every story is about one gun, they are all statistical outliers.

Hey! You just cured cancer!
2013-01-26 09:57:54 PM
1 votes:
2.bp.blogspot.com

Clearly we must ban Chicago.
2013-01-26 09:33:54 PM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: jmadisonbiii: feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.

Chicago should enact some tough guns laws.  That'll stop the violence.

They should make the whole city a gun free zone.


No, they should just allow people to carry a concealed weapon, look at the wonders that law has done with crime in places like St. Louis and Detroit (states which have CCW).

This argument is stupid.
2013-01-26 09:22:52 PM
1 votes:

Brubold: Yeah it's almost like a bunch of gun noobs were created by the push to start banning guns. How's that gun control working out for ya?


"An Iowa gun dealer was hospitalized after he accidentally shot himself in the hand before a gun show Friday afternoon at the Iowa State Fairgrounds."

First sentence.
2013-01-26 09:19:23 PM
1 votes:
Meanwhile, in Alabama...
2013-01-26 09:19:01 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Someone in a country of 310,000,000 people had a stupid accident today?

I didn't. I don't have any guns. Coincidence? I wonder...
2013-01-26 09:18:44 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: How hard is it to eject a clip, rack the slide and lock it back, and visually clear the chamber?


On some .25s, what you describe there will get the same results the dealer got.

...Some .25s have overly long firing pins, and the protruding firing pin is used in place of a separate ejector. So, cycling the slide with a live round is likely to set off the round.

That's why it's important to not just know the basic safety rules, but know the specifics of the particular firearm
2013-01-26 09:18:42 PM
1 votes:

serpent_sky: vartian: The man told police he was trying to dry fire, or fire the gun without a round in it. He said the gun was unloaded when he checked it earlier in the week and he didn't know who would have loaded it. Police found another loaded gun on the man's table and unloaded it, according to the report.

He's lucky he just shot himself and didn't kill anyone else. How do you leave something like "the gun was unloaded a week ago" to chance?

I'm not a gun person and even I know the basic rules of "the gun is ALWAYS loaded" and "don't point a gun at anything you're not willing to shoot/kill."


Yep, but people are lazy.

-People don't wear seatbelts because they're just "Heading down to the store real quick."
-People don't wear helmets because "I'm just going to be out for a bit and it will mess up my hair."
-They cross in the middle of the road because "The cross walk is 50 yards away and I don't want to walk that far."
-They speed through a school zone because "Ugh, 20mph is too slow!"
-They pass school buses that are in the middle of loading/unloading students because "Damnit, not *again*, I'm sick of waiting behind this thing!"
-They drive way too fast on snowy roads because "I've got somewhere I need to be in normal driving time and can't be bothered to wake up 15 min earlier."


No one should be terribly shocked when someone with a gun does the same thing. I'm not saying they shouldn't berated for it, they should, repeatedly. But it's not worse than a lot of other stuff that gets caused by laziness either. And that's worth keeping in mind before you light the torches and get out the pitchforks.

/people are lazy
//this can make them do very stupid things.
///circle of life..and all that.
2013-01-26 09:17:31 PM
1 votes:
Yeah it's almost like a bunch of gun noobs were created by the push to start banning guns. How's that gun control working out for ya?
2013-01-26 09:16:18 PM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.


After comparing the population of Chicago to the population of a gun show, I think I'll take my odds in Chicago.

/plus it's exponentially more entertaining
2013-01-26 09:12:49 PM
1 votes:

Pray 4 Mojo: How the hell does one fire a pistol into their own palm when firing it by sliding the action?

Was he holding it by wrapping his hand around the end of the barrel?

Dude is insanely stupid or lying.


or lying to hide the fact he's stupid.
2013-01-26 09:11:47 PM
1 votes:
A .25 round? Did it break the skin?

Seriously, those are the least powerful cartridges made. Shooting from a rifle makes them passable, but out of handguns they have about as much power as a subsonic .22LR round.
2013-01-26 09:07:46 PM
1 votes:

generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?


It's like a NY vs. Chicago-style pizza thread.
2013-01-26 09:04:48 PM
1 votes:
I love this video. People running in a panic from what they adore.
Link
2013-01-26 09:03:24 PM
1 votes:
Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?
2013-01-26 08:56:54 PM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: BronyMedic: Yes. I just called a magazine a clip. I'm self-correcting myself. SORRY FARK SOCIETY OF PEDANTS.

Why don't you make a point rather than post so much? Quality is much more impressive than quantity.


You should take your own advice.
2013-01-26 08:52:14 PM
1 votes:
If only he had had a gun, he could have defended himself from this attack
2013-01-26 08:42:00 PM
1 votes:
I worked IT at a couple gun stores for about a year and two customers were shot in that time. Most are careful, but some people are cocky with guns.
2013-01-26 08:24:25 PM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: jmadisonbiii: feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.

Chicago should enact some tough guns laws.  That'll stop the violence.

They should make the whole city a gun free zone.


Yes, go with a law doesn't stop all crime so there should be no laws at all argument. That's a sure winner
2013-01-26 08:11:13 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Yes. I just called a magazine a clip. I'm self-correcting myself. SORRY FARK SOCIETY OF PEDANTS.


Why don't you make a point rather than post so much? Quality is much more impressive than quantity.
2013-01-26 08:09:19 PM
1 votes:

bronyaur1: feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.

Not only that, but Obama is from Chicago, and he is a Negro, you know. Therefore idiots shooting themselves at gun shows are better than Negroes.


If you say so you racist.
2013-01-26 07:44:18 PM
1 votes:
Fark gun control, can we enforce using your brain control?
2013-01-26 07:15:52 PM
1 votes:
Clearly Obama, in concert with the indestructible shadow armies of the U.N., used their their time machine(s) to discredit this brilliant patriot by secretly loading this firearm of unimaginable destructive power and then unleashed their mind control rays to force him to act in an asstardedly irresponsible fashion all with the greater goal of forcing every American who cheered at the end of "Rocky IV" into indentured servitude making -- and then destroying -- Larry the Cable Guy memorabilia.

When will you sheeple finally see how simple it is?
2013-01-26 06:39:35 PM
1 votes:
so he shot himself with a .25 that he owned and was either racking or dry firing?


So much wrong with this story
2013-01-26 06:33:35 PM
1 votes:

feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.


We agree - all guns are clearly very dangerous and should be regulated.
2013-01-26 06:32:24 PM
1 votes:
The man told police he was trying to dry fire, or fire the gun without a round in it. He said the gun was unloaded when he checked it earlier in the week and he didn't know who would have loaded it. Police found another loaded gun on the man's table and unloaded it, according to the report.
2013-01-26 06:02:58 PM
1 votes:
Responsible gun ownership thread.
 
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