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2013-01-26 06:00:34 PM
The 54-year-old St. Charles resident told police he was showing off a .25 caliber pistol he thought was unloaded

Someone this stupid should not be allowed to handle guns, let alone sell them.
 
2013-01-26 06:00:53 PM
18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.
 
2013-01-26 06:02:58 PM
Responsible gun ownership thread.
 
2013-01-26 06:05:47 PM
At least the bullets are going in the right direction.
 
2013-01-26 06:29:10 PM
THE GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED
 
2013-01-26 06:32:24 PM
The man told police he was trying to dry fire, or fire the gun without a round in it. He said the gun was unloaded when he checked it earlier in the week and he didn't know who would have loaded it. Police found another loaded gun on the man's table and unloaded it, according to the report.
 
2013-01-26 06:33:35 PM

feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.


We agree - all guns are clearly very dangerous and should be regulated.
 
2013-01-26 06:34:51 PM

vartian: feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.

We agree - all guns are clearly very dangerous and should be regulated.


No, not all of the murders were with guns, 15 were, two were with knives and one guy was beaten to death. The common denominator is criminals. We need to better regulate criminals.
 
2013-01-26 06:36:15 PM

feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.


Not only that, but Obama is from Chicago, and he is a Negro, you know. Therefore idiots shooting themselves at gun shows are better than Negroes.
 
2013-01-26 06:39:35 PM
so he shot himself with a .25 that he owned and was either racking or dry firing?


So much wrong with this story
 
2013-01-26 06:54:13 PM
I think it's clear that the only guns that need to be regulated are those owned by Chicago thugs.
 
2013-01-26 07:11:41 PM

vartian: The man told police he was trying to dry fire, or fire the gun without a round in it. He said the gun was unloaded when he checked it earlier in the week and he didn't know who would have loaded it. Police found another loaded gun on the man's table and unloaded it, according to the report.


He's lucky he just shot himself and didn't kill anyone else. How do you leave something like "the gun was unloaded a week ago" to chance?

I'm not a gun person and even I know the basic rules of "the gun is ALWAYS loaded" and "don't point a gun at anything you're not willing to shoot/kill."
 
2013-01-26 07:15:52 PM
Clearly Obama, in concert with the indestructible shadow armies of the U.N., used their their time machine(s) to discredit this brilliant patriot by secretly loading this firearm of unimaginable destructive power and then unleashed their mind control rays to force him to act in an asstardedly irresponsible fashion all with the greater goal of forcing every American who cheered at the end of "Rocky IV" into indentured servitude making -- and then destroying -- Larry the Cable Guy memorabilia.

When will you sheeple finally see how simple it is?
 
2013-01-26 07:44:18 PM
Fark gun control, can we enforce using your brain control?
 
2013-01-26 07:49:54 PM

feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.


Chicago should enact some tough guns laws.  That'll stop the violence.
 
2013-01-26 07:56:45 PM
Can we just ban stupid people?

Now I understand this proposal won't be popular with everyone, so how about we just ban high-capacity assault stupidity.  Like, if you're really, really stupid and in a position where your stupidity could do a lot of damage, then you get taken away and melted down and fed to geese or something.

Granted, this proposal would change the makeup of Washington DC, the major media, all of Fox "news," and most of the NASCAR, MLB, and NFL fan base, and it would cut into the profits of the  Anheuser Busch brewing company, as well as decimating the two major political parties.  But in the end, wouldn't it be worth it?
 
2013-01-26 07:59:09 PM

fusillade762: The 54-year-old St. Charles resident told police he was showing off a .25 caliber pistol he thought was unloaded

Someone this stupid should not be allowed to handle guns, let alone sell them.


How hard is it to eject a clip, rack the slide and lock it back, and visually clear the chamber?
 
2013-01-26 07:59:44 PM
Yes. I just called a magazine a clip. I'm self-correcting myself. SORRY FARK SOCIETY OF PEDANTS.
 
2013-01-26 08:02:11 PM

BronyMedic: Yes. I just called a magazine a clip. I'm self-correcting myself. SORRY FARK SOCIETY OF PEDANTS.


Why do you hate freedom so much?
 
2013-01-26 08:05:30 PM
Why is the answer either arm everybody or disarm everybody? The problems causing gun violence runs much deeper than who has and who doesn't have a gun. It's education, opportunities, mental health, proper parenting, and yes, easy access to firearms. This isn't going to be solved any time soon, but as long as the debate is reduced to guns good v. guns bad it will never be solved.
 
2013-01-26 08:09:19 PM

bronyaur1: feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.

Not only that, but Obama is from Chicago, and he is a Negro, you know. Therefore idiots shooting themselves at gun shows are better than Negroes.


If you say so you racist.
 
2013-01-26 08:10:10 PM

jmadisonbiii: feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.

Chicago should enact some tough guns laws.  That'll stop the violence.


They should make the whole city a gun free zone.
 
2013-01-26 08:11:13 PM

BronyMedic: Yes. I just called a magazine a clip. I'm self-correcting myself. SORRY FARK SOCIETY OF PEDANTS.


Why don't you make a point rather than post so much? Quality is much more impressive than quantity.
 
2013-01-26 08:17:49 PM

jmadisonbiii: feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.

Chicago should enact some tough guns laws.  That'll stop the violence.


Apparently some have breached the wall and have begun to smuggle firearms in. They should really find and repair the damaged sections.
 
2013-01-26 08:18:09 PM

feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.


What a bunch of lightweights, right? I mean, you can take down 20 six-year-olds in maybe, what? 30 seconds? Don't even need to reload! Pause for a quick MAGAZINE change, and you can give everyone a quick double-tap to make sure they're not just pretending.

Chicago, you wimps. Can't do REAL patriotic rates-of-fire, can you?
 
2013-01-26 08:18:50 PM

Krymson Tyde: Why is the answer either arm everybody or disarm everybody? The problems causing gun violence runs much deeper than who has and who doesn't have a gun. It's education, opportunities, mental health, proper parenting, and yes, easy access to firearms. This isn't going to be solved any time soon, but as long as the debate is reduced to guns good v. guns bad it will never be solved.


But nuance is hard, so you have to either want everybody armed to the teeth, or want all guns seized from their owners by the government without regard to whether or not said guns were acquired lawfully or the mental stability of the owners. The "small arms for some, free mental health evaluation for others" position is forbidden.

This is America. You're only allowed to be at either extreme position in any debate, especially political debates.
 
2013-01-26 08:24:25 PM

feckingmorons: jmadisonbiii: feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.

Chicago should enact some tough guns laws.  That'll stop the violence.

They should make the whole city a gun free zone.


Yes, go with a law doesn't stop all crime so there should be no laws at all argument. That's a sure winner
 
2013-01-26 08:31:59 PM

feckingmorons: BronyMedic: Yes. I just called a magazine a clip. I'm self-correcting myself. SORRY FARK SOCIETY OF PEDANTS.

Why don't you make a point rather than post so much? Quality is much more impressive than quantity.


I did make a point. Guy has no right to be around a gun if he doesn't know how to clear one before handling it.
 
2013-01-26 08:33:36 PM
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DAMMIT CHEDDAR BOB
 
2013-01-26 08:37:31 PM
Always point the gun at yourself. The gun is never loaded, especially if the gun has been out of your sight for any amount of time.

There, I just fixed the issue of stupid people having weapons.
 
2013-01-26 08:38:31 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Always point the gun at yourself. The gun is never loaded, especially if the gun has been out of your sight for any amount of time.

There, I just fixed the issue of stupid people having weapons.


The head, Snarc! Tell them to aim it at the head. America NEEDs Organ Donors.
 
2013-01-26 08:42:00 PM
I worked IT at a couple gun stores for about a year and two customers were shot in that time. Most are careful, but some people are cocky with guns.
 
2013-01-26 08:42:38 PM

BronyMedic: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Always point the gun at yourself. The gun is never loaded, especially if the gun has been out of your sight for any amount of time.

There, I just fixed the issue of stupid people having weapons.

The head, Snarc! Tell them to aim it at the head. America NEEDs Organ Donors.


Bastard. You beat me to it by 30 seconds.

But seriously - the firing mechanism will be damaged if they dry-fire the gun without pressing the barrel against a firm surface, like the temple. Obama will take your gun away if you damage it by not pressing it against your skull when you check it.
 
2013-01-26 08:52:14 PM
If only he had had a gun, he could have defended himself from this attack
 
2013-01-26 08:55:34 PM

astro716: If only he had had a gun, he could have defended himself from this attack


Are gun shows gun free zones? Because I hear guns are attracted to that.
 
2013-01-26 08:56:54 PM

feckingmorons: BronyMedic: Yes. I just called a magazine a clip. I'm self-correcting myself. SORRY FARK SOCIETY OF PEDANTS.

Why don't you make a point rather than post so much? Quality is much more impressive than quantity.


You should take your own advice.
 
2013-01-26 08:57:21 PM

feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.


Of course. That's where Chicagoans arm themselves before they go back home.
 
2013-01-26 08:57:49 PM
If the only thing that protects from a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, what protects us from a dumbfark with a gun?
 
2013-01-26 08:58:46 PM
Someone in a country of 310,000,000 people had a stupid accident today? What are the chances of that?
 
2013-01-26 08:59:33 PM
This stuff likely has always happened.
 
2013-01-26 08:59:59 PM
It's amateur hour at gun shows. Like all the drunks out on New Year's Eve. Be careful out there!
 
2013-01-26 09:01:48 PM

FloydA: Can we just ban stupid people?

Now I understand this proposal won't be popular with everyone, so how about we just ban high-capacity assault stupidity.  Like, if you're really, really stupid and in a position where your stupidity could do a lot of damage, then you get taken away and melted down and fed to geese or something.

Granted, this proposal would change the makeup of Washington DC, the major media, all of Fox "news," and most of the NASCAR, MLB, and NFL fan base, and it would cut into the profits of the  Anheuser Busch brewing company, as well as decimating the two major political parties.  But in the end, wouldn't it be worth it?


Ouch, I enjoy MLB and the NFL. Howthehell did I just get lumped in with the rest of the high-capacity assault stupidity you speak of?
 
2013-01-26 09:02:29 PM
in other news, over 3 million people were born last week.


/stay distracted.
 
2013-01-26 09:03:24 PM
Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?
 
2013-01-26 09:03:31 PM

FloydA: Granted, this proposal would change the makeup of Washington DC, the major media, all of Fox "news," and most of the NASCAR, MLB, and NFL fan base, and it would cut into the profits of the  Anheuser Busch brewing company, as well as decimating the two major political parties.  But in the end, wouldn't it be worth it?


I don't think most of the people at Fox are stupid, I just think they're unscrupulous whores pandering to retards.
 
2013-01-26 09:04:48 PM
I love this video. People running in a panic from what they adore.
Link
 
2013-01-26 09:07:46 PM

generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?


It's like a NY vs. Chicago-style pizza thread.
 
2013-01-26 09:09:11 PM
Obama puts on his white face, sneaks into gun shows and loads the teatards weapons for them.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-26 09:09:20 PM
Altair 2013-01-26 08:42:00 PM
I worked IT at a couple gun stores for about a year and two customers were shot in that time. Most are careful, but some people are cockystupid with guns.


I'm a gun owner, hunt, shoot a lot, been around guns all my life. I'm glad my dad taught me the basics at a young age and enforced them as we got older. I've been in a few gun stores since the buying panic has started and have been appalled at the morons that are in there buying. I wish that gun safety and hadling classes were mandatory for everyone in this country, not just owners and buyers. It should be treated like home economics in school, it's just a basic fact of life that you may be around a gun someday and you should know how to handle one safely without being frightened of it. And I shouldn't have to be worried about the knucklehead at the gun show that wants to sweep the crowd with the pistol he's looking at.
 
2013-01-26 09:09:38 PM
How the hell does one fire a pistol into their own palm when firing it by sliding the action?

Was he holding it by wrapping his hand around the end of the barrel?

Dude is insanely stupid or lying.
 
2013-01-26 09:11:47 PM
A .25 round? Did it break the skin?

Seriously, those are the least powerful cartridges made. Shooting from a rifle makes them passable, but out of handguns they have about as much power as a subsonic .22LR round.
 
2013-01-26 09:12:09 PM

Apos: THE GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED


People who can't understand this shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun.
 
2013-01-26 09:12:41 PM

generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?


i45.tinypic.com

lol another pointless gun thread
 
2013-01-26 09:12:49 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: How the hell does one fire a pistol into their own palm when firing it by sliding the action?

Was he holding it by wrapping his hand around the end of the barrel?

Dude is insanely stupid or lying.


or lying to hide the fact he's stupid.
 
2013-01-26 09:13:19 PM
Correction: Least powerful centerfire cartridges made.
 
2013-01-26 09:15:26 PM

Altitude5280: I love this video. People running in a panic from what they adore.
Link


I'm waiting for one of these people to discharge their "empty" gun into their own foot, and for 35 people to spin around and light him up, and probably each other. With everyone with their itchy trigger fingers lately, a tragedy like that wouldn't surprise me at all. Much like if there had been 5 people with concealed carry weapons in the Aurora CO theater shooting. They wouldn't all know who to shoot, they'd just each see 5 other people with guns drawn, or "five targets".
 
2013-01-26 09:15:36 PM
Wow! Sounds serious.

Hey, I wonder how many people died from alcohol today?
 
2013-01-26 09:16:18 PM

feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.


After comparing the population of Chicago to the population of a gun show, I think I'll take my odds in Chicago.

/plus it's exponentially more entertaining
 
2013-01-26 09:16:36 PM
Is this the place where I suggest some people don't like guns because the guns are black?

/ why are you gunsist?

// proud owner of black and stainless guns
 
2013-01-26 09:17:31 PM
Yeah it's almost like a bunch of gun noobs were created by the push to start banning guns. How's that gun control working out for ya?
 
2013-01-26 09:18:42 PM

serpent_sky: vartian: The man told police he was trying to dry fire, or fire the gun without a round in it. He said the gun was unloaded when he checked it earlier in the week and he didn't know who would have loaded it. Police found another loaded gun on the man's table and unloaded it, according to the report.

He's lucky he just shot himself and didn't kill anyone else. How do you leave something like "the gun was unloaded a week ago" to chance?

I'm not a gun person and even I know the basic rules of "the gun is ALWAYS loaded" and "don't point a gun at anything you're not willing to shoot/kill."


Yep, but people are lazy.

-People don't wear seatbelts because they're just "Heading down to the store real quick."
-People don't wear helmets because "I'm just going to be out for a bit and it will mess up my hair."
-They cross in the middle of the road because "The cross walk is 50 yards away and I don't want to walk that far."
-They speed through a school zone because "Ugh, 20mph is too slow!"
-They pass school buses that are in the middle of loading/unloading students because "Damnit, not *again*, I'm sick of waiting behind this thing!"
-They drive way too fast on snowy roads because "I've got somewhere I need to be in normal driving time and can't be bothered to wake up 15 min earlier."


No one should be terribly shocked when someone with a gun does the same thing. I'm not saying they shouldn't berated for it, they should, repeatedly. But it's not worse than a lot of other stuff that gets caused by laziness either. And that's worth keeping in mind before you light the torches and get out the pitchforks.

/people are lazy
//this can make them do very stupid things.
///circle of life..and all that.
 
2013-01-26 09:18:44 PM

BronyMedic: How hard is it to eject a clip, rack the slide and lock it back, and visually clear the chamber?


On some .25s, what you describe there will get the same results the dealer got.

...Some .25s have overly long firing pins, and the protruding firing pin is used in place of a separate ejector. So, cycling the slide with a live round is likely to set off the round.

That's why it's important to not just know the basic safety rules, but know the specifics of the particular firearm
 
2013-01-26 09:19:00 PM

NewportBarGuy: generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?

It's like a NY vs. Chicago-style pizza thread.


NY obviously.
 
2013-01-26 09:19:01 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Someone in a country of 310,000,000 people had a stupid accident today?

I didn't. I don't have any guns. Coincidence? I wonder...
 
2013-01-26 09:19:23 PM
Meanwhile, in Alabama...
 
2013-01-26 09:19:51 PM
No charges were filed against the man. The gun was taken as evidence.

evidence of what exactly? Stupidity?
 
2013-01-26 09:19:54 PM

xrayspx: Altitude5280: I love this video. People running in a panic from what they adore.
Link

I'm waiting for one of these people to discharge their "empty" gun into their own foot, and for 35 people to spin around and light him up, and probably each other. With everyone with their itchy trigger fingers lately, a tragedy like that wouldn't surprise me at all. Much like if there had been 5 people with concealed carry weapons in the Aurora CO theater shooting. They wouldn't all know who to shoot, they'd just each see 5 other people with guns drawn, or "five targets".


Doesn't the fact that this didn't turn into a bloodbath, kind of throw that little theory of armed citizens making the situation worse, right out the window?
 
2013-01-26 09:21:14 PM
 
2013-01-26 09:21:30 PM

feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.


Well, no one died of a gunshot on Neptune either...
 
2013-01-26 09:22:52 PM

Brubold: Yeah it's almost like a bunch of gun noobs were created by the push to start banning guns. How's that gun control working out for ya?


"An Iowa gun dealer was hospitalized after he accidentally shot himself in the hand before a gun show Friday afternoon at the Iowa State Fairgrounds."

First sentence.
 
2013-01-26 09:24:08 PM

Dingleberry_Pie: Altair 2013-01-26 08:42:00 PM
I worked IT at a couple gun stores for about a year and two customers were shot in that time. Most are careful, but some people are cockystupid with guns.

I'm a gun owner, hunt, shoot a lot, been around guns all my life. I'm glad my dad taught me the basics at a young age and enforced them as we got older. I've been in a few gun stores since the buying panic has started and have been appalled at the morons that are in there buying. I wish that gun safety and hadling classes were mandatory for everyone in this country, not just owners and buyers. It should be treated like home economics in school, it's just a basic fact of life that you may be around a gun someday and you should know how to handle one safely without being frightened of it. And I shouldn't have to be worried about the knucklehead at the gun show that wants to sweep the crowd with the pistol he's looking at.


You know that Home Ec. isn't offered in most schools anymore right?

/but I agree, firearm training should be mandatory for everyone graduating high school.
 
2013-01-26 09:24:15 PM
Hahahahahaha, I'm going to point and laugh at the brave warrior saving Americans from the New World Order. As soon as he can find his ass with either hand.
 
2013-01-26 09:24:15 PM
In 15 years of going to gun shows I have never heard of this.

Then again with the amount of idiots with no clue what a gun is or does from recent shows I'd think it's not impossible.
 
2013-01-26 09:24:24 PM

Click Click D'oh: BronyMedic: How hard is it to eject a clip, rack the slide and lock it back, and visually clear the chamber?

On some .25s, what you describe there will get the same results the dealer got.

...Some .25s have overly long firing pins, and the protruding firing pin is used in place of a separate ejector. So, cycling the slide with a live round is likely to set off the round.

That's why it's important to not just know the basic safety rules, but know the specifics of the particular firearm


That sounds like a "bug" and not a "feature". With a major design flaw like that, how do you reliably unload the damn thing? Can't you still lock the slide back and leave the chamber exposed to look for/unload a chambered round?

/Honestly asking
//Will keep this in mind if I ever handle a .25
 
2013-01-26 09:25:28 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Meanwhile, in Alabama...


Riddle me this...

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'
 
2013-01-26 09:25:41 PM

lewismarktwo: generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?

[i45.tinypic.com image 500x324]
lol another pointless gun thread


... and the Tigers are playing... (drums hands on table) tonight!

/I'd buy that for a dollar.
 
2013-01-26 09:27:03 PM
I love that the survivalists and gun nuts are out spending their money. Without realizing it, they're helping Obama to improve the economy, and they're doing it because he used reverse-psychology on them.

It's so sweet.
 
2013-01-26 09:29:27 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: xrayspx: Altitude5280: I love this video. People running in a panic from what they adore.
Link

I'm waiting for one of these people to discharge their "empty" gun into their own foot, and for 35 people to spin around and light him up, and probably each other. With everyone with their itchy trigger fingers lately, a tragedy like that wouldn't surprise me at all. Much like if there had been 5 people with concealed carry weapons in the Aurora CO theater shooting. They wouldn't all know who to shoot, they'd just each see 5 other people with guns drawn, or "five targets".

Doesn't the fact that this didn't turn into a bloodbath, kind of throw that little theory of armed citizens making the situation worse, right out the window?


Not really. It's something I'm worried might happen, not something that I'm positive must happen. It could just as easily happen that someone tries to pull off a mass shooting, and 5 people pull out their concealed weapons and no one but the bad guy gets hurt. I just said I think it'd be terrible if innocent bystanders accidentally shoot other innocent bystanders. I'm glad that cool heads have so far prevailed, I hope that trend continues.
 
2013-01-26 09:30:55 PM

ZeroCorpse: I love that the survivalists and gun nuts are out spending their money. Without realizing it, they're helping Obama to improve the economy, and they're doing it because he used reverse-psychology on them.

It's so sweet.


Yeah, I don't think the 6 billion in annual revenue is going to put much of a dent in the economy.
 
2013-01-26 09:31:36 PM

feckingmorons: vartian: feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.

We agree - all guns are clearly very dangerous and should be regulated.

No, not all of the murders were with guns, 15 were, two were with knives and one guy was beaten to death. The common denominator is criminals. We need to better regulate criminals.


You're telling me that the parts of Chicago that are impoverished (West and South sides) are the parts with a crime problem?

i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-01-26 09:31:37 PM

hundreddollarman: lewismarktwo: generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?

[i45.tinypic.com image 500x324]
lol another pointless gun thread

... and the Tigers are playing... (drums hands on table) tonight!

/I'd buy that for a dollar.


Tastes like baby food.
/biatches leave
 
2013-01-26 09:31:47 PM
I've been to the IA State Fairgrounds gun show before, no doubt somebody got shot there.
 
2013-01-26 09:32:39 PM

lewismarktwo: hundreddollarman: lewismarktwo: generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?

[i45.tinypic.com image 500x324]
lol another pointless gun thread

... and the Tigers are playing... (drums hands on table) tonight!

/I'd buy that for a dollar.

Tastes like baby food.
/biatches leave


Dead or alive, you are coming with me
/I LIKE IT!
 
2013-01-26 09:32:41 PM
I've found people who are afraid of owning a gun are the same type of people who are afraid of heights. Basically they do not trust themselves not to have some momentary insanity and jump off the cliff or blow their brains out. A lot of people in here fall into that category and probably shouldn't buy a gun. Just don't assume everyone shares your fears.

islamicsunrays.com
 
2013-01-26 09:33:54 PM

feckingmorons: jmadisonbiii: feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.

Chicago should enact some tough guns laws.  That'll stop the violence.

They should make the whole city a gun free zone.


No, they should just allow people to carry a concealed weapon, look at the wonders that law has done with crime in places like St. Louis and Detroit (states which have CCW).

This argument is stupid.
 
2013-01-26 09:34:10 PM

PanicMan: NewportBarGuy: generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?

It's like a NY vs. Chicago-style pizza thread.

NY obviously.


California.
 
2013-01-26 09:34:26 PM
The gun don't care - it's always loaded.
 
2013-01-26 09:34:49 PM

iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Meanwhile, in Alabama...

Riddle me this...

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'


When I pass a school I don't think, "Look at all those straight-A students!" When I pass a church I'm not sure it's filled with kind, thoughtful, spiritual people When I merge onto the highway I'm not confident I'm surrounded by competent, attentive and alert drivers.

Going by the daily dipsh*t like this guy and the one aiming at his daughter in yesterday's thread and the derp in these threads I'm thinking gun owners rate about the same kind of assessment. At this point I think advocating increased gun regulation would be the minimum requirement for "responsible gun owner."
 
2013-01-26 09:35:18 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Brubold: Yeah it's almost like a bunch of gun noobs were created by the push to start banning guns. How's that gun control working out for ya?

"An Iowa gun dealer was hospitalized after he accidentally shot himself in the hand before a gun show Friday afternoon at the Iowa State Fairgrounds."

First sentence.


Well, that is embarassing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pf3ID3XQ6o
 
2013-01-26 09:35:48 PM

NewportBarGuy: generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?

It's like a NY vs. Chicago-style pizza thread.


I find those threads more entertaining.

Besides, everyone knows that Chicago-style is where it's at.
 
2013-01-26 09:36:31 PM
 
2013-01-26 09:38:02 PM

badhatharry: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Brubold: Yeah it's almost like a bunch of gun noobs were created by the push to start banning guns. How's that gun control working out for ya?

"An Iowa gun dealer was hospitalized after he accidentally shot himself in the hand before a gun show Friday afternoon at the Iowa State Fairgrounds."

First sentence.

Well, that is embarassing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pf3ID3XQ6o


So basically, trust no one?
 
2013-01-26 09:40:53 PM
 
2013-01-26 09:45:31 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: badhatharry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pf3ID3XQ6o

Police say a 30-year-old man was accidentally killed during a game of quick draw at an automotive shop in Boaz.

PAT GARRETT.
I kid you not.


Sadly a lot of stories like that out there. I remember hearing about this one a while back:

http://www.wdaz.com/event/article/id/15841/

Long story short: I guess the takeaway is that private gun owners are no more or no less responsible than law enforcement officials.
 
2013-01-26 09:49:11 PM

PanicMan: NewportBarGuy: generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?

It's like a NY vs. Chicago-style pizza thread.

NY obviously.


THAST NOT EVEN PIZZA IT SHOD BE CALD CHEEZ PIE
 
2013-01-26 09:49:34 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Meanwhile, in Alabama...

Riddle me this...

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'

When I pass a school I don't think, "Look at all those straight-A students!" When I pass a church I'm not sure it's filled with kind, thoughtful, spiritual people When I merge onto the highway I'm not confident I'm surrounded by competent, attentive and alert drivers.

Going by the daily dipsh*t like this guy and the one aiming at his daughter in yesterday's thread and the derp in these threads I'm thinking gun owners rate about the same kind of assessment. At this point I think advocating increased gun regulation would be the minimum requirement for "responsible gun owner."


I submit that statistical outliers exist in every group. Such statistical outliers skew the results of any graph/study.

I, also, submit that judgments rendered based on statistical outliers would be illogical.

I, also, submit that criticizing the intelligence or penis size of any debate opponent would be counter-productive.

My point?

There are roughly 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Roughly 240,000,000.

This is a story about 1. I would define that as a statistical outlier.
 
2013-01-26 09:52:03 PM
I don't think it's at all unreasonable to have at least the same level of regulation on firearms as there is on automobiles.

You have to register your car, it has to be insured ( against your ability to damage property and/or injure with it) , and you need a license to operate one. We all accept comprehensive, far-reaching safety regulation on cars without conflating it with a "government conspiracy" to take our cars away. People just need to start acting and speaking like bloody adults on this issue. It should be frigging easy.
 
2013-01-26 09:53:09 PM

PanicMan: NewportBarGuy: generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?

It's like a NY vs. Chicago-style pizza thread.

NY obviously.


YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!!

/not srs
 
2013-01-26 09:55:15 PM
A well-regulated gun show, being essential to the security of dumbasses everywhere...
 
2013-01-26 09:55:31 PM
I hear he was carrying the latest release of Call of Duty in his back pocket. These things are evil.
 
2013-01-26 09:55:54 PM

Mrtraveler01: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: badhatharry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pf3ID3XQ6o

Police say a 30-year-old man was accidentally killed during a game of quick draw at an automotive shop in Boaz.

PAT GARRETT.
I kid you not.

Sadly a lot of stories like that out there. I remember hearing about this one a while back:

http://www.wdaz.com/event/article/id/15841/

Long story short: I guess the takeaway is that private gun owners are no more or no less responsible than law enforcement officials.


You base that on three anecdotes that don't involve law enforcement officials?
 
2013-01-26 09:56:29 PM
Stupid people are attracted to flashy, loud thjings...we should encourage them to store and hold them toward themselves. As far as licensing and registering firearms, it's not the lawful citizens who kill people. The guns laws should include the death penalty for committing a crime with a gun. Just having a gun in the commission of a crime, let's get the gun-toting criminals out of our world.

/I know I ain't gonna be heard in all the shouting, but It's about time to separate criminals from the guns they love.
//Gun owner (hunting, etc)
///No, not registered, not gonna be, either
///ever see "Red Dawn"? It could happen...
 
2013-01-26 09:57:54 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

Clearly we must ban Chicago.
 
2013-01-26 09:58:30 PM

iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Meanwhile, in Alabama...

Riddle me this...

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'

When I pass a school I don't think, "Look at all those straight-A students!" When I pass a church I'm not sure it's filled with kind, thoughtful, spiritual people When I merge onto the highway I'm not confident I'm surrounded by competent, attentive and alert drivers.

Going by the daily dipsh*t like this guy and the one aiming at his daughter in yesterday's thread and the derp in these threads I'm thinking gun owners rate about the same kind of assessment. At this point I think advocating increased gun regulation would be the minimum requirement for "responsible gun owner."

I submit that statistical outliers exist in every group. Such statistical outliers skew the results of any graph/study.

I, also, submit that judgments rendered based on statistical outliers would be illogical.

I, also, submit that criticizing the intelligence or penis size of any debate opponent would be counter-productive.

My point?

There are roughly 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Roughly 240,000,000.

This is a story about 1. I would define that as a statistical outlier.


And based on that logic, since nearly every story is about one gun, they are all statistical outliers.

Hey! You just cured cancer!
 
2013-01-26 10:02:50 PM
Firearm Safety Rules

1. Always treat a gun as if it were loaded.
2. See rule #1
3. Go back and read rule #1, did you read it yet!?!?!
 
2013-01-26 10:02:59 PM

Saturn5: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x225]

Clearly we must ban Chicago.


NYC also have tough gun laws and crime is plummeting there.

http://www.npr.org/2013/01/24/170155191/new-york-murder-rate-plummet s- but-who-should-get-the-credit

It's almost as if the crime problems in Chicago are more complicated to solve than just gun bans or adding more guns on the street with CCW permits.

/Gets tired of the Chicago bashing
 
2013-01-26 10:06:20 PM
You guys treat each other like enemies on a battlefield, not citizens in the same society who disagree about a course of action on policy.

Maybe that's part of why so many people think that they need guns, and why so many think that they're too dangerous to have around.
 
2013-01-26 10:06:36 PM

Meetak: I don't think it's at all unreasonable to have at least the same level of regulation on firearms as there is on automobiles.

You have to register your car, it has to be insured ( against your ability to damage property and/or injure with it) , and you need a license to operate one. We all accept comprehensive, far-reaching safety regulation on cars without conflating it with a "government conspiracy" to take our cars away. People just need to start acting and speaking like bloody adults on this issue. It should be frigging easy.


You don't need a license to operate a car on private property, and there are plenty of non-conspiracy arguments to be made for not requiring insurance. Additionally, you can insure yourself. The reason we don't see auto registration and licensing as a conspiracy to eliminate all cars is because there are almost no activists out there who want to eliminate the automobile. In contrast, there are plenty of regressives who do want to eliminate all non-military and non-police firearm ownership. Why not outlaw 3rd trimester abortions? They are rare anyway and it would be a good compromise, right? Here's why. Because there are regressives out there that want to outlaw all abortion and would merely use it as a stepping stone to completely eliminating the rights of others. You never negotiate your rights with assholes who do not respect your rights.
 
2013-01-26 10:08:49 PM

generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?


I have to assume someone who profits from the advertising on this site
 
2013-01-26 10:11:17 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrtraveler01: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: badhatharry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pf3ID3XQ6o

Police say a 30-year-old man was accidentally killed during a game of quick draw at an automotive shop in Boaz.

PAT GARRETT.
I kid you not.

Sadly a lot of stories like that out there. I remember hearing about this one a while back:

http://www.wdaz.com/event/article/id/15841/

Long story short: I guess the takeaway is that private gun owners are no more or no less responsible than law enforcement officials.

You base that on three anecdotes that don't involve law enforcement officials?


one anecdote is enough
 
2013-01-26 10:15:19 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Meanwhile, in Alabama...

Riddle me this...

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'

When I pass a school I don't think, "Look at all those straight-A students!" When I pass a church I'm not sure it's filled with kind, thoughtful, spiritual people When I merge onto the highway I'm not confident I'm surrounded by competent, attentive and alert drivers.

Going by the daily dipsh*t like this guy and the one aiming at his daughter in yesterday's thread and the derp in these threads I'm thinking gun owners rate about the same kind of assessment. At this point I think advocating increased gun regulation would be the minimum requirement for "responsible gun owner."

I submit that statistical outliers exist in every group. Such statistical outliers skew the results of any graph/study.

I, also, submit that judgments rendered based on statistical outliers would be illogical.

I, also, submit that criticizing the intelligence or penis size of any debate opponent would be counter-productive.

My point?

There are roughly 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Roughly 240,000,000.

This is a story about 1. I would define that as a statistical outlier.

And based on that logic, since nearly every story is about one gun, they are all statistical outliers.

Hey! You just cured cancer!


Hurray for me!

I'll follow the logic to bigger numbers.

There were roughly 20,000 some homicides last year. Let us assume, for now, that each incident was perpetrated by 1 gun. 20,000 guns out of 240,000,000. Even then, it's a very small percentage.

I submit that homicide (using a gun) IS a statistical outlier.
 
2013-01-26 10:16:53 PM
cuzsis
You know that Home Ec. isn't offered in most schools anymore right?

Yeah, and that's unfortunate. A legion of kids that don't know how to run a household because thier parents were too busy (or don't know themselves) and the schools decided it was easier to show a movie in that time slot. But you knew what I was talking about...
 
2013-01-26 10:18:28 PM

iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Meanwhile, in Alabama...

Riddle me this...

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'

When I pass a school I don't think, "Look at all those straight-A students!" When I pass a church I'm not sure it's filled with kind, thoughtful, spiritual people When I merge onto the highway I'm not confident I'm surrounded by competent, attentive and alert drivers.

Going by the daily dipsh*t like this guy and the one aiming at his daughter in yesterday's thread and the derp in these threads I'm thinking gun owners rate about the same kind of assessment. At this point I think advocating increased gun regulation would be the minimum requirement for "responsible gun owner."

I submit that statistical outliers exist in every group. Such statistical outliers skew the results of any graph/study.

I, also, submit that judgments rendered based on statistical outliers would be illogical.

I, also, submit that criticizing the intelligence or penis size of any debate opponent would be counter-productive.

My point?

There are roughly 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Roughly 240,000,000.

This is a story about 1. I would define that as a statistical outlier.

And based on that logic, since nearly every story is about one gun, they are all statistical outliers.

Hey! You just cured cancer!

Hurray for me!

I'll follow the logic to bigger numbers.

There were roughly 20,000 some homicides last year. Let us assume, for now, that each incident was perpetrated by 1 gun. 20,000 guns out of 240,000,000. Even then, it's a very small percentage.

I submit that homicide (using a gun) IS a statistical outlier.


Great. I can get rid of my shotgun.
 
2013-01-26 10:18:36 PM

fusillade762: The 54-year-old St. Charles resident told police he was showing off a .25 caliber pistol he thought was unloaded

Someone this stupid should not be allowed to handle guns, let alone sell them.


I don't know about you but personally I believe that the average person is an idiot, or at least that idiots comprise a significantly large portion of the population. Therein lies the rub, or something.
 
2013-01-26 10:21:09 PM

Krymson Tyde: Why is the answer either arm everybody or disarm everybody? The problems causing gun violence runs much deeper than who has and who doesn't have a gun. It's education, opportunities, mental health, proper parenting, and yes, easy access to firearms. This isn't going to be solved any time soon, but as long as the debate is reduced to guns good v. guns bad it will never be solved.


Partly because many of those issues are effectively impossible to solve. We do not have the money or the gumption. We can't even agree to provide universal healthcare through taxation. Education? Ha!
 
2013-01-26 10:22:36 PM

generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?


C'mon. It's always amusing when gun owners claim to be "responsible".
 
2013-01-26 10:23:22 PM

anfrind: PanicMan: NewportBarGuy: generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?

It's like a NY vs. Chicago-style pizza thread.

NY obviously.

California.


ERRORR ERROR DOE S NOT COMPuTE ShUTTIng DowN
 
2013-01-26 10:24:12 PM

Strobeguy: Firearm Safety Rules

1. Always treat a gun as if it were loaded.
2. See rule #1
3. Go back and read rule #1, did you read it yet!?!?!


What makes you thing they did not check!!?


got a local gun show going on here this weekend .......more of the same (maybe)
 
2013-01-26 10:25:24 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Meanwhile, in Alabama...

Riddle me this...

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'

When I pass a school I don't think, "Look at all those straight-A students!" When I pass a church I'm not sure it's filled with kind, thoughtful, spiritual people When I merge onto the highway I'm not confident I'm surrounded by competent, attentive and alert drivers.

Going by the daily dipsh*t like this guy and the one aiming at his daughter in yesterday's thread and the derp in these threads I'm thinking gun owners rate about the same kind of assessment. At this point I think advocating increased gun regulation would be the minimum requirement for "responsible gun owner."

I submit that statistical outliers exist in every group. Such statistical outliers skew the results of any graph/study.

I, also, submit that judgments rendered based on statistical outliers would be illogical.

I, also, submit that criticizing the intelligence or penis size of any debate opponent would be counter-productive.

My point?

There are roughly 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Roughly 240,000,000.

This is a story about 1. I would define that as a statistical outlier.

And based on that logic, since nearly every story is about one gun, they are all statistical outliers.

Hey! You just cured cancer!

Hurray for me!

I'll follow the logic to bigger numbers.

There were roughly 20,000 some homicides last year. Let us assume, for now, that each incident was perpetrated by 1 gun. 20,000 guns out of 240,000,000. Even then, it's a very small percentage.

I submit that homicide (using a gun) IS a statistical outlier.

Great. I can get rid of my shotgun.


Oh? What kind of shotgun do you have?

You had better sell it soon; or you'll have to pay someone with an FFL to transfer it for you.

/ who knows how much that may cost
 
2013-01-26 10:26:03 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: How the hell does one fire a pistol into their own palm when firing it by sliding the action?

Was he holding it by wrapping his hand around the end of the barrel?

Dude is insanely stupid or lying.


I blame those idiotic Steven Seagal movies where he racks the slide on his 9mm by pushing on the front sight. Might look cool in a nonchalant kind of way, but it's about the most unsafe way to load a round/check the chamber ever thought of.

CSB: used to work with a guy who liked to drink and play with his .45 1911 in front of the bathroom mirror. He didn't show up for work a couple of days and when he did make it back his whole left arm was in a cast. Turns out he was doing a "Seagal move" and ended up shooting himself in the palm.

/came out just before the elbow
//cops took his gun away
 
2013-01-26 10:27:39 PM

Mrtraveler01: So basically, trust no one?


The truth is out there.
 
2013-01-26 10:29:10 PM

amquelbettamin: I've found people who are afraid of owning a gun are the same type of people who are afraid of heights.


Wait a minute... that's what you think this debate is about?

I don't know anyone who is afraid of owning a gun. I can name quite a few people who are concerned about guns in the hands of the untrained or criminally irresponsible, and it seems like a reasonable position.
 
2013-01-26 10:29:51 PM

iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Meanwhile, in Alabama...

Riddle me this...

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'

When I pass a school I don't think, "Look at all those straight-A students!" When I pass a church I'm not sure it's filled with kind, thoughtful, spiritual people When I merge onto the highway I'm not confident I'm surrounded by competent, attentive and alert drivers.

Going by the daily dipsh*t like this guy and the one aiming at his daughter in yesterday's thread and the derp in these threads I'm thinking gun owners rate about the same kind of assessment. At this point I think advocating increased gun regulation would be the minimum requirement for "responsible gun owner."

I submit that statistical outliers exist in every group. Such statistical outliers skew the results of any graph/study.

I, also, submit that judgments rendered based on statistical outliers would be illogical.

I, also, submit that criticizing the intelligence or penis size of any debate opponent would be counter-productive.

My point?

There are roughly 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Roughly 240,000,000.

This is a story about 1. I would define that as a statistical outlier.

And based on that logic, since nearly every story is about one gun, they are all statistical outliers.

Hey! You just cured cancer!

Hurray for me!

I'll follow the logic to bigger numbers.

There were roughly 20,000 some homicides last year. Let us assume, for now, that each incident was perpetrated by 1 gun. 20,000 guns out of 240,000,000. Even then, it's a very small percentage.

I submit that homicide (using a gun) IS a statistical outlier.

Great. I can get rid of my shotgun.

Oh? What kind of shotgun do you have?

You had better sell it soon; or you'll have to ...


No guns of any kind. Abandoning your "gun violence is irrelevant" argument?
 
2013-01-26 10:30:00 PM
I told you it was loaded.

It is always loaded.
 
2013-01-26 10:33:36 PM
Did you hear the one about how they are just coming for the Ars and Aks.
Give 'em up and all will be well. Har har har!
You get to keep your shotguns. Hardy har har!

/until next time
//or maybe the handguns, we'll get back to you
 
2013-01-26 10:34:53 PM

Mrtraveler01: It's almost as if the crime problems in Chicago are more complicated to solve than just gun bans or adding more guns on the street with CCW permits.

/Gets tired of the Chicago bashing


What, you mean there might be something to the amount of crime OTHER than the number of guns? Well, that's just right wing nutter talk, there.
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-01-26 10:36:04 PM

Saturn5: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x225]

Clearly we must ban Chicago.


And those are just the ones that get reported.
 
2013-01-26 10:42:59 PM
Nina_Hartley's_Ass
iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Meanwhile, in Alabama...

Riddle me this...

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'

When I pass a school I don't think, "Look at all those straight-A students!" When I pass a church I'm not sure it's filled with kind, thoughtful, spiritual people When I merge onto the highway I'm not confident I'm surrounded by competent, attentive and alert drivers.

Going by the daily dipsh*t like this guy and the one aiming at his daughter in yesterday's thread and the derp in these threads I'm thinking gun owners rate about the same kind of assessment. At this point I think advocating increased gun regulation would be the minimum requirement for "responsible gun owner."

I submit that statistical outliers exist in every group. Such statistical outliers skew the results of any graph/study.

I, also, submit that judgments rendered based on statistical outliers would be illogical.

I, also, submit that criticizing the intelligence or penis size of any debate opponent would be counter-productive.

My point?

There are roughly 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Roughly 240,000,000.

This is a story about 1. I would define that as a statistical outlier.

And based on that logic, since nearly every story is about one gun, they are all statistical outliers.

Hey! You just cured cancer!

Hurray for me!

I'll follow the logic to bigger numbers.

There were roughly 20,000 some homicides last year. Let us assume, for now, that each incident was perpetrated by 1 gun. 20,000 guns out of 240,000,000. Even then, it's a very small percentage.

I submit that homicide (using a gun) IS a statistical outlier.

Great. I can get rid of my shotgun.

Oh? What kind of shotgun do you have?

You had better sell it soon; or you'll have to ...

No guns of any kind. Abandoning your "gun violence is irrelevant" argument?


Am I quoting like a winner properly?
 
2013-01-26 10:43:49 PM

Saturn5: What, you mean there might be something to the amount of crime OTHER than the number of guns?


Are you denying that access to guns is a factor?
 
2013-01-26 10:44:49 PM

iheartscotch: You had better sell it soon; or you'll have to pay someone with an FFL to transfer it for you.

/ who knows how much that may cost


About $25. Depends on the shop
 
2013-01-26 10:45:23 PM

iheartscotch:

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'


Whether it's guns or cats, people who hoard/collect anything obsessively strike me as a little "off." Seriously, some old lady has five cats and she's "that crazy old cat lady." Some old dude has 57 guns and he's "that patriot who's preparing to defend himself against the forces of government tyranny." Nope, nothing odd about that, no sir.
 
2013-01-26 10:47:10 PM
Hickory-smoked
Are you denying that access to guns is a factor?

Are you denying that cultural factors are a more weighty one?

There are lots of guns in Switzerland: every military-age male is required to maintain a fully automatic assault rifle in their home, along with an ammunition stockpile. Yet there's almost no gun crime or instances of mass shootings there.

Doesn't that tell us that access to firearms isn't actually the root of the problem, and that trying to limit or ban certain classes of firearms is treating the symptom and not the cause?
 
2013-01-26 10:51:15 PM

mrexcess: There are lots of guns in Switzerland: every military-age male is required to maintain a fully automatic assault rifle in their home, along with an ammunition stockpile. Yet there's almost no gun crime or instances of mass shootings there.


Compulsory military service will do that I suppose.
 
2013-01-26 10:53:37 PM
Mrtraveler01
Compulsory military service will do that I suppose.

Compulsory military service makes a society non-violent? That's a pretty bold assertion, do you have equally bold evidence to support it?
 
2013-01-26 10:55:29 PM
Why don't we hear about it every time some guy hits his thumb with a hammer?

/come on, someone had to do a hammer joke.
//even if its a terrible one.
 
2013-01-26 10:56:58 PM
Dayum, late to the party again, fer shame.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-26 11:02:30 PM
these people need guns to protect themselves from themselves shooting themselves.
 
2013-01-26 11:04:33 PM

litespeed74: these people need guns to protect themselves from themselves shooting themselves.


This would never have happened if his other hand was holding a gun.
 
2013-01-26 11:06:04 PM
 
2013-01-26 11:09:19 PM
Gun "enthusiasts", "collectors" and anyone who would go to a gun "show" are mentally ill. Lock them up, and take away their toys.
 
2013-01-26 11:09:52 PM
i.imgur.com
cancer and drowning kill a lot of folks every year too.
sadly, not enough of them are guntards.
 
2013-01-26 11:14:13 PM
duckpoopy: Why, when America is fast becoming a psych ward where everyone has to be straight-jacketed and given safety scissors because we're all so angry, violent, and uncaring that any and every tool in our hands quickly becomes a means to abuse others?

/guns arent the problem
//a society where respect and kindness have almost completely died out is
 
2013-01-26 11:14:47 PM

Apos: THE GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED


The why do you need high-capacity magazines? :-)
 
2013-01-26 11:14:59 PM
i451.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-26 11:18:18 PM

BronyMedic: fusillade762: The 54-year-old St. Charles resident told police he was showing off a .25 caliber pistol he thought was unloaded

Someone this stupid should not be allowed to handle guns, let alone sell them.

How hard is it to eject a clip, rack the slide and lock it back, and visually clear the chamber?


Difficulty:  without putting your hand over the muzzle.
 
2013-01-26 11:19:35 PM

eddievercetti: Fark gun control, can we enforce using your brain control?


speaking of which, do they sell beer at gun shows?
 
2013-01-26 11:19:40 PM

cygnusx13: If the only thing that protects from a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, what protects us from a dumbfark with a gun?


A Genius with an iPad, of course.
 
2013-01-26 11:20:40 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Clearly Obama, in concert with the indestructible shadow armies of the U.N., used their their time machine(s) to discredit this brilliant patriot by secretly loading this firearm of unimaginable destructive power and then unleashed their mind control rays to force him to act in an asstardedly irresponsible fashion all with the greater goal of forcing every American who cheered at the end of "Rocky IV" into indentured servitude making -- and then destroying -- Larry the Cable Guy memorabilia.

When will you sheeple finally see how simple it is?



What makes you think we are not all in on it?
 
2013-01-26 11:25:50 PM

amquelbettamin: I've found people who are afraid of owning a gun are the same type of people who are afraid of heights.


Afraid of owning a gun-- What kind of bullshiat is that? It's like saying that I'm afraid of owning a big-screen TV.

It's a product just like any other. It's only you gun nuts that attach some mystical significance to owning a gun.
 
2013-01-26 11:26:33 PM

amquelbettamin: I've found people who are afraid of owning a gun are the same type of people who are afraid of heights. Basically they do not trust themselves not to have some momentary insanity and jump off the cliff or blow their brains out. A lot of people in here fall into that category and probably shouldn't buy a gun. Just don't assume everyone shares your fears.

[islamicsunrays.com image 300x450]


I've found that people who make ASSumptions about people who are in favor of stricter gun controls are the same type of people who are stupid enough to shoot themselves accidentally with their own guns.

/just sayin'
//I'm not "afraid" of owning a gun, nor am I saying that absolutely nobody should own one. I AM in favor of tightening the restrictions on gun ownership, however. If that happens to exclude you because you are: A) insane, B) irresponsible or C) too farking stupid to be allowed to own one, then too goddamned bad. Live with it.
 
2013-01-26 11:26:45 PM

Haliburton Cummings: [i.imgur.com image 488x402]
cancer and drowning kill a lot of folks every year too.
sadly, not enough of them are guntards.


Why does the leftist wank squad insist on posting the same pics in every thread? Are you getting paid for the posts?
 
2013-01-26 11:29:38 PM
Smgth
God bless the SHIAT out the hero surreptitiously loading guns at gun shows!

No wonder our nation's credit rating is falling like a stone. Would you really invest in a society that regularly did shiat like this to itself?

/the inescapable conclusion about a society that cannot handle firearms is that it cannot handle nuclear weapons
 
2013-01-26 11:30:17 PM
More and more, the government is creating these scenarios to turn public opinion against guns, gun ownership, and gun owners. Since the school shooting, it's really kicked into high gear. The goal is to get enough people riled up about the dangers of guns that passing stronger gun control laws becomes a cakewalk.

Judging by a lot of the responses in this thread, it's working.
 
2013-01-26 11:42:44 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: More and more, the government is creating these scenarios to turn public opinion against guns, gun ownership, and gun owners


Yes, people accidentally shooting themselves is all part of a sinister government plot.

I hear more rational people on Coast to Coast AM.
 
2013-01-26 11:43:08 PM
Smgth
Anyone who doesn't check if a gun is loaded when it's picked up should be removed from the gene pool post haste.

Anyone who uses the euphemistic term "remove from the gene pool" is probably sociopathic and utterly devoid of compassion, who labors under the delusion that mistakes are something that other people make. What you're really doing is saying that people deserve to be killed for making mistakes. Society is here to prevent that from happening as much as possible - to soften the blows inflicted by nature, not to stand by and chortle at nature's victims, ballyhooing its casual cruelty.

Yes, guns should always be assumed to be loaded. They should always be checked before handing over to another person, and again by the person who they're handed to, and re-checked before dry-firing. With that said, wishing death on humans because they make mistakes or forget things is sick. Wishing death on humans in order to advance your political agenda is evil.
 
2013-01-26 11:43:26 PM

born_yesterday:
That sounds like a "bug" and not a "feature". With a major design flaw like that, how do you reliably unload the damn thing? Can't you still lock the slide back and leave the chamber exposed to look for/unload a chambered round?

/Honestly asking
//Will keep this in mind if I ever handle a .25


Flipping barrel

www.ranchdogoutdoors.com
 
2013-01-26 11:49:04 PM

mrexcess: Hickory-smoked
Are you denying that access to guns is a factor?

Are you denying that cultural factors are a more weighty one?

There are lots of guns in Switzerland: every military-age male is required to maintain a fully automatic assault rifle in their home, along with an ammunition stockpile. Yet there's almost no gun crime or instances of mass shootings there.

Doesn't that tell us that access to firearms isn't actually the root of the problem, and that trying to limit or ban certain classes of firearms is treating the symptom and not the cause?


Guns are under much tighter restrictions in Switzerland than they are in the US, and gun ownership runs at about 1/2 the rate of that in the US, so no, that doesn't tell you shiat. But nice try.
 
2013-01-26 11:53:43 PM
I wonder how many lives were saved by guns this week? Oh, that's right, if I brandish a gun and tell the police, I become the criminal.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20130125/NEWS/130129826/1685#woman-may-h a ve-known-intruder-her-husband-shot-in-south-omaha
 
2013-01-26 11:56:44 PM

Hickory-smoked: Saturn5: What, you mean there might be something to the amount of crime OTHER than the number of guns?

Are you denying that access to guns is a factor?


Are you suggesting access to guns makes people homicidal?
 
2013-01-26 11:57:09 PM

feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.


And what makes that even worse is Chicago's favorite son, Obama, has recently made it very clear he does not approve of such activity yet these people are ignoring him. Forget that people are dying, it takes real brass balls to disobey Obama. But then, in the recent immortal words of the great and powerful Oz Hillary Clinton - "What difference does it make?"
 
2013-01-27 12:00:18 AM
Just how many gun show shootings happen regularly, anyways? Before the rampant over-exposure, that is...
 
2013-01-27 12:04:24 AM
RealFarknMcCoy2
Guns are under much tighter restrictions in Switzerland than they are in the US, and gun ownership runs at about 1/2 the rate of that in the US, so no, that doesn't tell you shiat. But nice try.

Do you have citations for those claims? For men between the ages of 20 and 30, their home must contain a fully automatic Sig SG 550 rifle. After their militia service has ended, these men are allowed the option of keeping their rifles for life. The result is that, according to Wikipedia, approximately 29% of Swiss homes contain firearms. That number in the US is 43%.

Switzerland has a lot of guns, including assault rifles. They have essentially no instances of mass shootings, and very little gun crime.

My point stands - firearms ownership is not the root problem, and restricting firearms ownership is treating only a symptom of the actual problem.

Smgth
My 'political agenda' is less stupid people.

Well then launch the nukes and end the species, because I have news for you: we're all stupid. Every last one of us. If you don't think that you're stupid, that's only because you're too stupid to realize that you are.

I'm not evil, simply amoral.

Well thanks for clearing that up.
 
2013-01-27 12:10:58 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: How the hell does one fire a pistol into their own palm when firing it by sliding the action?

Was he holding it by wrapping his hand around the end of the barrel?

Dude is insanely stupid or lying.


The slide of a little .25ACP pistol is probably no more than 3" long.  You take the off-hand off the gun, reach up top placing your forefinger and thumb just ahead of the ejection port, and your palm is likely to be dangling in front of the muzzle unless you're real careful.
 
2013-01-27 12:33:10 AM
Never did like those flip barrels. It's like an accident waiting to happen

/and it did happen
 
2013-01-27 12:33:36 AM

Mrtraveler01: AverageAmericanGuy: More and more, the government is creating these scenarios to turn public opinion against guns, gun ownership, and gun owners

Yes, people accidentally shooting themselves is all part of a sinister government plot.

I hear more rational people on Coast to Coast AM.


Believe what you want. But when you finally ask yourself why so much 'irresponsible gun owner' news is in the press suddenly, maybe you'll have enough curiosity to try to find an answer.
 
2013-01-27 12:34:59 AM

BronyMedic: feckingmorons: BronyMedic: Yes. I just called a magazine a clip. I'm self-correcting myself. SORRY FARK SOCIETY OF PEDANTS.

Why don't you make a point rather than post so much? Quality is much more impressive than quantity.

I did make a point. Guy has no right to be around a gun if he doesn't know how to clear one before handling it.


You've never had an accident? If you ever back into a fire hydrant should you never be able to drive again?

Yes, he does have a right to own a gun, it is the second one in the Bill of Rights. You don't lose it by accidentally shooting yourself in the hand. Sure, you're a dumbass when you accidentally shoot yourself, but it is not like committing a felony with a gun when you do forfeit your right. We know our fine highly trained police and federal agents never accidentally discharge a gun into his own foot right after he said he was the only one professional enough to carry a gun.

When your not a kid anymore your opinion will change. You just don't have enough life experience yet.
 
2013-01-27 12:36:27 AM

cygnusx13: If the only thing that protects from a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, what protects us from a dumbfark with a gun?


His hand. He shot himself in the hand, not anyone else.
 
2013-01-27 12:43:50 AM

MassAsster: No charges were filed against the man. The gun was taken as evidence.

evidence of what exactly? Stupidity?


I'd imagine they'll do a test fire to match the bullet to the gun just to make sure he actually shot himself.  The police probably have to write up a report for every gunshot wound they encounter.
 
2013-01-27 01:04:39 AM
Smgth
I agree, everyone is stupid; I'm down with a clean slate. Perhaps the dolphins can make a go of it.

Sigh.

As a species, we've created so much beauty. We've visited space. We're a few technological steps from achieving functional immortality, and eliminating resource scarcity.

The one and only thing that might prevent us is attitude like yours. Not our stupidity or ignorance or propensity to make mistakes, but our cruelty, our violence, our inhumanity towards and lack of care for one another.
 
2013-01-27 01:16:07 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: More and more, the government is creating these scenarios to turn public opinion against guns, gun ownership, and gun owners. Since the school shooting, it's really kicked into high gear. The goal is to get enough people riled up about the dangers of guns that passing stronger gun control laws becomes a cakewalk.

Judging by a lot of the responses in this thread, it's working.


F*ck me.

[rolls sanity check]
 
2013-01-27 01:27:01 AM
Five people were murdered in Chicago on Saturday. Too bad they didn't have a gun show, it would have been safer.
 
2013-01-27 01:27:49 AM
Kittypie070: So, uh.... hi. :)
 
2013-01-27 01:28:51 AM

Mrtraveler01: NewportBarGuy: generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?

It's like a NY vs. Chicago-style pizza thread.

I find those threads more entertaining.

Besides, everyone knows that Chicago-style is where it's at.


"hey you know what I could go for? Lasagna on a pita shell" -nobody ever
 
2013-01-27 01:37:33 AM

mrexcess: Kittypie070: So, uh.... hi. :)


Yeah howdy there. :3

I passed that sanity check, BTW.
 
2013-01-27 01:53:08 AM

Kittypie070: AverageAmericanGuy: More and more, the government is creating these scenarios to turn public opinion against guns, gun ownership, and gun owners. Since the school shooting, it's really kicked into high gear. The goal is to get enough people riled up about the dangers of guns that passing stronger gun control laws becomes a cakewalk.

Judging by a lot of the responses in this thread, it's working.

F*ck me.

[rolls sanity check]


The things he posts are to be taken with a grain of salt. He posted from both America and Japan one day and I gave up.
 
2013-01-27 01:54:29 AM
Smgth
Oh, boo hoo. You're making my point for me! We've achieved all these great things...and yet not one single minute goes by without some a$$hole brutally murdering someone else for no reason. Man's inhumanity to man is its DEFINING feature.

I'm kind of mystified, now. You're talking about murdering people being assholish, but you're cheering for the theoretical murderous sabotage act of secretly loading guns at gun shows, leading to people accidentally shooting each other. Apparently, what, that's OK because their murderous act is trying to accomplish an end with which you agree?

You think a post scarcity economy will eliminate religious warfare?!

More or less, yes. I think that all war and large scale conflict, when you get right down to it, is a matter of resource scarcity.

Religion had the capcity to make humans behave decently to each other but it's just a way for small minds to STAY small and guve reasons to kill the neighbors

Small minds stay small in the absence of religion, too. Science is not the antithetical medicine to religion.

Trust me, my attitude is the response, not the cause.

It's not cause, it's not response, it's just an example of the problem. Your lack of religion hasn't somehow made you a person who isn't cruel and small-minded, has it?

Kittypie070
Yeah howdy there. :3

I passed that sanity check, BTW.


Well I was hoping that someone who uses Fark, is frustrated by mans inhumanity to man, likes aminals, makes d20 jokes, and wears jeans really well wasn't going to be occupied with a trollish dude who says the government is planting ammo in guns at gun shows. So, uhh... wanna come over for D&D or GURPS night sometime? Or at least mind if I utilize that EI ur P tomorrow? :)
 
2013-01-27 01:57:11 AM

Kittypie070: Yeah howdy there. :3


i0.kym-cdn.com

/Can't resist.
 
2013-01-27 02:03:43 AM
Meh....
I'm okay with this.
 
2013-01-27 02:05:57 AM

mrexcess: RealFarknMcCoy2
Guns are under much tighter restrictions in Switzerland than they are in the US, and gun ownership runs at about 1/2 the rate of that in the US, so no, that doesn't tell you shiat. But nice try.

Do you have citations for those claims? For men between the ages of 20 and 30, their home must contain a fully automatic Sig SG 550 rifle. After their militia service has ended, these men are allowed the option of keeping their rifles for life. The result is that, according to Wikipedia, approximately 29% of Swiss homes contain firearms. That number in the US is 43%.

Switzerland has a lot of guns, including assault rifles. They have essentially no instances of mass shootings, and very little gun crime.

My point stands - firearms ownership is not the root problem, and restricting firearms ownership is treating only a symptom of the actual problem.



What's amusing to me is how you managed to quote from the Wikipedia page to "support" your argument (which you didn't - it's around 1/2 the rate of gun ownership of the US, per capita), but managed to conveniently IGNORE the information on the SAME wikipedia page which shoots your argument all to hell, to wit: the restrictions placed on gun ownership in Switzerland:

Basically, the sale of automatic firearms, selective fire weapons and certain accessories such as sound suppressors ("silencers") is forbidden (as is the sale of certain disabled automatic firearms which have been identified as easily restored to fully automatic capability). The purchase of such items is however legal with a special permit issued by cantonal police. The issuance of such a permit requires additional requirements to be met, e.g. the possession of a specific gun locker.

So, if you REALLY believed that Switzerland were so similar to the US in gun ownership rates, the substantial difference is the restrictions, such as those listed, above. Thereby supporting my point about restrictions on ownership and their contribution to keeping gun violence down.
 
2013-01-27 02:16:31 AM
Nobody in Chicago should be alound to carry a gun
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-27 02:33:19 AM
RealFarknMcCoy2
which you didn't - it's around 1/2 the rate of gun ownership of the US, per capita

29 is almost exactly 2/3rds of 43. And it's almost 1/3rd of 100, meaning that just about 1 in 3 Swiss households has a firearm. That's a very non-negligible number.

Basically, the sale of automatic firearms, selective fire weapons and certain accessories such as sound suppressors ("silencers") is forbidden

The same is basically true of automatic and select-fire firearms in the US. Suppressors require special federal permission to purchase.
 
2013-01-27 02:34:46 AM

badhatharry: It's amateur hour at gun shows. Like all the drunks out on New Year's Eve. Be careful out there!


This. Gun shows are packed right now, filled with idiots who think Feinstein's gun ban will even be able to clear the Senate and enterprising investors selling their Shrubmaster and other low-end ARs for $3,000 and up.
 
2013-01-27 02:41:30 AM
Smgth
If you believe war is all about scarcity, then you think a religious war is about the other side not have enough of your god? Germany didn't have enough dead Jews? The Crusaders didn't have enough dead Muslims?

I don't know anyone who believes that Germany viewed WW2 as a religious war - the whole persecution of Jews thing was really just a result of German Jews being scapegoated as outsiders who were responsible for destroying the German economy. And as for the Crusades, religion may have been the cover used to motivate the masses to war, but it's pretty much accepted by historians that the leaders who picked the fights were cynics using the veil of religion to acquire more territory and wealth.

You think Al Quaida wanted the resources of the WTC?

No, I think they were pissed off about our presence in Saudi Arabia. Ahem.

People are covetous by nature, this much is true, but even given more then they need, there will still be jealousy and envy leading to more inhumane acts.

I think the technological end of resource scarcity makes the existence of jealousy more or less anachronistic. If you can have whatever you want, right down to whatever experiences you want, without bothering anyone, the idea of being jealous of someone else just doesn't really work anymore.
 
2013-01-27 02:43:35 AM
*whine of a mewling kitten at Kittypie070's absence*
 
2013-01-27 03:26:29 AM
Smgth
Anyone can posit, after the fact, an alternate theory why a religious war wasn't solely based on religion.

It's not really an alternate theory. I don't know any historians who think that WW2 was primarily about religion, or who would argue that religious concerns were less genuine than pretext in the Crusades.

You didn't argue against rich people with excess resources stealing, despite the fact they clearly do. They exist in a post scarcity model.

No no, you've got that very wrong. It doesn't surprise me at all that wealthy people steal... wealthy people do not exist outside the scarcity model, in fact they're going to tend to be those with the strongest impulse towards greedy behavior!

An actual absence of scarcity would be an entirely different beast than we today operate under. Bribery and the buying of influence would be impossible, hoarding an instinct without purpose, and possession no longer a symbol of status. That's not the world today for even the wealthiest people.

This is SUPER fun by the way!

Exercise of thought is one of the purest and most rewarding pursuits. I'm disappointed with how casual you are towards human life, but I'm glad that you're enjoying the discussion and hopefully the chance to exchange and think about other perspectives!
 
2013-01-27 03:27:15 AM
less genuine

That should read "more genuine", rather....
 
2013-01-27 03:56:53 AM
Ooh la la, SIX! Who cares? Just because there is a news story theme or political issue doesn't make the usual daily happenings around the country any more interesting or important than they were a year ago. A plane crashes, all the stories focus on all the small planes crashing. A sinkhole shows up and every divot in the country gets reported on for weeks. A cat dials 911 and someone tries to claim their snail did so too.

If I assert that .01% of the population is stupid enough to "dry fire" a gun without properly checking it, that still leaves about 35,000 people stupid enough to do so.

It's a big country. Be thankful we're not China and relax.
 
2013-01-27 04:04:10 AM

Saturn5: Hickory-smoked: Saturn5: What, you mean there might be something to the amount of crime OTHER than the number of guns?

Are you denying that access to guns is a factor?

Are you suggesting access to guns makes people homicidal?


More like suggesting that giving homicidal people access to guns is a bad idea. I can only assume that you agree.

If that's the case, then the real question here is what government restrictions would be most effective in preventing irresponsible gun ownership. Right?
 
2013-01-27 04:22:44 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.

Well, no one died of a gunshot on Neptune either...


Or Uranus...
 
2013-01-27 05:16:42 AM

cuzsis: Dingleberry_Pie: Altair 2013-01-26 08:42:00 PM
I worked IT at a couple gun stores for about a year and two customers were shot in that time. Most are careful, but some people are cockystupid with guns.

I'm a gun owner, hunt, shoot a lot, been around guns all my life. I'm glad my dad taught me the basics at a young age and enforced them as we got older. I've been in a few gun stores since the buying panic has started and have been appalled at the morons that are in there buying. I wish that gun safety and hadling classes were mandatory for everyone in this country, not just owners and buyers. It should be treated like home economics in school, it's just a basic fact of life that you may be around a gun someday and you should know how to handle one safely without being frightened of it. And I shouldn't have to be worried about the knucklehead at the gun show that wants to sweep the crowd with the pistol he's looking at.

You know that Home Ec. isn't offered in most schools anymore right?

/but I agree, firearm training should be mandatory for everyone graduating high school.


Fark that
 
2013-01-27 05:36:16 AM

feckingmorons: cygnusx13: If the only thing that protects from a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, what protects us from a dumbfark with a gun?

His hand. He shot himself in the hand, not anyone else.


This time. And there are countless stories of other times where the dumbfark shot someone else.
 
2013-01-27 05:48:27 AM

amquelbettamin: I've found people who are afraid of owning a gun are the same type of people who are afraid of heights. Basically they do not trust themselves not to have some momentary insanity and jump off the cliff or blow their brains out. A lot of people in here fall into that category and probably shouldn't buy a gun. Just don't assume everyone shares your fears.


It is more like me standing on a cliff edge with a bunch of people, some of whom I know and trust, some strangers, some assholes who are farking around, couple of angry guys, some drunks, etc. I am not afraid I will throw myself off, I am afraid that one of the drunk guys will accidentally push me over, or the angry guy will think I looked at him funny and push me over.

Happy living in a society where assholes and drunks are not allowed to carry weapons.

Incidentally, I see your image is hotlinked from Islamic sunrays...
 
2013-01-27 07:01:31 AM
What's worse, letting these people own guns or vote?
What is more uncivilized?
 
2013-01-27 07:20:19 AM

Fark It: badhatharry: It's amateur hour at gun shows. Like all the drunks out on New Year's Eve. Be careful out there!

This. Gun shows are packed right now, filled with idiots who think Feinstein's gun ban will even be able to clear the Senate and enterprising investors selling their Shrubmaster and other low-end ARs for $3,000 and up.


Nothing more American than profiting off of people's stupidity.
 
2013-01-27 08:28:50 AM

feckingmorons: You've never had an accident? If you ever back into a fire hydrant should you never be able to drive again?


Sure. I've had accidents. I totaled a Grand Pre after being up for 62 hours. But there's a difference. I've never accidentally shot myself by not following basic safety measures with a loaded pistol. And I've shot plenty of pistol rounds.

feckingmorons: Yes, he does have a right to own a gun, it is the second one in the Bill of Rights. You don't lose it by accidentally shooting yourself in the hand. Sure, you're a dumbass when you accidentally shoot yourself, but it is not like committing a felony with a gun when you do forfeit your right. We know our fine highly trained police and federal agents never accidentally discharge a gun into his own foot right after he said he was the only one professional enough to carry a gun.


Of course, he has a right to own a gun. I don't think ANYONE is debating that, and it's a non sequitor in this case.

He has no business being around a weapon if he can't follow a basic safety measure taught to children.

feckingmorons: When your not a kid anymore your opinion will change. You just don't have enough life experience yet.


Appeal to Age? Really? When do I get old enough where it's okay to shoot yourself by doing something incredibly stupid and juvenile?
 
2013-01-27 09:57:38 AM
If only he had a good guy with a gun around him. I've heard recently that is the only protection from a bad guy with a gun.
 
2013-01-27 10:43:39 AM

born_yesterday: Click Click D'oh: BronyMedic: How hard is it to eject a clip, rack the slide and lock it back, and visually clear the chamber?

On some .25s, what you describe there will get the same results the dealer got.

...Some .25s have overly long firing pins, and the protruding firing pin is used in place of a separate ejector. So, cycling the slide with a live round is likely to set off the round.

That's why it's important to not just know the basic safety rules, but know the specifics of the particular firearm

That sounds like a "bug" and not a "feature". With a major design flaw like that, how do you reliably unload the damn thing? Can't you still lock the slide back and leave the chamber exposed to look for/unload a chambered round?

/Honestly asking
//Will keep this in mind if I ever handle a .25


The manual for my Raven .25 (hey, it was cheap, don't judge me) specifically states that it shouldn't be dry-fired. Not sure if that's related to this long-firing pin issue or not.
 
2013-01-27 11:25:21 AM

jbuist: Pray 4 Mojo: How the hell does one fire a pistol into their own palm when firing it by sliding the action?

Was he holding it by wrapping his hand around the end of the barrel?

Dude is insanely stupid or lying.

The slide of a little .25ACP pistol is probably no more than 3" long.  You take the off-hand off the gun, reach up top placing your forefinger and thumb just ahead of the ejection port, and your palm is likely to be dangling in front of the muzzle unless you're real careful.


It still will not discharge w/o trigger being fondled.
Toy guns deserve "special" handling if you cannot resist playing w/ them in first place.
Crappy tools give crappy results.
ALWAYS!
 
2013-01-27 11:28:02 AM

hinten: What's worse, letting these people own guns or vote?
What is more uncivilized?


The uncivilized dealeo is your attitude, Dude.
You are not in charge, never were, how did you ever get such an idea?
Oh, the Nanny.
 
2013-01-27 11:29:23 AM

Mrtraveler01: Fark It: badhatharry: It's amateur hour at gun shows. Like all the drunks out on New Year's Eve. Be careful out there!

This. Gun shows are packed right now, filled with idiots who think Feinstein's gun ban will even be able to clear the Senate and enterprising investors selling their Shrubmaster and other low-end ARs for $3,000 and up.

Nothing more American than profiting off of people's stupidity.


Stupidity and suffering, the two real profit centers in America.
 
2013-01-27 12:00:21 PM
TinyFist:

Ouch, I enjoy MLB and the NFL. Howthehell did I just get lumped in with the rest of the high-capacity assault stupidity you speak of?

Oh I enjoy them too, but that doesn't mean there aren't a lot of really stupid fans.  Regular fans enjoy watching their teams play, especially when they do well, but still support the team when they lose. High capacity assault stupidity is the people who do dangerously stupid things on the basis of their fandom.

Ask yourself if any of the following apply to you:
1) I have attended an outdoor game in a northern state in December and/or January, dressed only in body paint,
2) I have a tattoo of my favorite player and/or team logo on a visible body part
3) I trust/distrust people on the basis of their favorite teams
4) I have wished death or disease on players/coaches/fans of another team
5) I have spent more than two weeks' income on team paraphernalia (jerseys, decorations, stickers, posters, etc.) in a single day.
6) My daughter was born in January of 1994, just before the Superbowl, so I named her "Buffalo Bill"

If none of those apply, you're probably OK.
 
2013-01-27 12:56:32 PM
Evolution in Action™
 
2013-01-27 01:56:17 PM

Lsherm: MassAsster: No charges were filed against the man. The gun was taken as evidence.

evidence of what exactly? Stupidity?

I'd imagine they'll do a test fire to match the bullet to the gun just to make sure he actually shot himself.  The police probably have to write up a report for every gunshot wound they encounter.


Maybe they are taking prints to identify who loaded a weapon at a gun show, where generally all weapons are required to be unloaded and no ammo is allowed except for security personnel. Not that it's an excuse for the guy's negligence, but it seems awfully strange to me how many of these incidents have happened recently.
 
2013-01-27 02:17:39 PM

cygnusx13: If the only thing that protects from a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, what protects us from a dumbfark with a gun?


You answered your own question...

Darwin for the win
 
2013-01-27 02:23:44 PM

snowjack: Lsherm: MassAsster: No charges were filed against the man. The gun was taken as evidence.

evidence of what exactly? Stupidity?

I'd imagine they'll do a test fire to match the bullet to the gun just to make sure he actually shot himself.  The police probably have to write up a report for every gunshot wound they encounter.

Maybe they are taking prints to identify who loaded a weapon at a gun show, where generally all weapons are required to be unloaded and no ammo is allowed except for security personnel. Not that it's an excuse for the guy's negligence, but it seems awfully strange to me how many of these incidents have happened recently.


Meh... upon further review of the incidents, it seems most of them didn't actually occur within the show facilities, but right outside or at the security checkpoints. Stupidity is much easier to believe than conspiracy anyway.
 
2013-01-27 02:31:55 PM

snowjack:  but it seems awfully strange to me how many of these incidents have happened recently.


When a media frenzy occurs, the stupid are the most likely to panic, and as a result, we've seen a dramatic recent increase in the number of firearms owned by stupid people.  Not really all that surprising, when you think about it.  If the TV talking heads said that Red Vines were about to be banned, the same people would race out and buy them, even though the chance of Red Vines being banned is almost as low as the chance of firearms being banned.  Stupid people are easy to manipulate.
 
2013-01-27 03:38:13 PM
He simply needed a larger gun, if he lived to breed through this accidental gunshot.

/Darwin.
 
2013-01-27 03:41:27 PM

Whatthefark: A .25 round? Did it break the skin?

Seriously, those are the least powerful cartridges made. Shooting from a rifle makes them passable, but out of handguns they have about as much power as a subsonic .22LR round.


Even stupid people should only carry a .45 or larger.....
 
2013-01-27 03:42:43 PM

Hoban Washburne: At least the bullets are going in the right direction.


That is the correct type of gun control.
 
2013-01-27 04:56:49 PM
I love self correcting problems
 
2013-01-27 08:22:22 PM

mrexcess: *whine of a mewling kitten at Kittypie070's absence*



I'm so sorry.

*pets mrexcess*

Where you at, anyways? I'm stuck here in California.
 
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