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2013-01-26 11:26:45 PM

Haliburton Cummings: [i.imgur.com image 488x402]
cancer and drowning kill a lot of folks every year too.
sadly, not enough of them are guntards.


Why does the leftist wank squad insist on posting the same pics in every thread? Are you getting paid for the posts?
 
2013-01-26 11:29:38 PM
Smgth
God bless the SHIAT out the hero surreptitiously loading guns at gun shows!

No wonder our nation's credit rating is falling like a stone. Would you really invest in a society that regularly did shiat like this to itself?

/the inescapable conclusion about a society that cannot handle firearms is that it cannot handle nuclear weapons
 
2013-01-26 11:30:17 PM
More and more, the government is creating these scenarios to turn public opinion against guns, gun ownership, and gun owners. Since the school shooting, it's really kicked into high gear. The goal is to get enough people riled up about the dangers of guns that passing stronger gun control laws becomes a cakewalk.

Judging by a lot of the responses in this thread, it's working.
 
2013-01-26 11:42:44 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: More and more, the government is creating these scenarios to turn public opinion against guns, gun ownership, and gun owners


Yes, people accidentally shooting themselves is all part of a sinister government plot.

I hear more rational people on Coast to Coast AM.
 
2013-01-26 11:43:08 PM
Smgth
Anyone who doesn't check if a gun is loaded when it's picked up should be removed from the gene pool post haste.

Anyone who uses the euphemistic term "remove from the gene pool" is probably sociopathic and utterly devoid of compassion, who labors under the delusion that mistakes are something that other people make. What you're really doing is saying that people deserve to be killed for making mistakes. Society is here to prevent that from happening as much as possible - to soften the blows inflicted by nature, not to stand by and chortle at nature's victims, ballyhooing its casual cruelty.

Yes, guns should always be assumed to be loaded. They should always be checked before handing over to another person, and again by the person who they're handed to, and re-checked before dry-firing. With that said, wishing death on humans because they make mistakes or forget things is sick. Wishing death on humans in order to advance your political agenda is evil.
 
2013-01-26 11:43:26 PM

born_yesterday:
That sounds like a "bug" and not a "feature". With a major design flaw like that, how do you reliably unload the damn thing? Can't you still lock the slide back and leave the chamber exposed to look for/unload a chambered round?

/Honestly asking
//Will keep this in mind if I ever handle a .25


Flipping barrel

www.ranchdogoutdoors.com
 
2013-01-26 11:49:04 PM

mrexcess: Hickory-smoked
Are you denying that access to guns is a factor?

Are you denying that cultural factors are a more weighty one?

There are lots of guns in Switzerland: every military-age male is required to maintain a fully automatic assault rifle in their home, along with an ammunition stockpile. Yet there's almost no gun crime or instances of mass shootings there.

Doesn't that tell us that access to firearms isn't actually the root of the problem, and that trying to limit or ban certain classes of firearms is treating the symptom and not the cause?


Guns are under much tighter restrictions in Switzerland than they are in the US, and gun ownership runs at about 1/2 the rate of that in the US, so no, that doesn't tell you shiat. But nice try.
 
2013-01-26 11:53:43 PM
I wonder how many lives were saved by guns this week? Oh, that's right, if I brandish a gun and tell the police, I become the criminal.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20130125/NEWS/130129826/1685#woman-may-h a ve-known-intruder-her-husband-shot-in-south-omaha
 
2013-01-26 11:56:44 PM

Hickory-smoked: Saturn5: What, you mean there might be something to the amount of crime OTHER than the number of guns?

Are you denying that access to guns is a factor?


Are you suggesting access to guns makes people homicidal?
 
2013-01-26 11:57:09 PM

feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.


And what makes that even worse is Chicago's favorite son, Obama, has recently made it very clear he does not approve of such activity yet these people are ignoring him. Forget that people are dying, it takes real brass balls to disobey Obama. But then, in the recent immortal words of the great and powerful Oz Hillary Clinton - "What difference does it make?"
 
2013-01-27 12:00:18 AM
Just how many gun show shootings happen regularly, anyways? Before the rampant over-exposure, that is...
 
2013-01-27 12:04:24 AM
RealFarknMcCoy2
Guns are under much tighter restrictions in Switzerland than they are in the US, and gun ownership runs at about 1/2 the rate of that in the US, so no, that doesn't tell you shiat. But nice try.

Do you have citations for those claims? For men between the ages of 20 and 30, their home must contain a fully automatic Sig SG 550 rifle. After their militia service has ended, these men are allowed the option of keeping their rifles for life. The result is that, according to Wikipedia, approximately 29% of Swiss homes contain firearms. That number in the US is 43%.

Switzerland has a lot of guns, including assault rifles. They have essentially no instances of mass shootings, and very little gun crime.

My point stands - firearms ownership is not the root problem, and restricting firearms ownership is treating only a symptom of the actual problem.

Smgth
My 'political agenda' is less stupid people.

Well then launch the nukes and end the species, because I have news for you: we're all stupid. Every last one of us. If you don't think that you're stupid, that's only because you're too stupid to realize that you are.

I'm not evil, simply amoral.

Well thanks for clearing that up.
 
2013-01-27 12:10:58 AM

Pray 4 Mojo: How the hell does one fire a pistol into their own palm when firing it by sliding the action?

Was he holding it by wrapping his hand around the end of the barrel?

Dude is insanely stupid or lying.


The slide of a little .25ACP pistol is probably no more than 3" long.  You take the off-hand off the gun, reach up top placing your forefinger and thumb just ahead of the ejection port, and your palm is likely to be dangling in front of the muzzle unless you're real careful.
 
2013-01-27 12:33:10 AM
Never did like those flip barrels. It's like an accident waiting to happen

/and it did happen
 
2013-01-27 12:33:36 AM

Mrtraveler01: AverageAmericanGuy: More and more, the government is creating these scenarios to turn public opinion against guns, gun ownership, and gun owners

Yes, people accidentally shooting themselves is all part of a sinister government plot.

I hear more rational people on Coast to Coast AM.


Believe what you want. But when you finally ask yourself why so much 'irresponsible gun owner' news is in the press suddenly, maybe you'll have enough curiosity to try to find an answer.
 
2013-01-27 12:34:59 AM

BronyMedic: feckingmorons: BronyMedic: Yes. I just called a magazine a clip. I'm self-correcting myself. SORRY FARK SOCIETY OF PEDANTS.

Why don't you make a point rather than post so much? Quality is much more impressive than quantity.

I did make a point. Guy has no right to be around a gun if he doesn't know how to clear one before handling it.


You've never had an accident? If you ever back into a fire hydrant should you never be able to drive again?

Yes, he does have a right to own a gun, it is the second one in the Bill of Rights. You don't lose it by accidentally shooting yourself in the hand. Sure, you're a dumbass when you accidentally shoot yourself, but it is not like committing a felony with a gun when you do forfeit your right. We know our fine highly trained police and federal agents never accidentally discharge a gun into his own foot right after he said he was the only one professional enough to carry a gun.

When your not a kid anymore your opinion will change. You just don't have enough life experience yet.
 
2013-01-27 12:36:27 AM

cygnusx13: If the only thing that protects from a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, what protects us from a dumbfark with a gun?


His hand. He shot himself in the hand, not anyone else.
 
2013-01-27 12:43:50 AM

MassAsster: No charges were filed against the man. The gun was taken as evidence.

evidence of what exactly? Stupidity?


I'd imagine they'll do a test fire to match the bullet to the gun just to make sure he actually shot himself.  The police probably have to write up a report for every gunshot wound they encounter.
 
2013-01-27 01:04:39 AM
Smgth
I agree, everyone is stupid; I'm down with a clean slate. Perhaps the dolphins can make a go of it.

Sigh.

As a species, we've created so much beauty. We've visited space. We're a few technological steps from achieving functional immortality, and eliminating resource scarcity.

The one and only thing that might prevent us is attitude like yours. Not our stupidity or ignorance or propensity to make mistakes, but our cruelty, our violence, our inhumanity towards and lack of care for one another.
 
2013-01-27 01:16:07 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: More and more, the government is creating these scenarios to turn public opinion against guns, gun ownership, and gun owners. Since the school shooting, it's really kicked into high gear. The goal is to get enough people riled up about the dangers of guns that passing stronger gun control laws becomes a cakewalk.

Judging by a lot of the responses in this thread, it's working.


F*ck me.

[rolls sanity check]
 
2013-01-27 01:27:01 AM
Five people were murdered in Chicago on Saturday. Too bad they didn't have a gun show, it would have been safer.
 
2013-01-27 01:27:49 AM
Kittypie070: So, uh.... hi. :)
 
2013-01-27 01:28:51 AM

Mrtraveler01: NewportBarGuy: generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?

It's like a NY vs. Chicago-style pizza thread.

I find those threads more entertaining.

Besides, everyone knows that Chicago-style is where it's at.


"hey you know what I could go for? Lasagna on a pita shell" -nobody ever
 
2013-01-27 01:37:33 AM

mrexcess: Kittypie070: So, uh.... hi. :)


Yeah howdy there. :3

I passed that sanity check, BTW.
 
2013-01-27 01:53:08 AM

Kittypie070: AverageAmericanGuy: More and more, the government is creating these scenarios to turn public opinion against guns, gun ownership, and gun owners. Since the school shooting, it's really kicked into high gear. The goal is to get enough people riled up about the dangers of guns that passing stronger gun control laws becomes a cakewalk.

Judging by a lot of the responses in this thread, it's working.

F*ck me.

[rolls sanity check]


The things he posts are to be taken with a grain of salt. He posted from both America and Japan one day and I gave up.
 
2013-01-27 01:54:29 AM
Smgth
Oh, boo hoo. You're making my point for me! We've achieved all these great things...and yet not one single minute goes by without some a$$hole brutally murdering someone else for no reason. Man's inhumanity to man is its DEFINING feature.

I'm kind of mystified, now. You're talking about murdering people being assholish, but you're cheering for the theoretical murderous sabotage act of secretly loading guns at gun shows, leading to people accidentally shooting each other. Apparently, what, that's OK because their murderous act is trying to accomplish an end with which you agree?

You think a post scarcity economy will eliminate religious warfare?!

More or less, yes. I think that all war and large scale conflict, when you get right down to it, is a matter of resource scarcity.

Religion had the capcity to make humans behave decently to each other but it's just a way for small minds to STAY small and guve reasons to kill the neighbors

Small minds stay small in the absence of religion, too. Science is not the antithetical medicine to religion.

Trust me, my attitude is the response, not the cause.

It's not cause, it's not response, it's just an example of the problem. Your lack of religion hasn't somehow made you a person who isn't cruel and small-minded, has it?

Kittypie070
Yeah howdy there. :3

I passed that sanity check, BTW.


Well I was hoping that someone who uses Fark, is frustrated by mans inhumanity to man, likes aminals, makes d20 jokes, and wears jeans really well wasn't going to be occupied with a trollish dude who says the government is planting ammo in guns at gun shows. So, uhh... wanna come over for D&D or GURPS night sometime? Or at least mind if I utilize that EI ur P tomorrow? :)
 
2013-01-27 01:57:11 AM

Kittypie070: Yeah howdy there. :3


i0.kym-cdn.com

/Can't resist.
 
2013-01-27 02:03:43 AM
Meh....
I'm okay with this.
 
2013-01-27 02:05:57 AM

mrexcess: RealFarknMcCoy2
Guns are under much tighter restrictions in Switzerland than they are in the US, and gun ownership runs at about 1/2 the rate of that in the US, so no, that doesn't tell you shiat. But nice try.

Do you have citations for those claims? For men between the ages of 20 and 30, their home must contain a fully automatic Sig SG 550 rifle. After their militia service has ended, these men are allowed the option of keeping their rifles for life. The result is that, according to Wikipedia, approximately 29% of Swiss homes contain firearms. That number in the US is 43%.

Switzerland has a lot of guns, including assault rifles. They have essentially no instances of mass shootings, and very little gun crime.

My point stands - firearms ownership is not the root problem, and restricting firearms ownership is treating only a symptom of the actual problem.



What's amusing to me is how you managed to quote from the Wikipedia page to "support" your argument (which you didn't - it's around 1/2 the rate of gun ownership of the US, per capita), but managed to conveniently IGNORE the information on the SAME wikipedia page which shoots your argument all to hell, to wit: the restrictions placed on gun ownership in Switzerland:

Basically, the sale of automatic firearms, selective fire weapons and certain accessories such as sound suppressors ("silencers") is forbidden (as is the sale of certain disabled automatic firearms which have been identified as easily restored to fully automatic capability). The purchase of such items is however legal with a special permit issued by cantonal police. The issuance of such a permit requires additional requirements to be met, e.g. the possession of a specific gun locker.

So, if you REALLY believed that Switzerland were so similar to the US in gun ownership rates, the substantial difference is the restrictions, such as those listed, above. Thereby supporting my point about restrictions on ownership and their contribution to keeping gun violence down.
 
2013-01-27 02:16:31 AM
Nobody in Chicago should be alound to carry a gun
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-27 02:33:19 AM
RealFarknMcCoy2
which you didn't - it's around 1/2 the rate of gun ownership of the US, per capita

29 is almost exactly 2/3rds of 43. And it's almost 1/3rd of 100, meaning that just about 1 in 3 Swiss households has a firearm. That's a very non-negligible number.

Basically, the sale of automatic firearms, selective fire weapons and certain accessories such as sound suppressors ("silencers") is forbidden

The same is basically true of automatic and select-fire firearms in the US. Suppressors require special federal permission to purchase.
 
2013-01-27 02:34:46 AM

badhatharry: It's amateur hour at gun shows. Like all the drunks out on New Year's Eve. Be careful out there!


This. Gun shows are packed right now, filled with idiots who think Feinstein's gun ban will even be able to clear the Senate and enterprising investors selling their Shrubmaster and other low-end ARs for $3,000 and up.
 
2013-01-27 02:41:30 AM
Smgth
If you believe war is all about scarcity, then you think a religious war is about the other side not have enough of your god? Germany didn't have enough dead Jews? The Crusaders didn't have enough dead Muslims?

I don't know anyone who believes that Germany viewed WW2 as a religious war - the whole persecution of Jews thing was really just a result of German Jews being scapegoated as outsiders who were responsible for destroying the German economy. And as for the Crusades, religion may have been the cover used to motivate the masses to war, but it's pretty much accepted by historians that the leaders who picked the fights were cynics using the veil of religion to acquire more territory and wealth.

You think Al Quaida wanted the resources of the WTC?

No, I think they were pissed off about our presence in Saudi Arabia. Ahem.

People are covetous by nature, this much is true, but even given more then they need, there will still be jealousy and envy leading to more inhumane acts.

I think the technological end of resource scarcity makes the existence of jealousy more or less anachronistic. If you can have whatever you want, right down to whatever experiences you want, without bothering anyone, the idea of being jealous of someone else just doesn't really work anymore.
 
2013-01-27 02:43:35 AM
*whine of a mewling kitten at Kittypie070's absence*
 
2013-01-27 03:26:29 AM
Smgth
Anyone can posit, after the fact, an alternate theory why a religious war wasn't solely based on religion.

It's not really an alternate theory. I don't know any historians who think that WW2 was primarily about religion, or who would argue that religious concerns were less genuine than pretext in the Crusades.

You didn't argue against rich people with excess resources stealing, despite the fact they clearly do. They exist in a post scarcity model.

No no, you've got that very wrong. It doesn't surprise me at all that wealthy people steal... wealthy people do not exist outside the scarcity model, in fact they're going to tend to be those with the strongest impulse towards greedy behavior!

An actual absence of scarcity would be an entirely different beast than we today operate under. Bribery and the buying of influence would be impossible, hoarding an instinct without purpose, and possession no longer a symbol of status. That's not the world today for even the wealthiest people.

This is SUPER fun by the way!

Exercise of thought is one of the purest and most rewarding pursuits. I'm disappointed with how casual you are towards human life, but I'm glad that you're enjoying the discussion and hopefully the chance to exchange and think about other perspectives!
 
2013-01-27 03:27:15 AM
less genuine

That should read "more genuine", rather....
 
2013-01-27 03:56:53 AM
Ooh la la, SIX! Who cares? Just because there is a news story theme or political issue doesn't make the usual daily happenings around the country any more interesting or important than they were a year ago. A plane crashes, all the stories focus on all the small planes crashing. A sinkhole shows up and every divot in the country gets reported on for weeks. A cat dials 911 and someone tries to claim their snail did so too.

If I assert that .01% of the population is stupid enough to "dry fire" a gun without properly checking it, that still leaves about 35,000 people stupid enough to do so.

It's a big country. Be thankful we're not China and relax.
 
2013-01-27 04:04:10 AM

Saturn5: Hickory-smoked: Saturn5: What, you mean there might be something to the amount of crime OTHER than the number of guns?

Are you denying that access to guns is a factor?

Are you suggesting access to guns makes people homicidal?


More like suggesting that giving homicidal people access to guns is a bad idea. I can only assume that you agree.

If that's the case, then the real question here is what government restrictions would be most effective in preventing irresponsible gun ownership. Right?
 
2013-01-27 04:22:44 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: feckingmorons: 18 people were murdered in Chicago in the first 10 days of the year. Nobody died at a gun show. If you want me I'll be at a gun show, they are obviously much safer than Chicago.

Well, no one died of a gunshot on Neptune either...


Or Uranus...
 
2013-01-27 05:16:42 AM

cuzsis: Dingleberry_Pie: Altair 2013-01-26 08:42:00 PM
I worked IT at a couple gun stores for about a year and two customers were shot in that time. Most are careful, but some people are cockystupid with guns.

I'm a gun owner, hunt, shoot a lot, been around guns all my life. I'm glad my dad taught me the basics at a young age and enforced them as we got older. I've been in a few gun stores since the buying panic has started and have been appalled at the morons that are in there buying. I wish that gun safety and hadling classes were mandatory for everyone in this country, not just owners and buyers. It should be treated like home economics in school, it's just a basic fact of life that you may be around a gun someday and you should know how to handle one safely without being frightened of it. And I shouldn't have to be worried about the knucklehead at the gun show that wants to sweep the crowd with the pistol he's looking at.

You know that Home Ec. isn't offered in most schools anymore right?

/but I agree, firearm training should be mandatory for everyone graduating high school.


Fark that
 
2013-01-27 05:36:16 AM

feckingmorons: cygnusx13: If the only thing that protects from a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, what protects us from a dumbfark with a gun?

His hand. He shot himself in the hand, not anyone else.


This time. And there are countless stories of other times where the dumbfark shot someone else.
 
2013-01-27 05:48:27 AM

amquelbettamin: I've found people who are afraid of owning a gun are the same type of people who are afraid of heights. Basically they do not trust themselves not to have some momentary insanity and jump off the cliff or blow their brains out. A lot of people in here fall into that category and probably shouldn't buy a gun. Just don't assume everyone shares your fears.


It is more like me standing on a cliff edge with a bunch of people, some of whom I know and trust, some strangers, some assholes who are farking around, couple of angry guys, some drunks, etc. I am not afraid I will throw myself off, I am afraid that one of the drunk guys will accidentally push me over, or the angry guy will think I looked at him funny and push me over.

Happy living in a society where assholes and drunks are not allowed to carry weapons.

Incidentally, I see your image is hotlinked from Islamic sunrays...
 
2013-01-27 07:01:31 AM
What's worse, letting these people own guns or vote?
What is more uncivilized?
 
2013-01-27 07:20:19 AM

Fark It: badhatharry: It's amateur hour at gun shows. Like all the drunks out on New Year's Eve. Be careful out there!

This. Gun shows are packed right now, filled with idiots who think Feinstein's gun ban will even be able to clear the Senate and enterprising investors selling their Shrubmaster and other low-end ARs for $3,000 and up.


Nothing more American than profiting off of people's stupidity.
 
2013-01-27 08:28:50 AM

feckingmorons: You've never had an accident? If you ever back into a fire hydrant should you never be able to drive again?


Sure. I've had accidents. I totaled a Grand Pre after being up for 62 hours. But there's a difference. I've never accidentally shot myself by not following basic safety measures with a loaded pistol. And I've shot plenty of pistol rounds.

feckingmorons: Yes, he does have a right to own a gun, it is the second one in the Bill of Rights. You don't lose it by accidentally shooting yourself in the hand. Sure, you're a dumbass when you accidentally shoot yourself, but it is not like committing a felony with a gun when you do forfeit your right. We know our fine highly trained police and federal agents never accidentally discharge a gun into his own foot right after he said he was the only one professional enough to carry a gun.


Of course, he has a right to own a gun. I don't think ANYONE is debating that, and it's a non sequitor in this case.

He has no business being around a weapon if he can't follow a basic safety measure taught to children.

feckingmorons: When your not a kid anymore your opinion will change. You just don't have enough life experience yet.


Appeal to Age? Really? When do I get old enough where it's okay to shoot yourself by doing something incredibly stupid and juvenile?
 
2013-01-27 09:57:38 AM
If only he had a good guy with a gun around him. I've heard recently that is the only protection from a bad guy with a gun.
 
2013-01-27 10:43:39 AM

born_yesterday: Click Click D'oh: BronyMedic: How hard is it to eject a clip, rack the slide and lock it back, and visually clear the chamber?

On some .25s, what you describe there will get the same results the dealer got.

...Some .25s have overly long firing pins, and the protruding firing pin is used in place of a separate ejector. So, cycling the slide with a live round is likely to set off the round.

That's why it's important to not just know the basic safety rules, but know the specifics of the particular firearm

That sounds like a "bug" and not a "feature". With a major design flaw like that, how do you reliably unload the damn thing? Can't you still lock the slide back and leave the chamber exposed to look for/unload a chambered round?

/Honestly asking
//Will keep this in mind if I ever handle a .25


The manual for my Raven .25 (hey, it was cheap, don't judge me) specifically states that it shouldn't be dry-fired. Not sure if that's related to this long-firing pin issue or not.
 
2013-01-27 11:25:21 AM

jbuist: Pray 4 Mojo: How the hell does one fire a pistol into their own palm when firing it by sliding the action?

Was he holding it by wrapping his hand around the end of the barrel?

Dude is insanely stupid or lying.

The slide of a little .25ACP pistol is probably no more than 3" long.  You take the off-hand off the gun, reach up top placing your forefinger and thumb just ahead of the ejection port, and your palm is likely to be dangling in front of the muzzle unless you're real careful.


It still will not discharge w/o trigger being fondled.
Toy guns deserve "special" handling if you cannot resist playing w/ them in first place.
Crappy tools give crappy results.
ALWAYS!
 
2013-01-27 11:28:02 AM

hinten: What's worse, letting these people own guns or vote?
What is more uncivilized?


The uncivilized dealeo is your attitude, Dude.
You are not in charge, never were, how did you ever get such an idea?
Oh, the Nanny.
 
2013-01-27 11:29:23 AM

Mrtraveler01: Fark It: badhatharry: It's amateur hour at gun shows. Like all the drunks out on New Year's Eve. Be careful out there!

This. Gun shows are packed right now, filled with idiots who think Feinstein's gun ban will even be able to clear the Senate and enterprising investors selling their Shrubmaster and other low-end ARs for $3,000 and up.

Nothing more American than profiting off of people's stupidity.


Stupidity and suffering, the two real profit centers in America.
 
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