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2013-01-26 09:55:54 PM

Mrtraveler01: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: badhatharry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pf3ID3XQ6o

Police say a 30-year-old man was accidentally killed during a game of quick draw at an automotive shop in Boaz.

PAT GARRETT.
I kid you not.

Sadly a lot of stories like that out there. I remember hearing about this one a while back:

http://www.wdaz.com/event/article/id/15841/

Long story short: I guess the takeaway is that private gun owners are no more or no less responsible than law enforcement officials.


You base that on three anecdotes that don't involve law enforcement officials?
 
2013-01-26 09:56:29 PM
Stupid people are attracted to flashy, loud thjings...we should encourage them to store and hold them toward themselves. As far as licensing and registering firearms, it's not the lawful citizens who kill people. The guns laws should include the death penalty for committing a crime with a gun. Just having a gun in the commission of a crime, let's get the gun-toting criminals out of our world.

/I know I ain't gonna be heard in all the shouting, but It's about time to separate criminals from the guns they love.
//Gun owner (hunting, etc)
///No, not registered, not gonna be, either
///ever see "Red Dawn"? It could happen...
 
2013-01-26 09:57:54 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

Clearly we must ban Chicago.
 
2013-01-26 09:58:30 PM

iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Meanwhile, in Alabama...

Riddle me this...

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'

When I pass a school I don't think, "Look at all those straight-A students!" When I pass a church I'm not sure it's filled with kind, thoughtful, spiritual people When I merge onto the highway I'm not confident I'm surrounded by competent, attentive and alert drivers.

Going by the daily dipsh*t like this guy and the one aiming at his daughter in yesterday's thread and the derp in these threads I'm thinking gun owners rate about the same kind of assessment. At this point I think advocating increased gun regulation would be the minimum requirement for "responsible gun owner."

I submit that statistical outliers exist in every group. Such statistical outliers skew the results of any graph/study.

I, also, submit that judgments rendered based on statistical outliers would be illogical.

I, also, submit that criticizing the intelligence or penis size of any debate opponent would be counter-productive.

My point?

There are roughly 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Roughly 240,000,000.

This is a story about 1. I would define that as a statistical outlier.


And based on that logic, since nearly every story is about one gun, they are all statistical outliers.

Hey! You just cured cancer!
 
2013-01-26 10:02:50 PM
Firearm Safety Rules

1. Always treat a gun as if it were loaded.
2. See rule #1
3. Go back and read rule #1, did you read it yet!?!?!
 
2013-01-26 10:02:59 PM

Saturn5: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x225]

Clearly we must ban Chicago.


NYC also have tough gun laws and crime is plummeting there.

http://www.npr.org/2013/01/24/170155191/new-york-murder-rate-plummet s- but-who-should-get-the-credit

It's almost as if the crime problems in Chicago are more complicated to solve than just gun bans or adding more guns on the street with CCW permits.

/Gets tired of the Chicago bashing
 
2013-01-26 10:06:20 PM
You guys treat each other like enemies on a battlefield, not citizens in the same society who disagree about a course of action on policy.

Maybe that's part of why so many people think that they need guns, and why so many think that they're too dangerous to have around.
 
2013-01-26 10:06:36 PM

Meetak: I don't think it's at all unreasonable to have at least the same level of regulation on firearms as there is on automobiles.

You have to register your car, it has to be insured ( against your ability to damage property and/or injure with it) , and you need a license to operate one. We all accept comprehensive, far-reaching safety regulation on cars without conflating it with a "government conspiracy" to take our cars away. People just need to start acting and speaking like bloody adults on this issue. It should be frigging easy.


You don't need a license to operate a car on private property, and there are plenty of non-conspiracy arguments to be made for not requiring insurance. Additionally, you can insure yourself. The reason we don't see auto registration and licensing as a conspiracy to eliminate all cars is because there are almost no activists out there who want to eliminate the automobile. In contrast, there are plenty of regressives who do want to eliminate all non-military and non-police firearm ownership. Why not outlaw 3rd trimester abortions? They are rare anyway and it would be a good compromise, right? Here's why. Because there are regressives out there that want to outlaw all abortion and would merely use it as a stepping stone to completely eliminating the rights of others. You never negotiate your rights with assholes who do not respect your rights.
 
2013-01-26 10:08:49 PM

generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?


I have to assume someone who profits from the advertising on this site
 
2013-01-26 10:11:17 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Mrtraveler01: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: badhatharry: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pf3ID3XQ6o

Police say a 30-year-old man was accidentally killed during a game of quick draw at an automotive shop in Boaz.

PAT GARRETT.
I kid you not.

Sadly a lot of stories like that out there. I remember hearing about this one a while back:

http://www.wdaz.com/event/article/id/15841/

Long story short: I guess the takeaway is that private gun owners are no more or no less responsible than law enforcement officials.

You base that on three anecdotes that don't involve law enforcement officials?


one anecdote is enough
 
2013-01-26 10:15:19 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Meanwhile, in Alabama...

Riddle me this...

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'

When I pass a school I don't think, "Look at all those straight-A students!" When I pass a church I'm not sure it's filled with kind, thoughtful, spiritual people When I merge onto the highway I'm not confident I'm surrounded by competent, attentive and alert drivers.

Going by the daily dipsh*t like this guy and the one aiming at his daughter in yesterday's thread and the derp in these threads I'm thinking gun owners rate about the same kind of assessment. At this point I think advocating increased gun regulation would be the minimum requirement for "responsible gun owner."

I submit that statistical outliers exist in every group. Such statistical outliers skew the results of any graph/study.

I, also, submit that judgments rendered based on statistical outliers would be illogical.

I, also, submit that criticizing the intelligence or penis size of any debate opponent would be counter-productive.

My point?

There are roughly 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Roughly 240,000,000.

This is a story about 1. I would define that as a statistical outlier.

And based on that logic, since nearly every story is about one gun, they are all statistical outliers.

Hey! You just cured cancer!


Hurray for me!

I'll follow the logic to bigger numbers.

There were roughly 20,000 some homicides last year. Let us assume, for now, that each incident was perpetrated by 1 gun. 20,000 guns out of 240,000,000. Even then, it's a very small percentage.

I submit that homicide (using a gun) IS a statistical outlier.
 
2013-01-26 10:16:53 PM
cuzsis
You know that Home Ec. isn't offered in most schools anymore right?

Yeah, and that's unfortunate. A legion of kids that don't know how to run a household because thier parents were too busy (or don't know themselves) and the schools decided it was easier to show a movie in that time slot. But you knew what I was talking about...
 
2013-01-26 10:18:28 PM

iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Meanwhile, in Alabama...

Riddle me this...

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'

When I pass a school I don't think, "Look at all those straight-A students!" When I pass a church I'm not sure it's filled with kind, thoughtful, spiritual people When I merge onto the highway I'm not confident I'm surrounded by competent, attentive and alert drivers.

Going by the daily dipsh*t like this guy and the one aiming at his daughter in yesterday's thread and the derp in these threads I'm thinking gun owners rate about the same kind of assessment. At this point I think advocating increased gun regulation would be the minimum requirement for "responsible gun owner."

I submit that statistical outliers exist in every group. Such statistical outliers skew the results of any graph/study.

I, also, submit that judgments rendered based on statistical outliers would be illogical.

I, also, submit that criticizing the intelligence or penis size of any debate opponent would be counter-productive.

My point?

There are roughly 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Roughly 240,000,000.

This is a story about 1. I would define that as a statistical outlier.

And based on that logic, since nearly every story is about one gun, they are all statistical outliers.

Hey! You just cured cancer!

Hurray for me!

I'll follow the logic to bigger numbers.

There were roughly 20,000 some homicides last year. Let us assume, for now, that each incident was perpetrated by 1 gun. 20,000 guns out of 240,000,000. Even then, it's a very small percentage.

I submit that homicide (using a gun) IS a statistical outlier.


Great. I can get rid of my shotgun.
 
2013-01-26 10:18:36 PM

fusillade762: The 54-year-old St. Charles resident told police he was showing off a .25 caliber pistol he thought was unloaded

Someone this stupid should not be allowed to handle guns, let alone sell them.


I don't know about you but personally I believe that the average person is an idiot, or at least that idiots comprise a significantly large portion of the population. Therein lies the rub, or something.
 
2013-01-26 10:21:09 PM

Krymson Tyde: Why is the answer either arm everybody or disarm everybody? The problems causing gun violence runs much deeper than who has and who doesn't have a gun. It's education, opportunities, mental health, proper parenting, and yes, easy access to firearms. This isn't going to be solved any time soon, but as long as the debate is reduced to guns good v. guns bad it will never be solved.


Partly because many of those issues are effectively impossible to solve. We do not have the money or the gumption. We can't even agree to provide universal healthcare through taxation. Education? Ha!
 
2013-01-26 10:22:36 PM

generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?


C'mon. It's always amusing when gun owners claim to be "responsible".
 
2013-01-26 10:23:22 PM

anfrind: PanicMan: NewportBarGuy: generallyso: Who is the guy with the hardon for gun threads that keeps approving these?

It's like a NY vs. Chicago-style pizza thread.

NY obviously.

California.


ERRORR ERROR DOE S NOT COMPuTE ShUTTIng DowN
 
2013-01-26 10:24:12 PM

Strobeguy: Firearm Safety Rules

1. Always treat a gun as if it were loaded.
2. See rule #1
3. Go back and read rule #1, did you read it yet!?!?!


What makes you thing they did not check!!?


got a local gun show going on here this weekend .......more of the same (maybe)
 
2013-01-26 10:25:24 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Meanwhile, in Alabama...

Riddle me this...

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'

When I pass a school I don't think, "Look at all those straight-A students!" When I pass a church I'm not sure it's filled with kind, thoughtful, spiritual people When I merge onto the highway I'm not confident I'm surrounded by competent, attentive and alert drivers.

Going by the daily dipsh*t like this guy and the one aiming at his daughter in yesterday's thread and the derp in these threads I'm thinking gun owners rate about the same kind of assessment. At this point I think advocating increased gun regulation would be the minimum requirement for "responsible gun owner."

I submit that statistical outliers exist in every group. Such statistical outliers skew the results of any graph/study.

I, also, submit that judgments rendered based on statistical outliers would be illogical.

I, also, submit that criticizing the intelligence or penis size of any debate opponent would be counter-productive.

My point?

There are roughly 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Roughly 240,000,000.

This is a story about 1. I would define that as a statistical outlier.

And based on that logic, since nearly every story is about one gun, they are all statistical outliers.

Hey! You just cured cancer!

Hurray for me!

I'll follow the logic to bigger numbers.

There were roughly 20,000 some homicides last year. Let us assume, for now, that each incident was perpetrated by 1 gun. 20,000 guns out of 240,000,000. Even then, it's a very small percentage.

I submit that homicide (using a gun) IS a statistical outlier.

Great. I can get rid of my shotgun.


Oh? What kind of shotgun do you have?

You had better sell it soon; or you'll have to pay someone with an FFL to transfer it for you.

/ who knows how much that may cost
 
2013-01-26 10:26:03 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: How the hell does one fire a pistol into their own palm when firing it by sliding the action?

Was he holding it by wrapping his hand around the end of the barrel?

Dude is insanely stupid or lying.


I blame those idiotic Steven Seagal movies where he racks the slide on his 9mm by pushing on the front sight. Might look cool in a nonchalant kind of way, but it's about the most unsafe way to load a round/check the chamber ever thought of.

CSB: used to work with a guy who liked to drink and play with his .45 1911 in front of the bathroom mirror. He didn't show up for work a couple of days and when he did make it back his whole left arm was in a cast. Turns out he was doing a "Seagal move" and ended up shooting himself in the palm.

/came out just before the elbow
//cops took his gun away
 
2013-01-26 10:27:39 PM

Mrtraveler01: So basically, trust no one?


The truth is out there.
 
2013-01-26 10:29:10 PM

amquelbettamin: I've found people who are afraid of owning a gun are the same type of people who are afraid of heights.


Wait a minute... that's what you think this debate is about?

I don't know anyone who is afraid of owning a gun. I can name quite a few people who are concerned about guns in the hands of the untrained or criminally irresponsible, and it seems like a reasonable position.
 
2013-01-26 10:29:51 PM

iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Meanwhile, in Alabama...

Riddle me this...

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'

When I pass a school I don't think, "Look at all those straight-A students!" When I pass a church I'm not sure it's filled with kind, thoughtful, spiritual people When I merge onto the highway I'm not confident I'm surrounded by competent, attentive and alert drivers.

Going by the daily dipsh*t like this guy and the one aiming at his daughter in yesterday's thread and the derp in these threads I'm thinking gun owners rate about the same kind of assessment. At this point I think advocating increased gun regulation would be the minimum requirement for "responsible gun owner."

I submit that statistical outliers exist in every group. Such statistical outliers skew the results of any graph/study.

I, also, submit that judgments rendered based on statistical outliers would be illogical.

I, also, submit that criticizing the intelligence or penis size of any debate opponent would be counter-productive.

My point?

There are roughly 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Roughly 240,000,000.

This is a story about 1. I would define that as a statistical outlier.

And based on that logic, since nearly every story is about one gun, they are all statistical outliers.

Hey! You just cured cancer!

Hurray for me!

I'll follow the logic to bigger numbers.

There were roughly 20,000 some homicides last year. Let us assume, for now, that each incident was perpetrated by 1 gun. 20,000 guns out of 240,000,000. Even then, it's a very small percentage.

I submit that homicide (using a gun) IS a statistical outlier.

Great. I can get rid of my shotgun.

Oh? What kind of shotgun do you have?

You had better sell it soon; or you'll have to ...


No guns of any kind. Abandoning your "gun violence is irrelevant" argument?
 
2013-01-26 10:30:00 PM
I told you it was loaded.

It is always loaded.
 
2013-01-26 10:33:36 PM
Did you hear the one about how they are just coming for the Ars and Aks.
Give 'em up and all will be well. Har har har!
You get to keep your shotguns. Hardy har har!

/until next time
//or maybe the handguns, we'll get back to you
 
2013-01-26 10:34:53 PM

Mrtraveler01: It's almost as if the crime problems in Chicago are more complicated to solve than just gun bans or adding more guns on the street with CCW permits.

/Gets tired of the Chicago bashing


What, you mean there might be something to the amount of crime OTHER than the number of guns? Well, that's just right wing nutter talk, there.
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-01-26 10:36:04 PM

Saturn5: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x225]

Clearly we must ban Chicago.


And those are just the ones that get reported.
 
2013-01-26 10:42:59 PM
Nina_Hartley's_Ass
iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: iheartscotch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Meanwhile, in Alabama...

Riddle me this...

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'

When I pass a school I don't think, "Look at all those straight-A students!" When I pass a church I'm not sure it's filled with kind, thoughtful, spiritual people When I merge onto the highway I'm not confident I'm surrounded by competent, attentive and alert drivers.

Going by the daily dipsh*t like this guy and the one aiming at his daughter in yesterday's thread and the derp in these threads I'm thinking gun owners rate about the same kind of assessment. At this point I think advocating increased gun regulation would be the minimum requirement for "responsible gun owner."

I submit that statistical outliers exist in every group. Such statistical outliers skew the results of any graph/study.

I, also, submit that judgments rendered based on statistical outliers would be illogical.

I, also, submit that criticizing the intelligence or penis size of any debate opponent would be counter-productive.

My point?

There are roughly 88 guns for every 100 Americans. Roughly 240,000,000.

This is a story about 1. I would define that as a statistical outlier.

And based on that logic, since nearly every story is about one gun, they are all statistical outliers.

Hey! You just cured cancer!

Hurray for me!

I'll follow the logic to bigger numbers.

There were roughly 20,000 some homicides last year. Let us assume, for now, that each incident was perpetrated by 1 gun. 20,000 guns out of 240,000,000. Even then, it's a very small percentage.

I submit that homicide (using a gun) IS a statistical outlier.

Great. I can get rid of my shotgun.

Oh? What kind of shotgun do you have?

You had better sell it soon; or you'll have to ...

No guns of any kind. Abandoning your "gun violence is irrelevant" argument?


Am I quoting like a winner properly?
 
2013-01-26 10:43:49 PM

Saturn5: What, you mean there might be something to the amount of crime OTHER than the number of guns?


Are you denying that access to guns is a factor?
 
2013-01-26 10:44:49 PM

iheartscotch: You had better sell it soon; or you'll have to pay someone with an FFL to transfer it for you.

/ who knows how much that may cost


About $25. Depends on the shop
 
2013-01-26 10:45:23 PM

iheartscotch:

If we should except everyone as equal; doesn't that, by it's very nature, include gun people?

And, if you don't; wouldn't that make you intolerant towards a group of people?

/ just sayin'


Whether it's guns or cats, people who hoard/collect anything obsessively strike me as a little "off." Seriously, some old lady has five cats and she's "that crazy old cat lady." Some old dude has 57 guns and he's "that patriot who's preparing to defend himself against the forces of government tyranny." Nope, nothing odd about that, no sir.
 
2013-01-26 10:47:10 PM
Hickory-smoked
Are you denying that access to guns is a factor?

Are you denying that cultural factors are a more weighty one?

There are lots of guns in Switzerland: every military-age male is required to maintain a fully automatic assault rifle in their home, along with an ammunition stockpile. Yet there's almost no gun crime or instances of mass shootings there.

Doesn't that tell us that access to firearms isn't actually the root of the problem, and that trying to limit or ban certain classes of firearms is treating the symptom and not the cause?
 
2013-01-26 10:51:15 PM

mrexcess: There are lots of guns in Switzerland: every military-age male is required to maintain a fully automatic assault rifle in their home, along with an ammunition stockpile. Yet there's almost no gun crime or instances of mass shootings there.


Compulsory military service will do that I suppose.
 
2013-01-26 10:53:37 PM
Mrtraveler01
Compulsory military service will do that I suppose.

Compulsory military service makes a society non-violent? That's a pretty bold assertion, do you have equally bold evidence to support it?
 
2013-01-26 10:55:29 PM
Why don't we hear about it every time some guy hits his thumb with a hammer?

/come on, someone had to do a hammer joke.
//even if its a terrible one.
 
2013-01-26 10:56:58 PM
Dayum, late to the party again, fer shame.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-26 11:02:30 PM
these people need guns to protect themselves from themselves shooting themselves.
 
2013-01-26 11:04:33 PM

litespeed74: these people need guns to protect themselves from themselves shooting themselves.


This would never have happened if his other hand was holding a gun.
 
2013-01-26 11:06:04 PM
 
2013-01-26 11:09:19 PM
Gun "enthusiasts", "collectors" and anyone who would go to a gun "show" are mentally ill. Lock them up, and take away their toys.
 
2013-01-26 11:09:52 PM
i.imgur.com
cancer and drowning kill a lot of folks every year too.
sadly, not enough of them are guntards.
 
2013-01-26 11:14:13 PM
duckpoopy: Why, when America is fast becoming a psych ward where everyone has to be straight-jacketed and given safety scissors because we're all so angry, violent, and uncaring that any and every tool in our hands quickly becomes a means to abuse others?

/guns arent the problem
//a society where respect and kindness have almost completely died out is
 
2013-01-26 11:14:47 PM

Apos: THE GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED


The why do you need high-capacity magazines? :-)
 
2013-01-26 11:14:59 PM
i451.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-26 11:18:18 PM

BronyMedic: fusillade762: The 54-year-old St. Charles resident told police he was showing off a .25 caliber pistol he thought was unloaded

Someone this stupid should not be allowed to handle guns, let alone sell them.

How hard is it to eject a clip, rack the slide and lock it back, and visually clear the chamber?


Difficulty:  without putting your hand over the muzzle.
 
2013-01-26 11:19:35 PM

eddievercetti: Fark gun control, can we enforce using your brain control?


speaking of which, do they sell beer at gun shows?
 
2013-01-26 11:19:40 PM

cygnusx13: If the only thing that protects from a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, what protects us from a dumbfark with a gun?


A Genius with an iPad, of course.
 
2013-01-26 11:20:40 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Clearly Obama, in concert with the indestructible shadow armies of the U.N., used their their time machine(s) to discredit this brilliant patriot by secretly loading this firearm of unimaginable destructive power and then unleashed their mind control rays to force him to act in an asstardedly irresponsible fashion all with the greater goal of forcing every American who cheered at the end of "Rocky IV" into indentured servitude making -- and then destroying -- Larry the Cable Guy memorabilia.

When will you sheeple finally see how simple it is?



What makes you think we are not all in on it?
 
2013-01-26 11:25:50 PM

amquelbettamin: I've found people who are afraid of owning a gun are the same type of people who are afraid of heights.


Afraid of owning a gun-- What kind of bullshiat is that? It's like saying that I'm afraid of owning a big-screen TV.

It's a product just like any other. It's only you gun nuts that attach some mystical significance to owning a gun.
 
2013-01-26 11:26:33 PM

amquelbettamin: I've found people who are afraid of owning a gun are the same type of people who are afraid of heights. Basically they do not trust themselves not to have some momentary insanity and jump off the cliff or blow their brains out. A lot of people in here fall into that category and probably shouldn't buy a gun. Just don't assume everyone shares your fears.

[islamicsunrays.com image 300x450]


I've found that people who make ASSumptions about people who are in favor of stricter gun controls are the same type of people who are stupid enough to shoot themselves accidentally with their own guns.

/just sayin'
//I'm not "afraid" of owning a gun, nor am I saying that absolutely nobody should own one. I AM in favor of tightening the restrictions on gun ownership, however. If that happens to exclude you because you are: A) insane, B) irresponsible or C) too farking stupid to be allowed to own one, then too goddamned bad. Live with it.
 
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