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(YouTube) Video Eddie Van Halen is 56 today. Let the Cobain vs Van Halen guitar debate begin   (youtube.com) divider line 38
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2013-01-26 03:19:07 PM
4 votes:
What debate? Whose wife did more damage to their career?
kab
2013-01-26 04:56:24 PM
3 votes:
One of the problems with this argument (and there are many problems with it) is that you're comparing a guitarist who writes songs to a songwriter who happens to play guitar.

And yes, they're 2 very different things.
kab
2013-01-26 04:37:55 PM
3 votes:
Ah, it's the weekly "music is a contest" thread.
2013-01-26 04:24:56 PM
3 votes:
I think I'm older than many FARKers. That PLUS being a guitarist myself, I would make the claim that Eddie is a very under-rated guitarist at this point. I remember well when VH1 came out...holy f*ck, Eddie turned the guitar world around!

EV's problem as a guitarist was that he never really progressed as a guitarist - the first two VH albums showed Eddie at his best.

Now you've got these great guitar soloists...Satch, Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, Tobin Abasi, John Petrucci, etc. - these guitarists are outstanding and are constantly innovating. Eddie never really did that, which is his downfall.

Besides, any so-called "VanHalen" fan who hasn't heard the first two albums? WTF?! Just ignore anything VH did during or after the Hagar era.

Cobain? I could teach any student his material and - allowing said student actually practices - within 30 days they could emulate his guitar.

For some evidence of my claim, click on the link below and try to tell me this Vai tune (called "Building the Church" and performed live) isn't a guitar-players dream. It's expressive, soulful in its way, as well as being virtuoso in technique.

Link
2013-01-26 03:55:54 PM
3 votes:
I would have picked Randy Rhoads then you might have had an argument; damn shame he didn't make it to 56...

xxcultradio.com
2013-01-26 03:43:14 PM
3 votes:
If Cobain hadn't had buckshot for breakfast one morning, he and the boys would be eating omelettes on a cruise ship with Marcy Playground and the Gin Blossoms right about now.
2013-01-26 03:29:37 PM
3 votes:
Came to thread to see if there's some meme/joke. I'm unfamiliar with.

I *like* Nirvana, but never thought to include Cobain in any list of "Guitar Greats". I don't like VanHalen, but would include Eddie in that list.
2013-01-26 07:11:38 PM
2 votes:
I love how Cobain plays(ed) the guitar despite his lack of technical prowess. Eddie is very talented but for me anyway, is the poster child for ' just because you can, doesn't mean you should '. Nails on a chalkboard guitar wankery a la malmsteen or vai just doesn't move me in the slightest.
2013-01-26 05:33:31 PM
2 votes:

Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt


1. You've obviously never heard Prince play guitar.
2. I hate seeing long lists like this and seeing that Mike Oldfield has been left off again.
2013-01-26 05:29:01 PM
2 votes:
Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.
2013-01-26 04:52:37 PM
2 votes:
Jimmy Page hasn't been mentioned yet. He was kind of a big deal back in the day.
2013-01-26 04:44:34 PM
2 votes:

Funbags: From a virtuosity standpoint, Jeff Beck is first and its not even close.


You know, I agree!
2013-01-26 04:36:42 PM
2 votes:
Obviously a successful and influential guitarist...
But that goes on for 11 minutes? No thanks.

/subby deserves THOTY (Troll Headline Of The Year)
2013-01-26 03:29:06 PM
2 votes:
Obviously, Eddie is an infinitely more talented guitarist. In fact, Cobain pretty much sucked at guitar.

Still, Nirvana remains my all time favorite band.
2013-01-26 03:22:02 PM
2 votes:

tfresh: What debate? Whose wife did more damage to their career?


There isn't really any debate about this, either, considering Valerie didn't ruin Eddie's opportunity to, you know, turn 56.
2013-01-27 04:47:34 PM
1 votes:
Bears repeating:

imageshack.us

Through teenhood and then motherhood and putting up with Eddie for 20 years, through before and after Nutrisystem and today, I would hit it harder than the guitar strings of a Pete Towsend opening riff.
2013-01-27 02:34:08 PM
1 votes:
Here's ^ a sample of Nuno not doing anything "special".
2013-01-27 01:11:43 PM
1 votes:

Mikey1969:
Nuno Bettencourt? What did you do? Find your favorite bands and look up the guitarist? Sure, Extreme has some good songs, but there's nothing special about Bettencourt.


I'm not an Extreme fan, but Nuno can farking play. Do your homework before you make a comment like this, kthxbye.
2013-01-27 03:45:11 AM
1 votes:
Apropos of something to be determined later (if at all):

Maggot Brain

Maggot Brain (redux)
2013-01-26 10:06:51 PM
1 votes:
EVH was voted #1 guitarist of all time by people who actually play guitar, Guitar World Magazine readers. Cobain wasn't a musician, he was a mental patient who should have been in a hospital coloring so he wouldn't hurt himself, which, of course, he ended up doing.
2013-01-26 09:32:56 PM
1 votes:

DS1970: For instance, the first band I fell in love with was Genesis - OLD, Peter Gabriel era Genesis...very classical (just listen to the title track for The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway). Don't bother buying Genesis past the Gabriel era.


You'll be missing a lot of Steve Hackett's best work, then.
2013-01-26 08:55:30 PM
1 votes:
Nirvana had a two and a half album window of cool sounds.  Kurt Cobain was a crappy guitarist who got a hell of a lot more out of his talents than most people who are as crappy as him.  He played what sounded good to him and fit his ideas.

Comparing his guitar talents to EVH is silly.

Nirvana kicked hair bands in the ass and brought alternative to the forefront for a while.

EVH reinvented the farking instrument and influenced hundreds of thousands of musicians.  And he still does.

And fark everyone who doesn't like the 2012 Van Halen album with Dave.  Outside of Tattoo, which I still like, that record is a farking shot heard 'round the world.  That EVH could be so totally farked up on drugs, drink and psychosis a few short years ago and come back playing as good as ever is farking amazing.
2013-01-26 08:00:12 PM
1 votes:

DS1970: But technically it's not SRV's "Little Wing"...it's Hendrix' Little Wing adapted by SRV - said adaption is good, but doesn't touch the original.


Thank you. Very much this.

SRV was good, but ultimately not very original.
2013-01-26 06:46:36 PM
1 votes:
And as Eddie is to guitar, Alex is to drums, just somehow he gets less attention for it.
2013-01-26 06:41:27 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-01-26 06:37:19 PM
1 votes:
The best guitar players in the world are unknown and will always be. Famous "guitar" players are famous because they're great songwriters or they are in a band with a great songwriter.

There's an 11 year old chinese kid that is a better player than anyone on that long list of electric single solo players..
2013-01-26 06:24:24 PM
1 votes:
Most underrated: Terry Kath
2013-01-26 05:58:58 PM
1 votes:
Prince was definitely better than Cobain, at least.

/John Mayer is #1 obviously...
2013-01-26 05:44:08 PM
1 votes:

Kyosuke: Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
...
Nuno Bettencourt

1. You've obviously never heard Prince play guitar.
2. I hate seeing long lists like this and seeing that Mike Oldfield has been left off again.


Sorry, I don't think I've heard Oldfield play guitar, but I'll look him up on Youtube. Prince may not be the agreed upon #1 guitar player, but he is an excellent guitar player. You're an idiot if you think that Prince's skill is "average".
2013-01-26 05:44:00 PM
1 votes:
Who cares about all that, just look at this:

www.blogcdn.com

Weren't they just the cutest couple EVER?
2013-01-26 05:38:29 PM
1 votes:
the best

/suck it haters
2013-01-26 05:22:56 PM
1 votes:
Debate? There's no debate.

Zappa.
2013-01-26 05:20:31 PM
1 votes:

qsblues: ...keep in mind, EVH was 10 times the rhythm player than he was a soloist...


This, although the excellent meter that makes him a great rhythm player certainly contributed positively to his soloing talent.

If more guitarists started as drummers EVH wouldn't have stood out so much.
2013-01-26 05:04:02 PM
1 votes:
Cobain was a great lyricist but an average guitarist. EVH played a great guitar. I don't know if he ever wrote any songs.
2013-01-26 04:58:30 PM
1 votes:

ZoSo_the_Crowe: Funbags: From a virtuosity standpoint, Jeff Beck is first and its not even close.

You know, I agree!


Umm. no, unless your definition of "virtuosity" is rather narrow.
2013-01-26 03:57:58 PM
1 votes:

Funbags: /Cobain is outside the top 20
//Van Halen is outside the top 100.


LOLWUT.

I don't hold Eddie as much of anything besides a flashy showman, but he's more interesting than Cobain.
2013-01-26 03:50:39 PM
1 votes:
I'm going out on a limb and postulating that Eddie can play guitar a lot better than Kurt can right now.
2013-01-26 03:42:01 PM
1 votes:
What a load of self-indulgent crap.
 
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