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2013-01-26 03:19:07 PM  
What debate? Whose wife did more damage to their career?
 
2013-01-26 03:22:02 PM  

tfresh: What debate? Whose wife did more damage to their career?


There isn't really any debate about this, either, considering Valerie didn't ruin Eddie's opportunity to, you know, turn 56.
 
2013-01-26 03:22:58 PM  
and we're done
 
2013-01-26 03:24:44 PM  

tfresh: What debate?

 
2013-01-26 03:29:06 PM  
Obviously, Eddie is an infinitely more talented guitarist. In fact, Cobain pretty much sucked at guitar.

Still, Nirvana remains my all time favorite band.
 
2013-01-26 03:29:37 PM  
Came to thread to see if there's some meme/joke. I'm unfamiliar with.

I *like* Nirvana, but never thought to include Cobain in any list of "Guitar Greats". I don't like VanHalen, but would include Eddie in that list.
 
2013-01-26 03:29:39 PM  

Robert1966: tfresh: What debate? Whose wife did more damage to their career?

There isn't really any debate about this, either, considering Valerie didn't ruin Eddie's opportunity to, you know, turn 56.


Maybe he meant the "their" to be the wives. I'd say Courtney; Valerie's still got that show that I haven't seen.
 
2013-01-26 03:29:51 PM  
Cobain was more like Hendrix than Halen. It's about feeling that there's a person behind the guitar. Not hearing the guitar do gymnastics.

Van Halen is uber-talented. And fun.
 
2013-01-26 03:29:55 PM  

doczoidberg: Obviously, Eddie is an infinitely more talented guitarist. In fact, Cobain pretty much sucked at guitar.

Still, Nirvana remains my all time favorite band.


Thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2013-01-26 03:31:28 PM  
What debate do we get to have next, the Berkeley Non-Contact Everybody-Gets-A-Trophy Flag Football JV vs. the '85 Bears?
 
2013-01-26 03:34:54 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: doczoidberg: Obviously, Eddie is an infinitely more talented guitarist. In fact, Cobain pretty much sucked at guitar.

Still, Nirvana remains my all time favorite band.

Thatsthejoke.jpg


Yes, I know that, but I still wanted to comment.

I was listening to a Nirvana live album yesterday, and as much as it had me rocking out, I still kept thinking, "Jebus, Kurt. Could you never play a single note CLEARLY?"
 
2013-01-26 03:42:01 PM  
What a load of self-indulgent crap.
 
2013-01-26 03:43:14 PM  
If Cobain hadn't had buckshot for breakfast one morning, he and the boys would be eating omelettes on a cruise ship with Marcy Playground and the Gin Blossoms right about now.
 
2013-01-26 03:50:39 PM  
I'm going out on a limb and postulating that Eddie can play guitar a lot better than Kurt can right now.
 
2013-01-26 03:52:02 PM  

theorellior: If Cobain hadn't had buckshot for breakfast one morning, he and the boys would be eating omelettes on a cruise ship with Marcy Playground and the Gin Blossoms right about now.


I doubt this very, very highly.

/Oh, and Ditka v.s. God
 
2013-01-26 03:53:10 PM  
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2013-01-26 03:55:54 PM  
I would have picked Randy Rhoads then you might have had an argument; damn shame he didn't make it to 56...

xxcultradio.com
 
2013-01-26 03:56:05 PM  
From a virtuosity standpoint, Prince is first and its not even close.

/Cobain is outside the top 20
//Van Halen is outside the top 100.
///I dare any Farker to disagree that there are no fewer than 100 more skilled guitarists than Eddie Van Halen, who is in fact, a mediocre guitar player
////Come on, out yourselves.
 
Skr
2013-01-26 03:57:50 PM  
Not really getting the headline comparison, must just be a "conversation starter" type deal.

Personally I've always enjoyed Nirvana's loose and raw feeling to the guitar and other arrangements. I can't see it ever being meant to be considered higher guitar artform... just a bunch of guys that were enjoying making garage music and ended up stumbling into fame.
I hate to make the comparison but it felt like the same feeling that autotune gives artists these days "Hey, I could do that!" Of course just because many people can emulate it, doesn't mean they should.

/for all its flaws, Unplugged in New York is one of my favorite CDs.
 
2013-01-26 03:57:58 PM  

Funbags: /Cobain is outside the top 20
//Van Halen is outside the top 100.


LOLWUT.

I don't hold Eddie as much of anything besides a flashy showman, but he's more interesting than Cobain.
 
2013-01-26 04:01:35 PM  
I guess jumping is cheaper than buying gun and bullets
 
2013-01-26 04:14:20 PM  
www.blogginginamerica.com
He's dead, Jim.
 
2013-01-26 04:20:04 PM  
Sweep the leg!
www.jdmfilmreviews.com
Defeated Lucifer's best guitar player... now voice of 'Gibby' on Robot Chicken

Hail Satan?
 
2013-01-26 04:24:56 PM  
I think I'm older than many FARKers. That PLUS being a guitarist myself, I would make the claim that Eddie is a very under-rated guitarist at this point. I remember well when VH1 came out...holy f*ck, Eddie turned the guitar world around!

EV's problem as a guitarist was that he never really progressed as a guitarist - the first two VH albums showed Eddie at his best.

Now you've got these great guitar soloists...Satch, Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, Tobin Abasi, John Petrucci, etc. - these guitarists are outstanding and are constantly innovating. Eddie never really did that, which is his downfall.

Besides, any so-called "VanHalen" fan who hasn't heard the first two albums? WTF?! Just ignore anything VH did during or after the Hagar era.

Cobain? I could teach any student his material and - allowing said student actually practices - within 30 days they could emulate his guitar.

For some evidence of my claim, click on the link below and try to tell me this Vai tune (called "Building the Church" and performed live) isn't a guitar-players dream. It's expressive, soulful in its way, as well as being virtuoso in technique.

Link
 
2013-01-26 04:25:51 PM  
I didn't know Cobain was in Van Halen! I thought he was just a one-hit-wonder.
 
2013-01-26 04:27:12 PM  
There are alot of guitar players that cite EVH as the best and a direct influence.

But then again there are as many bands that cite Cobain.

However too many guitar players worry about every little thing and never play out.

A band that never plays out rarely lasts so the influence is and will always be greater.
 
2013-01-26 04:36:42 PM  
Obviously a successful and influential guitarist...
But that goes on for 11 minutes? No thanks.

/subby deserves THOTY (Troll Headline Of The Year)
 
kab
2013-01-26 04:37:55 PM  
Ah, it's the weekly "music is a contest" thread.
 
2013-01-26 04:40:19 PM  

Funbags: From a virtuosity standpoint, Prince is first and its not even close.

/Cobain is outside the top 20
//Van Halen is outside the top 100.
///I dare any Farker to disagree that there are no fewer than 100 more skilled guitarists than Eddie Van Halen, who is in fact, a mediocre guitar player
////Come on, out yourselves.


well, that opens a can of shiat right there ....
Prior to 1979, there was Hendrix, Frank Marino and Robert Fripp in the rock guitar pantheon, then along came EVH and changed the game for everyone.
meanwhile, Allan Holdsworth laughed maniacally at them all ...

As a guitarist, there are 4 schools of guitar you MUST KNOW:
Chuck Berry, Hendrix, EVH and the blues. Hell, name 5 guitarists who are known by JUST THEIR FIRST NAME, and you have an icon.
sure, 10 year old kids cut their teeth on "Eruption" in every Guitar Center across the country, but Eddie farkING WROTE IT.

DS1970: I think I'm older than many FARKers. That PLUS being a guitarist myself, I would make the claim that Eddie is a very under-rated guitarist at this point. I remember well when VH1 came out...holy f*ck, Eddie turned the guitar world around!

EV's problem as a guitarist was that he never really progressed as a guitarist - the first two VH albums showed Eddie at his best.

Now you've got these great guitar soloists...Satch, Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, Tobin Abasi, John Petrucci, etc. - these guitarists are outstanding and are constantly innovating. Eddie never really did that, which is his downfall.

Besides, any so-called "VanHalen" fan who hasn't heard the first two albums? WTF?! Just ignore anything VH did during or after the Hagar era.

Cobain? I could teach any student his material and - allowing said student actually practices - within 30 days they could emulate his guitar.

For some evidence of my claim, click on the link below and try to tell me this Vai tune (called "Building the Church" and performed live) isn't a guitar-players dream. It's expressive, soulful in its way, as well as being virtuoso in technique.

Link


You bring up a lot of good points, but keep in mind, EVH was 10 times the rhythm player than he was a soloist, as are most great guitarists. He did some quality stuff with Sammy Hagar, even if it wasn't "Fair Warning" type stratospheric quality, there was some mean chops on them there records. To say that he never really progressed his technique is a vast under-appreciation of the man and his music. Sure, he's a corporate sellout whore now, but there's a reason people kill each other to have him endorse their products. The man is a guitar god, period.

Cobain? not so much ...
 
2013-01-26 04:44:34 PM  

Funbags: From a virtuosity standpoint, Jeff Beck is first and its not even close.


You know, I agree!
 
2013-01-26 04:51:53 PM  
I love Kurt Cobain.

/my favorite guitarist
//gonna watch me some Nirvana Unplugged
 
2013-01-26 04:52:37 PM  
Jimmy Page hasn't been mentioned yet. He was kind of a big deal back in the day.
 
2013-01-26 04:53:56 PM  
I don't think zombie Curt Cobain can make it to the guitar battle.
 
kab
2013-01-26 04:56:24 PM  
One of the problems with this argument (and there are many problems with it) is that you're comparing a guitarist who writes songs to a songwriter who happens to play guitar.

And yes, they're 2 very different things.
 
2013-01-26 04:58:30 PM  

ZoSo_the_Crowe: Funbags: From a virtuosity standpoint, Jeff Beck is first and its not even close.

You know, I agree!


Umm. no, unless your definition of "virtuosity" is rather narrow.
 
2013-01-26 05:02:29 PM  
Frontrunner for Troll Headline Of the Year
 
2013-01-26 05:04:02 PM  
Cobain was a great lyricist but an average guitarist. EVH played a great guitar. I don't know if he ever wrote any songs.
 
2013-01-26 05:20:31 PM  

qsblues: ...keep in mind, EVH was 10 times the rhythm player than he was a soloist...


This, although the excellent meter that makes him a great rhythm player certainly contributed positively to his soloing talent.

If more guitarists started as drummers EVH wouldn't have stood out so much.
 
2013-01-26 05:22:56 PM  
Debate? There's no debate.

Zappa.
 
2013-01-26 05:23:33 PM  

Eufah Kennidiets: Umm. no, unless your definition of "virtuosity" is rather narrow.


Ability to produce new, unique sounds. That's virtuosity as a musician, any instrument. Not how cleanly and quickly you can play.
 
2013-01-26 05:24:10 PM  

zinny: Debate? There's no debate.

Zappa.


Dweezil is pretty damn good.
 
2013-01-26 05:29:01 PM  
Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.
 
2013-01-26 05:33:25 PM  

Funbags: From a virtuosity standpoint, Prince is first and its not even close.

/Cobain is outside the top 20
//Van Halen is outside the top 100.
///I dare any Farker to disagree that there are no fewer than 100 more skilled guitarists than Eddie Van Halen, who is in fact, a mediocre guitar player
////Come on, out yourselves.


Nonsense. EVH was a once-in-a-generation game changer. Even his most ardent detractors must concede that. Point, set, match.
 
2013-01-26 05:33:31 PM  

Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt


1. You've obviously never heard Prince play guitar.
2. I hate seeing long lists like this and seeing that Mike Oldfield has been left off again.
 
2013-01-26 05:38:29 PM  
the best

/suck it haters
 
2013-01-26 05:42:59 PM  

whither_apophis: the best

/suck it haters


I don't know about The Best, but she is damn good.

/already owns most of her guitar albums
 
2013-01-26 05:43:30 PM  

ZoSo_the_Crowe: Eufah Kennidiets: Umm. no, unless your definition of "virtuosity" is rather narrow.

Ability to produce new, unique sounds. That's virtuosity as a musician, any instrument. Not how cleanly and quickly you can play.


Yup. Jeff Beck is one of the most expressive guitar players alive.

It's an ironic statement, really. Thinking that speed = technique is the narrow viewpoint here. Take David Gilmour, and let's consider his iconic guitar solo from "Another Brick In The Wall". It's extremely technical, as technical as anything Yngwie or EVH ever produced. Don't believe me? Sit down and learn to play it. Not just the notes, anyone can do that. Learn every detail and nuance, every little bend, every little tweak, every special articulation. Study and practice it until you can play it identically to the recording, if you can, then talk to me about how it isn't technical.

Done with that? Great - now sit down and learn Jeff Beck's "Freeway Jam", or "Cause We've Ended As Lovers", again with every little nuance, detail and articulation. You will soon discover it's twice as hard as the Gilmour piece.

Beck is a virtuoso in every sense of the word. What's more, if you watch him today, you can see and hear how his style and feel have progressed over the years. His use of vibrato in particular is jaw-dropping.

Speed is just speed, anyone can become speedy with enough practice. Feel can't be taught, and IMO is much more impressive.
 
2013-01-26 05:44:00 PM  
Who cares about all that, just look at this:

www.blogcdn.com

Weren't they just the cutest couple EVER?
 
2013-01-26 05:44:08 PM  

Kyosuke: Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
...
Nuno Bettencourt

1. You've obviously never heard Prince play guitar.
2. I hate seeing long lists like this and seeing that Mike Oldfield has been left off again.


Sorry, I don't think I've heard Oldfield play guitar, but I'll look him up on Youtube. Prince may not be the agreed upon #1 guitar player, but he is an excellent guitar player. You're an idiot if you think that Prince's skill is "average".
 
2013-01-26 05:47:25 PM  
Everything is better with the puppy bowl locker room audio in the background.
 
2013-01-26 05:50:27 PM  

skinink: Cobain was a great lyricist but an average guitarist. EVH played a great guitar. I don't know if he ever wrote any songs.


EVH wrote most if not all of the great VH songs, and as was pointed out elsewhere, is an even better rhythm player than he is a soloist, although that aspect of his playing goes largely unheralded.

The argument I made for Gilmour and Beck above, about learning every little nuance of their material to realize how technical they are in spite of their lack of sheer speed, goes just as well for the speedy EVH too. Learning his rhythmic guitar playing is, IMO, even harder than learning his solos (which are no walk in the park).

People point to the first two albums, but I point to 1984. Yes, the album with "Jump" on it. But skip "Jump", and listen to "Hot For Teacher", "Drop Dead Legs", "Girl Gone Bad", or even "Panama". All incredibly difficult rhythm parts and some of his most inspired solo playing since the first album at the time.
 
2013-01-26 05:56:20 PM  
I'd like to see Kurt Cobain do this.
 
2013-01-26 05:57:39 PM  

Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.


yet, everyone on this list would agree, (with the possible exception of Jeff Beck), that Allan Holdsworth would wipe the floor with any one of them, and they would be thankful for him doing it.

Yes, he IS THAT good.
 
2013-01-26 05:58:58 PM  
Prince was definitely better than Cobain, at least.

/John Mayer is #1 obviously...
 
2013-01-26 05:59:05 PM  

skinink: Sorry, I don't think I've heard Oldfield play guitar, but I'll look him up on Youtube.


He's mostly known as a composer and multi-instrumentalist, but I did find a decent example of him playing live: Link. Warning: it's from 1981, so there may be European hippies.
His most famous work is Tubular Bells, BTW.
 
2013-01-26 05:59:28 PM  
I am not knowledgeble enough when it comes to guitar playing to call someone the "best", but I saw Van Halen half a dozen times in the late 70's and Eddie was certainly my favorite guitar player to see in concert back then.  I thought his playing was incredible and he always seemed to be having a damn good time.
 
2013-01-26 06:02:37 PM  
Steve Stevens was missing from that list also.
 
2013-01-26 06:03:45 PM  

DS1970: For some evidence of my claim, click on the link below and try to tell me this Vai tune (called "Building the Church" and performed live) isn't a guitar-players dream. It's expressive, soulful in its way, as well as being virtuoso in technique.


There will never, ever be a song that tops SRV's "Little Wing" in my book for feel.  If you can't feel what he's playing, you just plain won't ever get it.
 
2013-01-26 06:06:10 PM  

Kyosuke: Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

1. You've obviously never heard Prince play guitar.
2. I hate seeing long lists like this and seeing that Mike Oldfield has been left off again.


1) I have...meh...very meh.
2) Like I said, I probably missed a few, and he too is >>>>>>> prince.
 
2013-01-26 06:07:18 PM  
This far in and no "I can't drive 55" jokes?

Farkers, I am disappoint.
 
2013-01-26 06:07:27 PM  

qsblues: Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.

yet, everyone on this list would agree, (with the possible exception of Jeff Beck), that Allan Holdsworth would wipe the floor with any one of them, and they would be thankful for him doing it.

Yes, he IS THAT good.


Please bold.
 
2013-01-26 06:11:11 PM  

doczoidberg: Obviously, Eddie is an infinitely more talented guitarist. In fact, Cobain pretty much sucked at guitar.


[That's the Joke.jpg]


/sheesh
 
2013-01-26 06:13:30 PM  
Dogfacedgod:

1. You've obviously never heard Prince play guitar.
2. I hate seeing long lists like this and seeing that Mike Oldfield has been left off again.

1) I have...meh...very meh.
2) Like I said, I probably missed a few, and he too is >>>>>>> prince.


I'm no fan, but if you think Prince is a 'meh' guitarist, you weren't listening.
 
2013-01-26 06:16:19 PM  

FriarReb98: DS1970: For some evidence of my claim, click on the link below and try to tell me this Vai tune (called "Building the Church" and performed live) isn't a guitar-players dream. It's expressive, soulful in its way, as well as being virtuoso in technique.

There will never, ever be a song that tops SRV's "Little Wing" in my book for feel.  If you can't feel what he's playing, you just plain won't ever get it.


Agree. And he doesn't ruin it by singing those middle-school lyrics.
 
2013-01-26 06:20:07 PM  

skinink: Kyosuke: Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
...
Nuno Bettencourt

1. You've obviously never heard Prince play guitar.
2. I hate seeing long lists like this and seeing that Mike Oldfield has been left off again.

Sorry, I don't think I've heard Oldfield play guitar, but I'll look him up on Youtube. Prince may not be the agreed upon #1 guitar player, but he is an excellent guitar player. You're an idiot if you think that Prince's skill is "average".


I didn't know Prince was anything on guitar until I heard this...
Link
(jump in @ 3:20 if you must)

Not as good as his best live versions of Purple Rain where he's just making love to that guitar on stage. Those were mostly taken down.
 
2013-01-26 06:21:07 PM  

Dahnkster: Sweep the leg!
[www.jdmfilmreviews.com image 359x239]
Defeated Lucifer's best guitar player... now voice of 'Gibby' on Robot Chicken

Hail Satan?


Given that the actual playing was done by Ry Cooder, the music in the film is actually really good...
 
2013-01-26 06:24:24 PM  
Most underrated: Terry Kath
 
2013-01-26 06:28:11 PM  
I'm in my 40's and am currently in poor health and even I am now glaring at you all as if you're in a slow mo fight with sharpened canes and walkers. OH! Look! I found yer pics!
thetvcritic.org

I think it is high time the superiority of the younger generations, due to a combination of technical skill and sheer speed, especially weirdo Finns like Alexi Laiho, is acknowledged. Let those old dudes slip into the obscurity (read: grave) into which they belong.

farm3.static.flickr.com


/no, I will not get off your lawn
 
2013-01-26 06:37:19 PM  
The best guitar players in the world are unknown and will always be. Famous "guitar" players are famous because they're great songwriters or they are in a band with a great songwriter.

There's an 11 year old chinese kid that is a better player than anyone on that long list of electric single solo players..
 
2013-01-26 06:39:42 PM  
Ry Cooder didnt play the guitar parts in the duel- that was all Steve Vai.
 
2013-01-26 06:41:27 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-26 06:44:03 PM  
Hey long list guy:

J. Garcia?
Robby Krieger?

Guilty Pleasure:
Jerry Reed
 
2013-01-26 06:46:36 PM  
And as Eddie is to guitar, Alex is to drums, just somehow he gets less attention for it.
 
2013-01-26 06:48:50 PM  

Rumpertumpskin: Hey long list guy:

J. Garcia?


I believe he was left out because long list guy was mentioning talented guitarists.
 
2013-01-26 06:54:59 PM  
*cough*Per Nilsson*cough*
 
2013-01-26 06:55:28 PM  
List fails without Unkown Henson.
 
2013-01-26 07:11:38 PM  
I love how Cobain plays(ed) the guitar despite his lack of technical prowess. Eddie is very talented but for me anyway, is the poster child for ' just because you can, doesn't mean you should '. Nails on a chalkboard guitar wankery a la malmsteen or vai just doesn't move me in the slightest.
 
2013-01-26 07:12:50 PM  
You said Michael schencker twice.
 
2013-01-26 07:14:21 PM  

inert: I'd like to see Kurt Cobain do this.


Weird. I wouldn't. Then again I wouldn't want to see anyone do... that. Whatever that was.
 
2013-01-26 07:23:24 PM  

FriarReb98: DS1970: For some evidence of my claim, click on the link below and try to tell me this Vai tune (called "Building the Church" and performed live) isn't a guitar-players dream. It's expressive, soulful in its way, as well as being virtuoso in technique.

There will never, ever be a song that tops SRV's "Little Wing" in my book for feel.  If you can't feel what he's playing, you just plain won't ever get it.


Love it, play it. But technically it's not SRV's "Little Wing"...it's Hendrix' Little Wing adapted by SRV - said adaption is good, but doesn't touch the original. For me, though, I'm again a bit older and did not become a Hendrix fan BECAUSE of SRV (which many people did - "discover Hendrix" via SRV) but rather was a Hendrix fan YEARS before Stevie was a "thing". IMHO, SRV can't even touch Hendrix: Just listen to Hendrix...NOT the "hits" that still get played, but rather, e.g. the entire Are You Experienced? album, etc. Hendrix seamlessly combined styles like the blues with jazz and even "acid"/futuristic rock...just listen to it!

Plus, as a guitarist - and this is just me, personally - I gravitate towards the "virtuoso" type playing which goes hand in hand with instrumental rock, your basic Dream Theatre groups and the like. I was trained on classical piano since 4 and just gravitated to that type of rock. For instance, the first band I fell in love with was Genesis - OLD, Peter Gabriel era Genesis...very classical (just listen to the title track for The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway). Don't bother buying Genesis past the Gabriel era.

Being a guitar virtuoso to me is not purely about technique - you still have to make the music have feeling. If you don't, you're guitar playing ability is nothing more than a movie based only on special effects. Sure, they look good and you're satisfied while in the theatre, but an hour later, it's totally out of your mind. Now take a The Godfather or Goodfellas movie...great story, makes you think and you could see it over and over.

BTW!!! - for any guitar fan who would love to hear famous rock guitarists adapt other songs? Pick up "Merry Axemas" plus the 2nd CD of that series. You get known guitar players (actual examples: Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Jeff Beck, Al DiMeola, Ted Nugent, Neal Schon, Alex Lifeson, etc.) covering classic Xmas songs. Steve Vai's "Christmas Time is Here" (you know...Peanuts) cover is alone worth the entire CD price.
 
2013-01-26 07:42:17 PM  

Lord Schtupp: I would have picked Randy Rhoads then you might have had an argument; damn shame he didn't make it to 56...

[xxcultradio.com image 417x437]


No doubt about that.
 
2013-01-26 07:55:38 PM  

Dogfacedgod: Chet Atkins


If you're going to include Chet Atkins on that list, I'll submit that Roy Clark should also be listed.
 
2013-01-26 08:00:12 PM  

DS1970: But technically it's not SRV's "Little Wing"...it's Hendrix' Little Wing adapted by SRV - said adaption is good, but doesn't touch the original.


Thank you. Very much this.

SRV was good, but ultimately not very original.
 
2013-01-26 08:00:25 PM  
Didn't really hear a lot of good guitar playing, just a lot of noise. Anybody can make noise. It's taking that noise and making something that's enjoyable to listen to is the trick.
 
2013-01-26 08:06:15 PM  

FriarReb98: DS1970: For some evidence of my claim, click on the link below and try to tell me this Vai tune (called "Building the Church" and performed live) isn't a guitar-players dream. It's expressive, soulful in its way, as well as being virtuoso in technique.

There will never, ever be a song that tops SRV's "Little Wing" in my book for feel.  If you can't feel what he's playing, you just plain won't ever get it.


BTW, did you watch/listen to the entire Vai song I linked? Not a challenge, just curious whether you did or not - no worries.

If you did, one thing I love about this video is it shows fairly close-up what he (Vai) is doing. It's like a months' worth of guitar lessons. Plus I loved how he incorporated the violin in a Zappesque harmonies way.
 
2013-01-26 08:08:14 PM  

Rumpertumpskin: Hey long list guy:

J. Garcia?
Robby Krieger?

Guilty Pleasure:
Jerry Reed


Link
 
2013-01-26 08:28:41 PM  
Hughie Thomasson.
 
2013-01-26 08:28:47 PM  
It's music. It's subjective in some respects, quantitative in others. I like cobain, I like Eddie. I think Jeff Beck is a genius but I also enjoy Edge and the manner in wish he turns the instrument on its head. Steve Vai is amazing but I'm not certain a more perfect solo in terms of emotion has ever been played but the rather simplistic solo George played on Something.

So... There's that.
 
2013-01-26 08:31:50 PM  

acad1228: Roy Clark


This.

Guitar wizard
 
2013-01-26 08:33:16 PM  
And also another vote for Frank, as well.
 
2013-01-26 08:33:45 PM  
I like to group guitarists into .... well, groups. According to their playing style.

Basic 50's/early60's style Rocker guitarists: Chuck Berry, Angus Young, Keith Richards

Technically Proficient but lacking feeling/heart: Steve Vai, Eddie Van Halen, virtually all 1980's Hair metal guitarists

Technically Proficient AND with feeling/heart: Fripp, Eric Clapton, Zappa, Mike Oldfield, Tom Verlaine, (and also, not trolling, but Slash too)

Basic 50/60 style rocker with feeling/heart: Neil Young

Claim to "not be technically proficient/great"* but have tons of feeling and heart: Mark Knopfler, David Gilmour

Hendrix and his followers: Adrian Belew, Eddie Van Halen, Mike McCready, Johnny Greenwood

Proggy (but also tech plus feeling/heart, aka "the Two Steves"): Steve Hackett, Steve Hillage

(* I remember reading about both MK and DG in seperate interviews....
MK saying in 85 how he didn't consider himself a great guitarist, he's still a studen, always learning, etc.
DG saying in the late 80's/early 90's about how he admits he's not technically great, has simple playing but makes up for it with heart and soul, etc. )
 
2013-01-26 08:37:44 PM  

Ravijn: Rumpertumpskin: Hey long list guy:

J. Garcia?
Robby Krieger?

Guilty Pleasure:
Jerry Reed

Link


awesome rav... now outta my head!
BTW...
I have been waitinf for this topic to pop up on Fark... but has not so I'll ask.

I'm wondering if anyone hee has seen "Searching for Sugarman"
about Sixto Rodriguez....

Do you think the talent equals the myth?
Did America miss the boat on Rodriguez?

I thought it was a well done flick despite the claims some make regarding dramatic licence in regards
to his popularity in Australia mid-to late 80s and how that topic was avoided.

About a week before I saw the doc... I had a complete non-sequitur pop in my head. I was remembering in H.S. (mid-80s) every issue of Rolling Stone, I would turn to the back page and first check the U.S. top ten vs. British and whichever foreign top 10 RS would publish that issue. It was always interesting to see what was popular in other countries vs. USA. I remember sone really obscure stuff rearing up in Brit top 10. For some reason that would amuse me. Then i would decide if this was the bi-week to buy a Bud Strance T-shirt (never did, should have)...
 
2013-01-26 08:41:05 PM  
tshirt:
should have read "Bud Strange"
 
2013-01-26 08:53:18 PM  

Gulper Eel: What debate do we get to have next, the Berkeley Non-Contact Everybody-Gets-A-Trophy Flag Football JV vs. the '85 Bears?


Berkeley?
 
2013-01-26 08:55:30 PM  
Nirvana had a two and a half album window of cool sounds.  Kurt Cobain was a crappy guitarist who got a hell of a lot more out of his talents than most people who are as crappy as him.  He played what sounded good to him and fit his ideas.

Comparing his guitar talents to EVH is silly.

Nirvana kicked hair bands in the ass and brought alternative to the forefront for a while.

EVH reinvented the farking instrument and influenced hundreds of thousands of musicians.  And he still does.

And fark everyone who doesn't like the 2012 Van Halen album with Dave.  Outside of Tattoo, which I still like, that record is a farking shot heard 'round the world.  That EVH could be so totally farked up on drugs, drink and psychosis a few short years ago and come back playing as good as ever is farking amazing.
 
2013-01-26 08:58:22 PM  
Rumpertumpskin

re: Rodriguez:

I heard a small doc on cbc radio about it, with a few of his songs on it.
I think he's nothing SUPER special, but certainly not bad.
He's a good songwriter (I especially like some of his lyrics) in typical protesty/anti-establishment late 60's vein. No real different from Dylan, or Love, etc.
But for every good song like that from that era, there's a cheezy one. And to be fair some of his stuff is a little cheezy now, listening to it in this current era.

But obviously it struck a nerve (or chord) with SOME people, considering how incredibly popular he was in South Africa, and Australia.
Success in American isn't necessarily the be-all / end-all in terms of popularity and success. Some Canadian or UK or European groups never were popular in the US, but retained huge crowds in their home country.

examples: "Budgie". Blues/rock/prog trio from Wales. They were quite popular in the UK, but never made it in the US. EXCEPT, curiously, in Texas. They had a HUGE cult following there for some reason.

Tragically Hip: Canadian Band, been together since the late 80's. Us Canadians love them. They're almost like a Canadian Institution. They're in the blood, like Hockey or Beer. Yet they only reached the lower US charts, ie. #170. The only US place they seem to a little bit popular is northern US, by the Canadian Border.
 
2013-01-26 09:06:54 PM  
The good thing about Eddie Van Halen: He single handedly defined the 80s rock sound.

The bad thing about Eddie Van Halen: He single handedly defined the 80s rock sound.

The good thing about Kurt Cobain: He single handedly defined the 90s rock sound.

The bad thing about Kurt Cobain: He single handedly defined the 90s rock sound.
 
2013-01-26 09:17:15 PM  

js34603: Prince was definitely better than Cobain, at least.

/John Mayer is #1 obviously...


I know you're trolling, and I would never say that Mayer is "the best" by any means, but Mayer is certainly underrated.  I think his biggest problem is that his voice is not suited for rock, and he's found a niche for himself that is not rock.  But the guy can shred when he wants.

And Prince is a guitar god.  I won't declare anyone "the best" but Prince is damn good.
 
2013-01-26 09:17:51 PM  

Dogfacedgod: ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.


That's pretty much the complete "guy who works at Guitar Center" list. (Minus Prince, of course.)
How many of those people are cookie-cutter blues rockers, regurgitating whatever tired licks they hear in their own circles?
 
2013-01-26 09:20:12 PM  

I Like Bread: How many of those people are cookie-cutter blues rockers, regurgitating whatever tired licks they hear in their own circles?


All of them. All of the guitarists you like do the same thing.
 
2013-01-26 09:23:11 PM  

Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.


You said Jimmy Page twice.
 
2013-01-26 09:27:41 PM  

GRCooper: Came to thread to see if there's some meme/joke. I'm unfamiliar with.

I *like* Nirvana, but never thought to include Cobain in any list of "Guitar Greats". I don't like VanHalen, but would include Eddie in that list.


he's usually #8 in any magazine's list

kurt had soull maaaan
 
2013-01-26 09:28:17 PM  
J Robbins
Dave Knudsen
 
2013-01-26 09:32:56 PM  

DS1970: For instance, the first band I fell in love with was Genesis - OLD, Peter Gabriel era Genesis...very classical (just listen to the title track for The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway). Don't bother buying Genesis past the Gabriel era.


You'll be missing a lot of Steve Hackett's best work, then.
 
2013-01-26 09:53:17 PM  
No Jake E. Lee yet?
 
2013-01-26 10:06:51 PM  
EVH was voted #1 guitarist of all time by people who actually play guitar, Guitar World Magazine readers. Cobain wasn't a musician, he was a mental patient who should have been in a hospital coloring so he wouldn't hurt himself, which, of course, he ended up doing.
 
2013-01-26 10:07:55 PM  
Rory F*cking Gallagher

www.lastoftheindependents.com
 
2013-01-26 10:12:18 PM  
weblogs.dailypress.com
 
2013-01-26 10:14:08 PM  
www.buzztwang.com
 
2013-01-26 10:14:37 PM  
www.stlblues.net
 
2013-01-26 10:21:57 PM  
There will never be a first place for guitar. But maybe for trolling. Good work subby.
 
2013-01-26 10:22:11 PM  

acad1228: Dogfacedgod: Chet Atkins

If you're going to include Chet Atkins on that list, I'll submit that Roy Clark should also be listed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxDQQDF6j0Y
 
2013-01-26 10:31:57 PM  
assets.rollingstone.com
 
2013-01-26 10:44:31 PM  
cdn.mos.musicradar.com
 
2013-01-26 11:08:33 PM  

Ready-set: Cobain was more like Hendrix than Halen. It's about feeling that there's a person behind the guitar. Not hearing the guitar do gymnastics.

Van Halen is uber-talented. And fun.


THIS.

There's no debate. It's two different genres of music. Each was good at what they did. The only exception is that Cobain didn't kick out the better singer and the better bass player.
 
2013-01-26 11:09:40 PM  
Being the best doesn't matter. All that matters is who is MY favorite. And that's J Mascis. So you can all stop arguing now.
 
2013-01-26 11:20:56 PM  
Kurt's wife:

www.rocksbackpages.com

Eddie's wife (the one who counts, anyhow)

imageshack.us

Who wins? Do I even have to ask?
And yes, their guitar skills equal their taste in women.
 
2013-01-26 11:36:35 PM  

farkstorm: [www.buzztwang.com image 308x320]


You're beautiful.


/and correct.
 
2013-01-26 11:37:39 PM  

tinyarena: and we're done


Yep, done in two. Let's close this one up and go home...
 
2013-01-26 11:38:06 PM  
Van Halen was going to be in Knoxville on August 4th before that was postponed due to VH having bit off more than they could chew. Then later in the year, Eddie had to have emergency surgery for a bad case of diverticulitis, which cancelled all remaining scheduled concerts. I hope when they get back on the road, they'll come to Knoxville. I haven't seen them since February 15 1992 when it was Van Hagar.
 
2013-01-26 11:39:51 PM  

farkstorm: [cdn.mos.musicradar.com image 640x480]


And now you've been favorited.
 
2013-01-26 11:43:19 PM  

DS1970: I think I'm older than many FARKers. That PLUS being a guitarist myself, I would make the claim that Eddie is a very under-rated guitarist at this point. I remember well when VH1 came out...holy f*ck, Eddie turned the guitar world around!

EV's problem as a guitarist was that he never really progressed as a guitarist - the first two VH albums showed Eddie at his best.

Now you've got these great guitar soloists...Satch, Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, Tobin Abasi, John Petrucci, etc. - these guitarists are outstanding and are constantly innovating. Eddie never really did that, which is his downfall.

Besides, any so-called "VanHalen" fan who hasn't heard the first two albums? WTF?! Just ignore anything VH did during or after the Hagar era.

Cobain? I could teach any student his material and - allowing said student actually practices - within 30 days they could emulate his guitar.

For some evidence of my claim, click on the link below and try to tell me this Vai tune (called "Building the Church" and performed live) isn't a guitar-players dream. It's expressive, soulful in its way, as well as being virtuoso in technique.

Link


Yeah Vai and Satch are pretty sweet... Amazing what they can do. I still think Eddie got soem chops, though. I was all excited to see them last summer in concert though, and I have been to bar gigs that were better. The only person who didn't have strikes against them was Wolfgang, I'm starting to think it was all a ploy to showcase him. Dave was totally incoherent, rambling from place to place, nobody saw the usually visible Alex until half way through the show, and nobody recognized the drum solo for what it was until THAT was halfway over. To top it off, he was either playing to a tape, or they had a keyboardist backstage for 'Jump!' and 'I'll Wait'. Not professional in any way, I woud rather see him sling the guitar across his back and play keyboards, rather than piss on my head and tell me it's raining. Hell, the giant video screen was actually the most impressive thing of the whole damned show.
 
2013-01-26 11:43:50 PM  
And by the way, not nearly enough love for Knopfler in this thread, in my not-so-humble-but-erudite opinion.
 
kab
2013-01-26 11:43:54 PM  
Some of my personal favorite guitarists, in no order:

Mikael Akerfeldt
Guthrie Govan
Jimmy Page
Derek Trucks
Jonny Greenwood
Alex Lifeson
Leo Kotke


/'the best' is a completely subjective entirely irrelevant debate that misses the point of music entirely.
 
2013-01-26 11:46:43 PM  

Rumpertumpskin: Hey long list guy:

J. Garcia?
Robby Krieger?

Guilty Pleasure:
Jerry Reed


Jerry Reed is surprisingly excellent.
Link
 
2013-01-27 12:02:17 AM  
Ritchie Blackmore
Gary Moore
Al DiMeola
Joe Bonamassa
SRV
Jeff Beck
Terry Kath
Steve Morse
Jim McCarty
Hendrix
 
2013-01-27 12:05:14 AM  
List fails without that time I threw my guitar into a wood chipper.

/Clapton
//sucks
 
2013-01-27 12:31:45 AM  
I like the Rocky George vs Kirk Hammett debate better:

LINK
 
2013-01-27 01:10:43 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: And fark everyone who doesn't like the 2012 Van Halen album with Dave. Outside of Tattoo, which I still like, that record is a farking shot heard 'round the world. That EVH could be so totally farked up on drugs, drink and psychosis a few short years ago and come back playing as good as ever is farking amazing.


BD-sides from 20 years ago do not a new album make.
 
2013-01-27 01:12:16 AM  
if you even think there is a debate on this you have never played guitar and are a complete and utter dip shiat.
 
2013-01-27 01:25:32 AM  
Gonna say John Mayer is the #1 most underrated mainstream guitar player. Most people know him for his pop songs but when you see him play the blues, damn hes got massive talent.

BUT... Mayer has the #1 Ugliest guitar playing faces in HISTORY!
 
2013-01-27 01:46:25 AM  

Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.


Nuno Bettencourt? What did you do? Find your favorite bands and look up the guitarist? Sure, Extreme has some good songs, but there's nothing special about Bettencourt.

And yeah, A lot of people who know talent are pretty impressed with Prince, even if they don't like his music. They're still able to admit that the man has some serious talent.

And dude, George Lynch? Really? I like Dokken as much as the next guy who lived in the 80's, and Lynch isn't the second coming of Hendrix or anything. Hell. I went to see the guy play a show and hung out on his tour bus afterwards, and I still don't think he's godlike in any way. Once again, sure he's good, but in a list with the likes of Steve Vai and Joe Satriani? You MUST be trolling.
 
2013-01-27 01:47:12 AM  

Flab: You said Jimmy Page twice.


Yeah, he said Michael Shencker twice too, I think he went through a list and just grabbed some names.
 
2013-01-27 01:56:22 AM  

kab: /'the best' is a completely subjective entirely irrelevant debate that misses the point of music entirely.


Yep... Rolling Stone did a pretty good writeup 8 or 9 years ago, and actually covered a wide range of genres and put eople on for different reasons other than burning up a fretboard with tap and pull harmonics as an electric version of Andres Segovia. The biggest surprise on the list? Joni Mitchell. It's been awhile, but the story was something like that she had issues from polio from childhood, and as a result, had trouble playing guitar, so she got around it with different tunings, not just for in the studio, but live on the road. Something like 100 different tunings that should would set up, and then manage on the fly.

There are a million things that make guitarists battle for that "top spot", and while Eddie might not be "The Greatest", he definitely brought something new to it that people are still playing al,most 30 years after he broke onto the scene.

/I still don't understand what ANYONE sees in Cobain. I'd rather go through the violence tempering program from A Clockwork Orange than listen to more than 2 Nirvana songs in one day. Except for Lake of Fire, I think they actually nailed that one better than the Meat Puppets.
 
2013-01-27 02:55:57 AM  

qsblues: yet, everyone on this list would agree, (with the possible exception of Jeff Beck), that Allan Holdsworth would wipe the floor with any one of them, and they would be thankful for him doing it.

Yes, he IS THAT good.


twimg0-a.akamaihd.net

"G'day mate..."
 
2013-01-27 03:20:12 AM  

qsblues: Sure, he's a corporate sellout whore now, but there's a reason people kill each other to have him endorse their products.


I have been tempted to buy a USA EVH Wolfgang. This guitar just looks like it would play itself. I saw a used one on eBay for buy it now $1700 and almost hit it, but wife. Also want a Carvin hollowbody.

www.americanmusical.com
 
2013-01-27 03:45:11 AM  
Apropos of something to be determined later (if at all):

Maggot Brain

Maggot Brain (redux)
 
2013-01-27 04:01:12 AM  
Well, since we're gonna do this, I'll throw in a vote for Lindsey Buckingham and his Travis-picking.

Never Going Back Again

The Chain

And for a bit of a more bombastic sound: I'm So Afraid
 
2013-01-27 04:25:26 AM  

Kyosuke: I Like Bread: How many of those people are cookie-cutter blues rockers, regurgitating whatever tired licks they hear in their own circles?

All of them. All of the guitarists you like do the same thing.


I don't know - Bob Drake is pretty out there.
 
2013-01-27 05:24:07 AM  
I think it is safe to say we all have ben remiss:
s7.postimage.org
 
2013-01-27 07:27:12 AM  
Why has satchel from steel panther not been mentioned?

As a guitarist myself there is way too much debate here, so many people think only rock guitarist are the good ones, where are brad paisley, tommy Emmanuel, Segovia on these lists?

Personal top five
Beck
Gilmour
Srv
Prince ( who can play tones of instruments)
John frusciante
 
2013-01-27 09:02:28 AM  
I would probably be the greatest guitarist of all time by now if I hadn't tried to learn to play using Ralph McTell's book.
 
2013-01-27 09:21:22 AM  

Mikey1969: Nuno Bettencourt? What did you do? Find your favorite bands and look up the guitarist? Sure, Extreme has some good songs, but there's nothing special about Bettencourt.


Nuno is an extremely talented technical guitarist. Not just for speed, but also for feel.

//Not an Extreme fan.
 
2013-01-27 09:34:01 AM  

Mikey1969:
Nuno Bettencourt? What did you do? Find your favorite bands and look up the guitarist? Sure, Extreme has some good songs, but there's nothing special about Bettencourt.

And yeah, A lot of people who know talent are pretty impressed with Prince, even if they don't like his music. They're still able to admit that the man has some serious talent.

And dude, George Lynch? Really? I like Dokken as much as the next guy who lived in the 80's, and Lynch isn't the second coming of Hendrix or anything. Hell. I went to see the guy play a show and hung out on his tour bus afterwards, and I still don't think he's godlike in any way. Once again, sure he's good, but in a list with the likes of Steve Vai and Joe Satriani? You MUST be trolling.


Nuno exhibit A - Link

Yep > Prince by a miles.

George Lynch exhibit A - Link

Wow, look at the > than prince by light years.


Now, what you obviously fail to understand that list was not a list of my favs (see John Petrucci), but a list that off the top of my head of guitarists who are tons a lot more talented than prince in response to the cock smuggler who said he was "the best evar!".

You show me anything prince has ever done (and I have seen his "best") that proves me wrong.
 
2013-01-27 09:35:08 AM  

Flab: Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.

You said Jimmy Page twice.


I like Jimmy "rape" page
 
2013-01-27 09:53:46 AM  
All this time and no one's mentioned Bill Frisell?
 
2013-01-27 10:07:16 AM  
Sorry, when I think "guitar" I don't think "Kurt Cobain."

There are only four guitarists who have such a distinctive sound I immediately know it's them when I hear them.  In no particular order:

Eddie Van Halen
David Gilmour
Prince
Eric Clapton

CSS--the first time I heard Paul McCartney's "No More Lonely Nights" and the guitar solo, I said "David Gilmour's playing that solo."  "OH BULLSHIAT!" said my friends ... until they saw the liner notes.

PS--Charo is pretty amazing, but so is Dolly Parton.
 
2013-01-27 10:25:57 AM  
mark knopfler.
 
2013-01-27 10:40:13 AM  
As a non-guitar player, I can't comment on virtuosity, I can only refer to the guitarist whose compositions routinely, and still after decades pf listening, give me goosebumps;

David Gilmour

Put a gun to my head and make me pick "the best guitarist", and I'm gonna hedge my bet and pick the guy most 'guitar gods' pick;

Jeff Beck

/play Comfortably Numb at my funeral ...
 
2013-01-27 11:01:20 AM  

Dogfacedgod: Flab: Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.

You said Jimmy Page twice.

I like Jimmy "rape" page


rockhall.com
Didn't
 
2013-01-27 11:07:42 AM  
That's one majorly English headline.
 
2013-01-27 11:10:00 AM  
I've only seen him mentioned by a couple of people here, but Alex Lifeson is quite possibly one of the best more UNDERATED guitarists on the planet.
 
2013-01-27 11:14:20 AM  

theorellior: All this time and no one's mentioned Bill Frisell?


or David Torn
 
2013-01-27 11:20:27 AM  

Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.


Mustaine!? At least you put Gilmour on the list. Check out Tim Reynolds for a good time (i'd check out a live version of the song "stream"). BTW, Prince or whatever his name is happens to be an amazing guitarist.
 
2013-01-27 12:43:20 PM  
I have to say that I'm impressed I haven't seen David Gilmour or Joe Bonamassa show up on anyone's lists. When those guys start a solo, you know exactly who it is--their sound and style is completely unique.
 
2013-01-27 12:47:08 PM  
I'll just leave this here. Blouses win.
Prince
 
2013-01-27 01:11:43 PM  

Mikey1969:
Nuno Bettencourt? What did you do? Find your favorite bands and look up the guitarist? Sure, Extreme has some good songs, but there's nothing special about Bettencourt.


I'm not an Extreme fan, but Nuno can farking play. Do your homework before you make a comment like this, kthxbye.
 
2013-01-27 01:16:34 PM  

Funbags: From a virtuosity standpoint, Prince is first and its not even close.

/Cobain is outside the top 20
//Van Halen is outside the top 100.
///I dare any Farker to disagree that there are no fewer than 100 more skilled guitarists than Eddie Van Halen, who is in fact, a mediocre guitar player
////Come on, out yourselves.


Since you are a musical idiot, it would be pointless to argue with you. We may win an argument with a retard, but you're still a retard. Prince is a great player. No question about that. Hell, he is probably as proficient in 20 other instruments as well because he's a musical freak of nature. But the rest? It would be more fun to debate the 100 different ways you are a moron.
 
2013-01-27 01:23:18 PM  
I'll chime in and agree that whomever stated Prince is "average" might as well just shut up because anything you say beyond that is immediately invalid.

Some great names already listed here, but I didn't see anyone mention Stanley Jordan. I don't think he's the greatest, but he deserves to be added to the list.

Fairly recent.

/kudos for those who mentioned Chet and Roy
 
2013-01-27 01:26:01 PM  

Farkomatic: Mikey1969:
Nuno Bettencourt? What did you do? Find your favorite bands and look up the guitarist? Sure, Extreme has some good songs, but there's nothing special about Bettencourt.

I'm not an Extreme fan, but Nuno can farking play. Do your homework before you make a comment like this, kthxbye.


He's not in the Rock God pantheon though. I stated that he was good, just not that he is an Elder God. There are far more amazing guitarists out there.

Read a post before you make a comment like this.
 
2013-01-27 02:14:39 PM  

Mikey1969: Farkomatic: Mikey1969:
Nuno Bettencourt? What did you do? Find your favorite bands and look up the guitarist? Sure, Extreme has some good songs, but there's nothing special about Bettencourt.

I'm not an Extreme fan, but Nuno can farking play. Do your homework before you make a comment like this, kthxbye.

He's not in the Rock God pantheon though. I stated that he was good, just not that he is an Elder God. There are far more amazing guitarists out there.

Read a post before you make a comment like this.


Sorry - I was just responding to what you said - that there is nothing special about Bettencourt's playing. You were wrong then and you're wrong now. Sure, there are better out there. But not many. And again, I say this as someone that couldn't care less about Extreme.
 
2013-01-27 02:31:00 PM  

Farkomatic: Mikey1969: Farkomatic: Mikey1969:
Nuno Bettencourt? What did you do? Find your favorite bands and look up the guitarist? Sure, Extreme has some good songs, but there's nothing special about Bettencourt.

I'm not an Extreme fan, but Nuno can farking play. Do your homework before you make a comment like this, kthxbye.

He's not in the Rock God pantheon though. I stated that he was good, just not that he is an Elder God. There are far more amazing guitarists out there.

Read a post before you make a comment like this.

Sorry - I was just responding to what you said - that there is nothing special about Bettencourt's playing. You were wrong then and you're wrong now. Sure, there are better out there. But not many. And again, I say this as someone that couldn't care less about Extreme.


Fair enough... I was mostly posting back at the dumbass who seemed to just do a Wiki search and then repeat some of the names to make the list longer anyway...
 
2013-01-27 02:34:08 PM  
Here's ^ a sample of Nuno not doing anything "special".
 
2013-01-27 02:57:50 PM  
No love for Mark Knopfler?

I love Mark Knopfler.

There.
 
2013-01-27 03:16:02 PM  

Psycoholic_Slag: No love for Mark Knopfler?

I love Mark Knopfler.


Mark Knopfler has an extraordinary ability to make a Schecter Custom Stratocaster hoot and sing like angels on a Saturday night, exhausted from being good all week and needing a stiff drink.
 
2013-01-27 03:18:33 PM  

Farkomatic: Here's ^ a sample of Nuno not doing anything "special".


I can't begin to tell you how many hours I spent learning to play the "Play With Me" guitar solo. And to see how effortlessly he plays it makes me realize that after 30 years of playing, I still suck.
 
2013-01-27 03:36:39 PM  

Punk Floyd: I didn't know Cobain was in Van Halen! I thought he was just a one-hit-wonder.


he had his shot at fame
 
2013-01-27 03:53:25 PM  

Farkomatic: Here's ^ a sample of Nuno not doing anything "special".


They also had Mangini. Pretty ridiculous list of talent, if you ask me.
 
2013-01-27 03:55:13 PM  

Psycoholic_Slag: No love for Mark Knopfler?

I love Mark Knopfler.

There.


Me too.
 
2013-01-27 03:59:57 PM  

jicon: I'll just leave this here. Blouses win.
Prince

If the term "Like a Boss" could be applied to a guitar solo, this one would be it.

Third_Uncle_Eno:
Proggy (but also tech plus feeling/heart, aka "the Two Three Steves"): Steve Hackett, Steve Hillage, Steve Howe
Yes man deserves a shout out here.

I don't care what anyone thinks of George Lynch, I flat out dig his playing, and his tone is unmistakable.

Also, because nobody mentioned these two guys, I'll post some Michael Angelo Batio and Rusty Cooley just for sheer shredding goodness.
Batio's picking technique is near flawless.
Link

Cooley shredding.
Link
Not much emotion, but, DAMN
 
2013-01-27 04:16:05 PM  

beerrun: I don't care what anyone thinks of George Lynch, I flat out dig his playing, and his tone is unmistakable.


Lynch is/was a victim of the band he made his bones in. Another example is Reb Beach. Incredible guitarist, but he was in...gasp...Winger...so therefore he must suck.
 
2013-01-27 04:20:11 PM  

mjbok: beerrun: I don't care what anyone thinks of George Lynch, I flat out dig his playing, and his tone is unmistakable.

Lynch is/was a victim of the band he made his bones in. Another example is Reb Beach. Incredible guitarist, but he was in...gasp...Winger...so therefore he must suck.


Didn't Reb replace Lynch in Dokken?

I actually liked Dokken back in the day. Don could actually sing, and Lynch was, well, Lynch.
 
2013-01-27 04:44:49 PM  
The most impressive thing to me about Batio is that he's ambidextrous.

He can play either right or left handed, or both at the same time. It looks over the top, but it's still impressive.
 
2013-01-27 04:47:34 PM  
Bears repeating:

imageshack.us

Through teenhood and then motherhood and putting up with Eddie for 20 years, through before and after Nutrisystem and today, I would hit it harder than the guitar strings of a Pete Towsend opening riff.
 
2013-01-27 04:55:49 PM  

beerrun: Didn't Reb replace Lynch in Dokken?


After they went to CMC. Beach has been in Dokken and Whitesnake (along with Winger).
 
2013-01-27 04:57:40 PM  

Mikey1969: Nuno Bettencourt? What did you do? Find your favorite bands and look up the guitarist? Sure, Extreme has some good songs, but there's nothing special about Bettencourt.

And yeah, A lot of people who know talent are pretty impressed with Prince, even if they don't like his music. They're still able to admit that the man has some serious talent.

And dude, George Lynch? Really? I like Dokken as much as the next guy who lived in the 80's, and Lynch isn't the second coming of Hendrix or anything. Hell. I went to see the guy play a show and hung out on his tour bus afterwards, and I still don't think he's godlike in any way. Once again, sure he's good, but in a list with the likes of Steve Vai and Joe Satriani? You MUST be trolling.


Dude. Nuno is a farking prodigy. His shiat was sick in 1985. He is the model after which rock and roll guitarists should be molded. If he had got involved with a better lead singer, and never went anywhere near "more than words" his career would have been a lot different.

As for George Lynch? You do know that before George Lynch, there were no frets for the flat 5th. He revolutionized the instrument.

And I know Prince is good, and have known it since the 80s, but, lately people like to point it out as if nobody else knows it, and as if that percieved obscurity somehow amplifies his prowess on the instrument. It doesn't. He is squarely in the middle to the back of the pack looking at that list. Mind you, I'm not even in the same dog park, but this isn't about me, so...
 
2013-01-27 05:45:04 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Bears repeating:

[imageshack.us image 233x400]

Through teenhood and then motherhood and putting up with Eddie for 20 years, through before and after Nutrisystem and today, I would hit it harder than the guitar strings of a Pete Towsend opening riff.


img2.timeinc.net
 
kab
2013-01-27 06:23:56 PM  

Mikey1969: Nuno Bettencourt? What did you do? Find your favorite bands and look up the guitarist? Sure, Extreme has some good songs, but there's nothing special about Bettencourt.


I know others have jumped on you for this statement, I just wanted to reiterate how dumb it was.
 
kab
2013-01-27 06:26:16 PM  

H31N0US: As for George Lynch? You do know that before George Lynch, there were no frets for the flat 5th. He revolutionized the instrument.


wtf am I reading.
 
2013-01-27 06:48:09 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Bears repeating:

[imageshack.us image 233x400]

Through teenhood and then motherhood and putting up with Eddie for 20 years, through before and after Nutrisystem and today, I would hit it harder than the guitar strings of a Pete Towsend opening riff.


Get in line.
 
2013-01-27 07:03:30 PM  
Cobain died, so obviously he's Jesus.
 
2013-01-27 07:04:34 PM  

kab: H31N0US: As for George Lynch? You do know that before George Lynch, there were no frets for the flat 5th. He revolutionized the instrument.

wtf am I reading.


I didn't get it either....
 
2013-01-27 07:37:22 PM  

Mini Ditka: kab: H31N0US: As for George Lynch? You do know that before George Lynch, there were no frets for the flat 5th. He revolutionized the instrument.

wtf am I reading.

I didn't get it either....


George Lynch plays a lot of songs using the flat 5th. Mr Scary, It's not Love...It's a cool ominous sound. It's kind of like his defining sound, like Zakk's pinch harmonics. I was being Lebowski.
 
2013-01-27 08:48:08 PM  

Eufah Kennidiets: The most impressive thing to me about Batio is that he's ambidextrous.

He can play either right or left handed, or both at the same time. It looks over the top, but it's still impressive.


Yes indeed!
double guitar shred

I've seen him live and it's really mind blowing when you see it in person.
Super nice guy, too.
 
2013-01-27 09:18:53 PM  

H31N0US: Dude. Nuno is a farking prodigy. His shiat was sick in 1985. He is the model after which rock and roll guitarists should be molded. If he had got involved with a better lead singer, and never went anywhere near "more than words" his career would have been a lot different.


Yeah, I'm sure he woulda sold the shiat outta Ernie Ball guitar strings at his local Sam Ash.
 
2013-01-27 10:51:20 PM  
beerrun
Third_Uncle_Eno:
Proggy (but also tech plus feeling/heart, aka "the Two Three Steves"): Steve Hackett, Steve Hillage, Steve Howe
Yes man deserves a shout out here.


oh crap! i KNEW I was forgetting someone ! thanks!
 
2013-01-27 10:54:11 PM  

Farkomatic: Mikey1969:
Nuno Bettencourt? What did you do? Find your favorite bands and look up the guitarist? Sure, Extreme has some good songs, but there's nothing special about Bettencourt.

I'm not an Extreme fan, but Nuno can farking play. Do your homework before you make a comment like this, kthxbye.


He can play, but I gotta agree with the comment: "There's nothing special about him." There isn't. I couldn't pick him out of 100 other fast guitar players, and neither could you.

Not necessarily a knock, just a fact.
 
2013-01-27 10:56:41 PM  

Farkomatic: Here's ^ a sample of Nuno not doing anything "special".


Superb playing, no doubt. But what makes it "special"?
 
2013-01-27 11:03:57 PM  

karmachameleon: There isn't. I couldn't pick him out of 100 other fast guitar players, and neither could you.


Just like VH has that "brown" sound, there is a specific sound to much of Extreme's guitar work, so I would disagree with that statement.
 
2013-01-27 11:04:20 PM  

karmachameleon: Farkomatic: Here's ^ a sample of Nuno not doing anything "special".

Superb playing, no doubt. But what makes it "special"?


So, superb playing isn't special? Should he do it from a wheelchair?

Jesus Christ....
 
kab
2013-01-27 11:31:52 PM  

Mini Ditka: kab: H31N0US: As for George Lynch? You do know that before George Lynch, there were no frets for the flat 5th. He revolutionized the instrument.

wtf am I reading.

I didn't get it either....


Thanks for the sub, sir. I owe you a beer!
 
2013-01-28 01:25:10 AM  

Mini Ditka: karmachameleon: Farkomatic: Here's ^ a sample of Nuno not doing anything "special".

Superb playing, no doubt. But what makes it "special"?

So, superb playing isn't special? Should he do it from a wheelchair?

Jesus Christ....


"Special" implies something unique and without peer, even inestimable. Bettencourt is an excellent guitar player, but that's not the same thing. It's not a knock; the majority of great musicians take what's been done before and refine it. But the special ones are the ones who changed the game altogether. I don't think it's a word that should be thrown around casually.
 
2013-01-28 05:08:25 AM  
What? No love for Phil Keaggy??

Link
 
2013-01-28 07:19:24 AM  
Isn't Cobain dead? If you're talking about the greatest dead guitar player, Ace Frehley is better than all of them combined.
 
2013-01-28 09:10:35 AM  
Count me as one of those guys who can recognize Lynch's playing. Also I got a Dokken remaster album from my subcription service. It was nice hearng Pilson finally get the recognition he deserves, but Don? Ouch. I can't believe he let that shiat get released. He OBVIOUSLY can't sing anymore. it was horrible.
 
2013-01-28 01:06:05 PM  
I don't play guitar, so I don't know if these guys are good or not...but i like 'em a lot:

Trey Anastasio
Buckethead
David Gimour
BB King
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Brian Brooks
Jon Spencer
John Frusciante
Santana
Jimi Hendrix
Bradley Nowell
Nick Schnebelen
Jay Yuenger
Jimmy Page
Tommy Iommi
 
2013-01-28 05:39:41 PM  
Late to the party, but, yeah, there aren't too many people out there better than Nuno. Hugely underexposed/underrated.

I might have missed it but odd that there's no mention of Paul Gilbert anywhere. Easily top 5.
 
2013-01-29 11:52:11 AM  
Van Halen was technically more proficient of a guitar player then Cobain....that hardly makes him better.

50 years from now, who will still be recognized? maybe neither of them.

Neither of these bands is gonna be like The Beatles...especially Van Halen because David Lee Roth couldn't freakin sing. How did such a good guitar player end up with such a bad singer?
 
2013-01-29 12:55:49 PM  

tony41454: What? No love for Phil Keaggy??

Link


Definitely Keaggy should be on any list. Not into Christian music but he has some great instrumentals.
 
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