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2013-01-26 09:23:11 PM  

Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.


You said Jimmy Page twice.
 
2013-01-26 09:27:41 PM  

GRCooper: Came to thread to see if there's some meme/joke. I'm unfamiliar with.

I *like* Nirvana, but never thought to include Cobain in any list of "Guitar Greats". I don't like VanHalen, but would include Eddie in that list.


he's usually #8 in any magazine's list

kurt had soull maaaan
 
2013-01-26 09:28:17 PM  
J Robbins
Dave Knudsen
 
2013-01-26 09:32:56 PM  

DS1970: For instance, the first band I fell in love with was Genesis - OLD, Peter Gabriel era Genesis...very classical (just listen to the title track for The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway). Don't bother buying Genesis past the Gabriel era.


You'll be missing a lot of Steve Hackett's best work, then.
 
2013-01-26 09:53:17 PM  
No Jake E. Lee yet?
 
2013-01-26 10:06:51 PM  
EVH was voted #1 guitarist of all time by people who actually play guitar, Guitar World Magazine readers. Cobain wasn't a musician, he was a mental patient who should have been in a hospital coloring so he wouldn't hurt himself, which, of course, he ended up doing.
 
2013-01-26 10:07:55 PM  
Rory F*cking Gallagher

www.lastoftheindependents.com
 
2013-01-26 10:12:18 PM  
weblogs.dailypress.com
 
2013-01-26 10:14:08 PM  
www.buzztwang.com
 
2013-01-26 10:14:37 PM  
www.stlblues.net
 
2013-01-26 10:21:57 PM  
There will never be a first place for guitar. But maybe for trolling. Good work subby.
 
2013-01-26 10:22:11 PM  

acad1228: Dogfacedgod: Chet Atkins

If you're going to include Chet Atkins on that list, I'll submit that Roy Clark should also be listed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxDQQDF6j0Y
 
2013-01-26 10:31:57 PM  
assets.rollingstone.com
 
2013-01-26 10:44:31 PM  
cdn.mos.musicradar.com
 
2013-01-26 11:08:33 PM  

Ready-set: Cobain was more like Hendrix than Halen. It's about feeling that there's a person behind the guitar. Not hearing the guitar do gymnastics.

Van Halen is uber-talented. And fun.


THIS.

There's no debate. It's two different genres of music. Each was good at what they did. The only exception is that Cobain didn't kick out the better singer and the better bass player.
 
2013-01-26 11:09:40 PM  
Being the best doesn't matter. All that matters is who is MY favorite. And that's J Mascis. So you can all stop arguing now.
 
2013-01-26 11:20:56 PM  
Kurt's wife:

www.rocksbackpages.com

Eddie's wife (the one who counts, anyhow)

imageshack.us

Who wins? Do I even have to ask?
And yes, their guitar skills equal their taste in women.
 
2013-01-26 11:36:35 PM  

farkstorm: [www.buzztwang.com image 308x320]


You're beautiful.


/and correct.
 
2013-01-26 11:37:39 PM  

tinyarena: and we're done


Yep, done in two. Let's close this one up and go home...
 
2013-01-26 11:38:06 PM  
Van Halen was going to be in Knoxville on August 4th before that was postponed due to VH having bit off more than they could chew. Then later in the year, Eddie had to have emergency surgery for a bad case of diverticulitis, which cancelled all remaining scheduled concerts. I hope when they get back on the road, they'll come to Knoxville. I haven't seen them since February 15 1992 when it was Van Hagar.
 
2013-01-26 11:39:51 PM  

farkstorm: [cdn.mos.musicradar.com image 640x480]


And now you've been favorited.
 
2013-01-26 11:43:19 PM  

DS1970: I think I'm older than many FARKers. That PLUS being a guitarist myself, I would make the claim that Eddie is a very under-rated guitarist at this point. I remember well when VH1 came out...holy f*ck, Eddie turned the guitar world around!

EV's problem as a guitarist was that he never really progressed as a guitarist - the first two VH albums showed Eddie at his best.

Now you've got these great guitar soloists...Satch, Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, Tobin Abasi, John Petrucci, etc. - these guitarists are outstanding and are constantly innovating. Eddie never really did that, which is his downfall.

Besides, any so-called "VanHalen" fan who hasn't heard the first two albums? WTF?! Just ignore anything VH did during or after the Hagar era.

Cobain? I could teach any student his material and - allowing said student actually practices - within 30 days they could emulate his guitar.

For some evidence of my claim, click on the link below and try to tell me this Vai tune (called "Building the Church" and performed live) isn't a guitar-players dream. It's expressive, soulful in its way, as well as being virtuoso in technique.

Link


Yeah Vai and Satch are pretty sweet... Amazing what they can do. I still think Eddie got soem chops, though. I was all excited to see them last summer in concert though, and I have been to bar gigs that were better. The only person who didn't have strikes against them was Wolfgang, I'm starting to think it was all a ploy to showcase him. Dave was totally incoherent, rambling from place to place, nobody saw the usually visible Alex until half way through the show, and nobody recognized the drum solo for what it was until THAT was halfway over. To top it off, he was either playing to a tape, or they had a keyboardist backstage for 'Jump!' and 'I'll Wait'. Not professional in any way, I woud rather see him sling the guitar across his back and play keyboards, rather than piss on my head and tell me it's raining. Hell, the giant video screen was actually the most impressive thing of the whole damned show.
 
2013-01-26 11:43:50 PM  
And by the way, not nearly enough love for Knopfler in this thread, in my not-so-humble-but-erudite opinion.
 
kab
2013-01-26 11:43:54 PM  
Some of my personal favorite guitarists, in no order:

Mikael Akerfeldt
Guthrie Govan
Jimmy Page
Derek Trucks
Jonny Greenwood
Alex Lifeson
Leo Kotke


/'the best' is a completely subjective entirely irrelevant debate that misses the point of music entirely.
 
2013-01-26 11:46:43 PM  

Rumpertumpskin: Hey long list guy:

J. Garcia?
Robby Krieger?

Guilty Pleasure:
Jerry Reed


Jerry Reed is surprisingly excellent.
Link
 
2013-01-27 12:02:17 AM  
Ritchie Blackmore
Gary Moore
Al DiMeola
Joe Bonamassa
SRV
Jeff Beck
Terry Kath
Steve Morse
Jim McCarty
Hendrix
 
2013-01-27 12:05:14 AM  
List fails without that time I threw my guitar into a wood chipper.

/Clapton
//sucks
 
2013-01-27 12:31:45 AM  
I like the Rocky George vs Kirk Hammett debate better:

LINK
 
2013-01-27 01:10:43 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: And fark everyone who doesn't like the 2012 Van Halen album with Dave. Outside of Tattoo, which I still like, that record is a farking shot heard 'round the world. That EVH could be so totally farked up on drugs, drink and psychosis a few short years ago and come back playing as good as ever is farking amazing.


BD-sides from 20 years ago do not a new album make.
 
2013-01-27 01:12:16 AM  
if you even think there is a debate on this you have never played guitar and are a complete and utter dip shiat.
 
2013-01-27 01:25:32 AM  
Gonna say John Mayer is the #1 most underrated mainstream guitar player. Most people know him for his pop songs but when you see him play the blues, damn hes got massive talent.

BUT... Mayer has the #1 Ugliest guitar playing faces in HISTORY!
 
2013-01-27 01:46:25 AM  

Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.


Nuno Bettencourt? What did you do? Find your favorite bands and look up the guitarist? Sure, Extreme has some good songs, but there's nothing special about Bettencourt.

And yeah, A lot of people who know talent are pretty impressed with Prince, even if they don't like his music. They're still able to admit that the man has some serious talent.

And dude, George Lynch? Really? I like Dokken as much as the next guy who lived in the 80's, and Lynch isn't the second coming of Hendrix or anything. Hell. I went to see the guy play a show and hung out on his tour bus afterwards, and I still don't think he's godlike in any way. Once again, sure he's good, but in a list with the likes of Steve Vai and Joe Satriani? You MUST be trolling.
 
2013-01-27 01:47:12 AM  

Flab: You said Jimmy Page twice.


Yeah, he said Michael Shencker twice too, I think he went through a list and just grabbed some names.
 
2013-01-27 01:56:22 AM  

kab: /'the best' is a completely subjective entirely irrelevant debate that misses the point of music entirely.


Yep... Rolling Stone did a pretty good writeup 8 or 9 years ago, and actually covered a wide range of genres and put eople on for different reasons other than burning up a fretboard with tap and pull harmonics as an electric version of Andres Segovia. The biggest surprise on the list? Joni Mitchell. It's been awhile, but the story was something like that she had issues from polio from childhood, and as a result, had trouble playing guitar, so she got around it with different tunings, not just for in the studio, but live on the road. Something like 100 different tunings that should would set up, and then manage on the fly.

There are a million things that make guitarists battle for that "top spot", and while Eddie might not be "The Greatest", he definitely brought something new to it that people are still playing al,most 30 years after he broke onto the scene.

/I still don't understand what ANYONE sees in Cobain. I'd rather go through the violence tempering program from A Clockwork Orange than listen to more than 2 Nirvana songs in one day. Except for Lake of Fire, I think they actually nailed that one better than the Meat Puppets.
 
2013-01-27 02:55:57 AM  

qsblues: yet, everyone on this list would agree, (with the possible exception of Jeff Beck), that Allan Holdsworth would wipe the floor with any one of them, and they would be thankful for him doing it.

Yes, he IS THAT good.


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"G'day mate..."
 
2013-01-27 03:20:12 AM  

qsblues: Sure, he's a corporate sellout whore now, but there's a reason people kill each other to have him endorse their products.


I have been tempted to buy a USA EVH Wolfgang. This guitar just looks like it would play itself. I saw a used one on eBay for buy it now $1700 and almost hit it, but wife. Also want a Carvin hollowbody.

www.americanmusical.com
 
2013-01-27 03:45:11 AM  
Apropos of something to be determined later (if at all):

Maggot Brain

Maggot Brain (redux)
 
2013-01-27 04:01:12 AM  
Well, since we're gonna do this, I'll throw in a vote for Lindsey Buckingham and his Travis-picking.

Never Going Back Again

The Chain

And for a bit of a more bombastic sound: I'm So Afraid
 
2013-01-27 04:25:26 AM  

Kyosuke: I Like Bread: How many of those people are cookie-cutter blues rockers, regurgitating whatever tired licks they hear in their own circles?

All of them. All of the guitarists you like do the same thing.


I don't know - Bob Drake is pretty out there.
 
2013-01-27 05:24:07 AM  
I think it is safe to say we all have ben remiss:
s7.postimage.org
 
2013-01-27 07:27:12 AM  
Why has satchel from steel panther not been mentioned?

As a guitarist myself there is way too much debate here, so many people think only rock guitarist are the good ones, where are brad paisley, tommy Emmanuel, Segovia on these lists?

Personal top five
Beck
Gilmour
Srv
Prince ( who can play tones of instruments)
John frusciante
 
2013-01-27 09:02:28 AM  
I would probably be the greatest guitarist of all time by now if I hadn't tried to learn to play using Ralph McTell's book.
 
2013-01-27 09:21:22 AM  

Mikey1969: Nuno Bettencourt? What did you do? Find your favorite bands and look up the guitarist? Sure, Extreme has some good songs, but there's nothing special about Bettencourt.


Nuno is an extremely talented technical guitarist. Not just for speed, but also for feel.

//Not an Extreme fan.
 
2013-01-27 09:34:01 AM  

Mikey1969:
Nuno Bettencourt? What did you do? Find your favorite bands and look up the guitarist? Sure, Extreme has some good songs, but there's nothing special about Bettencourt.

And yeah, A lot of people who know talent are pretty impressed with Prince, even if they don't like his music. They're still able to admit that the man has some serious talent.

And dude, George Lynch? Really? I like Dokken as much as the next guy who lived in the 80's, and Lynch isn't the second coming of Hendrix or anything. Hell. I went to see the guy play a show and hung out on his tour bus afterwards, and I still don't think he's godlike in any way. Once again, sure he's good, but in a list with the likes of Steve Vai and Joe Satriani? You MUST be trolling.


Nuno exhibit A - Link

Yep > Prince by a miles.

George Lynch exhibit A - Link

Wow, look at the > than prince by light years.


Now, what you obviously fail to understand that list was not a list of my favs (see John Petrucci), but a list that off the top of my head of guitarists who are tons a lot more talented than prince in response to the cock smuggler who said he was "the best evar!".

You show me anything prince has ever done (and I have seen his "best") that proves me wrong.
 
2013-01-27 09:35:08 AM  

Flab: Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.

You said Jimmy Page twice.


I like Jimmy "rape" page
 
2013-01-27 09:53:46 AM  
All this time and no one's mentioned Bill Frisell?
 
2013-01-27 10:07:16 AM  
Sorry, when I think "guitar" I don't think "Kurt Cobain."

There are only four guitarists who have such a distinctive sound I immediately know it's them when I hear them.  In no particular order:

Eddie Van Halen
David Gilmour
Prince
Eric Clapton

CSS--the first time I heard Paul McCartney's "No More Lonely Nights" and the guitar solo, I said "David Gilmour's playing that solo."  "OH BULLSHIAT!" said my friends ... until they saw the liner notes.

PS--Charo is pretty amazing, but so is Dolly Parton.
 
2013-01-27 10:25:57 AM  
mark knopfler.
 
2013-01-27 10:40:13 AM  
As a non-guitar player, I can't comment on virtuosity, I can only refer to the guitarist whose compositions routinely, and still after decades pf listening, give me goosebumps;

David Gilmour

Put a gun to my head and make me pick "the best guitarist", and I'm gonna hedge my bet and pick the guy most 'guitar gods' pick;

Jeff Beck

/play Comfortably Numb at my funeral ...
 
2013-01-27 11:01:20 AM  

Dogfacedgod: Flab: Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.

You said Jimmy Page twice.

I like Jimmy "rape" page


rockhall.com
Didn't
 
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