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2013-01-26 05:50:27 PM

skinink: Cobain was a great lyricist but an average guitarist. EVH played a great guitar. I don't know if he ever wrote any songs.


EVH wrote most if not all of the great VH songs, and as was pointed out elsewhere, is an even better rhythm player than he is a soloist, although that aspect of his playing goes largely unheralded.

The argument I made for Gilmour and Beck above, about learning every little nuance of their material to realize how technical they are in spite of their lack of sheer speed, goes just as well for the speedy EVH too. Learning his rhythmic guitar playing is, IMO, even harder than learning his solos (which are no walk in the park).

People point to the first two albums, but I point to 1984. Yes, the album with "Jump" on it. But skip "Jump", and listen to "Hot For Teacher", "Drop Dead Legs", "Girl Gone Bad", or even "Panama". All incredibly difficult rhythm parts and some of his most inspired solo playing since the first album at the time.
 
2013-01-26 05:56:20 PM
I'd like to see Kurt Cobain do this.
 
2013-01-26 05:57:39 PM

Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.


yet, everyone on this list would agree, (with the possible exception of Jeff Beck), that Allan Holdsworth would wipe the floor with any one of them, and they would be thankful for him doing it.

Yes, he IS THAT good.
 
2013-01-26 05:58:58 PM
Prince was definitely better than Cobain, at least.

/John Mayer is #1 obviously...
 
2013-01-26 05:59:05 PM

skinink: Sorry, I don't think I've heard Oldfield play guitar, but I'll look him up on Youtube.


He's mostly known as a composer and multi-instrumentalist, but I did find a decent example of him playing live: Link. Warning: it's from 1981, so there may be European hippies.
His most famous work is Tubular Bells, BTW.
 
2013-01-26 05:59:28 PM
I am not knowledgeble enough when it comes to guitar playing to call someone the "best", but I saw Van Halen half a dozen times in the late 70's and Eddie was certainly my favorite guitar player to see in concert back then.  I thought his playing was incredible and he always seemed to be having a damn good time.
 
2013-01-26 06:02:37 PM
Steve Stevens was missing from that list also.
 
2013-01-26 06:03:45 PM

DS1970: For some evidence of my claim, click on the link below and try to tell me this Vai tune (called "Building the Church" and performed live) isn't a guitar-players dream. It's expressive, soulful in its way, as well as being virtuoso in technique.


There will never, ever be a song that tops SRV's "Little Wing" in my book for feel.  If you can't feel what he's playing, you just plain won't ever get it.
 
2013-01-26 06:06:10 PM

Kyosuke: Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

1. You've obviously never heard Prince play guitar.
2. I hate seeing long lists like this and seeing that Mike Oldfield has been left off again.


1) I have...meh...very meh.
2) Like I said, I probably missed a few, and he too is >>>>>>> prince.
 
2013-01-26 06:07:18 PM
This far in and no "I can't drive 55" jokes?

Farkers, I am disappoint.
 
2013-01-26 06:07:27 PM

qsblues: Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.

yet, everyone on this list would agree, (with the possible exception of Jeff Beck), that Allan Holdsworth would wipe the floor with any one of them, and they would be thankful for him doing it.

Yes, he IS THAT good.


Please bold.
 
2013-01-26 06:11:11 PM

doczoidberg: Obviously, Eddie is an infinitely more talented guitarist. In fact, Cobain pretty much sucked at guitar.


[That's the Joke.jpg]


/sheesh
 
2013-01-26 06:13:30 PM
Dogfacedgod:

1. You've obviously never heard Prince play guitar.
2. I hate seeing long lists like this and seeing that Mike Oldfield has been left off again.

1) I have...meh...very meh.
2) Like I said, I probably missed a few, and he too is >>>>>>> prince.


I'm no fan, but if you think Prince is a 'meh' guitarist, you weren't listening.
 
2013-01-26 06:16:19 PM

FriarReb98: DS1970: For some evidence of my claim, click on the link below and try to tell me this Vai tune (called "Building the Church" and performed live) isn't a guitar-players dream. It's expressive, soulful in its way, as well as being virtuoso in technique.

There will never, ever be a song that tops SRV's "Little Wing" in my book for feel.  If you can't feel what he's playing, you just plain won't ever get it.


Agree. And he doesn't ruin it by singing those middle-school lyrics.
 
2013-01-26 06:20:07 PM

skinink: Kyosuke: Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
...
Nuno Bettencourt

1. You've obviously never heard Prince play guitar.
2. I hate seeing long lists like this and seeing that Mike Oldfield has been left off again.

Sorry, I don't think I've heard Oldfield play guitar, but I'll look him up on Youtube. Prince may not be the agreed upon #1 guitar player, but he is an excellent guitar player. You're an idiot if you think that Prince's skill is "average".


I didn't know Prince was anything on guitar until I heard this...
Link
(jump in @ 3:20 if you must)

Not as good as his best live versions of Purple Rain where he's just making love to that guitar on stage. Those were mostly taken down.
 
2013-01-26 06:21:07 PM

Dahnkster: Sweep the leg!
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Defeated Lucifer's best guitar player... now voice of 'Gibby' on Robot Chicken

Hail Satan?


Given that the actual playing was done by Ry Cooder, the music in the film is actually really good...
 
2013-01-26 06:24:24 PM
Most underrated: Terry Kath
 
2013-01-26 06:28:11 PM
I'm in my 40's and am currently in poor health and even I am now glaring at you all as if you're in a slow mo fight with sharpened canes and walkers. OH! Look! I found yer pics!
thetvcritic.org

I think it is high time the superiority of the younger generations, due to a combination of technical skill and sheer speed, especially weirdo Finns like Alexi Laiho, is acknowledged. Let those old dudes slip into the obscurity (read: grave) into which they belong.

farm3.static.flickr.com


/no, I will not get off your lawn
 
2013-01-26 06:37:19 PM
The best guitar players in the world are unknown and will always be. Famous "guitar" players are famous because they're great songwriters or they are in a band with a great songwriter.

There's an 11 year old chinese kid that is a better player than anyone on that long list of electric single solo players..
 
2013-01-26 06:39:42 PM
Ry Cooder didnt play the guitar parts in the duel- that was all Steve Vai.
 
2013-01-26 06:41:27 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-26 06:44:03 PM
Hey long list guy:

J. Garcia?
Robby Krieger?

Guilty Pleasure:
Jerry Reed
 
2013-01-26 06:46:36 PM
And as Eddie is to guitar, Alex is to drums, just somehow he gets less attention for it.
 
2013-01-26 06:48:50 PM

Rumpertumpskin: Hey long list guy:

J. Garcia?


I believe he was left out because long list guy was mentioning talented guitarists.
 
2013-01-26 06:54:59 PM
*cough*Per Nilsson*cough*
 
2013-01-26 06:55:28 PM
List fails without Unkown Henson.
 
2013-01-26 07:11:38 PM
I love how Cobain plays(ed) the guitar despite his lack of technical prowess. Eddie is very talented but for me anyway, is the poster child for ' just because you can, doesn't mean you should '. Nails on a chalkboard guitar wankery a la malmsteen or vai just doesn't move me in the slightest.
 
2013-01-26 07:12:50 PM
You said Michael schencker twice.
 
2013-01-26 07:14:21 PM

inert: I'd like to see Kurt Cobain do this.


Weird. I wouldn't. Then again I wouldn't want to see anyone do... that. Whatever that was.
 
2013-01-26 07:23:24 PM

FriarReb98: DS1970: For some evidence of my claim, click on the link below and try to tell me this Vai tune (called "Building the Church" and performed live) isn't a guitar-players dream. It's expressive, soulful in its way, as well as being virtuoso in technique.

There will never, ever be a song that tops SRV's "Little Wing" in my book for feel.  If you can't feel what he's playing, you just plain won't ever get it.


Love it, play it. But technically it's not SRV's "Little Wing"...it's Hendrix' Little Wing adapted by SRV - said adaption is good, but doesn't touch the original. For me, though, I'm again a bit older and did not become a Hendrix fan BECAUSE of SRV (which many people did - "discover Hendrix" via SRV) but rather was a Hendrix fan YEARS before Stevie was a "thing". IMHO, SRV can't even touch Hendrix: Just listen to Hendrix...NOT the "hits" that still get played, but rather, e.g. the entire Are You Experienced? album, etc. Hendrix seamlessly combined styles like the blues with jazz and even "acid"/futuristic rock...just listen to it!

Plus, as a guitarist - and this is just me, personally - I gravitate towards the "virtuoso" type playing which goes hand in hand with instrumental rock, your basic Dream Theatre groups and the like. I was trained on classical piano since 4 and just gravitated to that type of rock. For instance, the first band I fell in love with was Genesis - OLD, Peter Gabriel era Genesis...very classical (just listen to the title track for The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway). Don't bother buying Genesis past the Gabriel era.

Being a guitar virtuoso to me is not purely about technique - you still have to make the music have feeling. If you don't, you're guitar playing ability is nothing more than a movie based only on special effects. Sure, they look good and you're satisfied while in the theatre, but an hour later, it's totally out of your mind. Now take a The Godfather or Goodfellas movie...great story, makes you think and you could see it over and over.

BTW!!! - for any guitar fan who would love to hear famous rock guitarists adapt other songs? Pick up "Merry Axemas" plus the 2nd CD of that series. You get known guitar players (actual examples: Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Jeff Beck, Al DiMeola, Ted Nugent, Neal Schon, Alex Lifeson, etc.) covering classic Xmas songs. Steve Vai's "Christmas Time is Here" (you know...Peanuts) cover is alone worth the entire CD price.
 
2013-01-26 07:42:17 PM

Lord Schtupp: I would have picked Randy Rhoads then you might have had an argument; damn shame he didn't make it to 56...

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No doubt about that.
 
2013-01-26 07:55:38 PM

Dogfacedgod: Chet Atkins


If you're going to include Chet Atkins on that list, I'll submit that Roy Clark should also be listed.
 
2013-01-26 08:00:12 PM

DS1970: But technically it's not SRV's "Little Wing"...it's Hendrix' Little Wing adapted by SRV - said adaption is good, but doesn't touch the original.


Thank you. Very much this.

SRV was good, but ultimately not very original.
 
2013-01-26 08:00:25 PM
Didn't really hear a lot of good guitar playing, just a lot of noise. Anybody can make noise. It's taking that noise and making something that's enjoyable to listen to is the trick.
 
2013-01-26 08:06:15 PM

FriarReb98: DS1970: For some evidence of my claim, click on the link below and try to tell me this Vai tune (called "Building the Church" and performed live) isn't a guitar-players dream. It's expressive, soulful in its way, as well as being virtuoso in technique.

There will never, ever be a song that tops SRV's "Little Wing" in my book for feel.  If you can't feel what he's playing, you just plain won't ever get it.


BTW, did you watch/listen to the entire Vai song I linked? Not a challenge, just curious whether you did or not - no worries.

If you did, one thing I love about this video is it shows fairly close-up what he (Vai) is doing. It's like a months' worth of guitar lessons. Plus I loved how he incorporated the violin in a Zappesque harmonies way.
 
2013-01-26 08:08:14 PM

Rumpertumpskin: Hey long list guy:

J. Garcia?
Robby Krieger?

Guilty Pleasure:
Jerry Reed


Link
 
2013-01-26 08:28:41 PM
Hughie Thomasson.
 
2013-01-26 08:28:47 PM
It's music. It's subjective in some respects, quantitative in others. I like cobain, I like Eddie. I think Jeff Beck is a genius but I also enjoy Edge and the manner in wish he turns the instrument on its head. Steve Vai is amazing but I'm not certain a more perfect solo in terms of emotion has ever been played but the rather simplistic solo George played on Something.

So... There's that.
 
2013-01-26 08:31:50 PM

acad1228: Roy Clark


This.

Guitar wizard
 
2013-01-26 08:33:16 PM
And also another vote for Frank, as well.
 
2013-01-26 08:33:45 PM
I like to group guitarists into .... well, groups. According to their playing style.

Basic 50's/early60's style Rocker guitarists: Chuck Berry, Angus Young, Keith Richards

Technically Proficient but lacking feeling/heart: Steve Vai, Eddie Van Halen, virtually all 1980's Hair metal guitarists

Technically Proficient AND with feeling/heart: Fripp, Eric Clapton, Zappa, Mike Oldfield, Tom Verlaine, (and also, not trolling, but Slash too)

Basic 50/60 style rocker with feeling/heart: Neil Young

Claim to "not be technically proficient/great"* but have tons of feeling and heart: Mark Knopfler, David Gilmour

Hendrix and his followers: Adrian Belew, Eddie Van Halen, Mike McCready, Johnny Greenwood

Proggy (but also tech plus feeling/heart, aka "the Two Steves"): Steve Hackett, Steve Hillage

(* I remember reading about both MK and DG in seperate interviews....
MK saying in 85 how he didn't consider himself a great guitarist, he's still a studen, always learning, etc.
DG saying in the late 80's/early 90's about how he admits he's not technically great, has simple playing but makes up for it with heart and soul, etc. )
 
2013-01-26 08:37:44 PM

Ravijn: Rumpertumpskin: Hey long list guy:

J. Garcia?
Robby Krieger?

Guilty Pleasure:
Jerry Reed

Link


awesome rav... now outta my head!
BTW...
I have been waitinf for this topic to pop up on Fark... but has not so I'll ask.

I'm wondering if anyone hee has seen "Searching for Sugarman"
about Sixto Rodriguez....

Do you think the talent equals the myth?
Did America miss the boat on Rodriguez?

I thought it was a well done flick despite the claims some make regarding dramatic licence in regards
to his popularity in Australia mid-to late 80s and how that topic was avoided.

About a week before I saw the doc... I had a complete non-sequitur pop in my head. I was remembering in H.S. (mid-80s) every issue of Rolling Stone, I would turn to the back page and first check the U.S. top ten vs. British and whichever foreign top 10 RS would publish that issue. It was always interesting to see what was popular in other countries vs. USA. I remember sone really obscure stuff rearing up in Brit top 10. For some reason that would amuse me. Then i would decide if this was the bi-week to buy a Bud Strance T-shirt (never did, should have)...
 
2013-01-26 08:41:05 PM
tshirt:
should have read "Bud Strange"
 
2013-01-26 08:53:18 PM

Gulper Eel: What debate do we get to have next, the Berkeley Non-Contact Everybody-Gets-A-Trophy Flag Football JV vs. the '85 Bears?


Berkeley?
 
2013-01-26 08:55:30 PM
Nirvana had a two and a half album window of cool sounds.  Kurt Cobain was a crappy guitarist who got a hell of a lot more out of his talents than most people who are as crappy as him.  He played what sounded good to him and fit his ideas.

Comparing his guitar talents to EVH is silly.

Nirvana kicked hair bands in the ass and brought alternative to the forefront for a while.

EVH reinvented the farking instrument and influenced hundreds of thousands of musicians.  And he still does.

And fark everyone who doesn't like the 2012 Van Halen album with Dave.  Outside of Tattoo, which I still like, that record is a farking shot heard 'round the world.  That EVH could be so totally farked up on drugs, drink and psychosis a few short years ago and come back playing as good as ever is farking amazing.
 
2013-01-26 08:58:22 PM
Rumpertumpskin

re: Rodriguez:

I heard a small doc on cbc radio about it, with a few of his songs on it.
I think he's nothing SUPER special, but certainly not bad.
He's a good songwriter (I especially like some of his lyrics) in typical protesty/anti-establishment late 60's vein. No real different from Dylan, or Love, etc.
But for every good song like that from that era, there's a cheezy one. And to be fair some of his stuff is a little cheezy now, listening to it in this current era.

But obviously it struck a nerve (or chord) with SOME people, considering how incredibly popular he was in South Africa, and Australia.
Success in American isn't necessarily the be-all / end-all in terms of popularity and success. Some Canadian or UK or European groups never were popular in the US, but retained huge crowds in their home country.

examples: "Budgie". Blues/rock/prog trio from Wales. They were quite popular in the UK, but never made it in the US. EXCEPT, curiously, in Texas. They had a HUGE cult following there for some reason.

Tragically Hip: Canadian Band, been together since the late 80's. Us Canadians love them. They're almost like a Canadian Institution. They're in the blood, like Hockey or Beer. Yet they only reached the lower US charts, ie. #170. The only US place they seem to a little bit popular is northern US, by the Canadian Border.
 
2013-01-26 09:06:54 PM
The good thing about Eddie Van Halen: He single handedly defined the 80s rock sound.

The bad thing about Eddie Van Halen: He single handedly defined the 80s rock sound.

The good thing about Kurt Cobain: He single handedly defined the 90s rock sound.

The bad thing about Kurt Cobain: He single handedly defined the 90s rock sound.
 
2013-01-26 09:17:15 PM

js34603: Prince was definitely better than Cobain, at least.

/John Mayer is #1 obviously...


I know you're trolling, and I would never say that Mayer is "the best" by any means, but Mayer is certainly underrated.  I think his biggest problem is that his voice is not suited for rock, and he's found a niche for himself that is not rock.  But the guy can shred when he wants.

And Prince is a guitar god.  I won't declare anyone "the best" but Prince is damn good.
 
2013-01-26 09:17:51 PM

Dogfacedgod: ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.


That's pretty much the complete "guy who works at Guitar Center" list. (Minus Prince, of course.)
How many of those people are cookie-cutter blues rockers, regurgitating whatever tired licks they hear in their own circles?
 
2013-01-26 09:20:12 PM

I Like Bread: How many of those people are cookie-cutter blues rockers, regurgitating whatever tired licks they hear in their own circles?


All of them. All of the guitarists you like do the same thing.
 
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