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(YouTube) Video Eddie Van Halen is 56 today. Let the Cobain vs Van Halen guitar debate begin   (youtube.com) divider line 199
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2013-01-26 03:19:07 PM
What debate? Whose wife did more damage to their career?
 
2013-01-26 03:22:02 PM

tfresh: What debate? Whose wife did more damage to their career?


There isn't really any debate about this, either, considering Valerie didn't ruin Eddie's opportunity to, you know, turn 56.
 
2013-01-26 03:22:58 PM
and we're done
 
2013-01-26 03:24:44 PM

tfresh: What debate?

 
2013-01-26 03:29:06 PM
Obviously, Eddie is an infinitely more talented guitarist. In fact, Cobain pretty much sucked at guitar.

Still, Nirvana remains my all time favorite band.
 
2013-01-26 03:29:37 PM
Came to thread to see if there's some meme/joke. I'm unfamiliar with.

I *like* Nirvana, but never thought to include Cobain in any list of "Guitar Greats". I don't like VanHalen, but would include Eddie in that list.
 
2013-01-26 03:29:39 PM

Robert1966: tfresh: What debate? Whose wife did more damage to their career?

There isn't really any debate about this, either, considering Valerie didn't ruin Eddie's opportunity to, you know, turn 56.


Maybe he meant the "their" to be the wives. I'd say Courtney; Valerie's still got that show that I haven't seen.
 
2013-01-26 03:29:51 PM
Cobain was more like Hendrix than Halen. It's about feeling that there's a person behind the guitar. Not hearing the guitar do gymnastics.

Van Halen is uber-talented. And fun.
 
2013-01-26 03:29:55 PM

doczoidberg: Obviously, Eddie is an infinitely more talented guitarist. In fact, Cobain pretty much sucked at guitar.

Still, Nirvana remains my all time favorite band.


Thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2013-01-26 03:31:28 PM
What debate do we get to have next, the Berkeley Non-Contact Everybody-Gets-A-Trophy Flag Football JV vs. the '85 Bears?
 
2013-01-26 03:34:54 PM

Incorrigible Astronaut: doczoidberg: Obviously, Eddie is an infinitely more talented guitarist. In fact, Cobain pretty much sucked at guitar.

Still, Nirvana remains my all time favorite band.

Thatsthejoke.jpg


Yes, I know that, but I still wanted to comment.

I was listening to a Nirvana live album yesterday, and as much as it had me rocking out, I still kept thinking, "Jebus, Kurt. Could you never play a single note CLEARLY?"
 
2013-01-26 03:42:01 PM
What a load of self-indulgent crap.
 
2013-01-26 03:43:14 PM
If Cobain hadn't had buckshot for breakfast one morning, he and the boys would be eating omelettes on a cruise ship with Marcy Playground and the Gin Blossoms right about now.
 
2013-01-26 03:50:39 PM
I'm going out on a limb and postulating that Eddie can play guitar a lot better than Kurt can right now.
 
2013-01-26 03:52:02 PM

theorellior: If Cobain hadn't had buckshot for breakfast one morning, he and the boys would be eating omelettes on a cruise ship with Marcy Playground and the Gin Blossoms right about now.


I doubt this very, very highly.

/Oh, and Ditka v.s. God
 
2013-01-26 03:53:10 PM
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2013-01-26 03:55:54 PM
I would have picked Randy Rhoads then you might have had an argument; damn shame he didn't make it to 56...

xxcultradio.com
 
2013-01-26 03:56:05 PM
From a virtuosity standpoint, Prince is first and its not even close.

/Cobain is outside the top 20
//Van Halen is outside the top 100.
///I dare any Farker to disagree that there are no fewer than 100 more skilled guitarists than Eddie Van Halen, who is in fact, a mediocre guitar player
////Come on, out yourselves.
 
Skr
2013-01-26 03:57:50 PM
Not really getting the headline comparison, must just be a "conversation starter" type deal.

Personally I've always enjoyed Nirvana's loose and raw feeling to the guitar and other arrangements. I can't see it ever being meant to be considered higher guitar artform... just a bunch of guys that were enjoying making garage music and ended up stumbling into fame.
I hate to make the comparison but it felt like the same feeling that autotune gives artists these days "Hey, I could do that!" Of course just because many people can emulate it, doesn't mean they should.

/for all its flaws, Unplugged in New York is one of my favorite CDs.
 
2013-01-26 03:57:58 PM

Funbags: /Cobain is outside the top 20
//Van Halen is outside the top 100.


LOLWUT.

I don't hold Eddie as much of anything besides a flashy showman, but he's more interesting than Cobain.
 
2013-01-26 04:01:35 PM
I guess jumping is cheaper than buying gun and bullets
 
2013-01-26 04:14:20 PM
www.blogginginamerica.com
He's dead, Jim.
 
2013-01-26 04:20:04 PM
Sweep the leg!
www.jdmfilmreviews.com
Defeated Lucifer's best guitar player... now voice of 'Gibby' on Robot Chicken

Hail Satan?
 
2013-01-26 04:24:56 PM
I think I'm older than many FARKers. That PLUS being a guitarist myself, I would make the claim that Eddie is a very under-rated guitarist at this point. I remember well when VH1 came out...holy f*ck, Eddie turned the guitar world around!

EV's problem as a guitarist was that he never really progressed as a guitarist - the first two VH albums showed Eddie at his best.

Now you've got these great guitar soloists...Satch, Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, Tobin Abasi, John Petrucci, etc. - these guitarists are outstanding and are constantly innovating. Eddie never really did that, which is his downfall.

Besides, any so-called "VanHalen" fan who hasn't heard the first two albums? WTF?! Just ignore anything VH did during or after the Hagar era.

Cobain? I could teach any student his material and - allowing said student actually practices - within 30 days they could emulate his guitar.

For some evidence of my claim, click on the link below and try to tell me this Vai tune (called "Building the Church" and performed live) isn't a guitar-players dream. It's expressive, soulful in its way, as well as being virtuoso in technique.

Link
 
2013-01-26 04:25:51 PM
I didn't know Cobain was in Van Halen! I thought he was just a one-hit-wonder.
 
2013-01-26 04:27:12 PM
There are alot of guitar players that cite EVH as the best and a direct influence.

But then again there are as many bands that cite Cobain.

However too many guitar players worry about every little thing and never play out.

A band that never plays out rarely lasts so the influence is and will always be greater.
 
2013-01-26 04:36:42 PM
Obviously a successful and influential guitarist...
But that goes on for 11 minutes? No thanks.

/subby deserves THOTY (Troll Headline Of The Year)
 
kab
2013-01-26 04:37:55 PM
Ah, it's the weekly "music is a contest" thread.
 
2013-01-26 04:40:19 PM

Funbags: From a virtuosity standpoint, Prince is first and its not even close.

/Cobain is outside the top 20
//Van Halen is outside the top 100.
///I dare any Farker to disagree that there are no fewer than 100 more skilled guitarists than Eddie Van Halen, who is in fact, a mediocre guitar player
////Come on, out yourselves.


well, that opens a can of shiat right there ....
Prior to 1979, there was Hendrix, Frank Marino and Robert Fripp in the rock guitar pantheon, then along came EVH and changed the game for everyone.
meanwhile, Allan Holdsworth laughed maniacally at them all ...

As a guitarist, there are 4 schools of guitar you MUST KNOW:
Chuck Berry, Hendrix, EVH and the blues. Hell, name 5 guitarists who are known by JUST THEIR FIRST NAME, and you have an icon.
sure, 10 year old kids cut their teeth on "Eruption" in every Guitar Center across the country, but Eddie farkING WROTE IT.

DS1970: I think I'm older than many FARKers. That PLUS being a guitarist myself, I would make the claim that Eddie is a very under-rated guitarist at this point. I remember well when VH1 came out...holy f*ck, Eddie turned the guitar world around!

EV's problem as a guitarist was that he never really progressed as a guitarist - the first two VH albums showed Eddie at his best.

Now you've got these great guitar soloists...Satch, Steve Vai, Eric Johnson, Tobin Abasi, John Petrucci, etc. - these guitarists are outstanding and are constantly innovating. Eddie never really did that, which is his downfall.

Besides, any so-called "VanHalen" fan who hasn't heard the first two albums? WTF?! Just ignore anything VH did during or after the Hagar era.

Cobain? I could teach any student his material and - allowing said student actually practices - within 30 days they could emulate his guitar.

For some evidence of my claim, click on the link below and try to tell me this Vai tune (called "Building the Church" and performed live) isn't a guitar-players dream. It's expressive, soulful in its way, as well as being virtuoso in technique.

Link


You bring up a lot of good points, but keep in mind, EVH was 10 times the rhythm player than he was a soloist, as are most great guitarists. He did some quality stuff with Sammy Hagar, even if it wasn't "Fair Warning" type stratospheric quality, there was some mean chops on them there records. To say that he never really progressed his technique is a vast under-appreciation of the man and his music. Sure, he's a corporate sellout whore now, but there's a reason people kill each other to have him endorse their products. The man is a guitar god, period.

Cobain? not so much ...
 
2013-01-26 04:44:34 PM

Funbags: From a virtuosity standpoint, Jeff Beck is first and its not even close.


You know, I agree!
 
2013-01-26 04:51:53 PM
I love Kurt Cobain.

/my favorite guitarist
//gonna watch me some Nirvana Unplugged
 
2013-01-26 04:52:37 PM
Jimmy Page hasn't been mentioned yet. He was kind of a big deal back in the day.
 
2013-01-26 04:53:56 PM
I don't think zombie Curt Cobain can make it to the guitar battle.
 
kab
2013-01-26 04:56:24 PM
One of the problems with this argument (and there are many problems with it) is that you're comparing a guitarist who writes songs to a songwriter who happens to play guitar.

And yes, they're 2 very different things.
 
2013-01-26 04:58:30 PM

ZoSo_the_Crowe: Funbags: From a virtuosity standpoint, Jeff Beck is first and its not even close.

You know, I agree!


Umm. no, unless your definition of "virtuosity" is rather narrow.
 
2013-01-26 05:02:29 PM
Frontrunner for Troll Headline Of the Year
 
2013-01-26 05:04:02 PM
Cobain was a great lyricist but an average guitarist. EVH played a great guitar. I don't know if he ever wrote any songs.
 
2013-01-26 05:20:31 PM

qsblues: ...keep in mind, EVH was 10 times the rhythm player than he was a soloist...


This, although the excellent meter that makes him a great rhythm player certainly contributed positively to his soloing talent.

If more guitarists started as drummers EVH wouldn't have stood out so much.
 
2013-01-26 05:22:56 PM
Debate? There's no debate.

Zappa.
 
2013-01-26 05:23:33 PM

Eufah Kennidiets: Umm. no, unless your definition of "virtuosity" is rather narrow.


Ability to produce new, unique sounds. That's virtuosity as a musician, any instrument. Not how cleanly and quickly you can play.
 
2013-01-26 05:24:10 PM

zinny: Debate? There's no debate.

Zappa.


Dweezil is pretty damn good.
 
2013-01-26 05:29:01 PM
Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt

ALL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince, fark I am sure I even missed a few who are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prince. fark that guy and fark you.
 
2013-01-26 05:33:25 PM

Funbags: From a virtuosity standpoint, Prince is first and its not even close.

/Cobain is outside the top 20
//Van Halen is outside the top 100.
///I dare any Farker to disagree that there are no fewer than 100 more skilled guitarists than Eddie Van Halen, who is in fact, a mediocre guitar player
////Come on, out yourselves.


Nonsense. EVH was a once-in-a-generation game changer. Even his most ardent detractors must concede that. Point, set, match.
 
2013-01-26 05:33:31 PM

Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
Tosin Abasi
Brian May
Jimi Hendrix
Tony Iommi
EVH (the fact you know who this is just by his initials means he one of the greatest)
SRV (Samsies)
Steve Vai
Dave Mustaine
David Gilmour
Angus Young
Robert Johnson
Duane Allman
Dimebag
John Petrucci (and I hate this cocksucker)
Ritchie Blackmore
Vivian Campbell
Slash
Buddy Guy
Frank Zappa
Eric Clapton
B.B. King
Chet Atkins
Jerry Cantrell
Keith Richards
Michael Schenker
Chuck Berry
Eric Johnson
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Santana
Michael Schenker
Joe Satriani
Jimmy Page
Al Di Meola
Joe Walsh
John Lee Hooker
Chuck Schuldiner
Alex Skolnick
George Lynch
Jeff Loomis
Nuno Bettencourt


1. You've obviously never heard Prince play guitar.
2. I hate seeing long lists like this and seeing that Mike Oldfield has been left off again.
 
2013-01-26 05:38:29 PM
the best

/suck it haters
 
2013-01-26 05:42:59 PM

whither_apophis: the best

/suck it haters


I don't know about The Best, but she is damn good.

/already owns most of her guitar albums
 
2013-01-26 05:43:30 PM

ZoSo_the_Crowe: Eufah Kennidiets: Umm. no, unless your definition of "virtuosity" is rather narrow.

Ability to produce new, unique sounds. That's virtuosity as a musician, any instrument. Not how cleanly and quickly you can play.


Yup. Jeff Beck is one of the most expressive guitar players alive.

It's an ironic statement, really. Thinking that speed = technique is the narrow viewpoint here. Take David Gilmour, and let's consider his iconic guitar solo from "Another Brick In The Wall". It's extremely technical, as technical as anything Yngwie or EVH ever produced. Don't believe me? Sit down and learn to play it. Not just the notes, anyone can do that. Learn every detail and nuance, every little bend, every little tweak, every special articulation. Study and practice it until you can play it identically to the recording, if you can, then talk to me about how it isn't technical.

Done with that? Great - now sit down and learn Jeff Beck's "Freeway Jam", or "Cause We've Ended As Lovers", again with every little nuance, detail and articulation. You will soon discover it's twice as hard as the Gilmour piece.

Beck is a virtuoso in every sense of the word. What's more, if you watch him today, you can see and hear how his style and feel have progressed over the years. His use of vibrato in particular is jaw-dropping.

Speed is just speed, anyone can become speedy with enough practice. Feel can't be taught, and IMO is much more impressive.
 
2013-01-26 05:44:00 PM
Who cares about all that, just look at this:

www.blogcdn.com

Weren't they just the cutest couple EVER?
 
2013-01-26 05:44:08 PM

Kyosuke: Dogfacedgod: Wow, the dip shiat who said prince is #1..you should get kicked in the ball sack (or vagina).


Randy Rhoads
...
Nuno Bettencourt

1. You've obviously never heard Prince play guitar.
2. I hate seeing long lists like this and seeing that Mike Oldfield has been left off again.


Sorry, I don't think I've heard Oldfield play guitar, but I'll look him up on Youtube. Prince may not be the agreed upon #1 guitar player, but he is an excellent guitar player. You're an idiot if you think that Prince's skill is "average".
 
2013-01-26 05:47:25 PM
Everything is better with the puppy bowl locker room audio in the background.
 
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