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(Politicus USA)   Fundamentalist pastor says that refrigeration removes sin, tells gays to go from the closet to the meat locker   (politicususa.com ) divider line
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2013-01-26 05:43:38 PM  
5 votes:
TFA: "But the reality is it doesn't change the fact that God has said a man shall not lie with a male like a woman and vice versa and he uses the word abomination, which is the strongest word in the Bible for hate that you can come across."

God wrote the word "abomination"? In ENGLISH??

That's more than a technical point. Leviticus 20:13's translation is highly disputed. It's nothing approaching a direct translation- the original used an exceptionally rare word, condemning the "Arsenokoitai"/"Arsenokoites/(arsenos ou koimethese koiten)". Literally, that would be "man-beds", and there's no other information. Paul repeated it in Corinthians.

This sourceless word has puzzled translators. Apostle Paul repeated the word and its condemnation, but he not a clear source, because Leviticus was literally hundreds of year old by then. Philo of Alexandria was a contemporary of Paul which gives SOME credibility to his interpretation the word as being known to mean "temple prostitution" in his time, implying that's what PAUL might have known it to mean. That practice itself is somewhat of a mystery, we don't understand the practice clearly. Some sort of pagan rite.

Scholars have also speculated it might mean pedophiles, male rapists, men who have anal sex with their wives, incestuous relationships, pagan fertility cultists. But it would NOT seem to mean "homosexual", because there's a specific word used for that, "androkoitai"/"androkoites". And there's other known words which could be used, too.

The declaration that it meant "homosexual", the " man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman" phrase, and the word "abomination" come from King James translation, early 1600's.
2013-01-26 06:28:59 PM  
2 votes:
If cold kills the ghey, then your homophobes ought to:

Come to Canada! Gay free since ... well, to be honest, never.

Not as long as humans and other mammals have been here at any rate. The "people of two spirits" were known to the natives well before the priests showed up and declared human nature to be an abomination before the Lord.

One of the first executions in Canada was an eighteen year old French soldier named Baby (The Baby family is an old French Canadian family, fairly distinguished, actually.) who was charged with sodomy (I believe he was a "catcher" and not a "pitcher" but I don't recall if the other soldier was also hung, I mean hanged.)

Speaking of gay, I just read an article which says the likely winner of the Ontario Liberal Leadership race is an openly gay woman (the other leading candidate is also a woman, but not openly gay). The party hopes that she will be able to steal votes away from the real left wing party in their fight against the real right wing party after open spats with the unions have made reelection chances a little shaky. On the first ballot, she (Wynne) came second but there will definitely be movement on the second ballot.

This election will follow old precedents in Canadian politics: electing a woman to clean up the mess after some idiot man leaves office. It happened with Mulroney (PM Campbell) and Richard Hatfield (the entire conservative party caucus in the Provincial Legislature was wiped out and the leaders of both Opposition parties were replaced by women). For a while there, the provincial Liberals had the Legislature all to themselves.

Yup. Putting men in the cooler really cures the ghey. Except when you are using the word "cooler" in the figurative sense, of course.

I recommend putting all Hater clergy on ice, regardless of religion, denomination or sects. Let them cool their heels in Limbo for a while.
2013-01-26 03:57:37 PM  
2 votes:
I'm filing this story away for the day when this dude is caught sucking dick in a bus station bathroom.

Well, I mean, maybe I'm being unfair, and that won't happen.  I mean, it might be an airport bathroom or the bathroom at a Denny's, or maybe a park.  It could be a public restroom anywhere.  It doesn't have to be a bus station's bathroom.
2013-01-26 11:20:31 PM  
1 vote:

El Dudereno: Aquapope: Great Porn Dragon: Oh, I'm a friggin' apatheist and that sounds friggin' YUMMY (would probably have to figure out where to get proper prawn, but could work nicely for some tiger shrimp :D...kind of like Filet Decidedly Anti-Kosher :D

I had it as an appetizer at a restaurant here in KC (J.Js on the Plaza). The "vein" of the giant shrimp (prawn?) was filled with horseradish, and the whole baconny/shrimpy thing was deep fried. 3 shrimps per order. I didn't order an entree, just ordered 2 more of the shrimpy mana appetizers. Time spent eating shrimp is not deducted from your lifespan.

Great Porn Dragon: (by hand, with every jot and tittle and cantillation mark absolutely PERFECT or they have to destroy it and start over)).

And I'll bet the destruction process is meticulously described and ritualistically performed.

Great Porn Dragon: (We won't even get into Revelation, which is basically a massive political cartoon slagging off Nero Domitian

I saw a thing on the Discovery Channel way back before they became the Fat People and Midget Hoarding Channel that described the Council of Nicaea or Trent (whichever one finalized the contents of what we call the bible). One guy wanted to put the book of Revelations into the bible, but everybody thought he was a nutjob. It took him over a year of politicking and promises and whatnot to get enough people on board to include Revelations. If you read Rev in context with the preceding books, it does kind of stick out as not belonging.

The rantings of a dehydrated, starving hermit. Somehow, there are people who take this story literally.


No, the Discovery Channel is pretty reliable.
2013-01-26 10:30:32 PM  
1 vote:

Aquapope: Great Porn Dragon: Oh, I'm a friggin' apatheist and that sounds friggin' YUMMY (would probably have to figure out where to get proper prawn, but could work nicely for some tiger shrimp :D...kind of like Filet Decidedly Anti-Kosher :D

I had it as an appetizer at a restaurant here in KC (J.Js on the Plaza). The "vein" of the giant shrimp (prawn?) was filled with horseradish, and the whole baconny/shrimpy thing was deep fried. 3 shrimps per order. I didn't order an entree, just ordered 2 more of the shrimpy mana appetizers. Time spent eating shrimp is not deducted from your lifespan.

Great Porn Dragon: (by hand, with every jot and tittle and cantillation mark absolutely PERFECT or they have to destroy it and start over)).

And I'll bet the destruction process is meticulously described and ritualistically performed.

Great Porn Dragon: (We won't even get into Revelation, which is basically a massive political cartoon slagging off Nero Domitian

I saw a thing on the Discovery Channel way back before they became the Fat People and Midget Hoarding Channel that described the Council of Nicaea or Trent (whichever one finalized the contents of what we call the bible). One guy wanted to put the book of Revelations into the bible, but everybody thought he was a nutjob. It took him over a year of politicking and promises and whatnot to get enough people on board to include Revelations. If you read Rev in context with the preceding books, it does kind of stick out as not belonging.


The rantings of a dehydrated, starving hermit. Somehow, there are people who take this story literally.
2013-01-26 09:56:12 PM  
1 vote:

Great Porn Dragon: Oh, I'm a friggin' apatheist and that sounds friggin' YUMMY (would probably have to figure out where to get proper prawn, but could work nicely for some tiger shrimp :D...kind of like Filet Decidedly Anti-Kosher :D


I had it as an appetizer at a restaurant here in KC (J.Js on the Plaza). The "vein" of the giant shrimp (prawn?) was filled with horseradish, and the whole baconny/shrimpy thing was deep fried. 3 shrimps per order. I didn't order an entree, just ordered 2 more of the shrimpy mana appetizers. Time spent eating shrimp is not deducted from your lifespan.

Great Porn Dragon: (by hand, with every jot and tittle and cantillation mark absolutely PERFECT or they have to destroy it and start over)).


And I'll bet the destruction process is meticulously described and ritualistically performed.

Great Porn Dragon: (We won't even get into Revelation, which is basically a massive political cartoon slagging off Nero Domitian


I saw a thing on the Discovery Channel way back before they became the Fat People and Midget Hoarding Channel that described the Council of Nicaea or Trent (whichever one finalized the contents of what we call the bible). One guy wanted to put the book of Revelations into the bible, but everybody thought he was a nutjob. It took him over a year of politicking and promises and whatnot to get enough people on board to include Revelations. If you read Rev in context with the preceding books, it does kind of stick out as not belonging.
2013-01-26 09:19:09 PM  
1 vote:

rynthetyn: I think you're the first person I've ever come across who's heard of the Army of God. When I started reading in more detail about them, it suddenly dawned on me that back in my teen years I'd had more than a few contacts with people connected to Army of God. And when I dug up the parts of the Army of God Manual that are available on the Internet, I started realizing that I'd heard pieces of it before from family friends--family friends who'd always insisted they believed in non-violence, something I have to wonder about now given that they had to have had a copy of the Army of God Manual. They're a bunch of nutcases.


I think I had a similar experience. Way back in the 70s my Uncle's family took me and my siblings to a "fun" water-park type of place. Yay! Swimming and playing in the water and too much fun! Nope. We had to sit through about 3 hours of indoctrination that consisted of "The war is coming, which side are you on?" and "God protects those who can protect themselves" and "We know the homos and niggras is gonna start a war, unless we start one first". That kind of thing. Then we got to swim for an hour. My brother (7 at the time) and sister (4) hated it more than I did because they didn't understand anything and just wanted to swim. I hated it because it was diametrically opposed to what I was taught Christianity was supposed to be. When I told my mom what the day was all about, she just about crawled through the phone and killed her brother. I found out decades later that he was part of a pseudo-survivalist religious nutjob group. Probably Army of God.

4 years later I was an atheist. Go figger.
2013-01-26 09:08:34 PM  
1 vote:

Great Porn Dragon:  Of course, this example of zealotry has since been misused by Christian Identity idiots (in calling for "racial holy war") and their sister movement in the New Apostolic Reformation (in particular, the NAR-linked Army of God domestic terrorist movement regularly declares terrorist acts as "Phineas (sic) actions")...)


I think you're the first person I've ever come across who's heard of the Army of God. When I started reading in more detail about them, it suddenly dawned on me that back in my teen years I'd had more than a few contacts with people connected to Army of God. And when I dug up the parts of the Army of God Manual that are available on the Internet, I started realizing that I'd heard pieces of it before from family friends--family friends who'd always insisted they believed in non-violence, something I have to wonder about now given that they had to have had a copy of the Army of God Manual. They're a bunch of nutcases.
2013-01-26 08:30:13 PM  
1 vote:
If eating pork in the Mid-East, circa 1000 BCE, was so damned dangerous that they incorporated a prohibition against it into their religion, why did just about every other culture not do the same. North Americans, Northern Europeans, Asians... they all ate pork. What was it about pigs in the Mid-East?

And eating shellfish today is OK because of refrigeration... well, what about eating shellfish just after you catch it, before it needs to be refrigerated? Why wouldn't that be OK with god? And just how long does shellfish stay sin-free in a fridge? Somehow, I think 2 month old clams in a fridge would be chock-full of sin. Wouldn't the sinitudenousness depend on the particular shellfish? Oysters: no sin until day 4. Shrimp turns sinny on day 5. How does canning figure into all of this? Is an unrefrigerated can of clams sinful if you haven't opened it? What if you ate a lobster that had just eaten an unrefrigerated oyster? Are you going to hell, or is the lobster? What about that fake Krab stuff? Is that fake sin? Personally, I think Krab is a crime, but I don't know about sin. What if you don't have a refrigerator? What if your refrigerator breaks? Shouldn't refrigerator repairmen be held in as high a regard as clergy, given that they are so important in keeping your shrimp-eating ass out of hell?

I am the Aquapope and i should have answers to these questions. Take, eat, this oyster po-boy is my flesh. Take, drink, this clamata beer is my blood.
2013-01-26 07:02:39 PM  
1 vote:
But ... wait ... if this were true.... then why do we have all these lesbians in Russia?
2013-01-26 06:48:14 PM  
1 vote:

Oznog: TFA: "But the reality is it doesn't change the fact that God has said a man shall not lie with a male like a woman and vice versa and he uses the word abomination, which is the strongest word in the Bible for hate that you can come across."

God wrote the word "abomination"? In ENGLISH??

That's more than a technical point. Leviticus 20:13's translation is highly disputed. It's nothing approaching a direct translation- the original used an exceptionally rare word, condemning the "Arsenokoitai"/"Arsenokoites/(arsenos ou koimethese koiten)". Literally, that would be "man-beds", and there's no other information. Paul repeated it in Corinthians.

This sourceless word has puzzled translators. Apostle Paul repeated the word and its condemnation, but he not a clear source, because Leviticus was literally hundreds of year old by then. Philo of Alexandria was a contemporary of Paul which gives SOME credibility to his interpretation the word as being known to mean "temple prostitution" in his time, implying that's what PAUL might have known it to mean. That practice itself is somewhat of a mystery, we don't understand the practice clearly. Some sort of pagan rite.



The word "Arsenokoitai"/"Arsenokoites/(arsenos ou koimethese koiten)" is more than just rare. So far as we can tell, it didn't even exist until Paul MADE IT UP. And it's entirely possible (though not certain) that Paul was unable to read Hebrew or Aramaic and relied on a Greek translation of Leviticus. when he made it up --- probably a bad translation.

As you say, exactly what Arsenokoitai" means is debated, and it comes two roots "man" and "bed", but one more possibility is that it really says specifically that men should not have sex with men IN A WOMAN's BED. That's the "-koitai" in "Arsenokoitai": "marriage bed," "bed belonging to a woman."

"But that's silly" you might say, "Why would God be ok with homosexuality in general, but not ok with with homosexual acts that take place in a woman's bed?" Keep in mind that separation of things was an essential part of religious purity for the people of the time. That's why there are rules in Leviticus about mixing different kinds of fibers or mixing meat and dairy. The concept of separate beds for men and women (or for sex with men and sex with women) is consistent with that notion of "purity."

At the very least, it can be said with some certainty that the word "arsenokoitai" refers to men only ("arsen" means "man" in Greek), so even if Paul meant to use the word to condemn same-sex activity, he was giving lesbians a pass.
2013-01-26 05:59:30 PM  
1 vote:
Uber Christain logic drains me mentally and emotionally.
Thus I am convinced that all fundamentalist Christians are really vampires and should be staked through the heart.


/makes about as much sense as they do.
2013-01-26 05:50:03 PM  
1 vote:
If you don't know Acts 10:11 you're really not much of a fundamentalist pastor.
2013-01-26 05:22:40 PM  
1 vote:
At least there is some semblance of twisted logic to his argument.  Reading the headline, I was assuming he wanted to put gays in freezers to freeze the gay out of them.
2013-01-26 05:16:57 PM  
1 vote:
Pretty sure most cities have a gay bar called "The Meat Locker"

Interesting comment about refrigeration, which does have some basis in fact. Many of the dietary restrictions did have to do with inability to preserve foods and disease from some foods. That being said there are many many verses in the Bible that have to be taken in context. If you pick in choose any argument can be made.

Be wary of those that base their position on one or two verses
2013-01-26 04:34:10 PM  
1 vote:

Chariset: bgddy24601: Chariset: I could defend this nutjob -- but I won't.

I would love to hear a defense, even if it is just someone playing Devil's advocate with a position that they do not actually hold.

What he's alluding to is the argument that dietary prohibitions (against pork or shellfish) were health measures and not eternal divine commands.  With the advent of better cooking and food handling measures, a lot of the danger of contamination or parasites is gone, so those injunctions can be waived.

Commands against homosexuality, he thinks, don't fall under a health mandate (because...um... God), though you could argue that they most definitely do and should also be set aside with the advent of condoms and better management for sexually transmitted diseases


Not to mention other hygiene issues. That is a big reason for circumcision. Reminds me about the Chris Rock skit on eating a pork chop.
2013-01-26 04:31:44 PM  
1 vote:
The Meat Locker. Is that a gay club members of the clergy hang out in?
2013-01-26 04:05:28 PM  
1 vote:

Chariset: What he's alluding to is the argument that dietary prohibitions (against pork or shellfish) were health measures and not eternal divine commands. With the advent of better cooking and food handling measures, a lot of the danger of contamination or parasites is gone, so those injunctions can be waived.

Commands against homosexuality, he thinks, don't fall under a health mandate (because...um... God), though you could argue that they most definitely do and should also be set aside with the advent of condoms and better management for sexually transmitted diseases


But now that we have condoms, birth control, antibiotics and vaccines, shouldn't the same standards apply to restrictions on sexual activities?
2013-01-26 03:16:35 PM  
1 vote:

bgddy24601: Chariset: I could defend this nutjob -- but I won't.

I would love to hear a defense, even if it is just someone playing Devil's advocate with a position that they do not actually hold.


What he's alluding to is the argument that dietary prohibitions (against pork or shellfish) were health measures and not eternal divine commands.  With the advent of better cooking and food handling measures, a lot of the danger of contamination or parasites is gone, so those injunctions can be waived.

Commands against homosexuality, he thinks, don't fall under a health mandate (because...um... God), though you could argue that they most definitely do and should also be set aside with the advent of condoms and better management for sexually transmitted diseases
2013-01-26 03:12:20 PM  
1 vote:

bgddy24601: Sounds like this pastor has seen fire AND rain.


Hey ain't it good to know that you've got a friend
in Jesus.

I find these religious nuts to be scary and comical.
 
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