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(NYPost)   State of NY to legal firearms owners, "Register your weapons, it's the law." Legal firearms owners to the State of NY, "Guns? I don't own any guns, and you can't prove it so go fark yourselves"   (nypost.com) divider line 99
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2013-01-26 04:43:26 PM  
9 votes:

xynix: WHHHAAARRGGGBBLLLEEEE

world.guns.ru


wow that sure fires a lot of lipstick

is that for an LGBT rally?
2013-01-26 02:30:06 PM  
8 votes:
That's why I refuse to register my car. It only makes it easier for the government to take it. For some reason. I guess.
2013-01-26 04:45:43 PM  
7 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-01-26 04:37:10 PM  
6 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-01-26 04:36:55 PM  
4 votes:
Mandatory registration? Come on, hasn't anyone seen the original x-men cartoon?
2013-01-26 04:32:59 PM  
4 votes:

xynix:
This is what is frustrating to gun owners..


Having to compensate for a small dick?
2013-01-26 05:08:51 PM  
3 votes:
I used to be a lot more in favor of ensuring that gun ownership stayed legal, but hearing from all these gun nuts is driving me further and further into the outright confiscation of everything camp. You farking gun nuts try to shoot down every single reasonable change in gun laws on the stupidest of grounds. The argument that "criminals won't obey gun laws so we shouldn't have laws" is patently false for everyone capable of farking reading; automatic weapon use in this country is virtually nil because of the de facto ban, and other countries that have implemented forms of gun control have seen serious declines in the rate of gun violence since. So every single time one of you mongoloids tries to pull that shiat, all it does is make me realize how utterly full of shiat you are on other things. Oooh, and then the protests about registration, while out of the other sides of their mouths they pillory the Democrats - and only the Democrats, mind you - when guns don't get properly tracked, as in Fast and Furious. Making gun owners responsible for securing their weapons against theft, which would seriously cut down on straw purchases? Socialism! Closing the gun show loophole? That's somehow an assault on every single freedom.

Fark them all. I loathe Cuomo for being a snake in the grass, but all of you worthless farks who won't bother to actually be part of the conversation got exactly what you farking deserved. I know that there's no real reason to ban muzzle brakes or flash suppressors, but you know what? You worthless farks have been so intransigent, so completely unhelpful in the gun control debate that I'm dancing for joy over it. The tree of liberty has been watered with the blood of enough schoolchildren (slaughtered with a weapon exempted from gun control because the gun control lobby bribed the Connecticut legislature) that the American people are more anti-gun than they've been in a generation, and now you motherfarkers have brought this down on yourself. Enjoy the confiscations of your penis extenders for failure to register. Enjoy the bureaucratic bullshiat that will be heaped on purchases of firearms. Enjoy having to track down seven-round magazines and hand in all your old ones. Maybe that will teach you a lesson about what happens when the only input you offer is "No" and the rest of us have to muddle along on our own.
2013-01-26 04:58:02 PM  
3 votes:
Seriously, the paranoid braying about the government coming to take your guns only makes it obvious that you're so goddamn unstable that you should never be permitted to even hold a loaded gun.
2013-01-26 04:35:57 PM  
3 votes:
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The government and you anti gun pillow biters can go fark yourselves.
2013-01-27 12:13:01 AM  
2 votes:

Harry Knutz: pedrop357: Harry Knutz: pedrop357, omeganuepsilon, et al

Stop dicking around. Answer.

Fine.

I'd ask why they bothered. What's the point in allowing the federal government to disarm the people and effectively neuter the militias?

They answer, "Because that's what we decided and we're the farking Framers so STFU."

Now, what do you do with your guns?


You would make a really shiatty DM.
2013-01-26 08:43:23 PM  
2 votes:

fredklein: justtray: fredklein: LavenderWolf: truthseeker2083: I don't have any guns, but when people are anti-gun/pro gun control, you aren't helping anything with the bs name calling. Saying 'gun nuts', or saying guns are replacements for small dangly bits, or any of those childish things just push people away from your side. I see gun owners explain how things work much better than I've seen gun control advocates explain their side. Due to the sheer immaturity and childlike name calling, you are hurting your argument. So much so, that while I used to be 'meh' on guns, I'm now leaning towards the gun owner's point of view. It may start with 'oh just register your gun, nothing will happen', but when governments want to crack down further, it'll just be that much easier. Right now it's just registration, what will it be tomorrow?

The "slippery slope argument" is a logical fallacy.

No. The slippery slope is only a fallacy if you cannot show the links from A to Z. If you can show the links, it is not a fallacy.

History provides plenty of examples where registration had led to confiscation. Does this absolutely prove it will this time? No. But it makes it a very real and reasonable possibility- one to be avoided.

In which democracy did that happen, historically?

I mean that is your argument right?

If I recall correctly California had people register their SKSs, then banned them a while later, conviently using the registration lists to know who to visit.


But don't worry! That won't happen again, promise!
2013-01-26 06:53:02 PM  
2 votes:

AssAsInAssassin: Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.

If there's one constant about gun nuts, it's that their over-reaching zeal enables lunatics to go on killing sprees. Then they blame everyone but the over-reaching gun nuts who defiled the 2nd Amendment and turned "a well regulated militia" into a mob of paranoid fanatics with delusions of persecution.

Go fark yourself. You are personally to blame for Newtown. You and all your verminous ilk who insist the Constitution says something it clearly does not say.


I blame you for cancer, so there!
2013-01-26 06:36:11 PM  
2 votes:
Everybody with a firearm should e-mail the President and inform him that today you did not commit any crimes with your guns. Every single day.
2013-01-26 05:53:27 PM  
2 votes:

Gyrfalcon: You may have a right to own guns. You don't have a right to own any particular KIND of gun


I look forward to your support for a bill banning dumbasses like you from fark.
2013-01-26 05:12:31 PM  
2 votes:
Ban them, confiscate them, imprison anyone who doesn't comply.

Why are we messing around with these lunatics? Mentally unstable people should not be allowed to own guns. Anyone who wants to own a gun and is not a hunter or in law enforcement is mentally unstable, and therefore shouldnt be allowed to own guns. QED.
2013-01-26 05:07:06 PM  
2 votes:

lilplatinum: xynix:
This is what is frustrating to gun owners..

Having to compensate for a small dick?


DRINK!

Anti-gun types really need some psychological help. I don't see this much talk about dicks in foobies threads.
2013-01-26 04:44:41 PM  
2 votes:

vpb: xynix: You don't look silly at all you just look like a moron. Cars and motorcycles are not in the constitution FYI.

I always wondered how things look through the eyes of someone who thinks that assault weapons are in the constitution and who is a criminal.

Honest law abiding people will register their firearms, criminals will not.  An unregistered gun in an incriminating object.  It is very difficult ro prove that someone was going to commit a crime in the future, but possession of an unregistered firearm is easy to prove.

A criminal (like you for instance) who caries an unregistered firearm has a chance of bring arrested for a firearms violation, hopefully before they shoot up a school.

It also helps separate the sane from the insane.  The sort of paranoids who think that the 2nd amendment was intended help them become terrorists to overthrow the government if it tries to take their guns are the very people who shouldn't be allowed to have guns.  Basically the sort of people who admit on the internet that they plan to commit felonies if they don't get their way (like you did).

So, yes, registering guns could reduce crime by a good bit, even without a ban on the more dangerous sorts of gun.


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2013-01-26 04:14:57 PM  
2 votes:
oi45.tinypic.com
2013-01-26 12:50:55 PM  
2 votes:
And when you call the cops to report a break-in and they see your unregistered gun, you get to go to jail and become someone's wife.

You're hardcore, dude.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 12:46:33 PM  
2 votes:
So much for "law abiding gun owners".

We need to legalize drugs to free up some prison space.
2013-01-26 12:44:55 PM  
2 votes:
Meh. I don't really see how requiring firearms to be registered is all that big of a deal.
2013-01-27 10:42:49 AM  
1 votes:

Harry Knutz: pedrop357, omeganuepsilon, et al

Stop dicking around. Answer.


Since that's not consistent with their statements on the topic, in the Federalist Papers and other sources, it's a meaningless question. What would you say to Ghandi if he walked in the door, took a big bite of a hamburger, and shot your dog?
2013-01-27 10:33:27 AM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: He reloaded frequently during the shooting, sometimes firing only fifteen rounds from a thirty round magazine
Link to article

So, one half-full(not over half-full), likely swapped when entering or exiting a room.
In no way refutes the notion that the victim's odds of survival might have better with lower cap mags.



Smaller magazines would have added a second or two delay. The same people would have died, just a couple seconds later.
2013-01-27 09:15:41 AM  
1 votes:

Giltric: Mrtraveler01: wee: vpb: We already know gun control works

If this statement were true, Chicago and DC and NYC would be crime-free.


Good point:

http://gothamist.com/2012/12/28/nyc_hits_record_low_murder_rate_in.p hp

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/03/dc-murder-rate-lowest-sinc e- 1961/

But...but...Chicago.

I don't think gun bans make that dramatic of a difference but ignoring the crime stats in NYC and DC and only focusing on the ones in Chicago because they agree with your worldview is a disingenuous argument to make.

NY is way different than it used to be. Now you can bring your family to Times square and not worry about getting mugged by any of the junkies. There are hardly any graffiti tagged train cars either. It could be something as simple as actually getting criminals off the street. Because tougher gun laws didn't clean up the train cars.


That sounds... Too simple.
It's the Rube Goldberg like nature of assault weapons bans that gives them their charm.
2013-01-27 03:32:07 AM  
1 votes:

Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.


If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who treat guns as fetish items need to learn to fark. Once you can cause a women to faint with pleasure, you'll have better things to do than play with guns.
2013-01-27 01:47:48 AM  
1 votes:

kptchris: You are required by law to register your AUTOMOBILE. Which of course can kill someone, or be used as law abiding transportation.

You are now required by law to register your GOD DAMN ASSAULT RIFLE THAT HAS NO OTHER INTENDED PURPOSE THAN A WEAPON OS MASS SLAUGHTER.

Deal with it you pussies. Grow up.


Nice argument you've got there. Sorry bout your small penis.
2013-01-27 01:31:37 AM  
1 votes:

Harry Knutz: Frank N Stein: Harry Knutz: Oh wait. That's your argument. Militias = private citizens. I get it now.

Are you denying that?

I think militias = militias. I think if the Framers meant individuals they would have said individuals.



"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

I guess this is the point where you say that "people" only refers to individuals who were around during the writing of the constitution, so with genetic drift and immigration from a wider variety of countries, only a handful of families still count as people under the definitions used at the time.
2013-01-27 12:55:47 AM  
1 votes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuetU76-fwE

I'll leave this hear in case anyone wants to watch a funny gun related youtube video. These guys crack me up.
2013-01-27 12:31:35 AM  
1 votes:

vpb: Fark It: vpb: A criminal (like you for instance) who caries an unregistered firearm has a chance of bring arrested for a firearms violation, hopefully before they shoot up a school.

This is what "reasonable" and "commonsense" looks like to anti-gunners.

Yes, how silly to think that someone who has said that they will commit a crime would actually do something criminal.

(you didn't reat the whole thread did you?)


When this whole thing started, I was mildly sympathetic to he gun control cause. After listening to the arguments of you and the many people like you, I am more convinced than ever of the need to protect our constitutional rights from the ignorant and afraid. Hell, you almost have me to the point where I'd join the NRA, and I really dislike the NRA.

I just thought you might like to know that your rhetoric is actively driving away the fraction of gun owners you might have a chance to persuade, just in case you are actually interested in persuading them.
2013-01-27 12:04:14 AM  
1 votes:

Harry Knutz: What do you do?


Hang 'em. They're obviously imposters, and since time machines don't exist they're liars and a fifth column engaging openly in high treason against the United States of America in the most disrespectful fashion.
2013-01-26 10:11:48 PM  
1 votes:
Because getting them registered is going to accomplish...the...see, it will prevent a...it will stop some of the...uh...what's the word...if we get this paper work done then there will be more...or less of it...and such as...JUST FLUCKING OBEY, MOFOS!!!
2013-01-26 09:08:17 PM  
1 votes:
There is a simple answer to all this

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2013-01-26 08:49:35 PM  
1 votes:

The Southern Dandy: Every gun in Switzerland is registered. Armed citizenry and gun registration are good things.


Switzerland is in the geographic and military version of a row of crack houses. The terrain favors the defender and they don't want to spend the money on a large standing army. The registration is useful to ENSURE private ownership and readiness to serve in an irregular force, I hardly think the purpose is similar in NY.
2013-01-26 08:42:04 PM  
1 votes:

truthseeker2083: Maximer: truthseeker2083: I didn't say anything worse would happen, merely that I'm uncomfortable about opening that door. I know what the government did once it had the Patriot act, I only shudder to think of what will happen if we give them power over more of our rights.

Will I need to register every one of my rights in order to use them? Where's the form to register my 1st, 4th, & 5th Amendments? I'll get to those other ones later...

According to some in this thread, that would be acceptable. I'll keep my rights free of registration... as long as I can.


The face that you would not like to have these dangerous rights controlled and registered by the government scares me? Why would you really need the right against unlawful search or seizures... or not to self incriminate? I mean, if you didn't do anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.

These "rights nuts" are always going on about freedom and liberty. It's insane. The government are the people and of course they would never do anything that may not be in the best interest of the people...
2013-01-26 08:34:39 PM  
1 votes:

justtray: muck4doo: justtray: Anyway, welcome to ignore.

Oh lookie who just started their "inferior" list

The funny part is you're not even worthy enough to be on it. You offer too much ignorant humor to be ignored. I keep you around for entertainment purposes only.


See. He only puts people he loses arguments to on ignore. Step up your game bro :P
2013-01-26 08:13:50 PM  
1 votes:

justtray: Anyway, welcome to ignore.


Oh lookie who just started their "inferior" list
2013-01-26 08:02:50 PM  
1 votes:

justtray: Wayne 985: If it helps reduce gun trafficking, or holds violators to a harsher penalty, I'm all for it. Every firearm should be registered.

There we go. Someone possesses common sense.


Your comments need to be registered with the government before appearing in public. Many idiots like yourself and Charles Manson have shown that speech by idiots leads to deaths. Please register first before posting again. After your thoughts have been approved you can then proceed to practice your first amendment rights.
2013-01-26 07:30:16 PM  
1 votes:

Harry Knutz: FYI, it also doesn't say "gun" in the Constitution.


It also doesn't say you have a right to be an idiot, but that doesn't stop you.
2013-01-26 07:24:53 PM  
1 votes:
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Jack Black would like to give you a heads up. The redcoats are coming for the weapons.
2013-01-26 06:49:00 PM  
1 votes:

shArkh: djh0101010:

Instead of taking my 20 round magazines away, or saying I can't buy more of them, which had NO effect in the 10 years the last time your people tried this, could we please, just stay with me here, could we please just have manditory 5 year jail time add-ons for anyone using a gun in a crime?


What a smashing idea! I'm certain that'll deter those pesky psychos who go into a school with a couple of drum magazines, empty-up and then save the last bullet for themselves.
"If it jams, I might get an extra 5 years! Better not bother then."

:| really?


Hang on...are you saying that a new law wouldn't prevent the psychos from doing psycho things?

/ keep going...you're almost there...just connect that last dot
2013-01-26 06:40:17 PM  
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.

Because according to gun nuts ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING IS OVERREACHING.  It's REGISTRATION, NOT banning or confiscating.  Some of us don't support bans or confiscating and still see no f--king reason why registration and background checks for everyone and reasonable restrictions are SO GODDAMNED OFFENSIVE TO SUGGEST.

Hell, even DISCUSSING guns was called overreaching ("too soon!!!").

GodDAMN I'm sick of it.


Take a breath, sweetie, you don't want to end up fainting.
2013-01-26 06:34:49 PM  
1 votes:

craig328: It was wrong for southern states to pass laws that violated peoples' civil rights in the old days. It's equally wrong for states to pass laws that violates people's civil rights today. It is a citizen's right to be possessed of the means to protect themself. Just because it's fashionable to be against this civil right (just like it was fashionable to be against "the darkies" way back when) doesn't mean it's any more right.

A person's civil rights can't be magically turned into a crime no matter how much some wish it could be done.


In what way is your right to keep and bear arms infringed by requiring you to tell the government which arms you keep? To be more clear, in what way does being forced to register a weapon prevent you from owning it or firing it?
2013-01-26 06:28:52 PM  
1 votes:

muck4doo: PsiChick: And you know, even if this bill completely passed, no one's touching your farking guns, just creating a new registry.

You should be registered to post on the internet.


Government can find out who and where I am whenever they want through my ISP.

Put a GPS tracker in all of your guns.
2013-01-26 06:23:55 PM  
1 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: PsiChick: Yes, because instead of, say, challenging this in the court system, we should encourage people to  actively ignore the law.

That's what all pot smokers do... though I'm sure no Farkers would ever violate the drug laws, of course. Honestly, who among us hasn't broken the law -- whether deliberately or inadvertently -- at least once in their lives? And yet in the vast majority of cases we hurt nobody by doing so. Legality is not morality, except to craven authoritarian types who believe that the government is the final arbiter of what is right and what is wrong (at least when the political party they support is in power; otherwise, they're all for civil disobedience, f*ck the system, rage against the machine, etc.)

As far as guns are concerned, the philosophical case for ignoring gun control laws is even more straightforward than the 2nd Amendment: the government rules with the consent of the people (at least when it is not a tyrannical government, in which case every citizen would have a duty to resist it). Since the State governs with our consent, it can only use force because we have granted it the power to do so in order to protect us, which logically means that the use of force originates with the people. Now, in the event that the State is unable or unwilling to protect the lives of its citizens from immediate danger -- which, let's face it, is most of the time -- the people are perfectly entitled to see to their own defence with whatever means they deem necessary; after all, the use of force originated with them in the first place.

tl;dr -- if you live in Detroit where 911 response times are be measured in hours because of local governmental corruption and mismanagement, you are entitled to own a handgun to secure your own safety and that of your dependents regardless of what the government of Michigan or the feds might have to say about it. After all, it's your country -- not the government's.


Scroll down, I was trying to make a different point, forgot to rewrite, and caught myself. Ignoring the law is,  in this case, a stupid protest--but that's a different, lengthy argument, so I just went with 'stop swearing in public, you nimrods, go lawsuit up'.

And you know, even if this bill completely passed,  no one's touching your farking guns, just creating a new registry. Slightly creepy, yes, but it's not actually violating jack shiat. You still have a gun. Nothing is stopping you from emptying a clip into King George III. You're fine. And you need a reasonable sense of what's actually happening because, like I said, this can be cleared up with a quick lawsuit.
2013-01-26 06:22:46 PM  
1 votes:

Harry Knutz: muck4doo: Harry Knutz: muck4doo: Harry Knutz: muck4doo: Harry Knutz: muck4doo: Gyrfalcon: You may have a right to own guns. You don't have a right to own any particular KIND of gun.

"You have a right to free speech, you don't have a right to a certain opinion."

/That is how dumb you look

No. It's "you don't have a right to certain expressions of your opinions." Like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. Or owning extended magazines.

There are laws against causing mayhem, nice try though. There are also laws against murder. Shocking, i know.

If there are laws against causing mayhem, might there not also be laws against owning extended magazines? Shocking, I know...

When was the last time a magazine assaulted you? Have you always had this fear of inanimate objects? I heard a rumor your pillow is out to kill you in your sleep.

If an extended magazine is so inconsequential, so... harmless, as you suggest, perhaps it's not actually an "arm" as defined by the Second Amendment.

Your pillow is planning on killing you tonight. Beware!

Tell me about the guns, George.


They will break in your house and let the magazines. The magazines will then drown you in your sleep. Calling 911 will save you as officer peterson comes in and....oh no! He has a magazine too!
2013-01-26 06:09:02 PM  
1 votes:
You have to register your car, pet, bicycle, why not your gun
2013-01-26 05:47:42 PM  
1 votes:
You may have a right to own guns. You don't have a right to own any particular KIND of gun. The government cannot necessarily impose a total gun ban, but they are totally within their rights to impose a ban on certain kinds of weapons. Even with the broadest possible reading of the 2d Amendment (which nobody has done yet), it only says a "right to bear arms". Nowhere does it say WHICH arms you can bear. And the Commerce Clause gives Congress the ability to regulate interstate goods, while the 5th Amendment requires only just compensation for taking of private property.

So if they want to ban all assault weapons, take them away from you, and pay you fair market value, they can do it at any time and you won't have a leg to stand on; provided you can still keep all your revolvers and shotguns. Heller and McDonald only say you can have guns for personal protection; they don't say you have to have state-of-the-art military-grade firearms. In fact, if the government said, "OK, you can have all the gunz you want, but they have to be muzzle-loading unrifled muskets" there wouldn't much anyone could say about it.
2013-01-26 05:45:52 PM  
1 votes:

LavenderWolf: He has been using guns since a kid, good for him. Ask anyone with any sort of military experience, or just some common sense, and they'll be able to give you a real reason why certain weapons are more dangerous than others. An M249 in the hands of a psychopath is far more dangerous than a Derringer. Saying all guns are equally dangerous is utmost foolishness.


I read about guys like you.. Generally it's a story about a guy who shot off his hand while cleaning his gun.
2013-01-26 05:40:58 PM  
1 votes:

Chariset: Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.

Sure.  What's a school full of dead children compared to your personal momentary inconvenience?


Well put.
2013-01-26 05:36:55 PM  
1 votes:

violentsalvation: kxs401: fredklein: kxs401: fredklein: kxs401: Seriously, the paranoid braying about the government coming to take your guns only makes it obvious that you're so goddamn unstable that you should never be permitted to even hold a loaded gun.

I love the logic.

"We're not gonna take your guns. The fact you think we are makes you crazy... So we're gonna take your guns!"

I'm not sure you understand how logic works, actually. Anyway, wanting to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people is not the same as a total gun ban. I understand that it would be the same thing to you -- because you're a paranoid nutbar -- but it's not actually the same thing.

Defining 'crazy people' as 'anyone who owns guns' IS the same as a gun ban.

No, I'm defining "crazy people" in this context as people like you, foaming at the mouth and ranting about something that's never going to happen. You're as nutty as the people stocking up food for the inevitable and imminent collapse of the world economy.

Keep shining, you crazy diamonds. The more people see you refusing to comply with reasonable legal requirements, the less resistance there will be among the general public to more reasonable legal requirements. Thank you for your assistance.

I'm not sure we're the ones foaming at the mouth crazy, paranoid about something that isn't going to happen, when we've provided examples that it has happened. In the USA. Registration has led to confiscation.


Yes, those big gun grabs in the US. Now no Americans have guns.
2013-01-26 05:36:29 PM  
1 votes:

pedrop357: ElBarto79: It's not just about making sure you're allowed to have them. Requiring expensive registrations for semi-autos would make them more of a hassle to acquire which means less people would buy them.

How is that not a violation of rights?


2 reasons;

1 - This would only be for semi-autos. You could still by bolt action guns and revolvers through normal channels.

2 - You could still acquire these weapons, it would just take a little longer and cost a little more.
2013-01-26 05:21:58 PM  
1 votes:
Why not just require people to register guns they plan to use in crimes?
2013-01-26 05:21:15 PM  
1 votes:

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Princess Ryans Knickers: Only criminals have something to hide.

Yea, law abiding citizens don't deserve privacy. What the hell is wrong with them?


You aren't law abiding if you are refusing to follow the law. You are a CRIMINAL. Therefore, according to the NRA and multiple Fark gun threads, you don't deserve to have a gun.
2013-01-26 05:21:00 PM  
1 votes:

xynix: The bolt-action 30-06 I have can take down a target a mile away in the right hands.. in average hands 1000-2000 feet.


It's kind of hard to paint the floors of an elementary school classroom with the brain matter of 27 students with a Remington 700, dude.
2013-01-26 05:20:42 PM  
1 votes:
In most the rest of the world, having reasonable access to health care is considered a basic human right.

In the United States, owning a gun is considered a basic human right. (Based on a very.... unusual interpretation of what some dead guys said around 300 years ago).

In the United States, guns are religion. They provided freedom, liberty, and everything good. That all came from a gun, and nothing else. Like the sun God who gives you warmth. So is the philosophy of someone who was entitled in a very different world. Also religion.

This is why you can't debate it. Because it is viewed as a religious, AND a human right. How do you change that?
2013-01-26 05:20:13 PM  
1 votes:

pedrop357: No, just hypocritical bullshiat for antigun types to jump all over the "we register cars" bit when they usually (always?) get twisted out of shape when people point how cars kill more than guns despite being regulated, licensed, etc.


And if cars are so much more dangerous, yet we register them, why is it so horrible that we register guns?

gja: That is not at ALL what I wrote.


Uh huh.
2013-01-26 05:20:09 PM  
1 votes:

gja:

Stop that. Those who are opposed to the gun controls, and have used the "car vs gun" analogy, drew fire from those of you who desire the gun controls legislation.
If the pro-gunners can't use the car/gun analogy then neither can the anti-gun folks.

Fair is fair. Nobody gets to use it. Now come up with a coherent and rational retort, or admit you haven't one.


Dog license. Pitt bull owners register their dogs. Exotic fish licences. Same thing. No one is running around taking either. And guess what, there are no vast armies of dog nuts and fish nuts refusing to get their yearly licenses.

But in the end what this comes down to is that there's a law requiring certain types of guns to be registered in NY. Registering the weapon in no way stops the owner from keeping or bearing the weapon, so the constitutional argument is out.

I have no problem with law abiding, mentally stable individuals without violent criminal records, owning guns. But lookie here. This thread is full of those supposedly law abiding gun owners who state they will break weapons laws. If all it takes is telling gun owners to follow this law you don't agree with that in no way harms you, to get these gun owners to break the law, then they aren't very law abiding.

Now, under this law, as soon as they use one of their unregistered weapons for self defense they'll be found out. Out hunting? Take a gun to a gunsmith? Caught. Disgruntled gun club employees will report members for owning unregistered guns. Disgruntled gun and ammo selling store employees will report customers who buy accessories for weapons that should be registered.

So, unregistered gun owners, when the police come knocking at your door in these circumstances with their search warrant, what exactly is it, besides surrendering and turning over the unregistered weapons, are you planning on doing? Breaking even more laws?
2013-01-26 05:18:27 PM  
1 votes:

xynix: Again.. people who know nothing about guns should not be involved in gun laws or even having the discussion around them. Respectfully said of course..


People who don't have vaginas should not be involved in abortion laws or even having the discussion around them. Oh wait.
2013-01-26 05:12:24 PM  
1 votes:

Begoggle: wee: vpb: We already know gun control works

If this statement were true, Chicago and DC and NYC would be crime-free.

You make the common mistake of defining "works" as "eliminates all crime", which is nothing more than a straw man.
"Reducing crime" is a better definition.
Has crime - specifically gun violence crime - been reduced in those cities?
Be honest now.


I live in Atlanta where everyone has a gun and the streets are safe at night.
2013-01-26 05:09:39 PM  
1 votes:

Kraftwerk Orange: Harry Knutz: Dear Gun Tribe:

No one is coming to take your guns. Chill the fark out. All your "This is the first step toward confiscationmageddon!1!!11!" paranoia only makes the rest of us think we should be taking your guns.

Thanks!

What's your thoughts on Step 2 after gun owners register? What happens then?


Nothing happens then. If you're not doing anything illegal, not a good goddamn thing will happen.
2013-01-26 05:09:06 PM  
1 votes:

pedrop357: cameroncrazy1984: That's why I refuse to register my car. It only makes it easier for the government to take it. For some reason. I guess.

Have the people pushing for car registration ever pushed for outright bans and confiscations on cars?

have governments ever used registration lists to demand that legally owned be turned over because they're no longer legal due to a change in the law and/or an attorney general issued an opinion invalidating a prior one?

No? Then Shut The fark Up.


What a ridiculous argument. Seriously. Nobody's going to take all of your guns.
2013-01-26 05:03:08 PM  
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Chariset: Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.

Sure.  What's a school full of dead children compared to your personal momentary inconvenience?

The appeal to emotion continues unabated, I see. Are there any other things you'd like to see built on the backs of dead children, or are you just doing what you guys always do, make tomorrow's bans the new normal to set the stage for the next opportunity?


It's like they're all fans of the PATRIOT Act or something.
2013-01-26 05:02:35 PM  
1 votes:

kxs401: Seriously, the paranoid braying about the government coming to take your guns only makes it obvious that you're so goddamn unstable that you should never be permitted to even hold a loaded gun.


I love the logic.

"We're not gonna take your guns. The fact you think we are makes you crazy... So we're gonna take your guns!"
2013-01-26 05:02:19 PM  
1 votes:
Well, that's typical of today's Entitlement Generation. No respect for the law. It's all me me me.
2013-01-26 05:02:15 PM  
1 votes:

djh0101010: Do you know that the NRA has been pushing for instant background checks for decades?



That didn't stop them and their supporters from complaining about Obama's suggestion to do exactly that.
2013-01-26 04:59:01 PM  
1 votes:

kxs401: Seriously, the paranoid braying about the government coming to take your guns only makes it obvious that you're so goddamn unstable that you should never be permitted to even hold a loaded gun.


SO MUCH THIS
2013-01-26 04:56:39 PM  
1 votes:
Dear Gun Tribe:

No one is coming to take your guns. Chill the fark out. All your "This is the first step toward confiscationmageddon!1!!11!" paranoia only makes the rest of us think we should be taking your guns.

Thanks!
2013-01-26 04:53:25 PM  
1 votes:

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 368x290]
[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 620x446]
The government and you anti gun pillow biters can go fark yourselves.


Your second picture makes me think Chicago is proof that the only people who endanger Americans are Americans. Foreigners are not a threat, even when you're at war against them.

Maybe it needs a better caption?
2013-01-26 04:52:06 PM  
1 votes:

Haliburton Cummings: BgJonson79: GAT_00: violentsalvation: vpb: Amos Quito: There. See how silly you look?

No.  Do I look as silly as someone who thinks playing with their toys and not having to register them like a car or a motorcycle is more important than preventing mass shootings?

Please, inform us how registration will prevent mass shootings.

What legitimate reason is there to not register?

Being Jewish and remembering what happened last time ;-)

play the emotional currency card fail is fail

that's as good as the "Hitler Banned Guns Too" fallacy.


HITLER BANNED THE GUNS
MAO BANNED THE GUNS
POL POT BANNED THE GUNS
HARPER BANNED THE GUNS
2013-01-26 04:51:07 PM  
1 votes:

BgJonson79: GAT_00: violentsalvation: vpb: Amos Quito: There. See how silly you look?

No.  Do I look as silly as someone who thinks playing with their toys and not having to register them like a car or a motorcycle is more important than preventing mass shootings?

Please, inform us how registration will prevent mass shootings.

What legitimate reason is there to not register?

Being Jewish and remembering what happened last time ;-)


play the emotional currency card fail is fail

that's as good as the "Hitler Banned Guns Too" fallacy.
2013-01-26 04:50:32 PM  
1 votes:

violentsalvation: Why would they? It isn't about curbing gun violence. Registration serves no purpose other than to make a list and treasure map for the next step of what disingenuous farksticks call "reasonable gun control". The big grab.


You're damned skippy. But not necessarily the way that you imply.

If you lose your gun license (felon, crazy, or whatever other reason), that prevents you from buying more guns, and gets you in deep shiat if you get caught with guns you already have. If all guns are registered, then there is data that enables the government to effectively enforce the law.

And to the "government wants us to register so they can round up all the guns more easily" argument: DIAF. That would require the government to enact laws that more than half of politicians oppose, as well as the courts, not to mention the people.
2013-01-26 04:49:49 PM  
1 votes:
Occupy My Gunsafe
2013-01-26 04:48:23 PM  
1 votes:
I wonder how many of these illegal gun owners are demanding we arrest the illegals?
2013-01-26 04:47:06 PM  
1 votes:
Are they signing up with the National Registry of Arms?
2013-01-26 04:46:59 PM  
1 votes:
Let's see, all these minutemen 'patriots' are at war with pro-lifers, black leaders, black people, gays, Mexicans, muslins, women, or basically anyone who isn't European Christian ancestry.

Now they want a piece of the United States Government.

Let's see how well they do.
2013-01-26 04:41:44 PM  
1 votes:

Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.


Because according to gun nuts ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING IS OVERREACHING.  It's REGISTRATION, NOT banning or confiscating.  Some of us don't support bans or confiscating and still see no f--king reason why registration and background checks for everyone and reasonable restrictions are SO GODDAMNED OFFENSIVE TO SUGGEST.

Hell, even DISCUSSING guns was called overreaching ("too soon!!!").

GodDAMN I'm sick of it.
2013-01-26 04:41:18 PM  
1 votes:
I would hope that if any of these guns that "don't exist" are eventually stolen and used in a crime, the original gun owner is charged with the same crimes as the perp.

If the gun is used in a murder, may they be put to death.
2013-01-26 04:40:25 PM  
1 votes:

Princess Ryans Knickers: Only criminals have something to hide.


Yea, law abiding citizens don't deserve privacy. What the hell is wrong with them?
2013-01-26 04:36:29 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: That's why I refuse to register my car. It only makes it easier for the government to take it. For some reason. I guess.


It makes it easier to track and trace. That's the whole point. That and revenue.
2013-01-26 04:36:04 PM  
1 votes:
Only criminals have something to hide.
2013-01-26 04:35:50 PM  
1 votes:
Oh, someone stole your guns? But you don't have any guns.
2013-01-26 04:32:14 PM  
1 votes:

xynix: A person could be shot 5-10 times and still survive the encounter with that gun.


I think that's if they are past the 5th grade. I think under the 5th grade and they can only take, like, 3 rounds if they're not wearing armor. Mythbusters did an episode, if I recall.
2013-01-26 04:30:15 PM  
1 votes:
It takes guns to take guns.
2013-01-26 04:11:49 PM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: Seriously, bullshiat.  And in the event your weapons are stolen, the ability to report they were stolen and establish that any following activities committed by someone using them is not your fault is a positive.

xynix: What legitimate reason is there TO register?

See above for one.


Nah. What you're asking for is another process which isn't needed and won't be followed by most gun owners. Do you know that when you buy a gun from a gun store that the serial number and owner are sent to the local ATF and then the federal BATF? Your DL# is associated with the SN of the gun. If my gun is stolen I would simply call the police and notify them that it was stolen and give them the SN. If you want to sell the gun you can choose to sell it through a gun broker and unassociate your DL# with the SN. You can also simply create a bill of sale and get it notarized so the ownership can be tracked. This would be rectified by making all gun sales require a background check which I would be fine with as again.. It would protect me when I swap guns with a buddy.

What you're asking for is redundant and unlike that idiot Vpb I know you're a smart guy.. People who don't own guns don't know the process and that's fine. The only thing to be accomplished by creating a "registration" division of the BATF is to create a profit center for an already bloated government that will serve no purpose other than to be redundant to a division of the BATF that already does this. Also.. FEES. So nah.
2013-01-26 04:01:00 PM  
1 votes:
Would it be acceptable to have gun registration if there were a change in the Constitution forbidding the Federal government (or any lesser government) to ever use such lists for the purpose of confiscation?

I'm not arguing for or against it.  I'm just wondering if those who worry about registration being a "grab list" would be happier if there were specific language that would essentially forever ban just what they are worried about.
2013-01-26 03:54:15 PM  
1 votes:

vpb: xynix: You don't look silly at all you just look like a moron. Cars and motorcycles are not in the constitution FYI.

I always wondered how things look through the eyes of someone who thinks that assault weapons are in the constitution and who is a criminal.

Honest law abiding people will register their firearms, criminals will not.  An unregistered gun in an incriminating object.  It is very difficult ro prove that someone was going to commit a crime in the future, but possession of an unregistered firearm is easy to prove.

A criminal (like you for instance) who caries an unregistered firearm has a chance of bring arrested for a firearms violation, hopefully before they shoot up a school.

It also helps separate the sane from the insane.  The sort of paranoids who think that the 2nd amendment was intended help them become terrorists to overthrow the government if it tries to take their guns are the very people who shouldn't be allowed to have guns.  Basically the sort of people who admit on the internet that they plan to commit felonies if they don't get their way (like you did).

So, yes, registering guns could reduce crime by a good bit, even without a ban on the more dangerous sorts of gun.


A ban on "the more dangerous sorts of guns?" And what gun is more dangerous than another gun for example? Something with 30 rounds in a clip is more dangerous than 3 individual clips of 10? Can you tell me what is more dangerous between my M&P 15-22 assault rifle which holds 25 rounds and my .45 which holds 10? I can swap a clip in my .45 in less than 2 seconds. Competitive guys can do it in less than 1/4 of a second - literally blink your eye and you'll miss it. I don't have to register my gun because in Georgia we're not all retards when it comes to fire arms. I'm a certified instructor in every discipline and I even machined the barrel for my .45 myself. I make my own ammo.. I've been shooting since I was 8. For instance I know that one gun is as dangerous as any other gun.

People like you who have no farking clue what you're talking about are the problem. You think that assault rifle I own is more dangerous than the .45 I own? I can shoot a 1 inch group at 25 yards all day with that .45 and I pump out 30 rounds in 10 seconds. Do you even know what that means? Again.. you're a moron reaching high to become an idiot.
2013-01-26 03:49:05 PM  
1 votes:

vpb: Amos Quito:

"All those school shootings" combined are but a fraction of a percentage of all gun-related crimes.

So they don't matter and there's no point in doing anything about them, right?


"We have to do something!"
2013-01-26 03:18:43 PM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: xynix: Come on now Gat.. You know how the government works. With registration comes registration fees for one thing. Then comes a new government arm of the BATF specifically built for handling registrations.. Another 1000 empty suits processing paperwork. First the fee will be 20 or 30 bucks then it will be 100 bucks and then who knows what else.

When I get a fishing license I pay a fee.. That's fine as the DNR stocks the rivers and lakes with 100s of thousands of fish. My fee goes to a legit and tangible thing. When I get my hunting license the same thing applies as the DNR maintains the roads to get into the places where I hunt and they also stock the feeders where the deer feed during harsh winter months. Again I have something tangible for my fee. The same can be said about a car as the money I'm paying for goes to pay for roads and stop signs .. lights and rest areas. It's tangible. What do I get for my gun registration fee?

It goes beyond that anyway.. I'm constitutionally granted a right to own guns and I'm not going to register them for any reason what-so-ever and I have enough money to pay a lawyer to fight such a thing if a law like that were ever passed. I would take it to the supreme court. This shiat will not happen to me:

So, tinfoil.  If you register it, it will be taken away, because we all know that once you register your car, you're just waiting for someone to come confiscate it.



Looking at your profile, I see that you have declined to list all of your personal information - real name,  DOB, home and work address, phone number, name of spouse, children (and all of their related info) etc.

Why is that?

Sure, here in America you have a "right" to free speech, but why should you be able to do so under a pseudonym?

Sure, you may be a law abiding citizen, but we all know that there ARE people out there who might say things that are offensive, threatening or even treasonous. Hell, some people might even abuse their "right" to speech by inciting others to do bad things.

Don't you think this whole "free speech" thing is getting out of hand?

Are you ready to register your keyboard?
2013-01-26 02:59:45 PM  
1 votes:

xynix: Come on now Gat.. You know how the government works. With registration comes registration fees for one thing. Then comes a new government arm of the BATF specifically built for handling registrations.. Another 1000 empty suits processing paperwork. First the fee will be 20 or 30 bucks then it will be 100 bucks and then who knows what else.

When I get a fishing license I pay a fee.. That's fine as the DNR stocks the rivers and lakes with 100s of thousands of fish. My fee goes to a legit and tangible thing. When I get my hunting license the same thing applies as the DNR maintains the roads to get into the places where I hunt and they also stock the feeders where the deer feed during harsh winter months. Again I have something tangible for my fee. The same can be said about a car as the money I'm paying for goes to pay for roads and stop signs .. lights and rest areas. It's tangible. What do I get for my gun registration fee?

It goes beyond that anyway.. I'm constitutionally granted a right to own guns and I'm not going to register them for any reason what-so-ever and I have enough money to pay a lawyer to fight such a thing if a law like that were ever passed. I would take it to the supreme court. This shiat will not happen to me:


So, tinfoil.  If you register it, it will be taken away, because we all know that once you register your car, you're just waiting for someone to come confiscate it.
2013-01-26 02:55:18 PM  
1 votes:

xynix: What do I get for my gun registration fee?


You get to keep the guns that we've approved! For now.
2013-01-26 02:42:04 PM  
1 votes:

violentsalvation: vpb: Amos Quito: There. See how silly you look?

No.  Do I look as silly as someone who thinks playing with their toys and not having to register them like a car or a motorcycle is more important than preventing mass shootings?

Please, inform us how registration will prevent mass shootings.


What legitimate reason is there to not register?
2013-01-26 02:20:22 PM  
1 votes:

vpb: Amos Quito: There. See how silly you look?

No.  Do I look as silly as someone who thinks playing with their toys and not having to register them like a car or a motorcycle is more important than preventing mass shootings?



Far more silly, actually.

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You're in the right place.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 02:08:56 PM  
1 votes:

xynix: True story.. I'm a gun owner and I will never register my gun with any agency.. state or federal. I'm not going to be forced to do something criminals don't have to do. The government can go fark themselves.


Another criminal with access to guns.

You should really move somewhere where they don't have government.  Like the tribal areas of Pakistan or Somalia.  You can be all Mad Max there.
2013-01-26 01:38:12 PM  
1 votes:

Vodka Zombie: Meh. I don't really see how requiring firearms to be registered is all that big of a deal.



Makes confiscation a whole lot easier.


vpb: So much for "law abiding gun owners".

We need to legalize drugs to free up some prison space.



End the Drug War and most gun-related crimes will disappear.

Naturally,
2013-01-26 01:34:57 PM  
1 votes:
Why would they? It isn't about curbing gun violence. Registration serves no purpose other than to make a list and treasure map for the next step of what disingenuous farksticks call "reasonable gun control". The big grab.
2013-01-26 01:14:18 PM  
1 votes:

Chariset: Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.

Sure.  What's a school full of dead children compared to your personal momentary inconvenience?


Registration would have prevented school shootings? It seems to me that the only purpose of registration is confiscation, especially after reading and paying attention to what the gun-banners are saying.
2013-01-26 12:50:52 PM  
1 votes:

Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.


Sure.  What's a school full of dead children compared to your personal momentary inconvenience?
2013-01-26 12:46:37 PM  
1 votes:
The government doesn't know about my gun.  I didn't pluralize that, I only have one shotgun that was given to me years ago.  I'm not gun nut, in fact I am fully in favor of an aggressive ban on assault weapons, but the government doesn't need to know about ANYTHING that is within my private property.
2013-01-26 12:39:23 PM  
1 votes:
Good.
 
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