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(NYPost)   State of NY to legal firearms owners, "Register your weapons, it's the law." Legal firearms owners to the State of NY, "Guns? I don't own any guns, and you can't prove it so go fark yourselves"   (nypost.com) divider line 1301
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2013-01-26 06:50:11 PM

omeganuepsilon: LavenderWolf: You're both fools.

He has been using guns since a kid, good for him. Ask anyone with any sort of military experience, or just some common sense, and they'll be able to give you a real reason why certain weapons are more dangerous than others. An M249 in the hands of a psychopath is far more dangerous than a Derringer. Saying all guns are equally dangerous is utmost foolishness.

Ah, but a derringer in a psychopath's hands is far more dangerous than any sort of weapon(barring experimental fusion cannons or some such) in a law abiding citizen's hands.

But yeah, those people are the fools, not you, neeeeeever.


But, yeah, if you just completely change the intent and scope of what I said, it magically becomes indefensible! I guess you're right.

Oh, wait, no. That's a pretty common fallacy. That straw man sure took a beating.

Meanwhile, my completely sound argument - some firearms are, in fact, more capable of killing more people, faster - is unaffected.
 
2013-01-26 06:50:13 PM

xynix: It's actually legal to own weapons grade uranium if you have the proper permit. An assault weapons ban would allow me to manufacture a nuclear missile, if I had the proper paperwork, but not an assault rifle. That's why this discussion is silly.


Uh, no. It would not. Nuclear weapons fall under the auspices of the DOD and DOE in the United States, and high level nuclear material is HEAVILY restricted and tracked thanks to domestic laws and international treaty requirements. A nuclear weapon's physics package is a little more complex than you seem to think. You'd kill yourself from radiation poisoning before you'd build a functional weapon.

Or you'd die from lead poisoning when the DOE NEST Team decided to raid your house and pop you in the head.
 
2013-01-26 06:50:17 PM

AssAsInAssassin: Go fark yourself. You are personally to blame for Newtown. You and all your verminous ilk who insist the Constitution says something it clearly does not say.


You sound mad. Tell us again what a registry would accomplish.
 
2013-01-26 06:50:59 PM

craig328: dahmers love zombie: I'm just wondering if those who worry about registration being a "grab list" would be happier if there were specific language that would essentially forever ban just what they are worried about.


We already have that language. It reads "shall not be infringed upon". Srsly, it's there. Look it up.


This. If they're disregarding what's written right there in the Bill of Rights, what good will some exceptions to a new law do?
 
2013-01-26 06:51:47 PM

Securitywyrm: "No law shall restrict the right of a law abiding citizen to bear arms of greater restriction than those placed upon law enforcement." There you go. Police can have a handgun? I can have a handgun. Police can have an AR-15? I can have an AR 15. Police can't have a rocket launcher? Guess what, I CAN'T have a rocket launcher.
Unless you want the police to be better armed than law-abiding citizens, which indicates the police are there to oppress rather than protect.


Sounds reasonable to me.
 
2013-01-26 06:52:14 PM

xynix: LavenderWolf: He has been using guns since a kid, good for him. Ask anyone with any sort of military experience, or just some common sense, and they'll be able to give you a real reason why certain weapons are more dangerous than others. An M249 in the hands of a psychopath is far more dangerous than a Derringer. Saying all guns are equally dangerous is utmost foolishness.

I read about guys like you.. Generally it's a story about a guy who shot off his hand while cleaning his gun.


I have more than adequate training in how to operate, clean, and service a variety of firearms.
 
2013-01-26 06:52:27 PM

Gyrfalcon: You may have a right to own guns. You don't have a right to own any particular KIND of gun. The government cannot necessarily impose a total gun ban, but they are totally within their rights to impose a ban on certain kinds of weapons. Even with the broadest possible reading of the 2d Amendment (which nobody has done yet), it only says a "right to bear arms". Nowhere does it say WHICH arms you can bear. And the Commerce Clause gives Congress the ability to regulate interstate goods, while the 5th Amendment requires only just compensation for taking of private property.

So if they want to ban all assault weapons, take them away from you, and pay you fair market value, they can do it at any time and you won't have a leg to stand on; provided you can still keep all your revolvers and shotguns. Heller and McDonald only say you can have guns for personal protection; they don't say you have to have state-of-the-art military-grade firearms. In fact, if the government said, "OK, you can have all the gunz you want, but they have to be muzzle-loading unrifled muskets" there wouldn't much anyone could say about it.


Heller specifically protected firearms that are in common use. Also the idea that the government would pay market value for seized firearms is laughable.
 
2013-01-26 06:52:30 PM

vpb: You should really move somewhere where they don't have government. Like the tribal areas of Pakistan or Somalia.


New York already has certain areas of Newburgh that will do just fine in that regard.
 
2013-01-26 06:52:49 PM

Harry Knutz: But that's the entire point. There are responsible, educated gun owners who could train themselves to swap out magazines in a split second if they had to. They don't have to. What extended magazines do is enable anyone to unload a deadly hail of bullets. Without training. Without thought. It's not unreasonable to question the necessity of an extended magazine in this context. I don't personally know you, obviously, but I do not begrudge you your hobby in the slightest. You have all the appearance of being exactly the type of person I would want to own guns, if anybody is to own them. So why can't we sit down together and come up with some common sense restrictions that strike a fair balance?


Good point - allowing the average Joe access to bullet counts practiced individuals would only have needs a level of control.. All for compromises and balance but to me bans don't make sense. The compromise for me is background checks on everyone. I'm all for background checks across the board from personal dealings to gun shows. I don't mind giving my gun store dealer a $10 gratuity to handle the sale of a gun and in fact when I buy guns online that's exactly what happens. A guy from Montana ships the gun to Scott who lives in Cumming (yes i know) and I go up to his place and sign some paperwork.. Give him a 10er and I have a new gun that was tracked by the BATF. I use Scott whenever I sell or trade a personal gun as well just to make sure the paperwork is all pointed in the right direction. This is all to protect me you see or to protect someone else selling a gun.

I will never support any ban on any gun or clip though and I will never go through another registration process for the purposes of paying a made up tax on information that is redundant. That is the core of the argument.. Government doing something to create the illusion of "protecting the population" via TSA like methods which in fact have absolutely no success in stopping anything from happening. The fact that I can literally print an extended magazine via a 3D printer and all I need to add is a spring I got from a gunshow or online (because we're not going to ban a farking spring) to complete it makes this conversation about bans even less relevant. If I'm a criminal I'll just print whatever is banned and steal whatever isn't.

The gun laws as they are aren't fine. There is a gaping hole in the background check process but even with that said it would not have changed practically any of the mass murders that have happened. Almost universally the guns used in those crimes were obtained illegally.
 
2013-01-26 06:53:02 PM

AssAsInAssassin: Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.

If there's one constant about gun nuts, it's that their over-reaching zeal enables lunatics to go on killing sprees. Then they blame everyone but the over-reaching gun nuts who defiled the 2nd Amendment and turned "a well regulated militia" into a mob of paranoid fanatics with delusions of persecution.

Go fark yourself. You are personally to blame for Newtown. You and all your verminous ilk who insist the Constitution says something it clearly does not say.


I blame you for cancer, so there!
 
2013-01-26 06:53:45 PM

BronyMedic: Or you'd die from lead poisoning when the DOE NEST Team decided to raid your house and pop you in the head.


It's always funny how it's anti-gun and/or leftie types who talk like this.
 
2013-01-26 06:54:03 PM

GoldSpider: Securitywyrm: "No law shall restrict the right of a law abiding citizen to bear arms of greater restriction than those placed upon law enforcement." There you go. Police can have a handgun? I can have a handgun. Police can have an AR-15? I can have an AR 15. Police can't have a rocket launcher? Guess what, I CAN'T have a rocket launcher.
Unless you want the police to be better armed than law-abiding citizens, which indicates the police are there to oppress rather than protect.

Sounds reasonable to me.


Same here. The militarization of police forces is no small issue. IFVs for police? DAFUQ?
 
2013-01-26 06:54:43 PM

Haliburton Cummings: Krab: I think it was a Jews had to "register" thing not a gun point he was making.

oh it's not about guns..but in a gun thread ....
so it's a census issue?

so..Jews shouldn't vote because......they have to register?

man oh man...


So i need to ask do you own stock in a scarecrow company? Because with all of the strawmen you are using someone is making a mint.
 
2013-01-26 06:54:51 PM

pedrop357: BronyMedic: Or you'd die from lead poisoning when the DOE NEST Team decided to raid your house and pop you in the head.

It's always funny how it's anti-gun and/or leftie types who talk like this.


Not nearly as funny as when someone who lives by the gun dies by it.
 
2013-01-26 06:55:14 PM

LavenderWolf: xynix: LavenderWolf: He has been using guns since a kid, good for him. Ask anyone with any sort of military experience, or just some common sense, and they'll be able to give you a real reason why certain weapons are more dangerous than others. An M249 in the hands of a psychopath is far more dangerous than a Derringer. Saying all guns are equally dangerous is utmost foolishness.

I read about guys like you.. Generally it's a story about a guy who shot off his hand while cleaning his gun.

I have more than adequate training in how to operate, clean, and service a variety of firearms.


Sounds like you also have training in how to take them away from your fellow citizens.
 
2013-01-26 06:55:59 PM
Harsher penalties for gun crimes. Murder 20 years, gun murder life.

Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 850x790]

These handy stats from the FBI might help some of the SHARPER kids in the class understand why BANNING SCARY ASSAULT weapons is actually nothing more than an appeal to EMOTION - a flaccid jerk-off.

Of course the s-l-o-w-e-r kids in the class won't get it, but they're too busy looking for their galoshes and sun-screen anyway.

Here's a link to the FBI page


So you're saying ban handguns?

/i jus keeding
 
2013-01-26 06:56:28 PM
You are required by law to register your AUTOMOBILE. Which of course can kill someone, or be used as law abiding transportation.

You are now required by law to register your GOD DAMN ASSAULT RIFLE THAT HAS NO OTHER INTENDED PURPOSE THAN A WEAPON OS MASS SLAUGHTER.

Deal with it you pussies. Grow up.
 
2013-01-26 06:56:31 PM

TheJoe03: AssAsInAssassin: Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.

If there's one constant about gun nuts, it's that their over-reaching zeal enables lunatics to go on killing sprees. Then they blame everyone but the over-reaching gun nuts who defiled the 2nd Amendment and turned "a well regulated militia" into a mob of paranoid fanatics with delusions of persecution.

Go fark yourself. You are personally to blame for Newtown. You and all your verminous ilk who insist the Constitution says something it clearly does not say.

What gun control measure would have prevented these massacres, you crazy person? Blaming all gun owners for the death of children is pretty disgusting.


You're absolutely right. We must do nothing at all to confront the gun fetishism and the culture of violence in this country. The pro-gun side has done nothing in the past month to reinforce that these problems exist.
 
2013-01-26 06:56:41 PM

LoneWolf343: pedrop357: BronyMedic: Or you'd die from lead poisoning when the DOE NEST Team decided to raid your house and pop you in the head.

It's always funny how it's anti-gun and/or leftie types who talk like this.

Not nearly as funny as when someone who lives by the gun dies by it.


Lefties think gun deaths are funny, or useful?
 
2013-01-26 06:56:48 PM
wtf where did that harsher penaties text come from?
 
2013-01-26 06:56:56 PM

craig328: Cheviot: craig328: It was wrong for southern states to pass laws that violated peoples' civil rights in the old days. It's equally wrong for states to pass laws that violates people's civil rights today. It is a citizen's right to be possessed of the means to protect themself. Just because it's fashionable to be against this civil right (just like it was fashionable to be against "the darkies" way back when) doesn't mean it's any more right.

A person's civil rights can't be magically turned into a crime no matter how much some wish it could be done.

In what way is your right to keep and bear arms infringed by requiring you to tell the government which arms you keep? To be more clear, in what way does being forced to register a weapon prevent you from owning it or firing it?


Perhaps you were out of class the day they discussed the word "infringed"...as in "shall not be infringed upon". That said, in what way was being required to pay a poll tax infringing upon the means for certain folks to vote? How about all the "separate but equal" accommodations when it came to public transit? Those were all odious restrictions on people's rights and they were wrong. But this will be okay because you personally don't feel like that right impacts you?

How about an even better question: what exactly does a registry allow the government (since they're the ones pushing for such a thing) to do? It does absolutely zero to deter any crime in any way. It's a list of those who own a gun and where they live. Why not also have Google keep a registry of all the terms you search on and submit that to the government? How about your ISP submits the list of sites you've visited? You know...per some kind of anti-terrorist thingy?


I noticed you didn't bother answering my question, so I'll repeat it.

In what way does being forced to register a weapon prevent you from owning it or firing it? Before you answer, note that there is no charge under the NY law to register a weapon.
 
2013-01-26 06:57:02 PM

muck4doo: I like how authoritarians are now all for having to register practicing a right. I bet these same asstards were against having to show ID while voting.


DING DING DING....WE HAVE A WINNER!
 
2013-01-26 06:57:04 PM

muck4doo: LavenderWolf: xynix: LavenderWolf: He has been using guns since a kid, good for him. Ask anyone with any sort of military experience, or just some common sense, and they'll be able to give you a real reason why certain weapons are more dangerous than others. An M249 in the hands of a psychopath is far more dangerous than a Derringer. Saying all guns are equally dangerous is utmost foolishness.

I read about guys like you.. Generally it's a story about a guy who shot off his hand while cleaning his gun.

I have more than adequate training in how to operate, clean, and service a variety of firearms.

Sounds like you also have training in how to take them away from your fellow citizens.


I haven't expressed any desire to have the right to bear arms curtailed.

Do you understand? I like guns. I think people should be free to own guns.
 
2013-01-26 06:57:45 PM

gimmegimme: TheJoe03: AssAsInAssassin: Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.

If there's one constant about gun nuts, it's that their over-reaching zeal enables lunatics to go on killing sprees. Then they blame everyone but the over-reaching gun nuts who defiled the 2nd Amendment and turned "a well regulated militia" into a mob of paranoid fanatics with delusions of persecution.

Go fark yourself. You are personally to blame for Newtown. You and all your verminous ilk who insist the Constitution says something it clearly does not say.

What gun control measure would have prevented these massacres, you crazy person? Blaming all gun owners for the death of children is pretty disgusting.

You're absolutely right. We must do nothing at all to confront the gun fetishism and the culture of violence in this country. The pro-gun side has done nothing in the past month to reinforce that these problems exist.


Care to point out to me where I said that?
 
2013-01-26 06:58:10 PM

jehovahs witness protection: muck4doo: I like how authoritarians are now all for having to register practicing a right. I bet these same asstards were against having to show ID while voting.

DING DING DING....WE HAVE A WINNER!


Because voting and owning guns are the same thing! A vote is just as lethal as a bullet! And one day we'll be able to throw off the shackles of our vehicle registration laws.
 
2013-01-26 06:58:11 PM

pedrop357: It's always funny how it's anti-gun and/or leftie types who talk like this.


Really? That's the post you choose to white knight? I'm pretty sure that Domestic Nuclear Anti-Terrorism teams have a "Shoot First, ask questions later" policy since 9/11 towards idiots who have high level nuclear material strapped to explosives. You have someone claiming that he can legally possess what amounts to a "dirty bomb", nuclear material-spiked explosives, which are specifically defined as weapons of mass destruction by the United States law.

As far as Anti-Gun, both yourself and several others have worked hard to paint me as someone who supports gun confiscation, supports the repeal of the second amendment, and is happy to see other people being victims of violent crime.

Why don't you actually ASK me how I feel about the second amendment and firearms in the United States, and realize it's far more complex than trying to claim because I disagree with you on things, that I want that evil black Kenyan communist to march into your house and rip your guns away from you.
 
2013-01-26 06:58:42 PM

BronyMedic: xynix: It's actually legal to own weapons grade uranium if you have the proper permit. An assault weapons ban would allow me to manufacture a nuclear missile, if I had the proper paperwork, but not an assault rifle. That's why this discussion is silly.

Uh, no. It would not. Nuclear weapons fall under the auspices of the DOD and DOE in the United States, and high level nuclear material is HEAVILY restricted and tracked thanks to domestic laws and international treaty requirements. A nuclear weapon's physics package is a little more complex than you seem to think. You'd kill yourself from radiation poisoning before you'd build a functional weapon.

Or you'd die from lead poisoning when the DOE NEST Team decided to raid your house and pop you in the head.


Just for fun you did see the "proper permit" part right? Lockheed Martin.. General Dynamics.. You don't think the DOD actually manufactured it's own weapons did you? ;)

LavenderWolf: I have more than adequate training in how to operate, clean, and service a variety of firearms.


Then you should appreciate that all firearms are equally as deadly. 101.
 
2013-01-26 06:58:51 PM

xynix: Almost universally the guns used in those crimes were obtained illegally.


But the weapons in Newtown were obtained legally. Had the mother in that instance (the mother being the untrained, uneducated person I described above) not been able to purchase extended magazines, the damage might have been less extensive. To be fair, I'm not saying that it would have prevented the rampage from happening in the first place -- that likely would have happened regardless, because the gunman was mentally ill and motivated -- but it might have been mitigated by the need to change magazines.
 
2013-01-26 06:59:15 PM

kptchris: You are required by law to register your AUTOMOBILE. Which of course can kill someone, or be used as law abiding transportation.

You are now required by law to register your GOD DAMN ASSAULT RIFLE THAT HAS NO OTHER INTENDED PURPOSE THAN A WEAPON OS MASS SLAUGHTER.

Deal with it you pussies. Grow up.


Authoritarianism has a new tool. kptchris for the government team! kpt post go boom!
 
2013-01-26 06:59:21 PM

muck4doo: LoneWolf343: pedrop357: BronyMedic: Or you'd die from lead poisoning when the DOE NEST Team decided to raid your house and pop you in the head.

It's always funny how it's anti-gun and/or leftie types who talk like this.

Not nearly as funny as when someone who lives by the gun dies by it.

Lefties think gun deaths are funny, or useful?


I think it's both, and they always love the imagery and hyperbole. lead poisoning. popped in the head, paint floors red, etc.

I think it shows what kind of people they really are.
 
2013-01-26 06:59:54 PM

kptchris: You are required by law to register your AUTOMOBILE. Which of course can kill someone, or be used as law abiding transportation.

You are now required by law to register your GOD DAMN ASSAULT RIFLE THAT HAS NO OTHER INTENDED PURPOSE THAN A WEAPON OS MASS SLAUGHTER.

Deal with it you pussies. Grow up.


I was told the gun rights people were the crazy ones but these threads are full of really angry, emotional, and unreasonable people on the gun control side. It's really funny.
 
2013-01-26 06:59:57 PM

BronyMedic: that I want that evil black Kenyan communist to march into your house and rip your guns away from you.


Got a permit for that strawman?
 
2013-01-26 07:01:11 PM

TheJoe03: gimmegimme: TheJoe03: AssAsInAssassin: Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.

If there's one constant about gun nuts, it's that their over-reaching zeal enables lunatics to go on killing sprees. Then they blame everyone but the over-reaching gun nuts who defiled the 2nd Amendment and turned "a well regulated militia" into a mob of paranoid fanatics with delusions of persecution.

Go fark yourself. You are personally to blame for Newtown. You and all your verminous ilk who insist the Constitution says something it clearly does not say.

What gun control measure would have prevented these massacres, you crazy person? Blaming all gun owners for the death of children is pretty disgusting.

You're absolutely right. We must do nothing at all to confront the gun fetishism and the culture of violence in this country. The pro-gun side has done nothing in the past month to reinforce that these problems exist.

Care to point out to me where I said that?


So what measures would you take to alleviate the problems I pointed out?
 
2013-01-26 07:02:35 PM

djh0101010: Guns are pieces of metal, wood, and plastic. They don't actually do anything by themselves. Weird, but true. Criminals, on the other hand, are people who do bad things, usually in an escalating pattern of evilness.

Instead of taking my 20 round magazines away, or saying I can't buy more of them, which had NO effect in the 10 years the last time your people tried this, could we please, just stay with me here, could we please just have manditory 5 year jail time add-ons for anyone using a gun in a crime?


How does that prevent the next Sandy Hook or VT shooting? The killer was a messed-up kid who took his own life, and probably didn't give a crap what his hypothetical prison sentence would be.

He also had no criminal background: it wasn't an escalating pattern of evilness, it was just suddenly this guy killing a bunch of kids.

You know what would have stopped this schizo kid from shooting up a school? Not living with a gun "enthusiast" mom. This is what made him different from most other schizo kids who don't shoot up schools: this one lived with an arms stash, because it has become a giant fad to stockpile weapons. This guy's mom could have taken up knitting, but she got into "doomsday prepping."

I agree that some limits on extended magazines are not going to reverse the trend. It's better to have some policy that just reduces the stunning increase in firearms sales and discourages firearm hoarding as a trendy new hobby. Something like a 100% sin tax on all firearm and ammunition sales would help. Alternatively, we could use this disaster to effectively shame the conservative media empire that has been scaring half the country into buying gold and AR-15s. We wouldn't have nearly as many people preparing for the economy collapsing if nobody was feeding that dreck to them.
 
2013-01-26 07:02:59 PM

xynix: Just for fun you did see the "proper permit" part right? Lockheed Martin.. General Dynamics.. You don't think the DOD actually manufactured it's own weapons did you? ;)


Yes, and I called you out on being stupid for it - because there are no "proper permits". All nuclear weapons in the United States are manufactured at Department of Energy and DOD sites that are strictly controlled. While yes, contractors operate in those areas from the companies you state, everything they work on is property of the United States Government.

Even non-weapons grade material in "private" hands is technically under the control of the Department of Energy. They can march down there, put your workers at gunpoint, and take every bit of nuclear material on your site if they so choose to do so.

No. What you suggested is that there is an imaginary permit which allows you to own a dirty bomb - a weapon of mass destruction under US Federal Law.
 
2013-01-26 07:03:04 PM

gimmegimme: You're absolutely right. We must do nothing at all to confront the gun fetishism and the culture of violence in this country. The pro-gun side has done nothing in the past month to reinforce that these problems exist.


That's your solution for ending gun violence?
 
2013-01-26 07:03:10 PM
Some lawmakers write legislation that some perceive to infringe on their 'absolute and unconditional' right to bear arms and they go apeshiat, yet some people have no problems with Republicans infringing on the right of others to vote. Go figure.
 
2013-01-26 07:03:32 PM

gimmegimme: TheJoe03: gimmegimme: TheJoe03: AssAsInAssassin: Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.

If there's one constant about gun nuts, it's that their over-reaching zeal enables lunatics to go on killing sprees. Then they blame everyone but the over-reaching gun nuts who defiled the 2nd Amendment and turned "a well regulated militia" into a mob of paranoid fanatics with delusions of persecution.

Go fark yourself. You are personally to blame for Newtown. You and all your verminous ilk who insist the Constitution says something it clearly does not say.

What gun control measure would have prevented these massacres, you crazy person? Blaming all gun owners for the death of children is pretty disgusting.

You're absolutely right. We must do nothing at all to confront the gun fetishism and the culture of violence in this country. The pro-gun side has done nothing in the past month to reinforce that these problems exist.

Care to point out to me where I said that?

So what measures would you take to alleviate the problems I pointed out?


War on poverty, end the war on drugs, improve our mental health systems, and improve background checks. You know, things that will actually work, improve our nation, and not attack our rights.
 
2013-01-26 07:04:10 PM

xynix: BronyMedic:
LavenderWolf: I have more than adequate training in how to operate, clean, and service a variety of firearms.

Then you should appreciate that all firearms are equally as deadly. 101.


Faulty reasoning.

All firearms are deadly. All firearms are always loaded.

This doesn't have anything to do with the effectiveness of a person wielding a firearm.
 
2013-01-26 07:04:13 PM

Gyrfalcon: So pick one: You can be a responsible law-abiding gun owner, which means obeying ALL the laws, even the ones you don't like or agree with; or you can be a crazy criminal. You all were the ones who polarized this mess and so you get to lie in it.


Indeed, blind obeyance of the law is truly what this country is all about.

Now if we could just take the vote back away from women and minorities, we could all move on. It was THE LAW, damn it.
 
2013-01-26 07:05:45 PM

pedrop357: ElBarto79: 2 reasons;

1 - This would only be for semi-autos. You could still by bolt action guns and revolvers through normal channels.

2 - You could still acquire these weapons, it would just take a little longer and cost a little more.


So, still a violation. You can buy all the paperback books you want but hardback and electronic copies take a little longer and cost a little more.


You have a right to drive a car down the road but before you do so you have to register and insure it and get a drivers license. Oh and you have to be 16 and can't be drunk or otherwise impaired. Just because you have a right to something doesn't mean the government can't restrict it in certain ways, and in fact guns already have many restrictions on them. Most rational gun owners seem to understand that restricting certain particularly dangerous and destructive weapons makes sense, we cannot have a total free for all where anyone can go into a store and buy some rocket propelled grenades on the spot with no checks or registration, that is insane. So this entire argument that the government is somehow barred from restricting gun ownership is absurd, they can restrict it and they already do. This is not a violation of your right to own a gun.
 
2013-01-26 07:05:49 PM

xynix: sweet-daddy-2: xynix: Just keep this in mind.. Dipshiats that know nothing about guns who are participating in gun control and legislation conversations  Who have no idea that guns are already tracked and SNs are already tagged with your name and DL#. You may ban your so called "assault rifles" because you have no idea how guns work but this will always be legal and you won't have a problem with it because you don't even know what the fark it is.

[world.guns.ru image 575x309]

Wow.A blooper! Have'nt seen one since......'69....'70? Getting to old to remember dates,just events.

You sound cool and I bet you have interesting stories. Have some TF.


Thank you....I think.A few days ago a farkette(going by the handle) gave me a color.In the same thread I am informed she also gave me a child.
No way in hell am I having a kid with you.But truly,thanks for the TF.(no stories though)
 
2013-01-26 07:06:36 PM

LavenderWolf: jehovahs witness protection: muck4doo: I like how authoritarians are now all for having to register practicing a right. I bet these same asstards were against having to show ID while voting.

DING DING DING....WE HAVE A WINNER!

Because voting and owning guns are the same thing! A vote is just as lethal as a bullet! And one day we'll be able to throw off the shackles of our vehicle registration laws.


One is a right, the other actually isn't. Hard to believe, I know.
 
2013-01-26 07:07:55 PM

pedrop357: BronyMedic: that I want that evil black Kenyan communist to march into your house and rip your guns away from you.

Got a permit for that strawman?


It's not a strawman. You've made a lot of personal attacks on me, and made a lot of statements on my political opinion that I have never voiced to you.

Not once have you stopped your attacks, and actually asked me what my opinions are. Period.

You don't have psychic powers, man. You fail miserably at illustrating my feelings on the matter.
 
2013-01-26 07:07:58 PM

Carth: Fine with me. This way any shootings, even in self defense, will likely be done with illegally owned fire arms and open the shooter up to even more legal problems.
Justified shooting? Maybe but it was done with an illegal firearm so enjoy your jail time.


After the first the rest are free.
 
2013-01-26 07:08:05 PM

xynix: Almost universally the guns used in those crimes were obtained illegally.


Well that's just farking flat out wrong.
 
2013-01-26 07:08:52 PM
My Fellow Liberals,

Gun Control is where the American Liberal tends to Derp out.

Put the Derp down.

You gripe about Conservative derp. Start fixing the problem in your own backyard. The general American public will never accept a complete handgun ban, blanket registration of all firearms, or a repeal of the Second Amendment. Cope with it. You're better off pushing for expanded socialized healthcare or environmental policies: leftist things that may be controversial, but have more traction with the general public.

Also, stop using dead schookids as a plea to emotion. That's a logical fallacy, and I thought those of us in the Progressive community liked to focus on logic instead of emotion? We gripe when Republicans go "Think of the Children!", that means you can't use it either.

Just like the Right may derp about wanting to ban all abortion, and abolish all welfare, the Left derps about wanting to take everybodies gun away.

Yeah, Registration is the first step to confiscation. They can't take your guns if they don't know you have them. Too many times in US history has a local jurisdiction required gun registration, only to turn around a few years later and demand all those registered guns be handed in. "Fool me once. . ."

Yeah, I'm a Liberal and I'm pro-gun. Guess I'm no stereotype, but I'm a leftist who supports all civil rights, even the unpopular ones (although I'll admit, Fred Phelps tries my patience on First Amendment rights).

I am highly unconvinced that registration prevents any crimes. How could gun registration prevent a crime, really? Explain to me how gun registration could honestly prevent crimes instead of just enabling later gun confiscation?
 
2013-01-26 07:08:58 PM

Xcott: djh0101010: Guns are pieces of metal, wood, and plastic. They don't actually do anything by themselves. Weird, but true. Criminals, on the other hand, are people who do bad things, usually in an escalating pattern of evilness.

Instead of taking my 20 round magazines away, or saying I can't buy more of them, which had NO effect in the 10 years the last time your people tried this, could we please, just stay with me here, could we please just have manditory 5 year jail time add-ons for anyone using a gun in a crime?

How does that prevent the next Sandy Hook or VT shooting? The killer was a messed-up kid who took his own life, and probably didn't give a crap what his hypothetical prison sentence would be.

He also had no criminal background: it wasn't an escalating pattern of evilness, it was just suddenly this guy killing a bunch of kids.

You know what would have stopped this schizo kid from shooting up a school? Not living with a gun "enthusiast" mom. This is what made him different from most other schizo kids who don't shoot up schools: this one lived with an arms stash, because it has become a giant fad to stockpile weapons. This guy's mom could have taken up knitting, but she got into "doomsday prepping."

I agree that some limits on extended magazines are not going to reverse the trend. It's better to have some policy that just reduces the stunning increase in firearms sales and discourages firearm hoarding as a trendy new hobby. Something like a 100% sin tax on all firearm and ammunition sales would help. Alternatively, we could use this disaster to effectively shame the conservative media empire that has been scaring half the country into buying gold and AR-15s. We wouldn't have nearly as many people preparing for the economy collapsing if nobody was feeding that dreck to them.


You look like you have boogeymen of your own.
 
2013-01-26 07:09:20 PM

muck4doo: LavenderWolf: jehovahs witness protection: muck4doo: I like how authoritarians are now all for having to register practicing a right. I bet these same asstards were against having to show ID while voting.

DING DING DING....WE HAVE A WINNER!

Because voting and owning guns are the same thing! A vote is just as lethal as a bullet! And one day we'll be able to throw off the shackles of our vehicle registration laws.

One is a right, the other actually isn't. Hard to believe, I know.


In what way are voting and unrestricted movement not rights?
 
2013-01-26 07:10:18 PM

muck4doo: LavenderWolf: jehovahs witness protection: muck4doo: I like how authoritarians are now all for having to register practicing a right. I bet these same asstards were against having to show ID while voting.

DING DING DING....WE HAVE A WINNER!

Because voting and owning guns are the same thing! A vote is just as lethal as a bullet! And one day we'll be able to throw off the shackles of our vehicle registration laws.

One is a right, the other actually isn't. Hard to believe, I know.


Please, do elaborate.
 
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