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(NYPost)   State of NY to legal firearms owners, "Register your weapons, it's the law." Legal firearms owners to the State of NY, "Guns? I don't own any guns, and you can't prove it so go fark yourselves"   (nypost.com) divider line 1299
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2013-01-26 05:04:26 PM  

Haliburton Cummings: xynix: When people who have no idea what they're talking about or people that are reacting to a particular event start dicking around with our bill of rights we're in trouble.

awesome..now go and bring free speech and right to trial back will ya? i know you are busy with "guns" right now but being a staunch supporter of the "bill of rights", you might have noticed those things being eroded first.

start there, work down to guns.


Why not just defend all our rights at once?
 
2013-01-26 05:04:51 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: That's why I refuse to register my car. It only makes it easier for the government to take it. For some reason. I guess.


Have the people pushing for car registration ever pushed for outright bans and confiscations on cars?

have governments ever used registration lists to demand that legally owned be turned over because they're no longer legal due to a change in the law and/or an attorney general issued an opinion invalidating a prior one?

No? Then Shut The fark Up.
 
2013-01-26 05:04:52 PM  

Harry Knutz: Dear Gun Tribe:

No one is coming to take your guns. Chill the fark out. All your "This is the first step toward confiscationmageddon!1!!11!" paranoia only makes the rest of us think we should be taking your guns.

Thanks!


What's your thoughts on Step 2 after gun owners register? What happens then?
 
2013-01-26 05:04:54 PM  

BgJonson79: Haliburton Cummings: BgJonson79: GAT_00: violentsalvation: vpb: Amos Quito:
Are you making fun of me for being Jewish?


i wait for your brilliant reply as per my previous post.
 
2013-01-26 05:05:58 PM  

Chariset: Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.

Sure.  What's a school full of dead children compared to your personal momentary inconvenience?


Well, CT already had an assault weapons ban, and the school was a Gun Free Zone.
The evil black rifle used was grandfathered under the state law, much like the current propsed AWB.
What law would have prevented it from happening?

If you believe in complete public disarmament and weapon confiscation, just say so. Short of that, what's your solution?
 
2013-01-26 05:06:09 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Harry Knutz: Dear Gun Tribe:

No one is coming to take your guns. Chill the fark out. All your "This is the first step toward confiscationmageddon!1!!11!" paranoia only makes the rest of us think we should be taking your guns.

Thanks!

What's your thoughts on Step 2 after gun owners register? What happens then?


Profit?
 
2013-01-26 05:06:50 PM  
kmmontandon [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 01:27:16 PM

Fark It:
Registration would have prevented school shootings? It seems to me that the only purpose of registration is confiscation,

Saying it doesn't make it true.


Except in England, Canada, Australia, ect...... Just saying....
 
2013-01-26 05:07:06 PM  

lilplatinum: xynix:
This is what is frustrating to gun owners..

Having to compensate for a small dick?


DRINK!

Anti-gun types really need some psychological help. I don't see this much talk about dicks in foobies threads.
 
2013-01-26 05:07:08 PM  

Begoggle: Has crime - specifically gun violence crime - been reduced in those cities?


No.
 
2013-01-26 05:07:45 PM  

nekom: The government doesn't know about my gun.  I didn't pluralize that, I only have one shotgun that was given to me years ago.  I'm not gun nut, in fact I am fully in favor of an aggressive ban on assault weapons, but the government doesn't need to know about ANYTHING that is within my private property.


Unless it's an assault weapon, right?
 
2013-01-26 05:08:05 PM  

A Shambling Mound: BSABSVR: xynix: True story.. I'm a gun owner and I will never register my gun with any agency.. state or federal. I'm not going to be forced to do something criminals don't have to do. The government can go fark themselves.

So you drive without insurance?

If you can't see what's wrong with that analogy you should not be participating in this discussion.


Explain it then. And not with the 2nd amendment bit. That's not what Im arguing. He states that he won't do something that the state forces him to so that criminals won't. The state forces people to do all kinds of things that criminals don't. The state forces you to insure your vehicle, register nearly any means of conveyance, get required permits to own a business, or protest in a park, etc. the state requires you to verify work eligibility for employees, to not build in a flood plain and to pay the correct amount of taxes that you owe.

There are criminals who refuse to do each of those things.
 
2013-01-26 05:08:49 PM  

xynix: Just keep this in mind.. Dipshiats that know nothing about guns who are participating in gun control and legislation conversations  Who have no idea that guns are already tracked and SNs are already tagged with your name and DL#. You may ban your so called "assault rifles" because you have no idea how guns work but this will always be legal and you won't have a problem with it because you don't even know what the fark it is.

[world.guns.ru image 575x309]


CSB: I was in Ecuador and the soldiers at the marketplace I was in were carrying those. It made me think that they have no regard for collateral damage. Not the most discriminating of weapons.
 
2013-01-26 05:08:51 PM  
I used to be a lot more in favor of ensuring that gun ownership stayed legal, but hearing from all these gun nuts is driving me further and further into the outright confiscation of everything camp. You farking gun nuts try to shoot down every single reasonable change in gun laws on the stupidest of grounds. The argument that "criminals won't obey gun laws so we shouldn't have laws" is patently false for everyone capable of farking reading; automatic weapon use in this country is virtually nil because of the de facto ban, and other countries that have implemented forms of gun control have seen serious declines in the rate of gun violence since. So every single time one of you mongoloids tries to pull that shiat, all it does is make me realize how utterly full of shiat you are on other things. Oooh, and then the protests about registration, while out of the other sides of their mouths they pillory the Democrats - and only the Democrats, mind you - when guns don't get properly tracked, as in Fast and Furious. Making gun owners responsible for securing their weapons against theft, which would seriously cut down on straw purchases? Socialism! Closing the gun show loophole? That's somehow an assault on every single freedom.

Fark them all. I loathe Cuomo for being a snake in the grass, but all of you worthless farks who won't bother to actually be part of the conversation got exactly what you farking deserved. I know that there's no real reason to ban muzzle brakes or flash suppressors, but you know what? You worthless farks have been so intransigent, so completely unhelpful in the gun control debate that I'm dancing for joy over it. The tree of liberty has been watered with the blood of enough schoolchildren (slaughtered with a weapon exempted from gun control because the gun control lobby bribed the Connecticut legislature) that the American people are more anti-gun than they've been in a generation, and now you motherfarkers have brought this down on yourself. Enjoy the confiscations of your penis extenders for failure to register. Enjoy the bureaucratic bullshiat that will be heaped on purchases of firearms. Enjoy having to track down seven-round magazines and hand in all your old ones. Maybe that will teach you a lesson about what happens when the only input you offer is "No" and the rest of us have to muddle along on our own.
 
2013-01-26 05:09:06 PM  

pedrop357: cameroncrazy1984: That's why I refuse to register my car. It only makes it easier for the government to take it. For some reason. I guess.

Have the people pushing for car registration ever pushed for outright bans and confiscations on cars?

have governments ever used registration lists to demand that legally owned be turned over because they're no longer legal due to a change in the law and/or an attorney general issued an opinion invalidating a prior one?

No? Then Shut The fark Up.


What a ridiculous argument. Seriously. Nobody's going to take all of your guns.
 
2013-01-26 05:09:34 PM  
On the whole car registration doesn't lead to confiscation argument: I beg to differ, in California, Boxer and her pals have tried several times to rid the roads of cars over a certain age in the name of 'environmental protection'. It was really a ruse to prevent people from owning cheaper cars and also to checkmate the entire used car and spare parts industries. Nice way to ensure everyone either used public transportation (which makes you dependent on the govt) or were forever saddled with higher registration fees and a new car loan to pay off (which makes you dependent on the banks).
And how were they going to do it? By forcing you to sell your car to them for 500 bucks when you went to register it if it was too old, no matter its actual value.
Hey, you wanna keep driving? Go buy a new car! You got 5 bills in your pocket. If not, use that money for a bus ticket, loser!
 
2013-01-26 05:09:36 PM  

Haliburton Cummings: BgJonson79: Haliburton Cummings: BgJonson79: GAT_00: violentsalvation: vpb: Amos Quito:

What legitimate reason is there to not register?

Being Jewish and remembering what happened last time ;-)

play the emotional currency card fail is fail

that's as good as the "Hitler Banned Guns Too" fallacy.

Are you making fun of me for being Jewish?

you already did that yourself.

if your knowledge of the holocaust suggests that a lack of guns or gun registry played any significant part of the Jews being exterminated, you are an idiot.

but live in that fantasy.

read some Elie Wiesel... start there.
read any scholarly material on the holocaust and Germany and you will soon understand that guns and the gun laws of Germany has ZERO to do with the liquidation of the ghettos, the round ups etc...



I think it was a Jews had to register" thing not a gun point he was making.
 
2013-01-26 05:09:39 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Harry Knutz: Dear Gun Tribe:

No one is coming to take your guns. Chill the fark out. All your "This is the first step toward confiscationmageddon!1!!11!" paranoia only makes the rest of us think we should be taking your guns.

Thanks!

What's your thoughts on Step 2 after gun owners register? What happens then?


Nothing happens then. If you're not doing anything illegal, not a good goddamn thing will happen.
 
2013-01-26 05:09:52 PM  
Maybe we should make everyone register to exercise their 1st amendment rights. Didn't Hitler do something similar by making all the Jews wear a gold star? Oh wait that made it easier to come find them when it was time to put them in the oven. Slippery slope when it comes to registration to exercise your rights. That coupled with when has the government ever done anything right you should be scared and telling them to f off.
 
2013-01-26 05:10:17 PM  

the ha ha guy: djh0101010: Do you know that the NRA has been pushing for instant background checks for decades?


That didn't stop them and their supporters from complaining about Obama's suggestion to do exactly that.


Obama is 20 years behind the NRA in this regard. Key is _INSTANT_ background checks. If my debit card can be checked for a balance in 5 seconds before I buy gas, then, hell yes, my ID can be checked in the same time to make sure I'm not a criminal. There is no technical difference in these two checks.

Can you post a link to the point you seem to be pretending is valid? I'd love to see what it is you think the NRA is objecting to, so I can show you how you're wrong. Hint: If your response includes the term "Gun show loophole", please be prepared to explain how private sales at a gun show are somehow different than private sales anywhere else, and, how you propose that criminals will suddenly obey your new law, while they violate all the other laws.
 
2013-01-26 05:10:24 PM  

BSABSVR: A Shambling Mound: BSABSVR: xynix: True story.. I'm a gun owner and I will never register my gun with any agency.. state or federal. I'm not going to be forced to do something criminals don't have to do. The government can go fark themselves.

So you drive without insurance?

If you can't see what's wrong with that analogy you should not be participating in this discussion.

Explain it then. And not with the 2nd amendment bit. That's not what Im arguing. He states that he won't do something that the state forces him to so that criminals won't. The state forces people to do all kinds of things that criminals don't. The state forces you to insure your vehicle, register nearly any means of conveyance, get required permits to own a business, or protest in a park, etc. the state requires you to verify work eligibility for employees, to not build in a flood plain and to pay the correct amount of taxes that you owe.

There are criminals who refuse to do each of those things.


Getting insurance is a smart move even without the law requiring it. I think your car registration example is better.
 
2013-01-26 05:11:05 PM  

captainktainer: I used to be a lot more in favor of ensuring that gun ownership stayed legal, but hearing from all these gun nuts is driving me further and further into the outright confiscation of everything camp. You farking gun nuts try to shoot down every single reasonable change in gun laws on the stupidest of grounds. The argument that "criminals won't obey gun laws so we shouldn't have laws" is patently false for everyone capable of farking reading; automatic weapon use in this country is virtually nil because of the de facto ban, and other countries that have implemented forms of gun control have seen serious declines in the rate of gun violence since. So every single time one of you mongoloids tries to pull that shiat, all it does is make me realize how utterly full of shiat you are on other things. Oooh, and then the protests about registration, while out of the other sides of their mouths they pillory the Democrats - and only the Democrats, mind you - when guns don't get properly tracked, as in Fast and Furious. Making gun owners responsible for securing their weapons against theft, which would seriously cut down on straw purchases? Socialism! Closing the gun show loophole? That's somehow an assault on every single freedom.

Fark them all. I loathe Cuomo for being a snake in the grass, but all of you worthless farks who won't bother to actually be part of the conversation got exactly what you farking deserved. I know that there's no real reason to ban muzzle brakes or flash suppressors, but you know what? You worthless farks have been so intransigent, so completely unhelpful in the gun control debate that I'm dancing for joy over it. The tree of liberty has been watered with the blood of enough schoolchildren (slaughtered with a weapon exempted from gun control because the gun control lobby bribed the Connecticut legislature) that the American people are more anti-gun than they've been in a generation, and now you motherfarkers have brought this down on yourself. Enjoy the confiscations of your penis extenders for failure to register. Enjoy the bureaucratic bullshiat that will be heaped on purchases of firearms. Enjoy having to track down seven-round magazines and hand in all your old ones. Maybe that will teach you a lesson about what happens when the only input you offer is "No" and the rest of us have to muddle along on our own.


Your farked in the head.
 
2013-01-26 05:11:20 PM  

kxs401: fredklein: kxs401: Seriously, the paranoid braying about the government coming to take your guns only makes it obvious that you're so goddamn unstable that you should never be permitted to even hold a loaded gun.

I love the logic.

"We're not gonna take your guns. The fact you think we are makes you crazy... So we're gonna take your guns!"

I'm not sure you understand how logic works, actually. Anyway, wanting to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people is not the same as a total gun ban. I understand that it would be the same thing to you -- because you're a paranoid nutbar -- but it's not actually the same thing.


Defining 'crazy people' as 'anyone who owns guns' IS the same as a gun ban.
 
2013-01-26 05:11:38 PM  

xynix: Just keep this in mind.. Dipshiats that know nothing about guns who are participating in gun control and legislation conversations  Who have no idea that guns are already tracked and SNs are already tagged with your name and DL#. You may ban your so called "assault rifles" because you have no idea how guns work but this will always be legal and you won't have a problem with it because you don't even know what the fark it is.

[world.guns.ru image 575x309]


Actually, that weapon is NOT legal without a FFA Class III Tax Stamp, and each round of 40mm has to be registered as a Destructive Device with the ATF, and have an according 200 dollar tax stamp.

Grenade Launchers are SPECIFICALLY covered in the National Firearms Act as destructive devices.
 
2013-01-26 05:11:42 PM  

xynix: you don't even know what the fark it is.


M-79 Thump Gun.
 
2013-01-26 05:12:04 PM  
Ill say it again.
Watching anti-gun people discuss guns is like watching young earth creationists discuss carbon dating.

Kudos to the handful of Americans still residing in NY.
 
2013-01-26 05:12:24 PM  

Begoggle: wee: vpb: We already know gun control works

If this statement were true, Chicago and DC and NYC would be crime-free.

You make the common mistake of defining "works" as "eliminates all crime", which is nothing more than a straw man.
"Reducing crime" is a better definition.
Has crime - specifically gun violence crime - been reduced in those cities?
Be honest now.


I live in Atlanta where everyone has a gun and the streets are safe at night.
 
2013-01-26 05:12:28 PM  

fredklein: kxs401: fredklein: kxs401: Seriously, the paranoid braying about the government coming to take your guns only makes it obvious that you're so goddamn unstable that you should never be permitted to even hold a loaded gun.

I love the logic.

"We're not gonna take your guns. The fact you think we are makes you crazy... So we're gonna take your guns!"

I'm not sure you understand how logic works, actually. Anyway, wanting to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people is not the same as a total gun ban. I understand that it would be the same thing to you -- because you're a paranoid nutbar -- but it's not actually the same thing.

Defining 'crazy people' as 'anyone who owns guns' IS the same as a gun ban.


I think the only person here who's making that connection is you, fredward.
 
gja
2013-01-26 05:12:30 PM  

GAT_00: That's because I choose not to mix my Internet personality with my actual personality. They're largely the same, but I'm much more willing to degenerate into open abuse of people on here than I am IRL. I would never do such a thing in person and I have no wish to associate the two. It's also the reason I don't go to any Fark meetups


Good to know. You are predisposed to act in a manner that is disingenuous because you are behind a keyboard?
Speaks volumes, really. I will be at any and all FARK NY meetings. I have nothing to hide. And I am here, as I am in the flesh.
That may just shut a few mouths, I posit.
 
2013-01-26 05:12:31 PM  
Ban them, confiscate them, imprison anyone who doesn't comply.

Why are we messing around with these lunatics? Mentally unstable people should not be allowed to own guns. Anyone who wants to own a gun and is not a hunter or in law enforcement is mentally unstable, and therefore shouldnt be allowed to own guns. QED.
 
2013-01-26 05:12:42 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: What a ridiculous argument. Seriously. Nobody's going to take all of your guns.


Yet, proposals have been pushed to do just that, and states HAVE used registration to enforce retroactive bans. See California and the SKS and Walther P-22, as well as NYC and so-called "assault weapons"
 
2013-01-26 05:12:58 PM  

xynix: moron reaching high to become an idiot.


Ok, that's awesome, I'm slipping him on a fark list, and using that for the tag.

people who bluntly deny the wisdom of attempting to avoid a big brother situation, even if it's a remote possibility today, are not worthy of acknowledgement.
 
2013-01-26 05:13:07 PM  
The U.S. Department of Education estimates the chances of dying in a school shooting at around 1 in 1,000,000. Someone is more likely to be blown up by fireworks, stung to death by bees or eaten by dogs. In that light, turning schools into fortresses might seem like overkill
 
2013-01-26 05:13:34 PM  

fredklein: kxs401: fredklein: kxs401: Seriously, the paranoid braying about the government coming to take your guns only makes it obvious that you're so goddamn unstable that you should never be permitted to even hold a loaded gun.

I love the logic.

"We're not gonna take your guns. The fact you think we are makes you crazy... So we're gonna take your guns!"

I'm not sure you understand how logic works, actually. Anyway, wanting to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people is not the same as a total gun ban. I understand that it would be the same thing to you -- because you're a paranoid nutbar -- but it's not actually the same thing.

Defining 'crazy people' as 'anyone who owns guns' IS the same as a gun ban.


No, I'm defining "crazy people" in this context as people like you, foaming at the mouth and ranting about something that's never going to happen. You're as nutty as the people stocking up food for the inevitable and imminent collapse of the world economy.

Keep shining, you crazy diamonds. The more people see you refusing to comply with reasonable legal requirements, the less resistance there will be among the general public to more reasonable legal requirements. Thank you for your assistance.
 
2013-01-26 05:13:38 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Ban them, confiscate them, imprison anyone who doesn't comply.

Why are we messing around with these lunatics? Mentally unstable people should not be allowed to own guns. Anyone who wants to own a gun and is not a hunter or in law enforcement is mentally unstable, and therefore shouldnt be allowed to own guns. QED.


Poe's law?
 
2013-01-26 05:14:00 PM  

gja: Stop that. Those who are opposed to the gun controls, and have used the "car vs gun" analogy, drew fire from those of you who desire the gun controls legislation.
If the pro-gunners can't use the car/gun analogy then neither can the anti-gun folks.

Fair is fair. Nobody gets to use it. Now come up with a coherent and rational retort, or admit you haven't one


Seriously?  I don't like your argument so you aren't allowed to use it?
 
2013-01-26 05:14:47 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Ban them, confiscate them, imprison anyone who doesn't comply.

Why are we messing around with these lunatics? Mentally unstable people should not be allowed to own guns. Anyone who wants to own a gun and is not a hunter or in law enforcement is mentally unstable, and therefore shouldnt be allowed to own guns. QED.


You authoritarians are getting cocky.
 
2013-01-26 05:15:05 PM  

wee: vpb: We already know gun control works

If this statement were true, Chicago and DC and NYC would be crime-free.


New York City very nearly is. Our violent crime per capita rate is lower than almost anywhere else, and our overall crime rate is incredibly low. New York City saw the fewest homicides in 50 years despite population growth. This isn't the 1980s.
 
2013-01-26 05:15:23 PM  
So how many people believed that when the DHS was created it wouldn't interfere with law abiding citizen's lives? How many people have flown on a plane lately without having to step in a machine that shows you naked, streams radiation through you, or been felt up by an overzealous TSA screener, etc.? When you give the government a power, they will use every last drop.
 
2013-01-26 05:16:07 PM  

GAT_00: gja: Stop that. Those who are opposed to the gun controls, and have used the "car vs gun" analogy, drew fire from those of you who desire the gun controls legislation.
If the pro-gunners can't use the car/gun analogy then neither can the anti-gun folks.

Fair is fair. Nobody gets to use it. Now come up with a coherent and rational retort, or admit you haven't one

Seriously?  I don't like your argument so you aren't allowed to use it?


No, just hypocritical bullshiat for antigun types to jump all over the "we register cars" bit when they usually (always?) get twisted out of shape when people point how cars kill more than guns despite being regulated, licensed, etc.
 
gja
2013-01-26 05:16:23 PM  

GAT_00: gja: Stop that. Those who are opposed to the gun controls, and have used the "car vs gun" analogy, drew fire from those of you who desire the gun controls legislation.
If the pro-gunners can't use the car/gun analogy then neither can the anti-gun folks.

Fair is fair. Nobody gets to use it. Now come up with a coherent and rational retort, or admit you haven't one

Seriously?  I don't like your argument so you aren't allowed to use it?


That is not at ALL what I wrote. Do not twist words. I said "nobody gets to use that argument anymore since when the pro-gunners tried it the anti-gunners decried it".

Clear enough? When the pro-gunners use that analogy the anti-gunners go NUTS.
So, let's switch to arguments that bear merit all around.
 
2013-01-26 05:16:35 PM  

ElBarto79: xynix: Just keep this in mind.. Dipshiats that know nothing about guns who are participating in gun control and legislation conversations  Who have no idea that guns are already tracked and SNs are already tagged with your name and DL#. You may ban your so called "assault rifles" because you have no idea how guns work but this will always be legal and you won't have a problem with it because you don't even know what the fark it is.

[world.guns.ru image 575x309]

Well according to the image data it's an M79 grenade launcher. Which is legal in the same way machine guns are legal, meaning very expensive and lots of paperwork plus for this all your rounds have to be registered as destructive devices. I'm ok with this and would be in favor of moving all semi-automatic weapons into a similar category.


Actually there is. Example.. Purchased a Glock this summer and got it instantly. The M&P assault rifle I purchased took 2 weeks to get as they did a federal background check on me. The cost of such a thing is built into the price of the gun I purchased. I'm not in favor of moving semi-autos into that category as it's a knee-jerk reaction and redundant to a program that is already in place to ensure people who are purchasing them are allowed to purchase them. The bolt-action 30-06 I have can take down a target a mile away in the right hands.. in average hands 1000-2000 feet.

Again.. people who know nothing about guns should not be involved in gun laws or even having the discussion around them. Respectfully said of course..
 
2013-01-26 05:17:06 PM  

TheJoe03: Debeo Summa Credo: Ban them, confiscate them, imprison anyone who doesn't comply.

Why are we messing around with these lunatics? Mentally unstable people should not be allowed to own guns. Anyone who wants to own a gun and is not a hunter or in law enforcement is mentally unstable, and therefore shouldnt be allowed to own guns. QED.

You authoritarians are getting cocky.


I'm sure they think this position is perfectly "sensible", "reasonable", and "rational"
 
2013-01-26 05:17:16 PM  
Yes, register those firearms you legally purchased prior to any law that mandated it. Don't worry about douchebag progressive media outlets taking that registration information and publicizing it.
 
2013-01-26 05:17:52 PM  

Amos Quito: vpb: I always wondered how things look through the eyes of someone who thinks that assault weapons are in the constitution and who is a criminal.

Honest law abiding people will register their firearms, criminals will not. An unregistered gun in an incriminating object. It is very difficult ro prove that someone was going to commit a crime in the future, but possession of an unregistered firearm is easy to prove.


1. The law has not taken effect YET
2. He doesn't live in New York, so the law will not apply to him


Are there ANY laws that the government might possibly enact that you might have a problem with? That you might defy?

Have you ANY "rights" that you are not willing to lie down and surrender in the name of being a "law abiding citizen"?

For instance, are you ready to REGISTER in order to exercise your First Amendment right to express your opinion here on Fark or elsewhere?

It's not the law - YET - but there are those who are pushing for it - and HARD. Are you willing register your speech?


The issue is that gun owners have been making a big deal about how responsible and law-abiding they are and how it's just "those criminals" and crazy people who are doing all the killing.  Yet as soon as anyone asks them to demonstrate how responsible and law-abiding they actually are, they're all Nope, not me! I don't have to obey your laws! You're just doing it so you can take my gunz at some unspecified future date! Ha-ha! I'm onto you!

Well---okay. So then you're just like those criminals and crazy people you've been decrying for the last two months. You can't be BOTH a responsible gun owner AND one who refuses to obey the law. And insofar as your argument about the comparison between the 1st and 2d amendments: Free speech is a fundamental right. Gun ownership is not. And even if gun ownership is ever determined to be a fundamental right, ownership of ANY PARTICULAR gun never will be, just like there are certain types of speech which are not protected.

So pick one: You can be a responsible law-abiding gun owner, which means obeying ALL the laws, even the ones you don't like or agree with; or you can be a crazy criminal. You all were the ones who polarized this mess and so you get to lie in it.
 
2013-01-26 05:18:24 PM  

Harry Knutz: Kraftwerk Orange: Harry Knutz: Dear Gun Tribe:

No one is coming to take your guns. Chill the fark out. All your "This is the first step toward confiscationmageddon!1!!11!" paranoia only makes the rest of us think we should be taking your guns.

Thanks!

What's your thoughts on Step 2 after gun owners register? What happens then?

Nothing happens then. If you're not doing anything illegal, not a good goddamn thing will happen.


If nothing is going to be done with the gun registration lists, then why bother having anyone register their guns? Why collect that data, just to do absolutely nothing with it?

And before you say 'we'll, we can use it to catch criminals', let me remind you that criminals don't obey the law, and will just use illegal, unregistered guns.
 
2013-01-26 05:18:27 PM  

xynix: Again.. people who know nothing about guns should not be involved in gun laws or even having the discussion around them. Respectfully said of course..


People who don't have vaginas should not be involved in abortion laws or even having the discussion around them. Oh wait.
 
2013-01-26 05:18:36 PM  
So all it takes to get a hero tag on fark these days is be a small-dicked, paranoid, delusional sociopath? Good to know.
 
2013-01-26 05:19:16 PM  

PedanticSimpleton: Yes, register those firearms you legally purchased prior to any law that mandated it. Don't worry about douchebag progressive media outlets taking that registration information and publicizing it.


Yep. Also, it's not like another administration can't come along and remove the privacy provisions, or fail to adequately defend a challenge in court.
 
2013-01-26 05:19:49 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Ban them, confiscate them, imprison anyone who doesn't comply.

Why are we messing around with these lunatics? Mentally unstable people should not be allowed to own guns. Anyone who wants to own a gun and is not a hunter or in law enforcement is mentally unstable, and therefore shouldnt be allowed to own guns. QED.


So, I have dozens of guns, and collect them as engineering curios and historical artifacts, and use them to precisely punch holes in paper. In your mind, this isn't a valid reason to own a machine that will never harm anyone? Apparently, in your mind, I'm a lunatic? That's weird, because I've shot tens of thousands of rounds so far in my lifetime, and I haven't killed anyone. One of us doesn't understand how this whole guns thing works. I'm PRETTY sure, it's you.
 
2013-01-26 05:20:09 PM  

gja:

Stop that. Those who are opposed to the gun controls, and have used the "car vs gun" analogy, drew fire from those of you who desire the gun controls legislation.
If the pro-gunners can't use the car/gun analogy then neither can the anti-gun folks.

Fair is fair. Nobody gets to use it. Now come up with a coherent and rational retort, or admit you haven't one.


Dog license. Pitt bull owners register their dogs. Exotic fish licences. Same thing. No one is running around taking either. And guess what, there are no vast armies of dog nuts and fish nuts refusing to get their yearly licenses.

But in the end what this comes down to is that there's a law requiring certain types of guns to be registered in NY. Registering the weapon in no way stops the owner from keeping or bearing the weapon, so the constitutional argument is out.

I have no problem with law abiding, mentally stable individuals without violent criminal records, owning guns. But lookie here. This thread is full of those supposedly law abiding gun owners who state they will break weapons laws. If all it takes is telling gun owners to follow this law you don't agree with that in no way harms you, to get these gun owners to break the law, then they aren't very law abiding.

Now, under this law, as soon as they use one of their unregistered weapons for self defense they'll be found out. Out hunting? Take a gun to a gunsmith? Caught. Disgruntled gun club employees will report members for owning unregistered guns. Disgruntled gun and ammo selling store employees will report customers who buy accessories for weapons that should be registered.

So, unregistered gun owners, when the police come knocking at your door in these circumstances with their search warrant, what exactly is it, besides surrendering and turning over the unregistered weapons, are you planning on doing? Breaking even more laws?
 
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