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(NYPost)   State of NY to legal firearms owners, "Register your weapons, it's the law." Legal firearms owners to the State of NY, "Guns? I don't own any guns, and you can't prove it so go fark yourselves"   (nypost.com) divider line 1301
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2013-01-26 04:48:23 PM
I wonder how many of these illegal gun owners are demanding we arrest the illegals?
 
2013-01-26 04:48:31 PM

Begoggle: You think *blank* will obey *blank* laws?
Murderers do not obey laws.
Speeders do not obey laws.
Thieves do not obey laws.
Embezzlers do not obey laws.
GUN NUTS WON'T OBEY LAWS EITHER
Conclusion: there should be no laws at all.

 
2013-01-26 04:49:20 PM

GAT_00: violentsalvation: vpb: Amos Quito: There. See how silly you look?

No.  Do I look as silly as someone who thinks playing with their toys and not having to register them like a car or a motorcycle is more important than preventing mass shootings?

Please, inform us how registration will prevent mass shootings.

What legitimate reason is there to not register?


Being Jewish and remembering what happened last time ;-)
 
2013-01-26 04:49:49 PM
Occupy My Gunsafe
 
2013-01-26 04:50:07 PM
Link
NY originally proposed confiscation. This is why I will never register my guns.
 
2013-01-26 04:50:29 PM

vpb: xynix: True story.. I'm a gun owner and I will never register my gun with any agency.. state or federal. I'm not going to be forced to do something criminals don't have to do. The government can go fark themselves.

Another criminal with access to guns.

You should really move somewhere where they don't have government.  Like the tribal areas of Pakistan or Somalia.  You can be all Mad Max there.


You're an idiot.
 
2013-01-26 04:50:32 PM

violentsalvation: Why would they? It isn't about curbing gun violence. Registration serves no purpose other than to make a list and treasure map for the next step of what disingenuous farksticks call "reasonable gun control". The big grab.


You're damned skippy. But not necessarily the way that you imply.

If you lose your gun license (felon, crazy, or whatever other reason), that prevents you from buying more guns, and gets you in deep shiat if you get caught with guns you already have. If all guns are registered, then there is data that enables the government to effectively enforce the law.

And to the "government wants us to register so they can round up all the guns more easily" argument: DIAF. That would require the government to enact laws that more than half of politicians oppose, as well as the courts, not to mention the people.
 
2013-01-26 04:50:34 PM
I hope these lunatics are all over the TV when Feinstein's bill comes up.
 
2013-01-26 04:51:07 PM

BgJonson79: GAT_00: violentsalvation: vpb: Amos Quito: There. See how silly you look?

No.  Do I look as silly as someone who thinks playing with their toys and not having to register them like a car or a motorcycle is more important than preventing mass shootings?

Please, inform us how registration will prevent mass shootings.

What legitimate reason is there to not register?

Being Jewish and remembering what happened last time ;-)


play the emotional currency card fail is fail

that's as good as the "Hitler Banned Guns Too" fallacy.
 
2013-01-26 04:51:55 PM

vpb: So much for "law abiding gun owners".

We need to legalize drugs to free up some prison space.


Legalizing drugs would do more to reduce violent crime than any gun control measure you could come up with. The war on drugs is a complete failure. We could direct those billions of dollars into treatment and education programs, and we'd be eliminating the huge profits that motivate drug trafficking and the attendant violence.

/see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States#Organiz e d_crime
 
2013-01-26 04:52:06 PM

Haliburton Cummings: BgJonson79: GAT_00: violentsalvation: vpb: Amos Quito: There. See how silly you look?

No.  Do I look as silly as someone who thinks playing with their toys and not having to register them like a car or a motorcycle is more important than preventing mass shootings?

Please, inform us how registration will prevent mass shootings.

What legitimate reason is there to not register?

Being Jewish and remembering what happened last time ;-)

play the emotional currency card fail is fail

that's as good as the "Hitler Banned Guns Too" fallacy.


HITLER BANNED THE GUNS
MAO BANNED THE GUNS
POL POT BANNED THE GUNS
HARPER BANNED THE GUNS
 
2013-01-26 04:52:17 PM

enry: xynix: Just keep this in mind.. Dipshiats that know nothing about guns who are participating in gun control and legislation conversations  Who have no idea that guns are already tracked and SNs are already tagged with your name and DL#. You may ban your so called "assault rifles" because you have no idea how guns work but this will always be legal and you won't have a problem with it because you don't even know what the fark it is.

[world.guns.ru image 575x309]

It's be great if we got some people that actually knew a lot about the firearms industry and culture to play a part in the legislation, but all that seems to happen is the NRA runs around with fingers in their ears shouting "COLD DEAD HANDS".

Maybe if the NRA spent more time doing legitimate work, we might have better legislation, or the ability to prosecute the laws already on the books, or hell, a head at the ATF.


The problem Enry is that the NRA is the only lobbyist group fighting for people that know how guns actually work. I don't agree with their tactics and the cold dead hand bullshiat either. However if you read this thread and see the epic amount of ignorance in it in regards to guns and what they do you'll see, to some extent, why the NRA has to be so vocal.

The NRA actually does a lot of legitimate work and their safety programs of which I'm an instructor should be mandatory before gun ownership. The lobbyist side of the NRA has to create this kind of buzz and storm of derp in order to counter the Vpbs of the world that think some guns are more dangerous than other guns. People who think an M16 can be acquired easily or who think that criminals will register a gun. We have to counter people like that or we will in fact lose our rights to own fire arms and the NRA is the only voice out there that keep morons from making pointless and redundant laws like a "gun registry."

The NRA is the only organization keeping people who think a .22 "assault rifle" is more dangerous than a .45 hand gun.
 
2013-01-26 04:52:25 PM
Keep acting like crazy people, gun nuts. It only helps the case for gun control.
 
2013-01-26 04:52:53 PM

Haliburton Cummings: BgJonson79: GAT_00: violentsalvation: vpb: Amos Quito: There. See how silly you look?

No.  Do I look as silly as someone who thinks playing with their toys and not having to register them like a car or a motorcycle is more important than preventing mass shootings?

Please, inform us how registration will prevent mass shootings.

What legitimate reason is there to not register?

Being Jewish and remembering what happened last time ;-)

play the emotional currency card fail is fail

that's as good as the "Hitler Banned Guns Too" fallacy.


Are you making fun of me for being Jewish?
 
wee [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 04:53:10 PM

vpb: We already know gun control works


If this statement were true, Chicago and DC and NYC would be crime-free.
 
2013-01-26 04:53:25 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 368x290]
[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 620x446]
The government and you anti gun pillow biters can go fark yourselves.


Your second picture makes me think Chicago is proof that the only people who endanger Americans are Americans. Foreigners are not a threat, even when you're at war against them.

Maybe it needs a better caption?
 
2013-01-26 04:53:39 PM

Begoggle: I wonder how many of these illegal gun owners are demanding we arrest the illegals?


No innocent until proven guilty?
 
2013-01-26 04:54:01 PM

wee: vpb: We already know gun control works

If this statement were true, Chicago and DC and NYC would be crime-free.


Oh snap. vpd got a size 12 boot in the ass.
 
2013-01-26 04:54:50 PM

wee: vpb: We already know gun control works

If this statement were true, Chicago and DC and NYC would be crime-free.


You make the common mistake of defining "works" as "eliminates all crime", which is nothing more than a straw man.
"Reducing crime" is a better definition.
Has crime - specifically gun violence crime - been reduced in those cities?
Be honest now.
 
2013-01-26 04:54:51 PM

Schubert'sCell: violentsalvation: Why would they? It isn't about curbing gun violence. Registration serves no purpose other than to make a list and treasure map for the next step of what disingenuous farksticks call "reasonable gun control". The big grab.

You're damned skippy. But not necessarily the way that you imply.

If you lose your gun license (felon, crazy, or whatever other reason), that prevents you from buying more guns, and gets you in deep shiat if you get caught with guns you already have. If all guns are registered, then there is data that enables the government to effectively enforce the law.

And to the "government wants us to register so they can round up all the guns more easily" argument: DIAF. That would require the government to enact laws that more than half of politicians oppose, as well as the courts, not to mention the people.


Because gov't is static right?
 
2013-01-26 04:55:16 PM

Schubert'sCell: violentsalvation: Why would they? It isn't about curbing gun violence. Registration serves no purpose other than to make a list and treasure map for the next step of what disingenuous farksticks call "reasonable gun control". The big grab.

You're damned skippy. But not necessarily the way that you imply.

If you lose your gun license (felon, crazy, or whatever other reason), that prevents you from buying more guns, and gets you in deep shiat if you get caught with guns you already have. If all guns are registered, then there is data that enables the government to effectively enforce the law.

And to the "government wants us to register so they can round up all the guns more easily" argument: DIAF. That would require the government to enact laws that more than half of politicians oppose, as well as the courts, not to mention the people.


... Because the politicians, courts, and people never change their minds.
Let me tell you about a little thing called Prohibition...
 
2013-01-26 04:55:40 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Some of us don't support bans or confiscating and still see no f--king reason why registration and background checks for everyone and reasonable restrictions are SO GODDAMNED OFFENSIVE TO SUGGEST.



Some do not support bans or confiscation, but others do. So when a real gun-grabber gets in power, will the registrations be sealed? Or will those in power be able to use the registrations, which people like you claim could never be used for confiscation, as probable cause to justify confiscations that would otherwise violate the fourth amendment?

I'm in favor of all-around gun reform that protects legal gun owners and causes an actual decrease in deaths. But mandatory registration, without some heavy restrictions on using the data, is just an open door for a knee-jerk ban/confiscation of whatever scary looking gun the next killer uses.
 
2013-01-26 04:56:06 PM

nekom: The government doesn't know about my gun.  I didn't pluralize that, I only have one shotgun that was given to me years ago.  I'm not gun nut, in fact I am fully in favor of an aggressive ban on assault weapons, but the government doesn't need to know about ANYTHING that is within my private property.


What's an assault weapon that isn't currently banned?
 
2013-01-26 04:56:39 PM
Dear Gun Tribe:

No one is coming to take your guns. Chill the fark out. All your "This is the first step toward confiscationmageddon!1!!11!" paranoia only makes the rest of us think we should be taking your guns.

Thanks!
 
2013-01-26 04:57:27 PM

enry: xynix: Just keep this in mind.. Dipshiats that know nothing about guns who are participating in gun control and legislation conversations  Who have no idea that guns are already tracked and SNs are already tagged with your name and DL#. You may ban your so called "assault rifles" because you have no idea how guns work but this will always be legal and you won't have a problem with it because you don't even know what the fark it is.

[world.guns.ru image 575x309]

It's be great if we got some people that actually knew a lot about the firearms industry and culture to play a part in the legislation, but all that seems to happen is the NRA runs around with fingers in their ears shouting "COLD DEAD HANDS".

Maybe if the NRA spent more time doing legitimate work, we might have better legislation, or the ability to prosecute the laws already on the books, or hell, a head at the ATF.


Are you aware that the NRA has spent decades in training police, military, and civilians in firearm safety? Do you know that the NRA spent millions of dollars in the 1990s to support "Project Exile", a program in Virginia that created mandatory jail time for criminals who use guns? Do you know that the NRA has been pushing for instant background checks for decades?

No? You don't know these things? Perhaps you should learn more about the organization you insult. And yes, of course I can provide cites for all of my claims.

When your "knowings" about an organization you don't like are all from that organization's enemies, you just might get an inaccurate picture of what that organization actually stands for.
 
2013-01-26 04:58:02 PM
Seriously, the paranoid braying about the government coming to take your guns only makes it obvious that you're so goddamn unstable that you should never be permitted to even hold a loaded gun.
 
2013-01-26 04:58:12 PM

BgJonson79: Haliburton Cummings: BgJonson79: GAT_00: violentsalvation: vpb: Amos Quito:

What legitimate reason is there to not register?

Being Jewish and remembering what happened last time ;-)

play the emotional currency card fail is fail

that's as good as the "Hitler Banned Guns Too" fallacy.

Are you making fun of me for being Jewish?


you already did that yourself.

if your knowledge of the holocaust suggests that a lack of guns or gun registry played any significant part of the Jews being exterminated, you are an idiot.

but live in that fantasy.

read some Elie Wiesel... start there.
read any scholarly material on the holocaust and Germany and you will soon understand that guns and the gun laws of Germany has ZERO to do with the liquidation of the ghettos, the round ups etc...
 
2013-01-26 04:58:54 PM

Begoggle: wee: vpb: We already know gun control works

If this statement were true, Chicago and DC and NYC would be crime-free.

You make the common mistake of defining "works" as "eliminates all crime", which is nothing more than a straw man.
"Reducing crime" is a better definition.
Has crime - specifically gun violence crime - been reduced in those cities?
Be honest now.


Has it? Isn't Chicago one of the most violent cities in the nation? It's not about guns you anti gun coonts, it's about poverty and gangs, but that's to hard to solve so you guys want gun bans that don't work.
 
2013-01-26 04:59:01 PM

kxs401: Seriously, the paranoid braying about the government coming to take your guns only makes it obvious that you're so goddamn unstable that you should never be permitted to even hold a loaded gun.


SO MUCH THIS
 
2013-01-26 04:59:25 PM

Harry Knutz: Dear Gun Tribe:

No one is coming to take your guns. Chill the fark out. All your "This is the first step toward confiscationmageddon!1!!11!" paranoia only makes the rest of us think we should be taking your guns.

Thanks!


'Paranoia'??

It's just learning from History so we're not doomed to repeat it.
 
2013-01-26 04:59:28 PM
Grasping at straws to stop crazy.

Crazies gonna craze, making normal law abiding folk register their semi-auto guns just seems like an easy way out for the government. "Look what we did to protect you citizen."

Ted Kaczynski (sure only three dead but still)
Timothy McVeigh (No guns here...just pure unadulterated nut-job)
 
2013-01-26 04:59:29 PM

GAT_00: What legitimate reason is there to not register?


That's entirely the wrong question if we're still planning to be a free country. It's the same BS argument as "if you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide. So you won't mind the government illegally tapping your phone or searching your house"
 
2013-01-26 05:00:03 PM

the ha ha guy: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Some of us don't support bans or confiscating and still see no f--king reason why registration and background checks for everyone and reasonable restrictions are SO GODDAMNED OFFENSIVE TO SUGGEST.


Some do not support bans or confiscation, but others do. So when a real gun-grabber gets in power, will the registrations be sealed? Or will those in power be able to use the registrations, which people like you claim could never be used for confiscation, as probable cause to justify confiscations that would otherwise violate the fourth amendment?

I'm in favor of all-around gun reform that protects legal gun owners and causes an actual decrease in deaths. But mandatory registration, without some heavy restrictions on using the data, is just an open door for a knee-jerk ban/confiscation of whatever scary looking gun the next killer uses.


Thats the slippery slope my friend that we know could happen. It's not even a tinfoil conversation.. the bill of rights was set up for a specific purpose. When people who have no idea what they're talking about or people that are reacting to a particular event start dicking around with our bill of rights we're in trouble. Those guys that built that bill were very smart and they were brilliant visionarys and they created an excellent country that made other countries follow suit and also become republics or democratic/republic hybrids.
 
2013-01-26 05:00:23 PM
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2013-01-26 05:00:42 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.

Because according to gun nuts ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING IS OVERREACHING.  It's REGISTRATION, NOT banning or confiscating.  Some of us don't support bans or confiscating and still see no f--king reason why registration and background checks for everyone and reasonable restrictions are SO GODDAMNED OFFENSIVE TO SUGGEST.

Hell, even DISCUSSING guns was called overreaching ("too soon!!!").

GodDAMN I'm sick of it.


Check your facts, please.

You see, the background checks and registration are already happening. They have been for years. It's already the law. To buy one of these weapons, you have to go to a dealer with a FFL cert specifically so they can do a background check and register the SN on the weapon to your name.

The problem that they're having is with private trades, which would not be affected by any of this new legislation anyway.

All they're doing is trying to add redundant steps to the process as an excuse to tax the hell out of us some more.
 
2013-01-26 05:01:10 PM

Haliburton Cummings: kxs401: Seriously, the paranoid braying about the government coming to take your guns only makes it obvious that you're so goddamn unstable that you should never be permitted to even hold a loaded gun.

SO MUCH THIS


So, idiots like you and the other guy, are saying that we're paranoid because we believe that idiots like you, want to take our guns away, so, our guns should be taken away because we're paranoid?

How about we just put the bad guys in jail, instead? Project Exile. Google it. Mandatory sentences for gun crimes, double digit reduction in crime per year.

Google it.
 
2013-01-26 05:01:17 PM

vpb: Fark It:
Registration would have prevented school shootings? It seems to me that the only purpose of registration is confiscation, especially after reading and paying attention to what the gun-banners are saying.

Or to hold the owners (Nancy Lanza) responsible if they fail to secure them properly and they are stolen (by Adam Lanza) and used in a crime, or if they are sold to a criminal.


In other words, registration would not have prevented Sandy Hook, and the 'responsible owner' paid the ultimate price for her failure to secure her weapons.
 
2013-01-26 05:01:32 PM

dahmers love zombie: Would it be acceptable to have gun registration if there were a change in the Constitution forbidding the Federal government (or any lesser government) to ever use such lists for the purpose of confiscation?

I'm not arguing for or against it.  I'm just wondering if those who worry about registration being a "grab list" would be happier if there were specific language that would essentially forever ban just what they are worried about.


I believe very similar legislation was included deep in the "Obama Healthcare" bill by Harry reid, where it was promptly forgoten about - until recently.

On page 19 under Health & Wellness section - http://www.ncsl.org/documents/health/ppaca-consolidated.pdf
 
2013-01-26 05:02:15 PM

djh0101010: Do you know that the NRA has been pushing for instant background checks for decades?



That didn't stop them and their supporters from complaining about Obama's suggestion to do exactly that.
 
2013-01-26 05:02:19 PM
Well, that's typical of today's Entitlement Generation. No respect for the law. It's all me me me.
 
2013-01-26 05:02:23 PM

vpb: xynix: True story.. I'm a gun owner and I will never register my gun with any agency.. state or federal. I'm not going to be forced to do something criminals don't have to do. The government can go fark themselves.

Another criminal with access to guns.

You should really move somewhere where they don't have government.  Like the tribal areas of Pakistan or Somalia.  You can be all Mad Max there.


Herpa Derpa Derpa Derpa.
 
2013-01-26 05:02:35 PM

kxs401: Seriously, the paranoid braying about the government coming to take your guns only makes it obvious that you're so goddamn unstable that you should never be permitted to even hold a loaded gun.


I love the logic.

"We're not gonna take your guns. The fact you think we are makes you crazy... So we're gonna take your guns!"
 
2013-01-26 05:02:35 PM

xynix: When people who have no idea what they're talking about or people that are reacting to a particular event start dicking around with our bill of rights we're in trouble.


awesome..now go and bring free speech and right to trial back will ya? i know you are busy with "guns" right now but being a staunch supporter of the "bill of rights", you might have noticed those things being eroded first.

start there, work down to guns.
 
2013-01-26 05:02:36 PM
Historic experience here and in Canada shows that when you try to force gun owners into a registration and licensing system, there's usually mass opposition and mass noncompliance,"

Some context around the Canadian legislation, just for fun:

The administration of the day, in response to very high-profile urban handgun crimes (Lepine's Montreal massacre in particular, in addition toToronto gang-related crime), introduced a long-gun registry that affected mostly rural owners who used their firearms as typical farm equipment - coyote and gopher control. The legislation was introduced in the HOC with a pricetag of 2 million, which ballooned to BILLIONS in short order.

The effect the legislation had on urban hand gun crime was pretty much what you'd expect. Urbanites had no problem with the tremendous leap in logic as they were not affected - it was Joe & Martha in Thunder Bay & Medicine Hat. Probably more people participated than not because law-abiding farming folks did not want to run afoul of the law, regardless of what an ass the law was. That, and Canadians generally do what they're told.

It didn't affect criminals, it just created potentially more 'criminals' - those who refused to pay a new fee, the proceeds of which supported the bureaucracy that implemented the fees (snake eating itself.jpeg)

The legislation has since been rescinded, and rightfully so. The money would have been much better spent if diverted into mental health services and urban gang policing.

So...... what are y'all having for afternoon tea?
 
2013-01-26 05:02:44 PM

fredklein:

'Paranoia'??


Yes, freddy, paranoia. Also, history is decided by the victors. In this case, that would be you, the gun owners. No one is taking your precioussss.
 
2013-01-26 05:02:52 PM
I don't have any guns, but when people are anti-gun/pro gun control, you aren't helping anything with the bs name calling. Saying 'gun nuts', or saying guns are replacements for small dangly bits, or any of those childish things just push people away from your side. I see gun owners explain how things work much better than I've seen gun control advocates explain their side. Due to the sheer immaturity and childlike name calling, you are hurting your argument. So much so, that while I used to be 'meh' on guns, I'm now leaning towards the gun owner's point of view. It may start with 'oh just register your gun, nothing will happen', but when governments want to crack down further, it'll just be that much easier. Right now it's just registration, what will it be tomorrow?
 
2013-01-26 05:03:08 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Chariset: Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.

Sure.  What's a school full of dead children compared to your personal momentary inconvenience?

The appeal to emotion continues unabated, I see. Are there any other things you'd like to see built on the backs of dead children, or are you just doing what you guys always do, make tomorrow's bans the new normal to set the stage for the next opportunity?


It's like they're all fans of the PATRIOT Act or something.
 
2013-01-26 05:03:44 PM

xynix: Just keep this in mind.. Dipshiats that know nothing about guns who are participating in gun control and legislation conversations  Who have no idea that guns are already tracked and SNs are already tagged with your name and DL#. You may ban your so called "assault rifles" because you have no idea how guns work but this will always be legal and you won't have a problem with it because you don't even know what the fark it is.

[world.guns.ru image 575x309]


Well according to the image data it's an M79 grenade launcher. Which is legal in the same way machine guns are legal, meaning very expensive and lots of paperwork plus for this all your rounds have to be registered as destructive devices. I'm ok with this and would be in favor of moving all semi-automatic weapons into a similar category.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 05:04:16 PM

GAT_00: xynix: Come on now Gat.. You know how the government works. With registration comes registration fees for one thing. Then comes a new government arm of the BATF specifically built for handling registrations.. Another 1000 empty suits processing paperwork. First the fee will be 20 or 30 bucks then it will be 100 bucks and then who knows what else.

When I get a fishing license I pay a fee.. That's fine as the DNR stocks the rivers and lakes with 100s of thousands of fish. My fee goes to a legit and tangible thing. When I get my hunting license the same thing applies as the DNR maintains the roads to get into the places where I hunt and they also stock the feeders where the deer feed during harsh winter months. Again I have something tangible for my fee. The same can be said about a car as the money I'm paying for goes to pay for roads and stop signs .. lights and rest areas. It's tangible. What do I get for my gun registration fee?

It goes beyond that anyway.. I'm constitutionally granted a right to own guns and I'm not going to register them for any reason what-so-ever and I have enough money to pay a lawyer to fight such a thing if a law like that were ever passed. I would take it to the supreme court. This shiat will not happen to me:

So, tinfoil.  If you register it, it will be taken away, because we all know that once you register your car, you're just waiting for someone to come confiscate it.


Stop that. Those who are opposed to the gun controls, and have used the "car vs gun" analogy, drew fire from those of you who desire the gun controls legislation.
If the pro-gunners can't use the car/gun analogy then neither can the anti-gun folks.

Fair is fair. Nobody gets to use it. Now come up with a coherent and rational retort, or admit you haven't one.
 
2013-01-26 05:04:19 PM

fredklein: kxs401: Seriously, the paranoid braying about the government coming to take your guns only makes it obvious that you're so goddamn unstable that you should never be permitted to even hold a loaded gun.

I love the logic.

"We're not gonna take your guns. The fact you think we are makes you crazy... So we're gonna take your guns!"


I'm not sure you understand how logic works, actually. Anyway, wanting to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people is not the same as a total gun ban. I understand that it would be the same thing to you -- because you're a paranoid nutbar -- but it's not actually the same thing.
 
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