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(NYPost)   State of NY to legal firearms owners, "Register your weapons, it's the law." Legal firearms owners to the State of NY, "Guns? I don't own any guns, and you can't prove it so go fark yourselves"   (nypost.com) divider line 1301
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2013-01-26 12:39:23 PM  
Good.
 
2013-01-26 12:42:15 PM  
If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.
 
2013-01-26 12:44:55 PM  
Meh. I don't really see how requiring firearms to be registered is all that big of a deal.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 12:46:33 PM  
So much for "law abiding gun owners".

We need to legalize drugs to free up some prison space.
 
2013-01-26 12:46:37 PM  
The government doesn't know about my gun.  I didn't pluralize that, I only have one shotgun that was given to me years ago.  I'm not gun nut, in fact I am fully in favor of an aggressive ban on assault weapons, but the government doesn't need to know about ANYTHING that is within my private property.
 
2013-01-26 12:50:52 PM  

Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.


Sure.  What's a school full of dead children compared to your personal momentary inconvenience?
 
2013-01-26 12:50:55 PM  
And when you call the cops to report a break-in and they see your unregistered gun, you get to go to jail and become someone's wife.

You're hardcore, dude.
 
2013-01-26 01:14:18 PM  

Chariset: Fark It: If there's one constant in the gun control debate it's that the people who support bans and confiscation will always, without fail, overreach.

Sure.  What's a school full of dead children compared to your personal momentary inconvenience?


Registration would have prevented school shootings? It seems to me that the only purpose of registration is confiscation, especially after reading and paying attention to what the gun-banners are saying.
 
2013-01-26 01:27:16 PM  

Fark It:
Registration would have prevented school shootings? It seems to me that the only purpose of registration is confiscation,


Saying it doesn't make it true.
 
2013-01-26 01:34:57 PM  
Why would they? It isn't about curbing gun violence. Registration serves no purpose other than to make a list and treasure map for the next step of what disingenuous farksticks call "reasonable gun control". The big grab.
 
2013-01-26 01:38:12 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Meh. I don't really see how requiring firearms to be registered is all that big of a deal.



Makes confiscation a whole lot easier.


vpb: So much for "law abiding gun owners".

We need to legalize drugs to free up some prison space.



End the Drug War and most gun-related crimes will disappear.

Naturally,
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 01:41:10 PM  
Fark It:
Registration would have prevented school shootings? It seems to me that the only purpose of registration is confiscation, especially after reading and paying attention to what the gun-banners are saying.

Or to hold the owners responsible if they fail to secure them properly and they are stolen and used in a crime, or if they are sold to a criminal.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 01:42:37 PM  
Amos Quito:

End the Drug War and most gun-related crimes will disappear.

Yes, all of those school shootings are committed by drug dealers.
 
2013-01-26 01:50:41 PM  

vpb: Amos Quito:

End the Drug War and most gun-related crimes will disappear.

Yes, all of those school shootings are committed by drug dealers.



4.bp.blogspot.com


"All those school shootings" combined are but a fraction of a percentage of all gun-related crimes.
 
2013-01-26 01:57:14 PM  
Morons.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 02:01:30 PM  
Amos Quito:

"All those school shootings" combined are but a fraction of a percentage of all gun-related crimes.

So they don't matter and there's no point in doing anything about them, right?
 
2013-01-26 02:01:53 PM  
True story.. I'm a gun owner and I will never register my gun with any agency.. state or federal. I'm not going to be forced to do something criminals don't have to do. The government can go fark themselves.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 02:08:56 PM  

xynix: True story.. I'm a gun owner and I will never register my gun with any agency.. state or federal. I'm not going to be forced to do something criminals don't have to do. The government can go fark themselves.


Another criminal with access to guns.

You should really move somewhere where they don't have government.  Like the tribal areas of Pakistan or Somalia.  You can be all Mad Max there.
 
2013-01-26 02:11:53 PM  

vpb: Amos Quito:

"All those school shootings" combined are but a fraction of a percentage of all gun-related crimes.

So they don't matter and there's no point in doing anything about them, right?



Let's put that back in context, shall we?


Amos Quito: End the Drug War and most gun-related crimes will disappear.

vpb:  Yes, all of those school shootings are committed by drug dealer

Amos Quito:All those school shootings" combined are but a fraction of a percentage of all gun-related crimes.

vpb: So they don't matter and there's no point in doing anything about them, right?


There. See how silly you look?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 02:15:29 PM  

Amos Quito: There. See how silly you look?


No.  Do I look as silly as someone who thinks playing with their toys and not having to register them like a car or a motorcycle is more important than preventing mass shootings?
 
2013-01-26 02:20:22 PM  

vpb: Amos Quito: There. See how silly you look?

No.  Do I look as silly as someone who thinks playing with their toys and not having to register them like a car or a motorcycle is more important than preventing mass shootings?



Far more silly, actually.

t-lay.com

You're in the right place.
 
2013-01-26 02:27:32 PM  

vpb: Amos Quito: There. See how silly you look?

No.  Do I look as silly as someone who thinks playing with their toys and not having to register them like a car or a motorcycle is more important than preventing mass shootings?


Yeah making legal owners register their guns will really prevent mass shootings. Because everyone who has done a mass shooting or blown up a building registers their ordinance. They're the most lawful people out there don't you know? Not a single person has stolen a gun used in a mass shooting .. especially not that guy that killed 24 people in CT who absolutely did not steal his guns from a legal owner.

You don't look silly at all you just look like a moron. Cars and motorcycles are not in the constitution FYI.
 
2013-01-26 02:30:06 PM  
That's why I refuse to register my car. It only makes it easier for the government to take it. For some reason. I guess.
 
2013-01-26 02:32:26 PM  

Fark It: Registration would have prevented school shootings? It seems to me that the only purpose of registration is confiscation, especially after reading and paying attention to what the gun-banners are saying.


You sound like a child. Which would not be such a bad thing, except that you are probably armed.
 
2013-01-26 02:38:02 PM  
California and its SKS laws show that registration can indeed lead to confiscation.
First SKS Sporters owners were required to register them.
Then, because gun-haters never stop hating, they made them completely illegal.
And they had a complete list of everyone who had one, so they knew right were to look.
 
2013-01-26 02:39:22 PM  

vpb: Amos Quito: There. See how silly you look?

No.  Do I look as silly as someone who thinks playing with their toys and not having to register them like a car or a motorcycle is more important than preventing mass shootings?


Please, inform us how registration will prevent mass shootings.
 
2013-01-26 02:42:04 PM  

violentsalvation: vpb: Amos Quito: There. See how silly you look?

No.  Do I look as silly as someone who thinks playing with their toys and not having to register them like a car or a motorcycle is more important than preventing mass shootings?

Please, inform us how registration will prevent mass shootings.


What legitimate reason is there to not register?
 
2013-01-26 02:43:09 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: That's why I refuse to register my car. It only makes it easier for the government to take it. For some reason. I guess.


Wow I didn't realize cars where in the constitution.. ? Which amendment is that covered under anyway? It's certainly not in the bill of rights. Guess your constitution is a more updated version that the one I'm used to. Is the right to have an internet in there too?
 
2013-01-26 02:52:41 PM  

GAT_00: What legitimate reason is there to not register?


Come on now Gat.. You know how the government works. With registration comes registration fees for one thing. Then comes a new government arm of the BATF specifically built for handling registrations.. Another 1000 empty suits processing paperwork. First the fee will be 20 or 30 bucks then it will be 100 bucks and then who knows what else.

When I get a fishing license I pay a fee.. That's fine as the DNR stocks the rivers and lakes with 100s of thousands of fish. My fee goes to a legit and tangible thing.  When I get my hunting license the same thing applies as the DNR maintains the roads to get into the places where I hunt and they also stock the feeders where the deer feed during harsh winter months. Again I have something tangible for my fee. The same can be said about a car as the money I'm paying for goes to pay for roads and stop signs .. lights and rest areas. It's tangible. What do I get for my gun registration fee?

It goes beyond that anyway.. I'm constitutionally granted a right to own guns and I'm not going to register them for any reason what-so-ever and I have enough money to pay a lawyer to fight such a thing if a law like that were ever passed. I would take it to the supreme court. This shiat will not happen to me:

syrynxx: hen, because gun-haters never stop hating, they made them completely illegal.
And they had a complete list of everyone who had one, so they knew right were to look.

 
2013-01-26 02:54:03 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: That's why I refuse to register my car. It only makes it easier for the government to take it. For some reason. I guess.


You only have to register your car if you plan on using public roads. I have no problem registering and acquiring licensing for guns meant to be carried on my person in public for self-defense, should I so desire.
 
2013-01-26 02:55:18 PM  

xynix: What do I get for my gun registration fee?


You get to keep the guns that we've approved! For now.
 
2013-01-26 02:59:45 PM  

xynix: Come on now Gat.. You know how the government works. With registration comes registration fees for one thing. Then comes a new government arm of the BATF specifically built for handling registrations.. Another 1000 empty suits processing paperwork. First the fee will be 20 or 30 bucks then it will be 100 bucks and then who knows what else.

When I get a fishing license I pay a fee.. That's fine as the DNR stocks the rivers and lakes with 100s of thousands of fish. My fee goes to a legit and tangible thing. When I get my hunting license the same thing applies as the DNR maintains the roads to get into the places where I hunt and they also stock the feeders where the deer feed during harsh winter months. Again I have something tangible for my fee. The same can be said about a car as the money I'm paying for goes to pay for roads and stop signs .. lights and rest areas. It's tangible. What do I get for my gun registration fee?

It goes beyond that anyway.. I'm constitutionally granted a right to own guns and I'm not going to register them for any reason what-so-ever and I have enough money to pay a lawyer to fight such a thing if a law like that were ever passed. I would take it to the supreme court. This shiat will not happen to me:


So, tinfoil.  If you register it, it will be taken away, because we all know that once you register your car, you're just waiting for someone to come confiscate it.
 
2013-01-26 03:12:16 PM  

GAT_00: So, tinfoil.  If you register it, it will be taken away, because we all know that once you register your car, you're just waiting for someone to come confiscate it.


I'm not really afraid they're going to come after me.. I'm not militia and I don't wear camo. When you go through the background check to own a gun you are doing enough to notify the government what you have. When I purchased my M&P assault rifle it took around 2 weeks before I could go pick it up. I'm cool with that.. They got my info, my DL#, they did a full look at my record to see if I was allowed to own a gun. The did the same thing with that guy in CT that killed 24 people.. He was rejected so he just stole the guns he wanted. I'm cool with background checks and I'm even cooler with that happening in a private sale (it would actually protect ME the seller) and I'm really cool with it happening in gun shows. But that's it. If I want to carry it in public as Fark It indicated I will require a license which I have and it took about 6 weeks to get. It's a carry and conceal permit. I paid a fee and that fee went to process my GBI background check.. Tangible.

What I won't do is register my guns. I'm not going to play more TSA type farking games with the government to help create an illusion that someone is being "protected." It's creating a process that isn't necessary, will do absolutely no good, will change absolutely nothing, would have prevented zero of the mass murders we've seen in the past 20 years.

So I'll toss the question back to you.. What legitimate reason is there TO register?
 
2013-01-26 03:18:43 PM  

GAT_00: xynix: Come on now Gat.. You know how the government works. With registration comes registration fees for one thing. Then comes a new government arm of the BATF specifically built for handling registrations.. Another 1000 empty suits processing paperwork. First the fee will be 20 or 30 bucks then it will be 100 bucks and then who knows what else.

When I get a fishing license I pay a fee.. That's fine as the DNR stocks the rivers and lakes with 100s of thousands of fish. My fee goes to a legit and tangible thing. When I get my hunting license the same thing applies as the DNR maintains the roads to get into the places where I hunt and they also stock the feeders where the deer feed during harsh winter months. Again I have something tangible for my fee. The same can be said about a car as the money I'm paying for goes to pay for roads and stop signs .. lights and rest areas. It's tangible. What do I get for my gun registration fee?

It goes beyond that anyway.. I'm constitutionally granted a right to own guns and I'm not going to register them for any reason what-so-ever and I have enough money to pay a lawyer to fight such a thing if a law like that were ever passed. I would take it to the supreme court. This shiat will not happen to me:

So, tinfoil.  If you register it, it will be taken away, because we all know that once you register your car, you're just waiting for someone to come confiscate it.



Looking at your profile, I see that you have declined to list all of your personal information - real name,  DOB, home and work address, phone number, name of spouse, children (and all of their related info) etc.

Why is that?

Sure, here in America you have a "right" to free speech, but why should you be able to do so under a pseudonym?

Sure, you may be a law abiding citizen, but we all know that there ARE people out there who might say things that are offensive, threatening or even treasonous. Hell, some people might even abuse their "right" to speech by inciting others to do bad things.

Don't you think this whole "free speech" thing is getting out of hand?

Are you ready to register your keyboard?
 
2013-01-26 03:22:03 PM  

GAT_00: violentsalvation: vpb: Amos Quito: There. See how silly you look?

No.  Do I look as silly as someone who thinks playing with their toys and not having to register them like a car or a motorcycle is more important than preventing mass shootings?

Please, inform us how registration will prevent mass shootings.

What legitimate reason is there to not register?


The inherent purpose of registration is to allow for later confiscation. It's happened in NYC and later in California with SKS's. If people are OK with that, OK. But they should admit it and not pretend their agenda has anything to do with preventing gun violence. The car registration comparison is silly.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 03:33:26 PM  

xynix: You don't look silly at all you just look like a moron. Cars and motorcycles are not in the constitution FYI.


I always wondered how things look through the eyes of someone who thinks that assault weapons are in the constitution and who is a criminal.

Honest law abiding people will register their firearms, criminals will not.  An unregistered gun in an incriminating object.  It is very difficult ro prove that someone was going to commit a crime in the future, but possession of an unregistered firearm is easy to prove.

A criminal (like you for instance) who caries an unregistered firearm has a chance of bring arrested for a firearms violation, hopefully before they shoot up a school.

It also helps separate the sane from the insane.  The sort of paranoids who think that the 2nd amendment was intended help them become terrorists to overthrow the government if it tries to take their guns are the very people who shouldn't be allowed to have guns.  Basically the sort of people who admit on the internet that they plan to commit felonies if they don't get their way (like you did).

So, yes, registering guns could reduce crime by a good bit, even without a ban on the more dangerous sorts of gun.
 
2013-01-26 03:49:05 PM  

vpb: Amos Quito:

"All those school shootings" combined are but a fraction of a percentage of all gun-related crimes.

So they don't matter and there's no point in doing anything about them, right?


"We have to do something!"
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 03:49:13 PM  
violentsalvation:

The inherent purpose of registration is to allow for later confiscation. It's happened in NYC and later in California with SKS's. If people are OK with that, OK. But they should admit it and not pretend their agenda has anything to do with preventing gun violence. The car registration comparison is silly.


So why haven't the cars been confiscated?  Obviously the gun bans in California and New York aren't unconstitutional of they would have been overturned in court by now, so the 2nd amendment argument is nonsense.

One of the reasons that we have prison is to give people a reason who don't understand or care about the purpose of a law a reason to obey it.  So there's your reason to register your guns.  To stay out of PMITA prison.

Or, if it's that important to you, go there.
 
2013-01-26 03:49:19 PM  

vpb: A criminal (like you for instance) who caries an unregistered firearm has a chance of bring arrested for a firearms violation, hopefully before they shoot up a school.


This is what "reasonable" and "commonsense" looks like to anti-gunners.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 03:50:32 PM  
Frank N Stein:

"We have to do something!"

Yep.  And doing what has worked everywhere else would be the sensible thing to do.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 03:54:01 PM  

Fark It: vpb: A criminal (like you for instance) who caries an unregistered firearm has a chance of bring arrested for a firearms violation, hopefully before they shoot up a school.

This is what "reasonable" and "commonsense" looks like to anti-gunners.


Yes, how silly to think that someone who has said that they will commit a crime would actually do something criminal.

(you didn't reat the whole thread did you?)
 
2013-01-26 03:54:15 PM  

vpb: xynix: You don't look silly at all you just look like a moron. Cars and motorcycles are not in the constitution FYI.

I always wondered how things look through the eyes of someone who thinks that assault weapons are in the constitution and who is a criminal.

Honest law abiding people will register their firearms, criminals will not.  An unregistered gun in an incriminating object.  It is very difficult ro prove that someone was going to commit a crime in the future, but possession of an unregistered firearm is easy to prove.

A criminal (like you for instance) who caries an unregistered firearm has a chance of bring arrested for a firearms violation, hopefully before they shoot up a school.

It also helps separate the sane from the insane.  The sort of paranoids who think that the 2nd amendment was intended help them become terrorists to overthrow the government if it tries to take their guns are the very people who shouldn't be allowed to have guns.  Basically the sort of people who admit on the internet that they plan to commit felonies if they don't get their way (like you did).

So, yes, registering guns could reduce crime by a good bit, even without a ban on the more dangerous sorts of gun.


A ban on "the more dangerous sorts of guns?" And what gun is more dangerous than another gun for example? Something with 30 rounds in a clip is more dangerous than 3 individual clips of 10? Can you tell me what is more dangerous between my M&P 15-22 assault rifle which holds 25 rounds and my .45 which holds 10? I can swap a clip in my .45 in less than 2 seconds. Competitive guys can do it in less than 1/4 of a second - literally blink your eye and you'll miss it. I don't have to register my gun because in Georgia we're not all retards when it comes to fire arms. I'm a certified instructor in every discipline and I even machined the barrel for my .45 myself. I make my own ammo.. I've been shooting since I was 8. For instance I know that one gun is as dangerous as any other gun.

People like you who have no farking clue what you're talking about are the problem. You think that assault rifle I own is more dangerous than the .45 I own? I can shoot a 1 inch group at 25 yards all day with that .45 and I pump out 30 rounds in 10 seconds. Do you even know what that means? Again.. you're a moron reaching high to become an idiot.
 
2013-01-26 03:58:10 PM  

Amos Quito: Looking at your profile, I see that you have declined to list all of your personal information - real name, DOB, home and work address, phone number, name of spouse, children (and all of their related info) etc.


That's because I choose not to mix my Internet personality with my actual personality.  They're largely the same, but I'm much more willing to degenerate into open abuse of people on here than I am IRL.  I would never do such a thing in person and I have no wish to associate the two.  It's also the reason I don't go to any Fark meetups.  But first, thanks for giving me a heart attack since I do have my first name hidden and I misread and thought it wasn't.  I've said enough personal information over time that someone dedicated to stalking me could probably figure out who I am.  Second, Fark is not the government, so the rest of your comparison is irrelevant.

violentsalvation: The inherent purpose of registration is to allow for later confiscation.


Seriously, bullshiat.  And in the event your weapons are stolen, the ability to report they were stolen and establish that any following activities committed by someone using them is not your fault is a positive.

xynix: What legitimate reason is there TO register?


See above for one.
 
2013-01-26 04:01:00 PM  
Would it be acceptable to have gun registration if there were a change in the Constitution forbidding the Federal government (or any lesser government) to ever use such lists for the purpose of confiscation?

I'm not arguing for or against it.  I'm just wondering if those who worry about registration being a "grab list" would be happier if there were specific language that would essentially forever ban just what they are worried about.
 
2013-01-26 04:02:56 PM  

vpb: I always wondered how things look through the eyes of someone who thinks that assault weapons are in the constitution and who is a criminal.

Honest law abiding people will register their firearms, criminals will not. An unregistered gun in an incriminating object. It is very difficult ro prove that someone was going to commit a crime in the future, but possession of an unregistered firearm is easy to prove.



1. The law has not taken effect YET
2. He doesn't live in New York, so the law will not apply to him


Are there ANY laws that the government might possibly enact that you might have a problem with? That you might defy?

Have you ANY "rights" that you are not willing to lie down and surrender in the name of being a "law abiding citizen"?

For instance, are you ready to REGISTER in order to exercise your First Amendment right to express your opinion here on Fark or elsewhere?

It's not the law - YET - but there are those who are pushing for it - and HARD. Are you willing register your speech?
 
2013-01-26 04:03:08 PM  

vpb: violentsalvation:

The inherent purpose of registration is to allow for later confiscation. It's happened in NYC and later in California with SKS's. If people are OK with that, OK. But they should admit it and not pretend their agenda has anything to do with preventing gun violence. The car registration comparison is silly.


So why haven't the cars been confiscated?  Obviously the gun bans in California and New York aren't unconstitutional of they would have been overturned in court by now, so the 2nd amendment argument is nonsense.

One of the reasons that we have prison is to give people a reason who don't understand or care about the purpose of a law a reason to obey it.  So there's your reason to register your guns.  To stay out of PMITA prison.

Or, if it's that important to you, go there.


So that's what it comes down to. "Register your guns because we say so, no other reason, and if you don't you'll go to jail."

You don't have to register a car to use it on private property. The cars would be seized, if they were used in the commission of a felony. The comparison is apples and pudding pops.
 
2013-01-26 04:11:49 PM  

GAT_00: Seriously, bullshiat.  And in the event your weapons are stolen, the ability to report they were stolen and establish that any following activities committed by someone using them is not your fault is a positive.

xynix: What legitimate reason is there TO register?

See above for one.


Nah. What you're asking for is another process which isn't needed and won't be followed by most gun owners. Do you know that when you buy a gun from a gun store that the serial number and owner are sent to the local ATF and then the federal BATF? Your DL# is associated with the SN of the gun. If my gun is stolen I would simply call the police and notify them that it was stolen and give them the SN. If you want to sell the gun you can choose to sell it through a gun broker and unassociate your DL# with the SN. You can also simply create a bill of sale and get it notarized so the ownership can be tracked. This would be rectified by making all gun sales require a background check which I would be fine with as again.. It would protect me when I swap guns with a buddy.

What you're asking for is redundant and unlike that idiot Vpb I know you're a smart guy.. People who don't own guns don't know the process and that's fine. The only thing to be accomplished by creating a "registration" division of the BATF is to create a profit center for an already bloated government that will serve no purpose other than to be redundant to a division of the BATF that already does this. Also.. FEES. So nah.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 04:12:33 PM  

xynix: A ban on "the more dangerous sorts of guns?" And what gun is more dangerous than another gun for example? Something with 30 rounds in a clip is more dangerous than 3 individual clips of 10? Can you tell me what is more dangerous between my M&P 15-22 assault rifle which holds 25 rounds and my .45 which holds 10? I can swap a clip in my .45 in less than 2 seconds. Competitive guys can do it in less than 1/4 of a second - literally blink your eye and you'll miss it. I don't have to register my gun because in Georgia we're not all retards when it comes to fire arms. I'm a certified instructor in every discipline and I even machined the barrel for my .45 myself. I make my own ammo.. I've been shooting since I was 8. For instance I know that one gun is as dangerous as any o ...


This is one of the more amusing arguments gun nuts make.  If M-16s weren't more effective than bold action rifles, especially at close range, the DoD wouldn't have gone to the expense of buying them would it?  This argument has been shot down many times before.

We already know gun control works, it has been tested in the entire developed world.  It's just a matter of choosing the most effective policies and getting them past the lobbyists and crazies.
 
2013-01-26 04:14:12 PM  

GAT_00: violentsalvation: The inherent purpose of registration is to allow for later confiscation.

Seriously, bullshiat. And in the event your weapons are stolen, the ability to report they were stolen and establish that any following activities committed by someone using them is not your fault is a positive.



My guns don't need to be registered for me to be able to report them stolen.
 
2013-01-26 04:14:57 PM  
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