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(Washington Post)   The Mafia has their hands in everything: drugs, prostitution, gambling, renewable energy- wait, what?   (articles.washingtonpost.com) divider line 45
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2013-01-26 12:58:23 PM  
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"I just want to wet my beak"
 
2013-01-26 01:24:08 PM  
Oh Sicily. Yeah, can't flush a toilet with the mob's ok. Italy should just do themselves a favor and give them the boot.
 
2013-01-26 01:24:16 PM  
They're also heavy into counterfeiting designer clothes.

/Gomorrah is an excellent book
 
2013-01-26 01:24:24 PM  
My Italian brothers still offer better rates than...

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2013-01-26 01:26:38 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: They're also heavy into counterfeiting designer clothes.

/Gomorrah is an excellent book


So if Italians counterfeit Itslian designers then doesn't the buyer still get what they want?
 
2013-01-26 01:27:12 PM  
The mob is heavy into garbage, which is a source of renewable energy.
 
2013-01-26 01:27:53 PM  

Clash City Farker: The mob is heavy into garbage, which is a source of renewable energy.


So it comes full circle.
 
2013-01-26 01:29:13 PM  
Is that weird? They may be criminals, but who said they're stupid? All this shows is that they're less shortsighted than Republicans.
 
2013-01-26 01:29:42 PM  
What's the difference between the Mafia and Corporations?


No, seriously.
 
2013-01-26 01:30:10 PM  
FTFA government subsidies to fuel a shift toward
cleaner energies, with critics claiming that huge
state incentives created excessive profits for
companies and a market bubble ripe for fraud.

yeah, that's about what I figured, nothing new here
 
2013-01-26 01:33:38 PM  

Amos Quito: What's the difference between the Mafia and Corporations?


No, seriously.


The mafia has an honor code?
The mafia is more willing to pay taxes if the feds leave them alone?
The mafia is honest about bribing politicians?
 
2013-01-26 01:34:11 PM  
Obviously, the Mafia is still spooked by how The Sopranos ended and are afraid of it going dark.
 
2013-01-26 01:34:23 PM  

Amos Quito: What's the difference between the Mafia and Corporations?


No, seriously.


Laws.
 
2013-01-26 01:38:27 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Amos Quito: What's the difference between the Mafia and Corporations?


No, seriously.

The mafia has an honor code?
The mafia is more willing to pay taxes if the feds leave them alone?
The mafia is honest about bribing politicians?


the mafia occasionally looks good when it's protrayed in movies and other media
 
2013-01-26 01:40:33 PM  
In Jersey we are the kings of renewable energy.

/dated a carters daughter in the late 70's, slept with her and was visited by the brother... and five guys!

/will so not give the name
 
2013-01-26 01:42:52 PM  
This is Obama's fault.
 
2013-01-26 01:47:15 PM  
To what lengths will big oil not go to villianize renewable energy?
/only half snarky
//they just might go this far
 
2013-01-26 01:50:38 PM  

Maus III: Alright so after I had met up with my local USAF recruiter, he told me I was ready for MEPS to take the ASVAB and get my physical done.


0/10.  You lose a lot of people by leading off with jargon.
 
2013-01-26 02:03:04 PM  
I once knew a fellow who drove a Camaro. It had five-spoke mag wheels, which was the fashion at the time. Down the street, there was a dog that chased him every day as he came around the corner. One day, the fellow stopped. He thought the dog would just get puzzled about what to do next. Nope, the dog tried to jump through the side window and eat his face.

So, the fellow decided to get an old bath towel. Every day, as he turned the corner, he hung the towel out the window. After only a few days, he had the dog trained to snap and chomp at the towel. The fellow was ready for the next stage.

He stuck the towel in and out of the spokes of his left rear rim so that it flopped about as he drove. He did this just before he got to where the dog waited. He then drove slowly around the corner. After only a few more days, he had the dog trained to vent his instincts and anger at the spinning towel.

Finally, the fellow was ready. He approached the corner with the towel in the rim, and instead of turning and taking off, he stopped, just like the first time when the dog tried to eat his face through the window. The dog went straight for the towel and clamped on hard and tried his best to pull the towel out.

The fellow just gunned it and popped the clutch. He said the poor bastard still had enough biting reflex that he went womp-womp on the pavement twice before he was slung past the rear bumper.
 
2013-01-26 02:03:52 PM  

Smgth: The mob US Government isn't as stupid as TV makes them out to be. They'll get into anything with a profit margin.

ftfy
 
2013-01-26 02:06:50 PM  

letrole: I once knew a fellow who drove a Camaro. It had five-spoke mag wheels, which was the fashion at the time. Down the street, there was a dog that chased him every day as he came around the corner. One day, the fellow stopped. He thought the dog would just get puzzled about what to do next. Nope, the dog tried to jump through the side window and eat his face.

So, the fellow decided to get an old bath towel. Every day, as he turned the corner, he hung the towel out the window. After only a few days, he had the dog trained to snap and chomp at the towel. The fellow was ready for the next stage.

He stuck the towel in and out of the spokes of his left rear rim so that it flopped about as he drove. He did this just before he got to where the dog waited. He then drove slowly around the corner. After only a few more days, he had the dog trained to vent his instincts and anger at the spinning towel.

Finally, the fellow was ready. He approached the corner with the towel in the rim, and instead of turning and taking off, he stopped, just like the first time when the dog tried to eat his face through the window. The dog went straight for the towel and clamped on hard and tried his best to pull the towel out.

The fellow just gunned it and popped the clutch. He said the poor bastard still had enough biting reflex that he went womp-womp on the pavement twice before he was slung past the rear bumper.



Interesting, but do you think Al Gore would fall for it?
 
2013-01-26 02:08:54 PM  
I think that all that really matters is that the kids are happy together.

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2013-01-26 02:11:55 PM  

Clash City Farker: Amos Quito: What's the difference between the Mafia and Corporations?


No, seriously.

Laws.


Corporations can break them without punishment.
 
2013-01-26 02:17:53 PM  

Amos Quito: What's the difference between the Mafia and Corporations Government?

No, seriously.


FTFY.
 
2013-01-26 02:21:49 PM  
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2013-01-26 02:29:32 PM  
There's no taint like mafia taint.
 
2013-01-26 02:30:33 PM  
Old and busted mafia hitmen new hottness mafia tree huggers
 
2013-01-26 02:33:04 PM  
According to estimates, the Mafia in Italy collects about a tenth of the agricultural subsidies paid by the EU. It's a small step from organized crime in agriculture and organized crime in renewable power, and the Mafia has taken it. Any place there is room for big money and corruption, you will find the bootstrapiest of the bootstrappy, namely organized crime.

One of professors when I was an undergrad was from a prominent European family and her brother was something big in the EU. She used to sneer at him and "those Italian mafiosi" he had to deal with in his employment.

This, not socialism, is the biggest fly in the ointment of doing things through big government and big bureaucracy. Although US and Canadian energy aren't directly run by mafiosi, they are run by people just as ruthless and greedy and every attempt to do something good risks becoming another form of "good honest graft" as well as the other kind.

Still, you have to try. The world doesn't save itself.

Well, it might. If the father of the Gaia Hypothesis, James Lovecraft, is right, Gaia is a big biatch dog and she will shake us off like fleas unless we turn to nuclear power quickly and cease to be a threat to her health and safety. He sounds a lot like a right-wing countryside-loving Englishman when he talks about energy, but he might be right about the need for an emergency building programme of nuclear power plants, just as people who claim that wind power is just a con game might be right. I can see the downside and some upside to all this. It's disappointing but there is no such thing as a free energy lunch and there seems to be no easy way, no panacea, no quick cheap fix to the basic problem of energy production, seeing as it is subject to the laws of thermodynamics.
 
2013-01-26 02:34:06 PM  
They're animals anyway.
So let them lose their souls.
 
2013-01-26 02:40:24 PM  

Amos Quito: What's the difference between the Mafia and Corporations?


No, seriously.


Corporations are too big to punish.
 
2013-01-26 02:45:28 PM  

whither_apophis: DeathByGeekSquad: They're also heavy into counterfeiting designer clothes.

/Gomorrah is an excellent book

So if Italians counterfeit Itslian designers then doesn't the buyer still get what they want?


Well, you are on to something.

A lot of "counterfeit" goods are made in the same factories by the same wage slaves (or just slaves) as make the name brands. There's a fair amount of over-production and slightly irregular goods involved, and these can find their way to market either as knock-offs or no-name produce.

After all, the difference between a $150 golf shirt and a $10 golf shirt is the label and until the label goes on, you've just got cheap textiles. It's the label which you are paying for. So maybe somebody makes a few extra golf shirts and has a few extra labels done up on the side.

A lot of fake goods are dangerous to the consumer (fake pharmaceuticals, for example, or fake auto parts that may fail because tin cans don't make good carburators under highway conditions) but a lot of "fake" goods are pretty good quality.

In the wine industry, for example, the extra produce of a large and high-quality vintage is often bottled under less famous and expensive brand names, so a cheap bottle from a good vintner might literally be as good as the pricey vintage stuff, seeing as it came from the same vat, barrel, and even bottling.

The market just wants to be free, just like the web.

You can get royally ripped off buying pseudo-fashion merchandise. The con artists will exploit your virtues and vices alike to sell you crap--possibly by pretending the crap is stolen, for example, thus making the low price of that Bolex watch seem plausible. But you can also get a really good bargain on the real thing, possibly minus the label or with a fake label.

After all, a shirt doesn't know if it's fashionable or not. And it certainly doesn't make a big difference in the style or fit if it has or does not have the right label or name on it.

Even the fashionable love to save money, and instead of paying full price you will find them snipping off labels and sewing them onto cheap but attractive knock-offs they bought to replace last season's cheap textiles.

Fashion is a con game to start with. It's a trick used by textile manufactuerers to sell you textiles you don't need every three months instead of once every thirty years which is how often you might need a new shirt if you bought real quality.
 
2013-01-26 02:49:57 PM  
Hey, Fark Trolls! I have shirts older than you are! Ha! Ha!

Scotch, too.

I may not be rich but I figure a good bottle of Scotch will not taste any worse than a cheap bottle when I finish it in ten or twenty years time. I may as well spend a bit more.

And the best place to buy quality shirts is the Sally Ann nearest a posh neighbourhood. A lot of expensive stuff doesn't make it through the first wash, but what does is good for years to come, so let some other guy pay the full price and then you can buy the remaining years of service in a big brand name shirt for a few bucks.

Too bad it doesn't work that way with trousers. Men wear the damn things out.
 
2013-01-26 02:59:25 PM  
What the fark do you think a billion dollar loan to out of business solar companies were?
 
2013-01-26 03:20:42 PM  

loonatic112358: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Amos Quito: What's the difference between the Mafia and Corporations?


No, seriously.

The mafia has an honor code?
The mafia is more willing to pay taxes if the feds leave them alone?
The mafia is honest about bribing politicians?

the mafia occasionally looks good when it's protrayed in movies and other media


I think it has something to do w/ body counts; mainly here (US) vs abroad.
 
2013-01-26 03:32:26 PM  
Just be sure to keep your windmill protection money going to the Don.

Don Quixote.
 
2013-01-26 03:48:09 PM  

Tax Boy: Just be sure to keep your windmill protection money going to the Don.

Don Quixote.


And be sure to file and pay all of your taxes

/Promptly

//If not Plausibly
 
2013-01-26 03:52:10 PM  
So, The Italian gov't pays a subsidy to the crime families to build the renewable energy plants, then seizes the completed and operational plants as part of a sting operation?
LOL, it's one organized crime syndicate vs. another in the biggest game of oneupmanship I've read about today.

Can't wait till they make this into a tv movie
Who will win: the Gov't or the Famiglias?
Who was behind the conspiracy that approved the Famiglias for the subsidies? Perhaps it goes all the way to the top?
Or maybe the crime syndicates have already taken over the government and this is a simple asset transfer.
Stay tuned through the commercial break to find out: just who was the Prime Minister's REAL father?
 
Skr
2013-01-26 04:08:48 PM  
Started reading a manga recently that basically keeps stating that there is no difference between gang/mafia, country, and corporation. It makes a great point.

/sun-ken rock, coincidentally the same initials as my own.
 
2013-01-26 04:25:19 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Amos Quito: What's the difference between the Mafia and Corporations?


No, seriously.

The mafia has an honor code?
The mafia is more willing to pay taxes if the feds leave them alone?
The mafia is honest about bribing politicians?


Among other criminal activities, isn't part of the Mafia activities tax evasion ?
 
2013-01-26 08:07:01 PM  

YakiManiac: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Amos Quito: What's the difference between the Mafia and Corporations?


No, seriously.

The mafia has an honor code?
The mafia is more willing to pay taxes if the feds leave them alone?
The mafia is honest about bribing politicians?

Among other criminal activities, isn't part of the Mafia activities tax evasion ?


Not necessarily. The mob wants to operate independently from the law, not always against it (like if a member was killed by a street thug, it's very likely to support the police and the courts to make sure the little f***er rots in prison/stays in prison long enough to have them killed) Depending on the situation, it's very reasonable to argue that paying taxes to the man with a clipboard is better for business than evading taxes and dealing with the man with the body armor and automatic weaponry.
 
2013-01-26 08:43:49 PM  
Renewable Energy = Renewable Income.

Seriously, think about it. No fuel costs. Just pay some dude to come out and check up on your solar/wind/hydro power plant every once in a blue moon and spend the rest of the time raking in the cash.
 
2013-01-26 09:13:21 PM  

Amos Quito: What's the difference between the Mafia and Corporations?


No, seriously.


------

A code of honor. Traditionally, the mafia will not target a man's wife or children.
 
2013-01-26 10:28:37 PM  
I'd much rather risk a 10% taxpayer graft on 360 Billion over 10 years for a renewable energy transformation, than having to pay a 50% profit margin on 1.43 Trillion over 10 years to corporations that are intent on maintaining a monopoly on mined resources and still have no renewable energy infrastructure.

Of course if we could skip the 10% loss per year due to corruption, bureacratic inefficiencies or just plain graft, that would be the best outcome, but as that's unlikely, it seems like the best of the outcomes possible.
 
2013-01-27 01:57:41 AM  
I remember a story out of spain where one solar array was producing power when it rained, was cloudy, snowed... at night.

Turns out the forced subsidy for solar power didn't include a "you're not allowed to buy diesel generators to generate power at night" clause. They had to shut down but couldn't be prosecuted.

They were forcing the power companies to pay so much for solar power that it was profitable to run lights on it at night... that's mega dumb.
The mafia made a couple hundred thousand on that.
 
2013-01-27 04:54:15 PM  
have you ever KILLED a man for carbon credits?

i have
 
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