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2013-01-26 12:24:27 PM  
Kill the lottery and impose taxes to make up for lost revenue. This would be a better idea, and shift the burden that hits the poor via lottery tickets to all instead, reducing per person cost.
 
2013-01-26 12:24:53 PM  

Mugato: count_chimpula: The mush brained liberalism in this thread is at epic levels. Seriously you guys can find better targets to defend than people who waste government handouts on lottery tickets.

And you conservatives are all about less government except when it has to do with women and poor people. And don't talk to me about the poor wasting "your" precious tax dollars. You all have no problem with the obscene amount of money the gov't wastes on defense spending and various subsidies on oil, corn and everything else. None of you said anything about corporate bailouts when Bush was doing it either. So knock it off with the self righteous indignation about a few people on welfare buying a lottery ticket breaking the bank, no one's buying it.


Some of us have problems with both.
 
2013-01-26 12:25:41 PM  

Pichu0102: Kill the lottery and impose taxes to make up for lost revenue. This would be a better idea, and shift the burden that hits the poor via lottery tickets to all instead, reducing per person cost.


Part of the reason for the NC lottery is revenues lost to the VA lottery and other nearby lotteries. You can't get that back with taxes - it has left the state.
 
2013-01-26 12:26:49 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: doczoidberg: Feral_and_Preposterous: This is why we are in such a hole economically. You out of money? THEN STOP BLOWING MORE OF IT ON STUPID CRAP!


According to my understanding of economics, we'd be in a much better place if people were blowing more money on stupid crap. But, then, I prefer reality to walking on the supply-side.
 
2013-01-26 12:27:55 PM  

ph0rk: I live in North Carolina, and extra hurdles for people on welfare to purchase lottery tickets is a good idea (taking any winnings is a stupid one). No idea how they'll implement it, and chances are they won't. The bill won't pass in its present state.


Still, nothing will be done about all the farking internet "sweepstakes" places around, which is a far worse affliction.


Actually the demographic for the "sweepstake" parlors is the same as people who play Bingo. Most of the players are 50 & older, lower-middle income, and not on public assistance.

Let's take a look at the two biggest groups who lobbying our state legislature to shut down the sweepstake parlors; it was the Bingo operator association (their customers are all playing sweepstakes and they want them back) and the company that runs our state lottery.

Shutting down sweepstake parlors in North Carolina was all about big business forcing out a start-up competitor - nothing more.
 
2013-01-26 12:28:05 PM  

EvilEgg: You can only do so much to protect people from themselves.  Everyone has the right to be mindbogglingly stupid.  The state should not both sponsor and moralize against "sins"


The problem isn't "sins". The problem is that they use their welfare money, taxpayer money, to buy lottery tickets and it doesn't circulate particularly well. A bunch of it goes into the pockets of an executive board running it, thus reducing the economic flow.

As a guy who plays lots of poker, I really am okay with this.

Besides, the fact that they're poor and buy lottery tickets shows that they have lousy money management skills. This would explain why most people who win multi-million dollar lotteries go broke a few years later. And then taxpayers have to support them again. I think that if these people spend less money on the lottery, they'll have more money for basic needs and require our support less. And it's not like the state's going to see a lot of financial gratitude if they win anyway.
 
2013-01-26 12:28:42 PM  

downstairs: fredklein: MmmmBacon: They are saying that the mythic "Welfare Queen" (which doesn't really exist, other than in the minds of the GOP)

Define "welfare queen", and for any definition you come up with, I bet someone can give a real-life example.

I don't think the point is that there are *no* welfare queens.


myth·i·cal (m th -k l) also myth·ic (- k). adj. 1. Of or existing in myth: the mythical unicorn. 2. Imaginary; fictitious.

If there are some, they are not "mythic". If they are "mythic", they don't really exist.

Pick one.
 
2013-01-26 12:30:26 PM  

stappawho: Mugato: count_chimpula: The mush brained liberalism in this thread is at epic levels. Seriously you guys can find better targets to defend than people who waste government handouts on lottery tickets.

And you conservatives are all about less government except when it has to do with women and poor people. And don't talk to me about the poor wasting "your" precious tax dollars. You all have no problem with the obscene amount of money the gov't wastes on defense spending and various subsidies on oil, corn and everything else. None of you said anything about corporate bailouts when Bush was doing it either. So knock it off with the self righteous indignation about a few people on welfare buying a lottery ticket breaking the bank, no one's buying it.

Some of us have problems with both.


Like I said in another post, that's the common conservative response. The issue is, if they have problems with both, they're not nearly as loud about the bigger government waste as they are about their perceived getting ripped off for a relative pittance by the welfare recipients.

/don't know you, not referring to you personally
 
2013-01-26 12:32:55 PM  
this guy sounds at odds with the lottery and is taking the limpwristed political path instead of opppsing it outright
 
2013-01-26 12:33:12 PM  

gblive: ph0rk: I live in North Carolina, and extra hurdles for people on welfare to purchase lottery tickets is a good idea (taking any winnings is a stupid one). No idea how they'll implement it, and chances are they won't. The bill won't pass in its present state.


Still, nothing will be done about all the farking internet "sweepstakes" places around, which is a far worse affliction.

Actually the demographic for the "sweepstake" parlors is the same as people who play Bingo. Most of the players are 50 & older, lower-middle income, and not on public assistance.

Let's take a look at the two biggest groups who lobbying our state legislature to shut down the sweepstake parlors; it was the Bingo operator association (their customers are all playing sweepstakes and they want them back) and the company that runs our state lottery.

Shutting down sweepstake parlors in North Carolina was all about big business forcing out a start-up competitor - nothing more.


Ironically the primary source of all the 'government regulations' that farktards bleat on about is exactly this. Existing companies lobby government to set up regulations that create barriers to entry.
 
2013-01-26 12:33:19 PM  

Mugato: The issue is, if they have problems with both, they're not nearly as loud about the bigger government waste as they are about their perceived getting ripped off for a relative pittance by the welfare recipients.


This thread is about welfare recipients. Of course people are going to discuss... welfare recipients... more than other topics. Duh. You want to discuss "bigger government waste", go to an appropriate thread.
 
2013-01-26 12:34:30 PM  

gblive: As a resident of North Carolina, I am sick and tired of seeing people pay for their groceries with an EBT card (which are normally traded for drugs & alcohol within 10 minutes of leaving the store) and then paying for lottery tickets with cash in the same transaction. This law would put an end to this nonsense.


How do you even know how they're paying for it? It's a plastic card, so unless you peer very closely at the monitor to see how it's being being paid, it's not possible for you to discern the method of payment.
 
2013-01-26 12:36:10 PM  

space1999: MmmmBacon: They are saying that the mythic "Welfare Queen" (which doesn't really exist, other than in the minds of the GOP)

Sorry, bud, but there are quite a few welfare queens. Sure, they're in the minority, but saying that they don't exist is naive. I have personal experience with them.


I overheard a hilarious conversation yesterday while waiting for and on an elevator, woman was on the phone with a friend, it was something like;

"I know! My sister wants another baby."

"She already got 3, and she gets $300 a month for each one, thats an extra six---- i mean $900 a month."

"And that biatch works too."

"shiat, almost makes me want to vote republican."
 
2013-01-26 12:38:11 PM  
Currently, my household income has dropped below the poverty line. I am still not sure exactly how it happened, but suddenly my mailbox is full of info about programs for low income assistance. We still have our home and 2 cars, but since the cars are so old, and the mortgage payment is relatively low, the formula says we should rush right down to the county office and get not only a new cell phone for free, but reduced payments on utilities, high speed internet for $10 a month, food stamps of $295 per month, TANF, and Section 8 housing modification with my lender. Everyone immediately qualifies for Medicaid and free school meals, and the only downside is we have to allow the government to know routing information for all bank accounts. Our retirement accounts are exempted, and space is available for anyone in the house to enroll in vocational school or college, free of charge.

I have no idea how much all this largesse is worth, but I can see how someone has extra funds to spend on smokes, hair and nail extensions, rims, and lottery tickets. My peace of mind is not for sale, however. I'll just keep on scrambling for work.
 
2013-01-26 12:39:58 PM  

Via Infinito: I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.


THIS!

Why should they prevent the people who need the winnings the most from playing?
 
2013-01-26 12:40:58 PM  

ph0rk: Pichu0102: Kill the lottery and impose taxes to make up for lost revenue. This would be a better idea, and shift the burden that hits the poor via lottery tickets to all instead, reducing per person cost.

Part of the reason for the NC lottery is revenues lost to the VA lottery and other nearby lotteries. You can't get that back with taxes - it has left the state.


I don't know how to deal with that then. However, I'm not sure keeping a local lottery open is the best alternative. After all, it hits the poor worse than it does higher classes, and some might not travel out of state to gamble.
 
2013-01-26 12:42:46 PM  
It is not their playing the lottery we object to it is whose money they are using to play it.

If a "poor" person on welfare has the cash available to gamble it would seem to indicate that perhaps he/she does not need as much welfare from those of us paying for it.

On a related note;

$69 million in California welfare money drawn out of state Las Vegas tops the list with $11.8 million spent at casinos or taken from ATMs, but transactions in Hawaii, Miami, Guam and elsewhere also raise questions.


New York: Welfare $$ Used at Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores
 
2013-01-26 12:44:08 PM  

chewd: Solution: get rid of the lottery.

Why the fark is the govt playing the business of running a numbers racket anyway?


Because it was tired of seeing all the profits from the numbers going to the Syndicate.
 
2013-01-26 12:44:31 PM  

Huggermugger: gblive: As a resident of North Carolina, I am sick and tired of seeing people pay for their groceries with an EBT card (which are normally traded for drugs & alcohol within 10 minutes of leaving the store) and then paying for lottery tickets with cash in the same transaction. This law would put an end to this nonsense.

How do you even know how they're paying for it? It's a plastic card, so unless you peer very closely at the monitor to see how it's being being paid, it's not possible for you to discern the method of payment.


EBT cards down here look nothing like credit cards in terms of design.  Yes, same shape and size... but its very obvious.  They're blue with a huge "Louisiana EBT" or whatever logo.

Not that I care... just sayin'

Also, for some reason, it takes like 10 friggin' swipes to get the things to go through.
 
2013-01-26 12:46:35 PM  

pearls before swine: Well we all know that poor people aren't really. . . people, so we should be able to take away their rights with impunity.


That's a bit harsh. Why not agree on a compromise?

For instance, we could reach a compromise that a poor person is 3/5 of a person.
 
2013-01-26 12:46:38 PM  

Pichu0102: ph0rk: Pichu0102: Kill the lottery and impose taxes to make up for lost revenue. This would be a better idea, and shift the burden that hits the poor via lottery tickets to all instead, reducing per person cost.

Part of the reason for the NC lottery is revenues lost to the VA lottery and other nearby lotteries. You can't get that back with taxes - it has left the state.

I don't know how to deal with that then. However, I'm not sure keeping a local lottery open is the best alternative. After all, it hits the poor worse than it does higher classes, and some might not travel out of state to gamble.


there is no other way to deal with it. it is the same phenomenon as when a dry county sees all the local alcohol dollars go to neighboring counties.
 
2013-01-26 12:47:33 PM  

Huggermugger: gblive: As a resident of North Carolina, I am sick and tired of seeing people pay for their groceries with an EBT card (which are normally traded for drugs & alcohol within 10 minutes of leaving the store) and then paying for lottery tickets with cash in the same transaction. This law would put an end to this nonsense.

How do you even know how they're paying for it? It's a plastic card, so unless you peer very closely at the monitor to see how it's being being paid, it's not possible for you to discern the method of payment.


Well EBT cards are (atleast in my state) bright yellow and have the letters "EBT" printed very largely across the card. That may be how this person can tell if they're using those cards to pay for things. It's still nosy as fark though.

I honestly take more issue with the claim that the groceries are usually traded for drugs or alcohol upon leaving the store. Seriously, as someone who has had to use SNAP in the past, go take a long walk off a short pier. Not all of us are the drug using degenerates you imagine we are.
 
2013-01-26 12:47:44 PM  

dopekitty74: Via Infinito: I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.

THIS!

Why should they prevent the people who need the winnings the most from playing?


Because they are essentially playing with other people's (the tax payer's) money.
 
2013-01-26 12:49:29 PM  

gblive: ph0rk: I live in North Carolina, and extra hurdles for people on welfare to purchase lottery tickets is a good idea (taking any winnings is a stupid one). No idea how they'll implement it, and chances are they won't. The bill won't pass in its present state.


Still, nothing will be done about all the farking internet "sweepstakes" places around, which is a far worse affliction.

Actually the demographic for the "sweepstake" parlors is the same as people who play Bingo. Most of the players are 50 & older, lower-middle income, and not on public assistance.

Let's take a look at the two biggest groups who lobbying our state legislature to shut down the sweepstake parlors; it was the Bingo operator association (their customers are all playing sweepstakes and they want them back) and the company that runs our state lottery.

Shutting down sweepstake parlors in North Carolina was all about big business forcing out a start-up competitor - nothing more.


I have seen more than one sweepstakes parlor next door to a payday loan place, so I am not sure I buy that. regardless, sweepstakes aren't going anywhere because there is no reason they should - same reason the lotto isn't going anywhere. people want to throw money away.
 
2013-01-26 12:51:10 PM  

MmmmBacon: They are saying that the mythic "Welfare Queen" (which doesn't really exist, other than in the minds of the GOP)


So that lady in Detroit who won the lotto and then demanded her food stamps. Thats not being a welfare queen?

RTOGUY: Living on social assistance is tough it isn't a smooth ride.


If you think living on public assistance sucks, you should try paying for your own healthcare, food, shelter, utilities and comforts as well as taxes which fund all of the previous for someone else. The next time I hear "Living on public assistance is tough" i am going to scream. It is even harder to live within ones own means and subsidize others.
 
2013-01-26 12:51:35 PM  

hasty ambush: dopekitty74: Via Infinito: I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.

THIS!

Why should they prevent the people who need the winnings the most from playing?

Because they are essentially playing with other people's (the tax payer's) money.


Says who? There's a maximum wage cap for people that receive SNAP and TANF. This means that a percentage of them do indeed have jobs. How do you know that the lotto tickets are bought with taxpayer money and not their own earnings?
 
2013-01-26 12:52:06 PM  
Why? Those are precisely the stupid people that keep the Lotto alive.
 
2013-01-26 12:57:01 PM  

DearZelda: hasty ambush: dopekitty74: Via Infinito: I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.

THIS!

Why should they prevent the people who need the winnings the most from playing?

Because they are essentially playing with other people's (the tax payer's) money.

Says who? There's a maximum wage cap for people that receive SNAP and TANF. This means that a percentage of them do indeed have jobs. How do you know that the lotto tickets are bought with taxpayer money and not their own earnings?


I think the point is that if you have enough money to provide your necessities and still play the lottery, you're receiving too much subsidization from taxpayers. That's not limited to the lottery either, but it's the topic at hand here.
 
2013-01-26 12:57:21 PM  

pearls before swine: way south: Howie Spankowitz: Demonize the poor.  Ignore the real problems that underlie poverty.  Lather.  Rinse.  Repeat.

One of the things that leads to poverty is a willing acceptance of it. People sink into bad habits rather than making the changes needed to get out of the slums and into a more productive way of life.

Welfare should be viewed as a leg up or a loan more than just another entitlement. Putting a few rules on these folks, so we get the most effect from the money, is not unreasonable.

/No drugs, no smoking, no drinking, no gambling, no whores, no frivolities.
/get your ass to job training, counseling, therapy or whatever it takes to straighten you out.
/want to play the lotto? Do it on your own dime or pay Uncle Sam the winnings.

WTF? Really? You think people are poor because they're not trying? If they all just got "straightened out" that somehow tens of millions of good jobs would suddenly materialize for them to take?

Of course, there are people who fail because they're messed up, but to imply that huge swaths of the population are poor because of bad habits is, frankly, disgusting.


Beggars don't get extra coddling just because there's lots of them around.

Do the poor need help or not?
I mean this is why we give them money, and I don't have a problem with that, but if I am helping you it's with the understanding that this is going somewhere.
I want you to get back on your feet and resolving that means doing something productive.
Get a new skill, get cured, or get out of dodge to a less farked community.

We've got to move past this idea that the poor are hostages that can't be helped.
They want a better life, welfare should be a path to making that happen.
 
2013-01-26 12:58:46 PM  

Yes please: I think the point is that if you have enough money to provide your necessities and still play the lottery, you're receiving too much subsidization from taxpayers. That's not limited to the lottery either, but it's the topic at hand here.


I don't think it is written anywhere that being on public assistance means you may no longer spend a portion of your income on entertainment. The lottery is no different than cable tv or a book.

Maybe you think it should be that way, but it isn't yet.
 
2013-01-26 01:00:23 PM  

way south: Do the poor need help or not?
I mean this is why we give them money, and I don't have a problem with that, but if I am helping you it's with the understanding that this is going somewhere.
I want you to get back on your feet and resolving that means doing something productive.
Get a new skill, get cured, or get out of dodge to a less farked community.

We've got to move past this idea that the poor are hostages that can't be helped.
They want a better life, welfare should be a path to making that happen


The awesome thing about private charity is that it usually comes with "strings attached" which requires those who take it to contribute back to the organization offering help, help others, or demonstrably show that they are using the benefits as a way of getting on their feet.

A church will take anyone in, clothe them, feed them and keep them warm for the night..but by the 3rd day, the priest or deacon will probably hand them a broom or a paintbrush.
 
2013-01-26 01:02:42 PM  

StrangeQ: cmunic8r99: Just make it so winning a prize over a certain amount requires them to pay a significant percentage of the winnings to the state as reimbursement for the win

Significant like the 1/3 to even 1/2 that is paid in taxes by every lottery winner, ever? How much more would you have them pay?


As someone who had to use welfare to survive when my kids were little, I'd be on board with paying back whatever they paid out to me, provided my prize was large enough to do that and still be able to live.
 
2013-01-26 01:04:20 PM  

rnatalie: And why on earth is this story slugged under LGBT News?


Because the proposal is super gay.
 
2013-01-26 01:04:51 PM  

ph0rk: The lottery is no different than cable tv or a book.


What a profoundly stupid remark.

To you, maybe. But all it takes is walking into a corner store in a poor part of town to see that there are people- and a lot of them- who are using the lottery not as a form of entertainment, but with a real expectation that someday it will actually come through for them. The lottery is very, very different from cable TV or a book.

\Buy my books by the pound anyway.
\\Not really, but a lot of used bookstores come close.
 
2013-01-26 01:05:39 PM  
I assume that Fox News has just changed the Government of North Carolina from (R) to (D) in its propaganda feed.

I mean, they no doubt mean well, but this kind of Nanny Statism stands in the way of two of the most important and basic Republican values:  screwing poor people and funding big government without taxation on rich people.

The stupid tax is custom made for the stupid party.

It allows the poor and the Hopey, Changey to waste their money on futile hope without any cost to those who look at a $20 million pot and say and "meh". Not enough to make it worthwhile to visit a convenience store.

Personally, I don't get out of bed for a 649 lottery pot that is less than $28 million. It's just stupid. So a stupid tax is of great personal benefit to me, even though I am not a One Percenter. But this is the wrong way to fix the Stupid Problem.

The right way is to set Republicans on fire, using a pile of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter books as fuel. There's a reason why Republicans hate the 911 firemen. They associate firemen with book-burning, and book-burning with witch hunts that can so easily be turned into rich hunts in the hands of the needy-greedy.
 
2013-01-26 01:05:39 PM  

Huggermugger: gblive: As a resident of North Carolina, I am sick and tired of seeing people pay for their groceries with an EBT card (which are normally traded for drugs & alcohol within 10 minutes of leaving the store) and then paying for lottery tickets with cash in the same transaction. This law would put an end to this nonsense.

How do you even know how they're paying for it? It's a plastic card, so unless you peer very closely at the monitor to see how it's being being paid, it's not possible for you to discern the method of payment.


Because nearly each & every one at the checkout counter tries to put items on their EBT card that are not allowed such (such as beer) and the clerk has to tell them over & over again "That's not allowed on your EBT card".

There is also the requirement that the EBT card must be presented first before ringing up the items; not at the end of the transaction like a credit or debit card.
 
2013-01-26 01:06:25 PM  
The lottery isn't a tax on the poor.  It is a tax on those who are poor at math.
 
2013-01-26 01:08:51 PM  

DearZelda: hasty ambush: dopekitty74: Via Infinito: I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.

THIS!

Why should they prevent the people who need the winnings the most from playing?

Because they are essentially playing with other people's (the tax payer's) money.

Says who? There's a maximum wage cap for people that receive SNAP and TANF. This means that a percentage of them do indeed have jobs. How do you know that the lotto tickets are bought with taxpayer money and not their own earnings?


If they have enough spare cash for lottery tickets then they don't need SNAP and TANF, eh?
 
2013-01-26 01:12:22 PM  

cptjeff: As for wringing out hope and whatever other crap, we already govern stuff like food stamp money in a lot of ways. Can't spend it on alcohol, for instance. The same argument could apply, but most everybody seems to be okay with that. We're giving people money for basic necessity. If they save a little money on the side, I'm perfectly fine with them spending their hard earned cash on whatever they like. But I'd really prefer that they not throw the money they get from taxpayers in the garbage, for both their good and for collective society's vis a vis the government's budget.


dilbert.com
 
2013-01-26 01:12:30 PM  

ph0rk: Yes please: I think the point is that if you have enough money to provide your necessities and still play the lottery, you're receiving too much subsidization from taxpayers. That's not limited to the lottery either, but it's the topic at hand here.

I don't think it is written anywhere that being on public assistance means you may no longer spend a portion of your income on entertainment. The lottery is no different than cable tv or a book.

Maybe you think it should be that way, but it isn't yet.


So if the people buying lottery tickets don't have cable TV or books, and this is the substitute for those things, you might have a point. I think it's far more likely that they already have cable TV, and books, and whatever else, and they still have enough to buy lottery tickets.
 
2013-01-26 01:12:33 PM  

gblive: DearZelda: hasty ambush: dopekitty74: Via Infinito: I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.

THIS!

Why should they prevent the people who need the winnings the most from playing?

Because they are essentially playing with other people's (the tax payer's) money.

Says who? There's a maximum wage cap for people that receive SNAP and TANF. This means that a percentage of them do indeed have jobs. How do you know that the lotto tickets are bought with taxpayer money and not their own earnings?

If they have enough spare cash for lottery tickets then they don't need SNAP and TANF, eh?


Yeah because buying a random lottery ticket that costs less than $20 is totally the same as being able to afford all your food/utilities/rent/gas money/household expenses for that month on your work wages. *eyeroll*
 
2013-01-26 01:13:27 PM  

gblive: Huggermugger: gblive: As a resident of North Carolina, I am sick and tired of seeing people pay for their groceries with an EBT card (which are normally traded for drugs & alcohol within 10 minutes of leaving the store) and then paying for lottery tickets with cash in the same transaction. This law would put an end to this nonsense.

How do you even know how they're paying for it? It's a plastic card, so unless you peer very closely at the monitor to see how it's being being paid, it's not possible for you to discern the method of payment.

Because nearly each & every one at the checkout counter tries to put items on their EBT card that are not allowed such (such as beer) and the clerk has to tell them over & over again "That's not allowed on your EBT card".

There is also the requirement that the EBT card must be presented first before ringing up the items; not at the end of the transaction like a credit or debit card.


Not to mention the cards are brightly colored with the state EBT logo in huge print.
 
2013-01-26 01:14:34 PM  

DearZelda: hasty ambush: dopekitty74: Via Infinito: I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.

THIS!

Why should they prevent the people who need the winnings the most from playing?

Because they are essentially playing with other people's (the tax payer's) money.

Says who? There's a maximum wage cap for people that receive SNAP and TANF. This means that a percentage of them do indeed have jobs. How do you know that the lotto tickets are bought with taxpayer money and not their own earnings?


Wrong It is like saying no tax dollars are used for abortion. (This is not a pro or con argument on abortion but an example of funding) Lets say the Government gives X amount of dollars. to Planned Parenthood but says you cannot use it for abortions. PP says fine and puts that X amount in their non-abortion accounts (Rent , utilities, insurance condoms etc) and then takes money out of those accounts (but not the Federal money, this is separate) and transfers it over to their abortion funding account. But of course no tax payer dollars are used -right? The federal funds may be held in an entirely separate federal funding account from which no money for abortions can be drawn but federal money just freed up other funds that can be used for abortions instead of paying the rent, insurance , condoms etc.

Joe Welfare recipient gets x amount in welfare (our) money which frees up "his" money to gamble.

If he has spare money to gamble he does not need our money or at least as much of it.

Standard rule is if you do not want people/government controlling your life don't take their money. It is not unreasonable for them to want to exercise control over how it is spent.
 
2013-01-26 01:18:01 PM  

MmmmBacon: Via Infinito: MmmmBacon: Via Infinito: I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.

It probably doesn't stop them from playing, but prevents them from winning. So when these desperate Welfare recipients buy a lottery ticket and lose, that's just more money in the system. But if they lose? "Sorry, you're on welfare, therefore you are not eligible for this prize". I doubt it would go back into the pool for the next week, though... Maybe their winnings will go to fund some "state project", instead?

But that's even crappier, isn't it? Letting them spending that dollar they found under the cushions on a lottery ticket, but not letting them have the prize when they win? I don't think lottery winners should be allowed to STAY on welfare when they win, but making people ineligible for the prize because they've been dealt a seriously shiatty hand at life just seems incredibly mean-spirited. I'm not sure what kind of point they're trying to make here.

They are saying that the mythic "Welfare Queen" (which doesn't really exist, other than in the minds of the GOP) shouldn't get to spend her ill-gotten stipend on a chance at getting rich like they are. She and her 12 illegitimate children might lower the values of the GOP's mansions, should WQ move into their neighborhood.

It is racism and classism, with a hint of "playing to the zealots in our base".


Wanna bet? I know a chick that has five kids with five different fathers on welfare all or at least four of the fathers have or are currently in prison she comes in bragging about her huge stack of WIC checks and the $9000 or so tax return.......
 
2013-01-26 01:18:14 PM  

fredklein: Mugato: The issue is, if they have problems with both, they're not nearly as loud about the bigger government waste as they are about their perceived getting ripped off for a relative pittance by the welfare recipients.

This thread is about welfare recipients. Of course people are going to discuss... welfare recipients... more than other topics. Duh. You want to discuss "bigger government waste", go to an appropriate thread.


Kind of the point.
 
2013-01-26 01:18:27 PM  

DearZelda: gblive: DearZelda: hasty ambush: dopekitty74: Via Infinito: I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.

THIS!

Why should they prevent the people who need the winnings the most from playing?

Because they are essentially playing with other people's (the tax payer's) money.

Says who? There's a maximum wage cap for people that receive SNAP and TANF. This means that a percentage of them do indeed have jobs. How do you know that the lotto tickets are bought with taxpayer money and not their own earnings?

If they have enough spare cash for lottery tickets then they don't need SNAP and TANF, eh?

Yeah because buying a random lottery ticket that costs less than $20 is totally the same as being able to afford all your food/utilities/rent/gas money/household expenses for that month on your work wages. *eyeroll*


So the taxpayers (meaning me) should pay for your food/utilities/rent/gas money/household expenses so you can buy lottery tickets. How about reducing your benefits by 20 bucks instead of playing the lottery for your entertainment.
 
2013-01-26 01:21:40 PM  

nunpunter: Revek: EvilEgg: You can only do so much to protect people from themselves.  Everyone has the right to be mindbogglingly stupid.  The state should not both sponsor and moralize against "sins"

You can stop them from using public money to pay for their vice.

Are people really complaining about poor people taking money from the government, then immediately giving it back to the government? You people are idiots.


So, you think that for every dollar that goes toward a lottery ticket goes back into government... typically claimed to be for education?

Wow.

So... after paying out jackpots, assorted prizes, printing costs, commissions, overhead, salaries etc...

you think that 100% of that dollar goes back into the government.

Again... Wow. Maybe you could teach me how to make a dollar, minus expenses, equal a dollar.

/yeah... we're the idiots.
 
2013-01-26 01:28:37 PM  

zamboni: nunpunter: Revek: EvilEgg: You can only do so much to protect people from themselves.  Everyone has the right to be mindbogglingly stupid.  The state should not both sponsor and moralize against "sins"

You can stop them from using public money to pay for their vice.

Are people really complaining about poor people taking money from the government, then immediately giving it back to the government? You people are idiots.

So, you think that for every dollar that goes toward a lottery ticket goes back into government... typically claimed to be for education?

Wow.

So... after paying out jackpots, assorted prizes, printing costs, commissions, overhead, salaries etc...

you think that 100% of that dollar goes back into the government.

Again... Wow. Maybe you could teach me how to make a dollar, minus expenses, equal a dollar.

/yeah... we're the idiots.


29% of the money collected in the North Carolina Lottery goes to education.

The North Carolina Lottery proceeds were supposed to be used to supplement the state money for education, instead the legislature has reduced to portion of the general fund dedicated to education each year by the amount of the lottery income. This has produced a situation in North Carolina where the overall funding of education has not increased due to the "Education Lottery".
 
2013-01-26 01:29:25 PM  

cptjeff: ph0rk: The lottery is no different than cable tv or a book.

What a profoundly stupid remark.

To you, maybe. But all it takes is walking into a corner store in a poor part of town to see that there are people- and a lot of them- who are using the lottery not as a form of entertainment, but with a real expectation that someday it will actually come through for them. The lottery is very, very different from cable TV or a book.

\Buy my books by the pound anyway.
\\Not really, but a lot of used bookstores come close.


That's the part that entertains.

Yes please: So if the people buying lottery tickets don't have cable TV or books, and this is the substitute for those things, you might have a point. I think it's far more likely that they already have cable TV, and books, and whatever else, and they still have enough to buy lottery tickets.


I'm not sure that taking total control of their lives (and removing all choices) is the right way to go. I'm not saying that spending their money on the lottery is the wisest thing in the long run, I think it clearly isn't. However, I don't think we as a nation are ready for full suspension of freedom to spend as they wish for people who are on economic assistance.
 
2013-01-26 01:31:28 PM  
Now if only we can ban them parasitic churches from fleecing the poor.
 
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