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2013-01-26 07:44:09 AM
You can only do so much to protect people from themselves.  Everyone has the right to be mindbogglingly stupid.  The state should not both sponsor and moralize against "sins"
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 07:56:08 AM
Some states already prohibit welfare recipients from playing the lottery.  Ending cash-equivalent or cash-convertible welfare would make the laws mostly unnecessary.
 
2013-01-26 08:07:46 AM
I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.
 
2013-01-26 08:11:01 AM

Via Infinito: I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.


It probably doesn't stop them from playing, but prevents them from winning. So when these desperate Welfare recipients buy a lottery ticket and lose, that's just more money in the system. But if they lose? "Sorry, you're on welfare, therefore you are not eligible for this prize". I doubt it would go back into the pool for the next week, though... Maybe their winnings will go to fund some "state project", instead?
 
2013-01-26 08:22:58 AM

MmmmBacon: Via Infinito: I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.

It probably doesn't stop them from playing, but prevents them from winning. So when these desperate Welfare recipients buy a lottery ticket and lose, that's just more money in the system. But if they lose? "Sorry, you're on welfare, therefore you are not eligible for this prize". I doubt it would go back into the pool for the next week, though... Maybe their winnings will go to fund some "state project", instead?


But that's even crappier, isn't it? Letting them spending that dollar they found under the cushions on a lottery ticket, but not letting them have the prize when they win? I don't think lottery winners should be allowed to STAY on welfare when they win, but making people ineligible for the prize because they've been dealt a seriously shiatty hand at life just seems incredibly mean-spirited. I'm not sure what kind of point they're trying to make here.
 
2013-01-26 08:29:32 AM

EvilEgg: You can only do so much to protect people from themselves.  Everyone has the right to be mindbogglingly stupid.  The state should not both sponsor and moralize against "sins"


You can stop them from using public money to pay for their vice.
 
2013-01-26 08:31:03 AM

Via Infinito: I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.


Let them play.  They just can't win.  Of course all they really have to do is find someone of age who can cash them in for them.
 
2013-01-26 08:32:44 AM

Via Infinito: MmmmBacon: Via Infinito: I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.

It probably doesn't stop them from playing, but prevents them from winning. So when these desperate Welfare recipients buy a lottery ticket and lose, that's just more money in the system. But if they lose? "Sorry, you're on welfare, therefore you are not eligible for this prize". I doubt it would go back into the pool for the next week, though... Maybe their winnings will go to fund some "state project", instead?

But that's even crappier, isn't it? Letting them spending that dollar they found under the cushions on a lottery ticket, but not letting them have the prize when they win? I don't think lottery winners should be allowed to STAY on welfare when they win, but making people ineligible for the prize because they've been dealt a seriously shiatty hand at life just seems incredibly mean-spirited. I'm not sure what kind of point they're trying to make here.


They are saying that the mythic "Welfare Queen" (which doesn't really exist, other than in the minds of the GOP) shouldn't get to spend her ill-gotten stipend on a chance at getting rich like they are. She and her 12 illegitimate children might lower the values of the GOP's mansions, should WQ move into their neighborhood.

It is racism and classism, with a hint of "playing to the zealots in our base".
 
2013-01-26 08:42:06 AM

Via Infinito: I'm not sure what kind of point they're trying to make here.


The point they're trying to make is that you don't even have enough money to support yourself. STOP GAMBLING!
 
2013-01-26 08:57:02 AM
Given that we can't seem to stop people from using public funds to buy things that are already illegal, how exactly to they propose to enforce this?

All this will accomplish is create another black market for Tide and reasonably legal people to claim payouts (and a percentage).
 
2013-01-26 09:03:42 AM

MmmmBacon: Via Infinito: I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.

It probably doesn't stop them from playing, but prevents them from winning. So when these desperate Welfare recipients buy a lottery ticket and lose, that's just more money in the system. But if they lose? "Sorry, you're on welfare, therefore you are not eligible for this prize". I doubt it would go back into the pool for the next week, though... Maybe their winnings will go to fund some "state project", instead?


Why not let them win? Just make it so winning a prize over a certain amount requires them to pay a significant percentage of the winnings to the state as reimbursement for the win, up to the total amount of assistance given. For larger prizes that would cause the winner to run afoul of need-based assistance income limits in the short term, they could even reduce future payments according to the remainder of their winnings. In NC, any prize over $600 has to be claimed at the lottery headquarters or by mail ($100k+ prizes claimed only at HQ). They could lower $600 limit to something like $250 to enable enforcement.
 
2013-01-26 09:04:12 AM
Let's ban them from high paying  jobs too. Why should they get all the good deals.

mr_a: Given that we can't seem to stop people from using public funds to buy things that are already illegal, how exactly to they propose to enforce this?


They'll create a new department staffed with a couple of dozen inspectors, vehicle fleets  etc. and have them travel around surveilling those damned poor people. It will save tons  of money.
 
2013-01-26 09:05:15 AM
Wouldn't this eliminate just about all of the lottery playing crowd?
 
2013-01-26 09:10:50 AM
Corporations that receive govt money should not be allow to invest in stocks. Govt money shouldn't be used for gambling right?
 
2013-01-26 09:13:48 AM

johnryan51: Corporations that receive govt money should not be allow to invest in stocks. Govt money shouldn't be used for gambling right?


It isn't gambling when rich people do it.
 
2013-01-26 09:14:36 AM
Keep the peasants fighting amongst themselves over pennies.
 
2013-01-26 09:22:39 AM
How much govt money has Goldman Sachs received? No gambling there. Nope nothing. Look over there suckers.
 
2013-01-26 09:22:47 AM
Wouldn't that lower the pot since the poor are disproportionately represented in those who buy these tickets?  (At least that is the stereotype.)
 
2013-01-26 09:23:05 AM

MmmmBacon: Via Infinito: MmmmBacon: Via Infinito: I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.

It probably doesn't stop them from playing, but prevents them from winning. So when these desperate Welfare recipients buy a lottery ticket and lose, that's just more money in the system. But if they lose? "Sorry, you're on welfare, therefore you are not eligible for this prize". I doubt it would go back into the pool for the next week, though... Maybe their winnings will go to fund some "state project", instead?

But that's even crappier, isn't it? Letting them spending that dollar they found under the cushions on a lottery ticket, but not letting them have the prize when they win? I don't think lottery winners should be allowed to STAY on welfare when they win, but making people ineligible for the prize because they've been dealt a seriously shiatty hand at life just seems incredibly mean-spirited. I'm not sure what kind of point they're trying to make here.

They are saying that the mythic "Welfare Queen" (which doesn't really exist, other than in the minds of the GOP) shouldn't get to spend her ill-gotten stipend on a chance at getting rich like they are. She and her 12 illegitimate children might lower the values of the GOP's mansions, should WQ move into their neighborhood.

It is racism and classism, with a hint of "playing to the zealots in our base".


I don't agree with a law like this, but your analysis of the motive seems more mean-spirited than your attributions to the lawmaker suggesting this law.

I don't know what the right answer here is, but I can at least see this guys point: we are giving people tax dollars so that they can live with some modicum of dignity and security; perhaps we shouldn't turn a blind eye when they use that money so irresponsibly.
 
2013-01-26 09:30:53 AM
The recipients of welfare aren't being forced to take the money. As such, it is not unreasonable that the state put a few minor stipulations on how the welfare is used. It won't be used for booze, strippers, and legal prostitution in Nevada. What's wrong with that? It's not a partisan, race or class issue.
 
2013-01-26 09:35:23 AM
I always turn to a gay Wisconsin newspaper for my North Carolina lottery news.
 
2013-01-26 09:39:47 AM
 Ah, dog-whislting at it's finest. Well, perhaps more along the lines of bullhorn. Are they allowed to have cheap internet to communicate assess the modern job market, or will that be deemed wasteful as well? A refrigerator? Or do those count as items welfare or SNAP recipients could be using to build the first prototype flying car that will lift them from this misery?

 Is poor Sally, who received a ton of grants for college despite there being no guarantee of it helping her also have such restrictions imposed? "Just look at her. Just look at her eating that pizza with MY tax dollarstm.Why isn't she eating Ramen for the 42nd time in a row?" Will we hear that? Of course not.

 This is old-fashioned grandstanding, designed only to light a fire under some rednceks' asses as they see a true Freedom Fighter Rallying for truth.

"Oh sh*t, Bubba, ain't we on food stamps?"
 
2013-01-26 09:45:19 AM
Demonize the poor.  Ignore the real problems that underlie poverty.  Lather.  Rinse.  Repeat.
 
2013-01-26 09:47:35 AM

dickfreckle:  Ah, dog-whislting at it's finest. Well, perhaps more along the lines of bullhorn. Are they allowed to have cheap internet to communicate assess the modern job market, or will that be deemed wasteful as well? A refrigerator? Or do those count as items welfare or SNAP recipients could be using to build the first prototype flying car that will lift them from this misery?

 Is poor Sally, who received a ton of grants for college despite there being no guarantee of it helping her also have such restrictions imposed? "Just look at her. Just look at her eating that pizza with MY tax dollarstm.Why isn't she eating Ramen for the 42nd time in a row?" Will we hear that? Of course not.

 This is old-fashioned grandstanding, designed only to light a fire under some rednceks' asses as they see a true Freedom Fighter Rallying for truth.

"Oh sh*t, Bubba, ain't we on food stamps?"


You call it "grandstanding", and maybe it is.. I don't know this guy's motives, but I am willing to bet neither do you. Maybe he is looking for solutions to what is, without argument (IMO) a waste of taxpayer dollars. At the very least, assuming he is the hate-mongerer you would have him be, then he is communicating with civility and tact. It's a page you may want to steal from his book.
 
2013-01-26 10:07:38 AM

Revek: EvilEgg: You can only do so much to protect people from themselves.  Everyone has the right to be mindbogglingly stupid.  The state should not both sponsor and moralize against "sins"

You can stop them from using public money to pay for their vice.


What vice? A state-sponsored method of funding education is a vice?
 
2013-01-26 10:07:54 AM

Lucky LaRue: dickfreckle:  Ah, dog-whislting at it's finest. Well, perhaps more along the lines of bullhorn. Are they allowed to have cheap internet to communicate assess the modern job market, or will that be deemed wasteful as well? A refrigerator? Or do those count as items welfare or SNAP recipients could be using to build the first prototype flying car that will lift them from this misery?

 Is poor Sally, who received a ton of grants for college despite there being no guarantee of it helping her also have such restrictions imposed? "Just look at her. Just look at her eating that pizza with MY tax dollarstm.Why isn't she eating Ramen for the 42nd time in a row?" Will we hear that? Of course not.

 This is old-fashioned grandstanding, designed only to light a fire under some rednceks' asses as they see a true Freedom Fighter Rallying for truth.

"Oh sh*t, Bubba, ain't we on food stamps?"

You call it "grandstanding", and maybe it is.. I don't know this guy's motives, but I am willing to bet neither do you. Maybe he is looking for solutions to what is, without argument (IMO) a waste of taxpayer dollars. At the very least, assuming he is the hate-mongerer you would have him be, then he is communicating with civility and tact. It's a page you may want to steal from his book.


Bullshiat.
 
2013-01-26 10:08:02 AM
I bet if they do win the lottery they find a job within 2 minutes in order to claim the ticket.
 
2013-01-26 10:08:56 AM

EvilEgg: You can only do so much to protect people from themselves.  Everyone has the right to be mindbogglingly stupid.  The state should not both sponsor and moralize against "sins"


It's not really moralizing so much as people shouldn't be pissing away state funds. Granted, the money does go right back TO the state, but it's quite inefficient.
 
Xai
2013-01-26 10:10:51 AM
the state lottery jackpot this week, after the new law passed banning desperate people from playing, is a whopping $12.50!
 
GBB [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 10:11:14 AM

Giltric: I bet if they do win the lottery they find a job within 2 minutes in order to claim the ticket.


I'll hire them in exchage for 10% of their winnings.
 
2013-01-26 10:12:26 AM
I agree. Now add drug testing, and not allowing them to buy cigarettes, tattoos would make it all perfect.
 
2013-01-26 10:12:52 AM

Via Infinito: But that's even crappier, isn't it? Letting them spending that dollar they found under the cushions on a lottery ticket, but not letting them have the prize when they win? I don't think lottery winners should be allowed to STAY on welfare when they win, but making people ineligible for the prize because they've been dealt a seriously shiatty hand at life just seems incredibly mean-spirited. I'm not sure what kind of point they're trying to make here.


If you have been dealt such a bad hand you would be better off saving any found money instead of spending it on frivolity.
 
2013-01-26 10:14:58 AM
2 weeks from now-

Official Press Release
RE: North Carolina State Lottery
SUBJ: We Farked up

Good afternoon Ladies and Gentlemen. Basically the reason we called this Press conference is to publicly announce how retarded we are. And it's a lot. like, "that ugly dude from the goonies" retarded. Oh, and we're bankrupt. so, if everyone could just leave quickly, i'll uh...snag those lights there...just yeah....ok. bye
 
2013-01-26 10:15:14 AM
I don't get it. Is he saying that playing the lottery isn't worth it?

color me shocked.
 
2013-01-26 10:16:07 AM

jack_sawyer75: I agree. Now add drug testing, and not allowing them to buy cigarettes, tattoos would make it all perfect.


lol. Drug testing. I see you're in favor of corporate welfare, at least.
 
2013-01-26 10:16:21 AM

cmunic8r99: Just make it so winning a prize over a certain amount requires them to pay a significant percentage of the winnings to the state as reimbursement for the win


Significant like the 1/3 to even 1/2 that is paid in taxes by every lottery winner, ever? How much more would you have them pay?
 
2013-01-26 10:16:26 AM
I sometimes think GOP politicians must lie awake almost every night staring at the ceiling, trying desperately to think up new ways to make life just a little more miserable for the poor.
 
2013-01-26 10:17:24 AM

MmmmBacon: They are saying that the mythic "Welfare Queen" (which doesn't really exist, other than in the minds of the GOP)


Sorry, bud, but there are quite a few welfare queens. Sure, they're in the minority, but saying that they don't exist is naive. I have personal experience with them.
 
2013-01-26 10:17:44 AM

dickfreckle: Ah, dog-whislting at it's finest. Well, perhaps more along the lines of bullhorn. Are they allowed to have cheap internet to communicate assess the modern job market, or will that be deemed wasteful as well? A refrigerator? Or do those count as items welfare or SNAP recipients could be using to build the first prototype flying car that will lift them from this misery?


Look, I'm a liberal democrat, but how the fark are those even remotely comparable? This is about the same thing as prohibiting SNAP from being used to buy soda, not keeping people from having access to modern communication networks. Which is something a lot of liberals have been clamoring for, I might add.

A lottery ticket offers exactly no utility. It's not ramen vs a deli sandwich. Buying a lottery ticket is buying a piece of paper not even useful for wiping your ass, and a lot of poor people do buy them in the hopes that they'll strike it rich, and lotteries market to that hope. They make a lot of money marketing to the despair of the poor, and the poor lose a lot of money with misbegotten hope in a system where they're pretty much guaranteed to lose money. Hell, you could even call this consumer protection.

Now, I didn't RTFA, so I can't comment on implementation. Obviously, the devil's in the details, and if they're doing something like taking their money for the ticket but refusing to pay out, that's wrong, and probably illegal. I very much doubt that they'd try something like that though. But the general concept is nowhere near as odious as you're making it out to be.
 
2013-01-26 10:18:48 AM
The poor can buy lottery tickets: "OMG TAX ON THE POOR."

The poor can't buy lottery tickets: "OMG THEY'RE BEING OPPRESSED."

/Make up your minds.
 
2013-01-26 10:21:07 AM

EvilEgg: You can only do so much to protect people from themselves.  Everyone has the right to be mindbogglingly stupid.  The state should not both sponsor and moralize against "sins"


Right.
So what your saying is that we should protect them from their own mistakes or bad luck by sending the govt checks, but then allow them to spend those checks on idiotic pursuits.

People on the dole should know it.
If you are on welfare you should be trying to get off welfare. People on welfare are like the kid who got held back 2 grades in school. That's how other people look at you if you are able-bodied.
 
2013-01-26 10:21:24 AM
This will become law, of that I have no doubt. The repugs own Raleigh, and they're mostly just one step away from being tea baggers.

/Welcome to North Carolina.
//Please set your watches back 200 years.
 
2013-01-26 10:22:13 AM

ghare: Revek: EvilEgg: You can only do so much to protect people from themselves.  Everyone has the right to be mindbogglingly stupid.  The state should not both sponsor and moralize against "sins"

You can stop them from using public money to pay for their vice.

What vice? A state-sponsored method of funding education is a vice?


Yes
 
2013-01-26 10:23:17 AM
Ah yes - the "NC education lottery" - marketed to the good folks under the premise that proceeds would go towards schools, etc.

Years later it ended up with the same reputation as the tobacco settlement - meant to go towards covering costs of tobacco marked substances...

NONE of it goes where it's 'supposed to'. It's all a multi-billion dollar shell game.

/Central NC resident.
 
2013-01-26 10:23:58 AM

MmmmBacon: Via Infinito: MmmmBacon: Via Infinito: I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.

It probably doesn't stop them from playing, but prevents them from winning. So when these desperate Welfare recipients buy a lottery ticket and lose, that's just more money in the system. But if they lose? "Sorry, you're on welfare, therefore you are not eligible for this prize". I doubt it would go back into the pool for the next week, though... Maybe their winnings will go to fund some "state project", instead?

But that's even crappier, isn't it? Letting them spending that dollar they found under the cushions on a lottery ticket, but not letting them have the prize when they win? I don't think lottery winners should be allowed to STAY on welfare when they win, but making people ineligible for the prize because they've been dealt a seriously shiatty hand at life just seems incredibly mean-spirited. I'm not sure what kind of point they're trying to make here.

They are saying that the mythic "Welfare Queen" (which doesn't really exist, other than in the minds of the GOP) shouldn't get to spend her ill-gotten stipend on a chance at getting rich like they are. She and her 12 illegitimate children might lower the values of the GOP's mansions, should WQ move into their neighborhood.

It is racism and classism, with a hint of "playing to the zealots in our base".


farm9.staticflickr.com
The term "Welfare Queen" comes from Democrats in Chicago not the GOP and calling an able-bodied person with 6 kids on welfare a "welfare queen" isn't racist.

/not everyone on welfare is black
 
2013-01-26 10:24:52 AM
Sounds good to me. If you have money to gamble you should not be taking money from the state. If you're bankrupt and have money to gamble you should spend it paying your freaking debts.
 
2013-01-26 10:25:11 AM

Via Infinito: MmmmBacon: Via Infinito: I can see them not accepting EBT to pay for the lottery tickets, but prohibiting welfare recipients from playing at all seems crappy.

It probably doesn't stop them from playing, but prevents them from winning. So when these desperate Welfare recipients buy a lottery ticket and lose, that's just more money in the system. But if they lose? "Sorry, you're on welfare, therefore you are not eligible for this prize". I doubt it would go back into the pool for the next week, though... Maybe their winnings will go to fund some "state project", instead?

But that's even crappier, isn't it? Letting them spending that dollar they found under the cushions on a lottery ticket, but not letting them have the prize when they win? I don't think lottery winners should be allowed to STAY on welfare when they win, but making people ineligible for the prize because they've been dealt a seriously shiatty hand at life just seems incredibly mean-spirited. I'm not sure what kind of point they're trying to make here.


That they hate the poor?
 
2013-01-26 10:25:59 AM
I recall a twin billboard on the way into Winston-Salem - one side reading "Let's Keep NC Drug Free" & the other reading "Winstons - No Bull".

Even all those years ago - the irony does not escape me...
 
2013-01-26 10:27:04 AM
Being a white male with middle class parents who make enough that I couldn't qualify for food stamps, yet not enough to support me or pay tuition for college, I admit I survived in part due to people on food stamps selling me $20-$50 worth of stamps for $5 or $10 bucks because then they could buy...whatever. It bums me out my role in these people's bad choices and on the other hand, I was able to eat most days and was not involved in crime. I guess this is more of a confession and insight than a witty put down of someone else.
 
2013-01-26 10:28:20 AM
Government bans private gambling. Uses monopoly on gambling to collect taxes. It's good to be King.
 
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