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(CNN)   Starting Sunday USPS wants another penny per stamp before they finally drop the first S, and paint all their vehicles brown   (money.cnn.com) divider line 87
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2013-01-26 09:27:01 AM  
UPS?

Doubtful. I'm sure the Post Office would be the same as North Korea is to the South. They don't want them either.
 
2013-01-26 09:52:45 AM  
That's ballsy, If it wasn't for the fact that my wallet got ripped off and I've been spending the last week getting all my papers back I wouldn't have gone out to my mailbox since Christmas. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has little use for the post office.
 
2013-01-26 10:03:16 AM  

Mugato: That's ballsy, If it wasn't for the fact that my wallet got ripped off and I've been spending the last week getting all my papers back I wouldn't have gone out to my mailbox since Christmas. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has little use for the post office.


I, like thousands of other small businesses, send out bills and receive payments using the USPS. It's reliable, inexpensive, and predictable.
 
2013-01-26 10:11:26 AM  

Dinki: Mugato: That's ballsy, If it wasn't for the fact that my wallet got ripped off and I've been spending the last week getting all my papers back I wouldn't have gone out to my mailbox since Christmas. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has little use for the post office.

I, like thousands of other small businesses, send out bills and receive payments using the USPS. It's reliable, inexpensive, and predictable.


I feel like if it ever came down to needing a serious cut, the USPS could cut residential to 3 days a week and nobody would end up too much worse for it (aside from some letter carriers).
 
2013-01-26 10:20:48 AM  

Dinki: Mugato: That's ballsy, If it wasn't for the fact that my wallet got ripped off and I've been spending the last week getting all my papers back I wouldn't have gone out to my mailbox since Christmas. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has little use for the post office.

I, like thousands of other small businesses, send out bills and receive payments using the USPS. It's reliable, inexpensive, and predictable.


You mail paper invoices?  My business has many vendors, and I don't think we've gotten a paper invoice in a decade.  Considering I pay most of the bills, and I'm 900 miles away from our office... if you mail it to us, it ain't getting paid.

I know every business is different... but why would you waste the money on postage, when email is free?
 
2013-01-26 10:23:19 AM  
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2013-01-26 10:45:38 AM  
Maybe if they just remove that ridiculous pension rule designed to bankrupt the USPS by, they would be back to being in the black and wouldn't need to raise prices. Just a thought.
 
2013-01-26 10:46:09 AM  
Just make postage stamps $.50 and don't bring it up for five years. How hard is this?
 
2013-01-26 10:47:06 AM  

Dinki: Mugato: That's ballsy, If it wasn't for the fact that my wallet got ripped off and I've been spending the last week getting all my papers back I wouldn't have gone out to my mailbox since Christmas. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has little use for the post office.

I, like thousands of other small businesses, send out bills and receive payments using the USPS. It's reliable, inexpensive, and predictable.


Yeah, speak for yourself, Mugato. I prefer using the USPS for my bills.  Sure, I can pay some of them online. But why should I have an infrastructure to support saving money for businesses, to include buying a computer, pay for an ISP, etc. when a simple envelope and stamp will do? Likewise, I'm not keen on others having access to my accounts even indirectly.

And, like why I keep my home telephone service, what happens when you don't have power?

Besides, I like writing people by hand. I find it enjoyable to send letters, cards, postcards because everybody likes getting REAL mail.
 
2013-01-26 10:54:09 AM  

ABQGOD: Just make postage stamps $.50 and don't bring it up for five years. How hard is this?


Thing is, our wonderful Congress passed a law that requires the USPS to be the *only* Federal agency of any kind that has to *fully* fund their retirement plan out of operating revenues, rather than sharing the funding with the employees in some manner or having it funded by Congress through appropriations for that specific purpose, and the minimal postage rate increases that Congress authorizes every year (or, more accurately, every three years or so) isn't cutting it as far as operating the postal system *and* funding the retirement plan goes.
 
2013-01-26 10:54:14 AM  

AirForceVet: why should I have an infrastructure to support saving money for businesses, to include buying a computer, pay for an ISP, etc


Um, because you already have those things?
People who don't can pay most of their online crap at the nearest 7/11.
 
2013-01-26 10:56:58 AM  
Basically the biggest environmental problem we have is the fact that the vast majority of the mail is either junk mail or things like bills and bank statement that could easily be digitized. All that crap getting printed and driven around the country is such a waste.

Until the environmentalists take on junk mail i am not going to listen to them biatch about some snail in the desert.
 
2013-01-26 11:03:31 AM  

serial_crusher: AirForceVet: why should I have an infrastructure to support saving money for businesses, to include buying a computer, pay for an ISP, etc

Um, because you already have those things?
People who don't can pay most of their online crap at the nearest 7/11.


I do. Many don't like the poor. Myself, I've not seen many computers at the local 7/11 so what are you talkin' about?

/Unless you want Fox News to pitch a fit about 98% of the poor having refrigerators AND computers.
 
2013-01-26 11:05:43 AM  

BiffDangler: Basically the biggest environmental problem we have is the fact that the vast majority of the mail is either junk mail or things like bills and bank statement that could easily be digitized. All that crap getting printed and driven around the country is such a waste.

Until the environmentalists take on junk mail i am not going to listen to them biatch about some snail in the desert.


Junk mail is the "biggest environmental problem we have??"  Unlikely.  Ask those who live in Salt Lake City in the winter what THEIR biggest environmental problem is, i.e. like breathing.
 
2013-01-26 11:09:19 AM  
the USPS is in business to deliver junk mail. They need to realize that if they want to come up with a way to be profitable.
 
2013-01-26 11:11:06 AM  

AirForceVet: serial_crusher: AirForceVet: why should I have an infrastructure to support saving money for businesses, to include buying a computer, pay for an ISP, etc

Um, because you already have those things?
People who don't can pay most of their online crap at the nearest 7/11.

I do. Many don't like the poor. Myself, I've not seen many computers at the local 7/11 so what are you talkin' about?

/Unless you want Fox News to pitch a fit about 98% of the poor having refrigerators AND computers.


well, I was thinking of these guys, but after watching their "how it works" video, I see the customer has to go online to print an invoice (or send it to their smart phone!) before going to the 7-11 to pay their cash.  Now I can't imagine who would ever use that stupid service.
 
2013-01-26 11:11:28 AM  

AirForceVet: Many don't like the poor.


Yes, they're called Republicans.
 
2013-01-26 11:14:49 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: the USPS is in business to deliver junk mail. They need to realize that if they want to come up with a way to be profitable.


They do realize this. As I said upthread, it's not the cost of sending out the mail that is losing them money, if it was just that, they'd be swimming in money and postage would be half what it is now. It's that nice Congressional mandate that the USPS fully fund their retirement plan out of operating revenues (as in, make sure their is enough funding to pay for the retirement of employees that haven't even been born yet) without any relief from employee contribution or Congressional appropriation of funds for that purpose.
 
2013-01-26 11:24:54 AM  

downstairs: I know every business is different... but why would you waste the money on postage, when email is free?


Not all of my clients want emailed invoices, and the last thing I want is to have to track which client gets what kind of bill. I never have any complaints from anyone about the paper invoices.
 
2013-01-26 11:25:46 AM  

limeyfellow: Maybe if they just remove that ridiculous pension rule designed to bankrupt the USPS by, they would be back to being in the black and wouldn't need to raise prices. Just a thought.


That's the thing. There's no way any business will touch the USPS with it's current requirements. UPS and FedEx have already said as much. And if the ridiculous 'World class premium mail service at Wal-Mart prices, and it needs to be profitable' requirements are finally gotten rid of, the USPS wouldn't need to close.
 
2013-01-26 11:32:40 AM  

ABQGOD: Just make postage stamps $.50 and don't bring it up for five years. How hard is this?


Just buy some forever stamps, of if you mail a lot, one of the machines that ink stamps exact price. How hard is this?
 
2013-01-26 11:36:04 AM  

Dinki: downstairs: I know every business is different... but why would you waste the money on postage, when email is free?

Not all of my clients want emailed invoices, and the last thing I want is to have to track which client gets what kind of bill. I never have any complaints from anyone about the paper invoices.


Not trying to argue with you, every business is different... but I insist on getting invoices emailed to me.  Do you not have *any* clients that insist on electronic invoices/bills?  I'd be suprised.
 
2013-01-26 11:36:43 AM  

AirForceVet: And, like why I keep my home telephone service, what happens when you don't have power?


Car charger ;)
 
2013-01-26 11:50:32 AM  

downstairs: AirForceVet: And, like why I keep my home telephone service, what happens when you don't have power?

Car charger ;)


When the cell towers don't have power, your car charger isn't going to do much good.
 
2013-01-26 11:52:40 AM  

ClavellBCMI: ABQGOD: Just make postage stamps $.50 and don't bring it up for five years. How hard is this?

Thing is, our wonderful Congress passed a law that requires the USPS to be the *only* Federal agency of any kind that has to *fully* fund their retirement plan out of operating revenues, rather than sharing the funding with the employees in some manner or having it funded by Congress through appropriations for that specific purpose, and the minimal postage rate increases that Congress authorizes every year (or, more accurately, every three years or so) isn't cutting it as far as operating the postal system *and* funding the retirement plan goes.


Don't forget that the same Congress that lambastes the USPS for not 'running like a business' gets their knickers in a twist when it want to shut down po-dunk offices or at least scale back the staffing times at them. Don't even get them started on the request to not drive by your mailbox every farking day just to see if you put something out for them to pickup.
 
2013-01-26 11:56:49 AM  

wingnut396: downstairs: AirForceVet: And, like why I keep my home telephone service, what happens when you don't have power?

Car charger ;)

When the cell towers don't have power, your car charger isn't going to do much good.


I dunno... just went through a pretty bad hurricane this year, almost all of New Orleans was out of power for 5-6 days.  My cel phone worked fine the whole time, and we charged it in the car when needed.

I'm pretty sure cel phone towers have generators.  I'm assuming here, not an expert.

Now... I have Verizon, and they have great service down here.  I did hear of people on AT&T not having a great time making calls.
 
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2013-01-26 11:57:55 AM  
Maybe if the USPS didn't have to maintain service to people who live in the ass of nowhere they wouldn't lose so much money.
 
2013-01-26 11:58:24 AM  

AirForceVet: Yeah, speak for yourself, Mugato.


I was speaking for myself. I said I'm probably not the only one with little use for the mail, and a couple posts here support that assumption. I'm not advocating getting rid of it or anything. Of course a penny/stamp is less than trivial (unless you have a bunch of old stamps sitting around and you have to go out and buy a bunch of 1 cent stamps, that'd be a pain in the ass). I just noted that it's funny they're raising the rate at all when use of the USPS is on a decline
 
2013-01-26 12:00:23 PM  

vpb: Maybe if the USPS didn't have to maintain service to people who live in the ass of nowhere they wouldn't lose so much money.


/someone needs to read the whole thread before auto-posting a reply
 
2013-01-26 12:04:05 PM  

limeyfellow: Maybe if they just remove that ridiculous pension rule designed to bankrupt the USPS by, they would be back to being in the black and wouldn't need to raise prices. Just a thought.


THIS.

/ Thanks a lot, Republicans!
// making the retirement package that Congress has reflect that of the Private sector makes more sense to me.
/// I expect many Democratic and Republican tears if that's ever implemented....
 
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2013-01-26 12:08:03 PM  

ABQGOD: Just make postage stamps $.50 and don't bring it up for five years. How hard is this?


How about congress reverse the incredibly bad retirement funding requirements so that UPS isn't being bankrupted.  Requiring 75 years of retirement funding for each employee is a system designed to bankrupt the post office so it's bones can be picked by corporations donating money to our representatives.
 
2013-01-26 12:13:30 PM  

downstairs: wingnut396: downstairs: AirForceVet: And, like why I keep my home telephone service, what happens when you don't have power?

Car charger ;)

When the cell towers don't have power, your car charger isn't going to do much good.

I dunno... just went through a pretty bad hurricane this year, almost all of New Orleans was out of power for 5-6 days.  My cel phone worked fine the whole time, and we charged it in the car when needed.

I'm pretty sure cel phone towers have generators.  I'm assuming here, not an expert.

Now... I have Verizon, and they have great service down here.  I did hear of people on AT&T not having a great time making calls.


In New Orleans proper, a good bit of the cell infrastructure was updated and fixed after Katrina. They had plans to better equip and secure the generators there. (During Katrina, many towers were only staying up a few hours because people would steal the fuel from the generator once the contractor left).

In Baton Rouge, cell service was awful after Gustav. The tower that were working were overloaded, so your calls would often get dropped or not go through.

Hardwired landlines are more robust.

I wonder what the outage stats for Sandy were in regards to cell service.
 
2013-01-26 12:14:57 PM  

AirForceVet: BiffDangler: Basically the biggest environmental problem we have is the fact that the vast majority of the mail is either junk mail or things like bills and bank statement that could easily be digitized. All that crap getting printed and driven around the country is such a waste.

Until the environmentalists take on junk mail i am not going to listen to them biatch about some snail in the desert.

Junk mail is the "biggest environmental problem we have??"  Unlikely.  Ask those who live in Salt Lake City in the winter what THEIR biggest environmental problem is, i.e. like breathing.


Ok, it's not the BIGGEST environmental problem (see: automobiles), but it is a problem that's relatively easy to solve.

My mail =

8% - My 2-at-a-time Netflix account (going steadily down from 5-at-a-time as streaming selection improves)
2% - Companies that in freaking 2013 still insist on sending paper bills / other unnecessary physical communications
90% - My Tuesday junk mail, which goes straight from the mail box to the recycle bin*

*yes, there is an environmental cost to recycling, particularly with paper
 
2013-01-26 12:25:03 PM  
Got a parking ticket a few weeks ago and figured I'd go through the hassle of appealing (the automated machine to deposit your coins in was busted). Went to send it confirm receipt so I'd be sure it got there. Price of the parking ticket was $25. I paid $6 to send it CR.

/better the USPS get my money than city of Waltham
//but I'll probably wind up paying both
 
2013-01-26 12:32:02 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Spanky_McFarksalot: the USPS is in business to deliver junk mail. They need to realize that if they want to come up with a way to be profitable.

They do realize this. As I said upthread, it's not the cost of sending out the mail that is losing them money, if it was just that, they'd be swimming in money and postage would be half what it is now. It's that nice Congressional mandate that the USPS fully fund their retirement plan out of operating revenues (as in, make sure their is enough funding to pay for the retirement of employees that haven't even been born yet) without any relief from employee contribution or Congressional appropriation of funds for that purpose.


Ah, the great liberal lie about the USPS.  Even if they weren't paying the pension money, they'd still be losing money.   Read this interview with the Postmaster General.
 
2013-01-26 12:36:15 PM  

wingnut396: downstairs: wingnut396: downstairs: AirForceVet: And, like why I keep my home telephone service, what happens when you don't have power?

Car charger ;)

When the cell towers don't have power, your car charger isn't going to do much good.

I dunno... just went through a pretty bad hurricane this year, almost all of New Orleans was out of power for 5-6 days.  My cel phone worked fine the whole time, and we charged it in the car when needed.

I'm pretty sure cel phone towers have generators.  I'm assuming here, not an expert.

Now... I have Verizon, and they have great service down here.  I did hear of people on AT&T not having a great time making calls.

In New Orleans proper, a good bit of the cell infrastructure was updated and fixed after Katrina. They had plans to better equip and secure the generators there. (During Katrina, many towers were only staying up a few hours because people would steal the fuel from the generator once the contractor left).

In Baton Rouge, cell service was awful after Gustav. The tower that were working were overloaded, so your calls would often get dropped or not go through.

Hardwired landlines are more robust.

I wonder what the outage stats for Sandy were in regards to cell service.


All good... I'm only going off personal experience with 2 hurricanes (Gustav, Issac).  I wasn't here for Katrina.

I do find the usage of the words "infrastructure", "upgraded" and "New Orleans" all in the same sentence to be quite funny ;)
 
2013-01-26 12:52:37 PM  
My god. This could literally cost me dozens of cents per year. The horror.

Someone said raise it to 50 cents and be done with it for five years. I say raise it to a dollar, and be done with it until you need to raise it to $2, whether that's six months from now or sixty years. Businesses or anyone else with a lot of first-class letters to send could buy at steeply discounted bulk rates. But there's no reason someone like me should be subsidized.

Or give it a regular budget appropriation, like it probably should have already. Providing a certain degree of guaranteed usable mail services is a government's responsibility. Why treat it like the bastard stepchild of government? The USPS' problems are a rounding error in the federal budget.

There will come a time when you can get rid of your postal service and not be a jokeass backwater excuse for a country. We're not there yet, fellas.
 
2013-01-26 01:04:16 PM  
Meh, most of the stuff I order from ebay is delivered via USPS. Stuff makes it to me quick and the tracking is usually spot on.
 
2013-01-26 01:15:36 PM  

downstairs: Not trying to argue with you, every business is different... but I insist on getting invoices emailed to me.  Do you not have *any* clients that insist on electronic invoices/bills?  I'd be suprised.


When I was a consultant a couple of years ago - the only way I would ever get paid is to either a) fax the invoice or b) mail it.  It didn't matter if it was a 30 person outfit or a fortune 10 company.

E-mail doesn't work for a number of reasons.  First - it isn't trackable.  Second - its easily spoofed.  And lastly - companies simply don't have a process for it (an accounts receivable mailbox would full of junk in 3 seconds).  Any company that allows you to submit invoices electrically will typically force you to log into a system to submit (with an awesome SAP or Oracle interface).  Mail works and for the more dodgy companies - I can send it certified and follow it up with a phone call.

/yes ... a fark'n phone call
 
2013-01-26 01:20:45 PM  
The cost of me sending a letter to an adjacent zip code using UPS costs $24.70.

USPS should raise the rate to $.75 and it would still be a bargain over UPS.
 
2013-01-26 01:30:39 PM  
I like the post office. I don't like going to the post office, but I treasure the service.
 
2013-01-26 01:32:14 PM  
vpb: Maybe if the USPS didn't have to maintain service to people who live in the ass of nowhere Teabaggers they wouldn't lose so much money.

FTFY
 
2013-01-26 01:37:22 PM  

gingerjet: When I was a consultant a couple of years ago - the only way I would ever get paid is to either a) fax the invoice or b) mail it. It didn't matter if it was a 30 person outfit or a fortune 10 company.

E-mail doesn't work for a number of reasons. First - it isn't trackable. Second - its easily spoofed. And lastly - companies simply don't have a process for it (an accounts receivable mailbox would full of junk in 3 seconds). Any company that allows you to submit invoices electrically will typically force you to log into a system to submit (with an awesome SAP or Oracle interface). Mail works and for the more dodgy companies - I can send it certified and follow it up with a phone call.

/yes ... a fark'n phone call


All good, I guess we're just in different industries.  I've never mailed an invoice once in the 11 years I've been in business.  And we do all sorts of different stuff for all sorts of different industries.

Also, email can be trackable.  That's actually part of a product me and my partner built.  Works inside various accounting systems, allows you to send trackable invoice (or any accounting document) via email or fax.
 
2013-01-26 01:41:23 PM  

limeyfellow: Maybe if they just remove that ridiculous pension rule designed to bankrupt the USPS by, they would be back to being in the black and wouldn't need to raise prices. Just a thought.


THIS, and the still should raise it periodically. It's been pretty consistent for a while.

www.johnstonsarchive.net
 
2013-01-26 01:44:10 PM  
46 cents is still cheaper than sending a domestic letter in Mexico, Turkey, Peru, or basically any first-world country. Costs over twice as much to send a domestic letter in little tiny countries like Belgium.
 
2013-01-26 01:47:42 PM  
It'd still be cheaper than a private service. Suck it, haters.
 
2013-01-26 02:00:56 PM  

downstairs: Dinki: Mugato: That's ballsy, If it wasn't for the fact that my wallet got ripped off and I've been spending the last week getting all my papers back I wouldn't have gone out to my mailbox since Christmas. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has little use for the post office.

I, like thousands of other small businesses, send out bills and receive payments using the USPS. It's reliable, inexpensive, and predictable.

You mail paper invoices?  My business has many vendors, and I don't think we've gotten a paper invoice in a decade.  Considering I pay most of the bills, and I'm 900 miles away from our office... if you mail it to us, it ain't getting paid.

I know every business is different... but why would you waste the money on postage, when email is free?


When I have to deal with the IRS there's only one way I know of to send a certified, "signed receipt is admissible in court", letter.
 
2013-01-26 02:14:01 PM  
The only complaint I've had from the USPS is the 2 month delay on one package that I ordered around Christmas last year. One complaint in 25 years, from an organization that admits it is most busy in the month of December.

The fact that I can send a package from Indiana to Afghanistan (friend in the military - did the soldiers' christmas thing) for less than $20 or a letter to a city on either ocean for less than a dollar seems like a good use of taxpayer money.
 
2013-01-26 02:24:30 PM  

downstairs: Also, email can be trackable.  That's actually part of a product me and my partner built.  Works inside various accounting systems, allows you to send trackable invoice (or any accounting document) via email or fax.


I'm just a guy trying to get paid.  I'm not going to lecture a client on how to track an invoice.  I have never run into a case in which they would accept an invoice via e-mail.  And every organization has weird quirks.  One company I dealt with had an unwritten policy of never paying the first invoice it received from a vendor.  So I mailed one invoice, waited two days, and then mailed the second one.  The second one always got paid.

/and if you have a complaint against someone for non-payment - using "I e-mailed it" never works
 
2013-01-26 02:35:23 PM  

gingerjet: I'm just a guy trying to get paid. I'm not going to lecture a client on how to track an invoice.


We're cool, we just are apparently in completely different industries.

However, just a side note, by trackable email... I meant *you* can track the invoice and see that it was received and/or opened.

Also, I was just shocked a little that you've NEVER had a client accept an emailed invoice.  I have plenty that insist on it, including myself to my vendors.  I'll never pay a mailed invoice, because I'll never see it.
 
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