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2013-01-26 06:35:50 AM  
Close. It actually start with an F and ends in iat. As as any European knows, that's a no-no when it comes to cars
 
2013-01-26 07:35:03 AM  
Lets see...

Revive a nameplate from one of the worst decades of automobile manufacturing?

Check.

Give it any of three transmissions no one wants?

Check.

Mopar?

Check.

Fiat too?

Check.

What else do you want?...
 
2013-01-26 08:27:47 AM  
Sales may perk up when the Dart receives Chrysler/Fiat's new nine-speed automatic transmission, which will soon debut on the successor to the Jeep Liberty.

I doubt that's going to be a winner for them, either.  People don't like cars that shift all the time.
 
2013-01-26 08:35:25 AM  
fail.brm.sk
 
2013-01-26 08:35:55 AM  
If the new Dart were a true update of the 1964 Dodge Dart my brother used to own, with a slant-six engine that was nigh indestructible, then I would consider buying one. That was one fun car!
 
2013-01-26 09:23:12 AM  
Always thought it was counter-intuitive to name a car company after a word that essentially means "avoid".
 
2013-01-26 09:27:33 AM  
well, it is farking ugly. so there's that.
 
2013-01-26 09:32:11 AM  
Not selling?
How about because it's called, "Dodge Dart."

/Note to the genius marketing executives: People remember the old granny cars, dumbasses. Why do you still have jobs?
 
2013-01-26 09:36:36 AM  
Should have just called it an Alpha, kept the old grill, and at least you'd get some buyers for the novelty.
 
2013-01-26 09:39:02 AM  
Because it sucks?

Latest car I bought is a Toyota Hybrid. Love it.

When a state like California pushes the automakers to come up with better cars, companies like Toyota say "We can meet that challenge" and proceed to do so. Companies like Dodge says "this isn't reasonable, government is hindering business, this investment will never pay off."

Attitude is everything.
 
2013-01-26 10:07:04 AM  

edmo: Because it sucks?

Latest car I bought is a Toyota Hybrid. Love it.

When a state like California pushes the automakers to come up with better cars, companies like Toyota say "We can meet that challenge" and proceed to do so. Companies like Dodge says "this isn't reasonable, government is hindering business, this investment will never pay off."

Attitude is everything.


The smugness of this post knows no bounds.
 
2013-01-26 10:08:21 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Not selling?
How about because it's called, "Dodge Dart."

/Note to the genius marketing executives: People remember the old granny cars, dumbasses. Why do you still have jobs?


My dad had a Dart when I was a little kid. It was not very good. Then he bought a Dodge Duster. It was REALLY not very good. Then he bought a K-Car. I think my dad must have been high during the late 70s.

/let's bring back the Corvair nameplate -- that'll sell!
 
2013-01-26 10:11:18 AM  

edmo: Because it sucks?

Latest car I bought is a Toyota Hybrid. Love it.

When a state like California pushes the automakers to come up with better cars, companies like Toyota say "We can meet that challenge" and proceed to do so. Companies like Dodge says "this isn't reasonable, government is hindering business, this investment will never pay off."

Attitude is everything.


Toyota builds the most beige and soul-less vehicles on the planet.

Their attitude is, "here is your appliance on wheels, go forth".
 
2013-01-26 10:16:46 AM  

fatalvenom: Toyota builds the most beige and soul-less vehicles on the planet.

Their attitude is, "here is your appliance on wheels, go forth".


I feel just as passionately about my microwave oven. GE branded ones lack any character or soul. Panasonics have always understood the passion of the 2 minute cook.

/yeesh, car enthusiasts can be a strange bunch
 
2013-01-26 10:26:54 AM  

MightyPez: fatalvenom: Toyota builds the most beige and soul-less vehicles on the planet.

Their attitude is, "here is your appliance on wheels, go forth".

I feel just as passionately about my microwave oven. GE branded ones lack any character or soul. Panasonics have always understood the passion of the 2 minute cook.

/yeesh, car enthusiasts can be a strange bunch


What do you mean, my choice in kitchen appliances is indicative of my penis size?

/at least this hasn't turned into a gun porn thread.
 
2013-01-26 10:28:48 AM  

Tax Boy: HotIgneous Intruder: Not selling?
How about because it's called, "Dodge Dart."

/Note to the genius marketing executives: People remember the old granny cars, dumbasses. Why do you still have jobs?

My dad had a Dart when I was a little kid. It was not very good. Then he bought a Dodge Duster. It was REALLY not very good. Then he bought a K-Car. I think my dad must have been high during the late 70s.

/let's bring back the Corvair nameplate -- that'll sell!


My parents had a 1981 Reliant Station Wagon. I remember the car not starting because the flywheel was missing teeth and they would have to rock it to get the starter to engage.
 
2013-01-26 10:29:11 AM  

Ishkur: Always thought it was counter-intuitive to name a car company after a word that essentially means "avoid".


I always thought their car names were rather amusing in general:
"Magnum"
"Challenger"
"Charger"
"Avenger"
"Caliber"
Always seemed like they were compensating for something...

But other than that..
Also causing trouble: the Dart's optional dual-clutch transmission, which, by CEO Sergio Marchionne's own admission, was too European for U.S. drivers.

That doesn't make any damn sense. Yeah, who would want a better, faster shifting transmission?
 
2013-01-26 10:31:29 AM  

MightyPez: /yeesh, car enthusiasts can be a strange bunch


I'm sorry you get no enjoyment out of life.
 
2013-01-26 10:32:41 AM  

Lsherm: Sales may perk up when the Dart receives Chrysler/Fiat's new nine-speed automatic transmission, which will soon debut on the successor to the Jeep Liberty.

I doubt that's going to be a winner for them, either.  People don't like cars that shift all the time.


I just found myself staring at thing in awe at the auto show. 9 farking speeds. Just go install a damn CVT.
 
2013-01-26 10:33:17 AM  
For a while, I was seriously considering a dart. But they delayed in bringing the higher end R/T (now GT) to market. It still isn't available. I was hypnotized by all the cool techy stuff on the inside and thought it'd be a decent 4-door replacement for my much loved but falling apart scion tC. Now, I will look elsewhere. Probably a mini cooper countryman or something similar.
 
2013-01-26 10:38:39 AM  
If they sold a serious performance SRT version right off the bat, priced and marketed it as a sensible BMW 3-Series alternative, the aura of that model would draw in the status seekers buying the base models.

/I'd get the SRT version
 
2013-01-26 10:39:42 AM  
I owned a Dakota that had a forever transmission problem that Dodge refused to acknowledge and when the Dodge corporation actually said they were not going to do anything to help me and that they would not be standing by me, I made it my mission to get rid of that heap and warn everyone about how shiatty Dodge is.  I bought a Hyundai Accent and my wallet and I are happy.  fark Dodge.
 
2013-01-26 10:42:20 AM  

StrangeQ: MightyPez: /yeesh, car enthusiasts can be a strange bunch

I'm sorry you get no enjoyment out of life.


So to enjoy life I have to bend my mind enough to assign a soul to a mass manufactured commodity?
 
2013-01-26 10:42:35 AM  

StrangeQ: That doesn't make any damn sense. Yeah, who would want a better, faster shifting transmission?


The thing that bugs me about the flappy-paddle gearboxes is their sequential nature. There are times when I might want to do a 5-3 shift, or put the transmission in neutral rather than coast in gear.

/yeah, I know motorcycles get along fine with sequential transmissions
 
2013-01-26 10:59:21 AM  
I would never buy the first model year of new car or a redesign of an existing car.

I bought a used 2012 Mustang GT premium a few weeks ago for $25,000 including tax and title. So far, so good and a V-8 is such an improvement from my old V-4.
 
2013-01-26 11:15:07 AM  

Fubegra: StrangeQ: That doesn't make any damn sense. Yeah, who would want a better, faster shifting transmission?

The thing that bugs me about the flappy-paddle gearboxes is their sequential nature. There are times when I might want to do a 5-3 shift, or put the transmission in neutral rather than coast in gear.

/yeah, I know motorcycles get along fine with sequential transmissions


In that case...buy a manual.
 
2013-01-26 11:18:47 AM  
Summary of past Fark threads on tis topic: "it is missing the slant-six engine or I'd buy it"

/That, plus "Fiat is a no go" (literally)
 
2013-01-26 11:29:26 AM  

MmmmBacon: If the new Dart were a true update of the 1964 Dodge Dart my brother used to own, with a slant-six engine that was nigh indestructible, then I would consider buying one. That was one fun car!


That was the first car my husband and I ever owned after we had gotten married.. It was hideously ugly but dependable through many a Minnesota Winter.
I had a love/hate relationship with it.

Would Kill to have her back.
We traded it for a Coronet.
Those were the days.
 
2013-01-26 11:29:33 AM  

cretinbob: [fail.brm.sk image 296x265]


www.bundyology.com
 
2013-01-26 11:31:40 AM  

MightyPez: fatalvenom: Toyota builds the most beige and soul-less vehicles on the planet.

Their attitude is, "here is your appliance on wheels, go forth".

I feel just as passionately about my microwave oven. GE branded ones lack any character or soul. Panasonics have always understood the passion of the 2 minute cook.

/yeesh, car enthusiasts can be a strange bunch


Aesthetics. Some people want a craftsman house. Some people want to wear Adidas. Some people want Dodge Darts. All of those things are functionally the same as the rest of their brothers, but, somehow, people want them specifically because of their design.
 
2013-01-26 11:49:19 AM  
Is the answer the same as when this was posted 2 weeks ago?
 
2013-01-26 11:55:09 AM  

mitchcumstein1: edmo: Because it sucks?

Latest car I bought is a Toyota Hybrid. Love it.

When a state like California pushes the automakers to come up with better cars, companies like Toyota say "We can meet that challenge" and proceed to do so. Companies like Dodge says "this isn't reasonable, government is hindering business, this investment will never pay off."

Attitude is everything.

The smugness of this post knows no bounds.


Smug? Maybe...but it's true.
 
2013-01-26 11:55:31 AM  

colinspooky: Close. It actually start with an F and ends in iat. As as any European knows, that's a no-no when it comes to cars


and yet, the Fiat Panda took second in customer satisfaction (beaten only by the Lexus LS400), in Top Gear's last reader survey.

the lease rates on the Darts are too high. for a while the promotion was $3000 due at signing, $199 a month for a base model, manual transmission (a/c isn't standard!). now its $2250 and $149 a month for that model....but you can go get a Focus or Cruze at that price, or Civic for less, and not have to pay extra for a/c nor an automatic transmission with any of them.
 
2013-01-26 11:55:31 AM  
Yeah, I know it's a Valiant but this is what I think of when I hear "Dart."

www.carrentals.co.uk
 
2013-01-26 12:04:08 PM  
Should have realized Fark would screw this story up.
Meanwhile.
http://www.autonews.com/article/20130103/BLOG06/130109975
"Dodge Dart posts best sales month yet despite Avenger discounts
January 3, 2013 - 4:08 pm ET"

Meanwhile, check out this years crashing testing on Toyota and Honda, it's not so very good.
 
2013-01-26 12:11:08 PM  

sgnilward: Lets see...

Revive a nameplate from one of the worst decades of automobile manufacturing?

Check.


What? The late-'60s-early/mid-'70s A-bodies were legendary. They were Chrysler's best selling cars by far all the way until they were discontinued in favor of the Volare/Aspen, which were disastrous cars. A Dart/Valiant with a 225 Slant Six and a Torqueflite was truly one of the best cars ever made.

The current Dart's reputation has nothing to do with the revival of the nameplate. It has to do with the fact that its predecessors were terrible cars and nobody wants to take a chance on a lemon. Except me, I'd buy one tomorrow if I had the coin. I think it looks great and hits all the numbers I'm interested in.
 
2013-01-26 12:11:27 PM  
I like the 2013 Kia Rio

www.mydealehost.com

Not saying I'd pick that over the Dodge but I might.
 
2013-01-26 12:34:20 PM  

StrangeQ: Ishkur: Always thought it was counter-intuitive to name a car company after a word that essentially means "avoid".

I always thought their car names were rather amusing in general:
"Magnum"
"Challenger"
"Charger"
"Avenger"
"Caliber"
Always seemed like they were compensating for something...


Me too- it's like the guy who was in charge of naming condoms at Trojan quit and went to work for Dodge.
 
2013-01-26 12:35:01 PM  

edmo: Because it sucks?

Latest car I bought is a Toyota Hybrid. Love it.

When a state like California pushes the automakers to come up with better cars, companies like Toyota say "We can meet that challenge" and proceed to do so. Companies like Dodge says "this isn't reasonable, government is hindering business, this investment will never pay off."

Attitude is everything.


California didn't have shiat to do with the development of the Prius.  All California does is make gas more expensive for everyone else in the country.
 
2013-01-26 12:36:53 PM  
That's a sweet Neon.
 
2013-01-26 12:38:03 PM  

StrangeQ: Ishkur: Always thought it was counter-intuitive to name a car company after a word that essentially means "avoid".

I always thought their car names were rather amusing in general:
"Magnum"
"Challenger"
"Charger"
"Avenger"
"Caliber"
Always seemed like they were compensating for something...

But other than that..
Also causing trouble: the Dart's optional dual-clutch transmission, which, by CEO Sergio Marchionne's own admission, was too European for U.S. drivers.

That doesn't make any damn sense. Yeah, who would want a better, faster shifting transmission?


Well, at least they're words. What the hell is a "Corvair"? "Chevelle"? "Chevette"?
 
2013-01-26 12:43:08 PM  
Adolf Oliver Nipples:

A Dart/Valiant with a 225 Slant Six and a Torqueflite was truly one of the best cars ever made.


this. mopar slant 6's were probably the best engines ever to come out of Detroit, followed closely by the 318. when we were younger, a buddy of mine had a Dart with a slant 6. the body was rusted off of it and the oil pan was cracked, so we took it out in a field and tried to kill it off by beating the piss out of it. after a solid hour of donuts and doing our best Duke-boys impressions, we gave up trying to kill it and drove it to the junkyard.

/most of the body fell off, but the slant 6 kept humming
//the farmer who owned the field was a bit pissed at us
 
2013-01-26 12:47:44 PM  

bhcompy: Aesthetics. Some people want a craftsman house. Some people want to wear Adidas. Some people want Dodge Darts. All of those things are functionally the same as the rest of their brothers, but, somehow, people want them specifically because of their design.


There's a wee flaw to your argument.
 
2013-01-26 12:49:36 PM  

enry: bhcompy: Aesthetics. Some people want a craftsman house. Some people want to wear Adidas. Some people want Dodge Darts. All of those things are functionally the same as the rest of their brothers, but, somehow, people want them specifically because of their design.

There's a wee flaw to your argument.


Listen to all the people wanting their Darts of their youth in here. I didn't say modern ones(not that the car is awful looking)
 
2013-01-26 12:52:57 PM  

sgnilward: Lets see...

Revive a nameplate from one of the worst decades of automobile manufacturing?

Check.

Give it any of three transmissions no one wants?

Check.

Mopar?

Check.

Fiat too?

Check.

What else do you want?...


UAW
 
2013-01-26 12:56:05 PM  
It's irrelevant whether it's a good car or not. Mopar faithful will buy it because that's their brand. The problem is that your Focus, Civic, and (ugh) Carolla buyers simply aren't going to look at a more expensive Dodge. The transmission could have 10 speeds and it wouldn't matter. The decontented model just isn't good enough.
 
2013-01-26 12:59:10 PM  
Came in to make sure the slant six was mentioned. Glad that others loved that thing as much as I did.
The worst thing I ever owned was a dodge Dakota. Got rid of it as soon as I could.
 
2013-01-26 01:09:28 PM  

hypocaffeinemia: Probably a mini cooper countryman or something similar.


As someone who sold cars, I advise you stay away from a mini. Subaru WRX, Mitsubishi Evo, even a Nissan Juke would be recommendations based on what you're looking for. If you can live without four doors, a Honda S2000 was the most fun car I've ever owned. The new Honda CR-Z's are also pretty sharp.
 
2013-01-26 01:37:43 PM  

Fun Dumpster: That's a sweet Neon.


Yeah. I looked at the picture of it and I thought, that's a new Neon. I remember the Neon.

Now, I realize that this cannot possibly be a worse car than the Neon was.
 
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