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(Tech Dirt)   Proving that not all the stupid lives on the R side of the isle, Senator Yee (D-CA) gets pissy about yet another of his anti-violent games bills being shot down and says that "Gamers have no credibility in this argument" and need to shut up   (techdirt.com) divider line 346
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2013-01-26 07:35:27 AM  
Maybe we should instead be putting the onus on parents to actually pay the f*ck attention...
 
2013-01-26 07:49:34 AM  
As a liberal democrat, I just want to say this to the honorable gentleman from California:

"Shut up, Senator"

Video games have been around for about 30 years. How many people have actually died because of them? Now, in that time, how many people have died because of religion? Because of guns being taken away? Because of racism or homophobia?
 
2013-01-26 08:53:54 AM  

Aar1012: As a liberal democrat, I just want to say this to the honorable gentleman from California:

"Shut up, Senator"

Video games have been around for about 30 years. How many people have actually died because of them? Now, in that time, how many people have died because of religion? Because of guns being taken away? Because of racism or homophobia?


Yeah, this.
 
2013-01-26 09:10:55 AM  

Aar1012: As a liberal democrat, I just want to say this to the honorable gentleman from California:

"Shut up, Senator"

Video games have been around for about 30 years. How many people have actually died because of them? Now, in that time, how many people have died because of religion? Because of guns being taken away? Because of racism or homophobia?


People have actually died because of guns being taken away?  I'd like to know this actually.  Do you have any info on this or are you just making a list of things that piss  you off?
 
2013-01-26 09:16:33 AM  
I'm not a gamer because I suck at them, always have. But I love to watch my nephew play them because the graphics nowadays are incredible. It's an amazing art form (It's an art form Ebert, you fat fark). Even the ultra violent ones. Especially the ultra violent ones.

So let's crunch some numbers, shall we senator?. I have absolutely no data but we can guess. How many violent video games were sold last year? I'm guessing in the neighborhood of a metric shiatton. Multiply that by the average number of gamers who share each game sold. Now how many psycho shooters have there been last year? Any number is too high of course but even if every one of them were normal, well adjusted people who would otherwise be in dental school right now but snapped because they killed a hooker in Grand Theft Auto and started buying up guns, it's still not a bad ratio.

Stop trying to legislate every Goddamned thing just to justify your do nothing jobs, assholes.
 
2013-01-26 09:27:16 AM  
It's true, they do cause violence. Why, I've been playing too much Borderlands, and just the other day, I set a midget on fire with a grenade-tossing shotgun.
 
2013-01-26 09:46:04 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: It's true, they do cause violence. Why, I've been playing too much Borderlands, and just the other day, I set a midget on fire with a grenade-tossing shotgun.


I think that's just a $15 fine, you can mail it in.
 
2013-01-26 10:05:12 AM  
Violent video games are also popular in countries with a lot less violent and gun crime than the US. Shockingly, it seems to correlate more with gun laws and an intelligent approach to dealing with the sources of crime than it does with what movies and video games are popular.

Radical concept, I know.
 
2013-01-26 10:06:23 AM  
"Isle"? Is the right side of the "isle" where Gilligan lives?
 
2013-01-26 10:06:55 AM  
If violent video games are getting in the hands of young kids, that means parents are ignoring ESRB ratings, and thats on THEM. Few things bug me more than seeing 12 year olds or whatever at thos midnight releases for "BROWN N BLOOM MILITARY SHOOTER4: DEATH TO THE AMBIGUOUSLY BROWN". Play something else, Goddamn.
/unless he's talking about ALL video games being evil sources of social decay
//then he's just old and stupid
 
2013-01-26 10:07:25 AM  
i269.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-26 10:07:35 AM  
Even the President has chimed in, authorizing the CDC to perform a study to determine if any link exists between violent media (including video games) and so-called "gun violence."

Great point. What kind of an idiot calls it "gun violence" when some lunatic massacres 18 schoolchildren with a gun? What does that have to do with guns? For that matter, what the hell does it have to do with violence?
 
2013-01-26 10:09:53 AM  
Will there be a contingent of folks griping that until gamers come up with a solution and be reasonable to compromise instead of absolutists then they'll just be ignored?
 
2013-01-26 10:10:18 AM  

Mugato: I'm not a gamer because I suck at them, always have. But I love to watch my nephew play them because the graphics nowadays are incredible. It's an amazing art form (It's an art form Ebert, you fat fark). Even the ultra violent ones. Especially the ultra violent ones.


I'm the same way, except that I watch my husband play. I tell him to call me in when it comes to a cut scene...I just want to see the story, not really "play" it. There should be more "choose your own adventure" games for people like me. He doesn't play them with the children around, though...much to violent. We've discussed the matter of when the children can play them, and we've decided to wait until they are older. I'd rather them play and use their imaginations while they are young, and I've also seen way too many bad-mannered kids bringing their handheld game systems to social functions and completely ignore what was going on around them. There's definitely a good and bad side to gaming, but it shouldn't be regulated by the government...it should be the parents taking some responsibility and giving kids limits.
 
2013-01-26 10:11:29 AM  
I hear banning videogames is how Canada and Japan have nearly eliminated gun violence.

Wait...
 
2013-01-26 10:12:49 AM  

Aar1012: Video games have been around for about 30 years. How many people have actually died because of them?


You cannot be serious. Have you been living under a rock? Did you watch the news at all last month, when some lunatic took a semi-automatic video game into an elementary school, and picked off schoolkids one by one?
 
2013-01-26 10:13:09 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: I hear banning videogames is how Canada and Japan have nearly eliminated gun violence.

Wait...


Odd that you don't mention Australia...
 
2013-01-26 10:16:14 AM  
So Yee is treating gamers the way the Republicans treat women? "Shut up, us grown-ups have to go make some important decisions about you."
 
2013-01-26 10:17:17 AM  
Well yeah, how can you form a proper opinion on video games if you've actually played them? That's why we never to listen to anyone who's used drugs when we set drug policies, or to women when we legislate their vaginas.
 
2013-01-26 10:19:42 AM  

bborchar: I'm the same way, except that I watch my husband play. I tell him to call me in when it comes to a cut scene...I just want to see the story, not really "play" it. There should be more "choose your own adventure" games for people like me. He doesn't play them with the children around, though...much to violent. We've discussed the matter of when the children can play them, and we've decided to wait until they are older. I'd rather them play and use their imaginations while they are young, and I've also seen way too many bad-mannered kids bringing their handheld game systems to social functions and completely ignore what was going on around them. There's definitely a good and bad side to gaming, but it shouldn't be regulated by the government...it should be the parents taking some responsibility and giving kids limits.


Check out The Walking Dead on Steam. It is basically a modern choose your own adventure.

/end threadjack
 
2013-01-26 10:21:01 AM  

LasersHurt: Uranus Is Huge!: I hear banning videogames is how Canada and Japan have nearly eliminated gun violence.

Wait...

Odd that you don't mention Australia...


My point that was Japan and Canada play the same games, and don't have gun violence at rates anywhere close to ours.

In Australia, they are stricter about violence (blood and gore) in videogames and assault weapons are banned and their gun violence rate is much lower

We are on the same side of this argument. I'm not sure what you're inferring.
 
2013-01-26 10:22:13 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: My point that was Japan and Canada play the same games, and don't have gun violence at rates anywhere close to ours.

In Australia, they are stricter about violence (blood and gore) in videogames and assault weapons are banned and their gun violence rate is much lower

We are on the same side of this argument. I'm not sure what you're inferring.


Obviously not scientific, but Ten-country comparison suggests there's little or no link between video games and gun murders
 
2013-01-26 10:24:26 AM  
If video games cause violence, shouldn't the violent crime rate be going up since the invention of video games, not DOWN.
 
2013-01-26 10:25:09 AM  
The CDC, really? Shouldn't their resources be better spent curing shiat and working on the zombie situation?
 
2013-01-26 10:25:42 AM  
Obviously nobody in this thread remembers the time that weirdo excuted a playground full of kindergarteners with nothing but a Wii nunchuk and a copy of CoD: Black Ops.
 
2013-01-26 10:28:31 AM  
So...the stubby is naive enough to think Only ONE of our political parties is populated by fools? He must be being sarcastic. They are BOTH hypocritical morons.
 
2013-01-26 10:28:39 AM  
First they came for the smokers,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a smoker.

Then they came for the gun owners,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a gun owner.

Then they came for the gamers,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a gamer.

Then they came for the first amendment,

www.limitstogrowth.org

and there was no one left to speak for the first amendment.

/we're not a country anymore
//we're just a bunch of gangs trying to game our rotting institutions to give our gang the biggest advantage when everything falls apart
 
2013-01-26 10:29:51 AM  

Mugato: working on the zombie situation?


THIS ^
 
2013-01-26 10:29:59 AM  

Aar1012: As a liberal democrat, I just want to say this to the honorable gentleman from California:

"Shut up, Senator"

Video games have been around for about 30 years. How many people have actually died because of them? Now, in that time, how many people have died because of religion? Because of guns being taken away? Because of racism or homophobia?


you are missing the point.
video games desensitize people to violent behavior.
that violent behavior gets manifested in many ways including some of the ones you mentioned (although I don't get the people getting killed because their guns were taken away).
 
2013-01-26 10:31:25 AM  
You people have no concept of how painful a gator bite on your 'wee-wee' can be.
www.texturemonkey.com
Choot 'em?
 
2013-01-26 10:32:23 AM  

hubiestubert: Maybe we should instead be putting the onus on parents to actually pay the f*ck attention...


you are missing the point.
the government is trying to be the parent (can't have a 17 ounce soda in NYC) and lots of sheeple are fine with that.
 
2013-01-26 10:34:01 AM  
Damn. Even a thread where we all likely agee gets all crudded up with derp inside of 30 posts.
 
2013-01-26 10:34:19 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: you are missing the point.
video games desensitize people to violent behavior.
that violent behavior gets manifested in many ways including some of the ones you mentioned (although I don't get the people getting killed because their guns were taken away).


Are you being sarcastic or are you seri---oh it's you. Nevermind.
 
2013-01-26 10:36:12 AM  
When I see the Democratic party endorsing this kind of idiocy as a major part of their platform, I'll take the "both sidez" thing more seriously.
 
2013-01-26 10:37:30 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: that violent behavior gets manifested in many ways including some of the ones you mentioned


If that were true, you would expect violent crime to correlate with increased use of video games. But as someone smartly pointed out above, if there is a correlation, it is an inverse correlation. Though I don't believe the two are related, the empirical data does better support a thesis opposite to yours, that video games decrease violent behavior.

That seems counter-intuitive, but there could even be theoretical justifications for it. For example, maybe violent video games give violence prone people an outlet. Or maybe violence prone people just spend too much time playing video games to go around being violent.
 
2013-01-26 10:42:37 AM  

beta_plus: [www.limitstogrowth.org image 600x349]


How do people continue to not understand how parole (and their violations thereof) works?
 
2013-01-26 10:45:40 AM  

Aar1012: As a liberal democrat, I just want to say this to the honorable gentleman from California:

"Shut up, Senator"

Video games have been around for about 30 years. How many people have actually died because of them? Now, in that time, how many people have died because of religion? Because of guns being taken away? Because of racism or homophobia?


You make the mistake that this asshats whole argument is based on logic or even a morsal of truth. This idiots would rather blame something they either don't like or understand. Games, Music, other (non-christian) religions.

Until we limit this fktards they will continue to hold these jobs by keeping the paranoid folks frothing at the mouth over this type of bullshiat instead of actually trying to find solutions to the issues at hand.

/plus, killing in the name of (your favorite diety) is what good god(dess) fearing folks do.
 
2013-01-26 10:45:40 AM  

mittromneysdog: Even the President has chimed in, authorizing the CDC to perform a study to determine if any link exists between violent media (including video games) and so-called "gun violence."

Great point. What kind of an idiot calls it "gun violence" when some lunatic massacres 18 schoolchildren with a gun? What does that have to do with guns? For that matter, what the hell does it have to do with violence?


I think he was referring to the "so called gun violence resulting from the viewing of violent videos and games". So called because there are few viable studies out there that have sucessfully linked the viewing of violent media as being the cause of acts of violence. Noone would doubt that any type of crime involving the use of a firearm- especially in a massacre of innocents-- would be considered anything other than non-violent.
 
2013-01-26 10:48:27 AM  

ReverendJasen: So Yee is treating gamers the way the Republicans treat women? "Shut up, us grown-ups have to go make some important decisions about you."


Off topic: 1/10 (but only because I responded)
 
2013-01-26 10:50:19 AM  

Aar1012: Video games have been around for about 30 years. How many people have actually died because of them? Now, in that time, how many people have died because of religion? Because of guns being taken away? Because of racism or homophobia?


Not to mention that countries like Japan have really extreme video games AND a lower crime rate.
 
2013-01-26 10:54:07 AM  
The NRA approves of this distraction.
 
2013-01-26 10:54:15 AM  
What an odd patriot who would strike down the first amendment to protect the second.
 
2013-01-26 10:55:23 AM  

bonkmeist: bborchar: I'm the same way, except that I watch my husband play. I tell him to call me in when it comes to a cut scene...I just want to see the story, not really "play" it. There should be more "choose your own adventure" games for people like me. He doesn't play them with the children around, though...much to violent. We've discussed the matter of when the children can play them, and we've decided to wait until they are older. I'd rather them play and use their imaginations while they are young, and I've also seen way too many bad-mannered kids bringing their handheld game systems to social functions and completely ignore what was going on around them. There's definitely a good and bad side to gaming, but it shouldn't be regulated by the government...it should be the parents taking some responsibility and giving kids limits.

Check out The Walking Dead on Steam. It is basically a modern choose your own adventure.

/end threadjack


Heck, pretty much anything Telltale makes fits that mode.

As far as Mr. Yee, I'm trying to think of who'd have less credibility in this argument than the author of a law that got smacked down by the Supreme Court with extreme prejudice, and I can't think of any.

Oh, and if you'd like to show Mr. Yee how quiet you can be, here's how you can do that.
 
2013-01-26 10:56:00 AM  

clowncar on fire: mittromneysdog: Even the President has chimed in, authorizing the CDC to perform a study to determine if any link exists between violent media (including video games) and so-called "gun violence."

Great point. What kind of an idiot calls it "gun violence" when some lunatic massacres 18 schoolchildren with a gun? What does that have to do with guns? For that matter, what the hell does it have to do with violence?

I think he was referring to the "so called gun violence resulting from the viewing of violent videos and games". So called because there are few viable studies out there that have sucessfully linked the viewing of violent media as being the cause of acts of violence. Noone would doubt that any type of crime involving the use of a firearm- especially in a massacre of innocents-- would be considered anything other than non-violent.


He may have meant that, but that sure isn't what he said. He used the phrase "gun violence" as though it wasn't even a real concept. Maybe he's just guilty of bad writing instead of dumb thoughts. No telling.
 
2013-01-26 10:56:04 AM  

BronyMedic: What an odd patriot who would strike down the first amendment to protect the second.


Mr. Yee isn't a big fan of the second, either. He just hates the first.
 
2013-01-26 10:57:26 AM  

HeartBurnKid: BronyMedic: What an odd patriot who would strike down the first amendment to protect the second.

Mr. Yee isn't a big fan of the second, either. He just hates the first.


I've been addicted to Hitman:Absolution lately.

It's got incredible Video Game Cruelty Potential. Nothing like setting a man on fire by swapping grilling hot sauce with lighter fluid, or uncoupling a high voltage line where he goes to piss on it.
 
2013-01-26 10:59:44 AM  

BronyMedic: HeartBurnKid: BronyMedic: What an odd patriot who would strike down the first amendment to protect the second.

Mr. Yee isn't a big fan of the second, either. He just hates the first.

I've been addicted to Hitman:Absolution lately.

It's got incredible Video Game Cruelty Potential. Nothing like setting a man on fire by swapping grilling hot sauce with lighter fluid, or uncoupling a high voltage line where he goes to piss on it.


Sleeping Dogs has been my poison of choice lately. I think the last time I've enjoyed a GTA clone this much was GTA: San Andreas (which isn't technically a clone, but you get my point). The story is gripping, and melee combat is fun. Firefights are kind of difficult to control, but at least they got the feel right.
 
2013-01-26 11:01:08 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: I'm not sure what you're inferring.


I'm not sure either, I wrote that pre-coffee and I'm really not sure what I meant.
 
2013-01-26 11:02:55 AM  
(shrinks WoW to a window) What's the problem now?
 
2013-01-26 11:09:32 AM  

Alphax: (shrinks WoW to a window) What's the problem now?


The problem is that as soon as you turn that game off you're going to head straight to the nearest church with your Dwarven Hand Cannon and wind up in the papers tomorrow. Psycho.
 
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