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(Deadspin)   A lip reader tells us what the umpires and managers were screaming about in the best arguments of 2012. Bonus - Joe Girardi informs "Cowboy" Joe West what everyone thinks of him   (deadspin.com) divider line 48
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2013-01-26 10:48:54 AM  
This is awesome.
 
2013-01-26 11:01:42 AM  
People keep saying this, but I'll echo it: I want to watch sports mic'd up and uncensored. Who do I have to pay to make that happen?
 
2013-01-26 11:07:54 AM  

The Bestest: People keep saying this, but I'll echo it: I want to watch sports mic'd up and uncensored. Who do I have to pay to make that happen?


I would love it if they offered the "ballpark experience" option.

NO tv announcers. Just the sounds of the ballpark, the same as if you were there.
 
2013-01-26 11:11:04 AM  
I want to watch Yankee games and drink beer all season with this deaf dude.
 
2013-01-26 11:24:03 AM  
Interesting, but not really surprising

And I agree with the sentiment of watching sports mic'd up. I would love to hear how officials defend their call

There is a hockey tournament in Switzerland called the Davos Cup, where they have had the refs mic for tv broadcast.

The only problem I have is that, as a rule, pro athletes aren't terribly intelligent. Some players can be speaking english, and I have absolutely no fricken clue as to what they are saying. Football is the worst for that, imo.

On a semi related note, I absolutely love watching "bad lip reading" on youtube. It's lowbrow, which is generally not my thing, but man it cracks me up.
 
2013-01-26 11:36:52 AM  

UncleStumpy: On a semi related note, I absolutely love watching "bad lip reading" on youtube. It's lowbrow, which is generally not my thing, but man it cracks me up.


I'm not so sure it's as low brow as you think. Part of the draw of BLR for me is the kind of "Playing Dark Side of the Moon in sync with The Wizard of Oz" found moments of brilliance.

In an related note, I'd gladly suffer the odd stupid assertion by players to see the strategy used by coaches and experienced players working the officials and the officials using their standing to try and do their jobs. I could stand to watch a meta game played over top of the featured game.
 
2013-01-26 11:37:06 AM  

Basily Gourt: The Bestest: People keep saying this, but I'll echo it: I want to watch sports mic'd up and uncensored. Who do I have to pay to make that happen?

I would love it if they offered the "ballpark experience" option.

NO tv announcers. Just the sounds of the ballpark, the same as if you were there.


Disconnect your center channel speaker. On most competently-engineered broadcasts, the announcers are patched to the center channel discretely. On others there's a bit of bleed into the L and R channels but I do this for a living and can assure you on a 5.1 broadcast muting the center channel removes the announcers.
 
2013-01-26 11:42:39 AM  
t1.gstatic.com

"It's a skill, Jerry. Like juggling."
 
2013-01-26 11:52:07 AM  
Never should have brought him and his "I'm bigger than the game" attitude back in 2002. Only ump worse than him is Bucknor, and the only reason West beats him out is that Bucknor is both a toolbag and incompetent, whereas West is just a toolbag.
 
2013-01-26 11:58:45 AM  

Basily Gourt: The Bestest: People keep saying this, but I'll echo it: I want to watch sports mic'd up and uncensored. Who do I have to pay to make that happen?

I would love it if they offered the "ballpark experience" option.

NO tv announcers. Just the sounds of the ballpark, the same as if you were there.


MLB.tv. Select the home team's video. Click on the audio options. One is just the ballpark.

You're welcome.
 
2013-01-26 12:02:09 PM  

Basily Gourt: The Bestest: People keep saying this, but I'll echo it: I want to watch sports mic'd up and uncensored. Who do I have to pay to make that happen?

I would love it if they offered the "ballpark experience" option.

NO tv announcers. Just the sounds of the ballpark, the same as if you were there.


The Mets (?) tried this for an inning a few years ago.  And some NFL (College?) game was done 100% without announcers back in the 70's.  By all accounts it sucked.

Yes, many announcers are annoying as hell.  But without them, it really doesn't work.
 
2013-01-26 12:04:32 PM  

Bitter Polish Adjutant: Never should have brought him and his "I'm bigger than the game" attitude back in 2002. Only ump worse than him is Bucknor, and the only reason West beats him out is that Bucknor is both a toolbag and incompetent, whereas West is just a toolbag.


Davidson is pretty awful, too. It's kind of staggering how bad some umpires are and how detrimental they are to the game. I wish they never rehired the crappy farksticks back then.
 
2013-01-26 12:05:14 PM  
That's pretty good, I read lips (legally deaf and rely on nearly half of a conversation to come from reading lips), and even I had some trouble on a lot of those. Though they are pretty small and like he said, it's harder on T.V.

I loved his explanation of how lip reading is done though. Usually when I say I read lips people will start mouthing obscene stuff mixed in with great facial morphing just to try and screw me up and call me out when I don't get it all. It's just one piece of the puzzle.
 
2013-01-26 12:15:58 PM  
Has there ever been a single instance where the coach has come out of the dugout to argue with the umpire and ANYTHING useful was accomplished?
 
2013-01-26 12:18:14 PM  

The Madd Mann: Has there ever been a single instance where the coach has come out of the dugout to argue with the umpire and ANYTHING useful was accomplished?


Sure, it usually gets the team and fans pumped up, I think there is a psychological factor for the home team.
 
2013-01-26 12:33:59 PM  
So who gets an orange peanut this time?
 
2013-01-26 12:43:35 PM  
What article author might look like:
lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-01-26 12:45:13 PM  

marius2: The Madd Mann: Has there ever been a single instance where the coach has come out of the dugout to argue with the umpire and ANYTHING useful was accomplished?

Sure, it usually gets the team and fans pumped up, I think there is a psychological factor for the home team.


I'm sure if a manager knows he's got a legitimate case, he'll probably be more tactful so his team can get the benefit of a corrected call. Those situations are few and far between in any sport, of course, since it's all mostly judgment calls. For the most part it's always been for show and everyone involved knows it. It's part of the culture of baseball.

Anyway, speaking as a soccer referee, much like these umpires my number one pet peeve is players or team personnel questioning my ability or ESPECIALLY my knowledge. I don't ace all the tests every year to have some asshole coach who doesn't know the Laws of the Game from a box of dicks spend 90 minutes telling me I don't know what I'm doing. Granted, all the written tests in the world don't substitute for on the field practical knowledge, but you can be assured that I know my shiat.
 
2013-01-26 12:48:02 PM  
I disagree with what he had said...
It looks as if he said "You got F'n shiat a**hole
 
2013-01-26 12:54:17 PM  
I can't see him saying "all right" after a cursed-fueled rant either. One would typically end it with "A**hole" Am I the only one the sees this?
 
2013-01-26 12:57:43 PM  
Joe West is the worst. He makes bullshiat calls from the other end of the field just to get someone to argue it and get thrown out. He umpires like in his mind, a bunch of people will ask for his autograph after the game because he is such a star.
 
2013-01-26 01:01:12 PM  

Droog8912: Bitter Polish Adjutant: Never should have brought him and his "I'm bigger than the game" attitude back in 2002. Only ump worse than him is Bucknor, and the only reason West beats him out is that Bucknor is both a toolbag and incompetent, whereas West is just a toolbag.

Davidson is pretty awful, too. It's kind of staggering how bad some umpires are and how detrimental they are to the game. I wish they never rehired the crappy farksticks back then.


Yeah, Davidson has his moments too, but like most of the old timers (especially the old NL guys, since I'm a Phillies fan) I've gotten used to them......except West, I have an almost irrational hatred of that man, and have since I started really following baseball in '86.
 
2013-01-26 01:27:27 PM  

The Bestest: People keep saying this, but I'll echo it: I want to watch sports mic'd up and uncensored. Who do I have to pay to make that happen?


it's one of the things I love about those old NFL films, you get to hear all the trash talk. I'd pay for that. We all know they pick up everything.
 
2013-01-26 01:31:19 PM  
Clint Hurlde was kinda pathetic. Just shuffling around near the third base umpire, not making eye contact... it was like "eject me, please," and the umpire finally rolled his eyes, caved in and said "if I eject you, will you just get the fark out of here so we can get on with the game? Okay, here you go."
 
2013-01-26 02:07:33 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: The Bestest: People keep saying this, but I'll echo it: I want to watch sports mic'd up and uncensored. Who do I have to pay to make that happen?

it's one of the things I love about those old NFL films, you get to hear all the trash talk. I'd pay for that. We all know they pick up everything.


Watch the NHL 24/7 series, they show a healthy amount of trash talking. The first year was better than the second, but they're both excellent up close looks at hockey and pro sport in general.
 
2013-01-26 02:09:20 PM  

macadamnut: [t1.gstatic.com image 269x186]

"It's a skill, Jerry. Like juggling."


Niiiiiice reference.
 
2013-01-26 02:13:10 PM  
I can't watch videos from work, but does it have Vin Scully's "bleeping fertilizer" call?
 
2013-01-26 02:14:28 PM  

cptjeff: DeathByGeekSquad: The Bestest: People keep saying this, but I'll echo it: I want to watch sports mic'd up and uncensored. Who do I have to pay to make that happen?

it's one of the things I love about those old NFL films, you get to hear all the trash talk. I'd pay for that. We all know they pick up everything.

Watch the NHL 24/7 series, they show a healthy amount of trash talking. The first year was better than the second, but they're both excellent up close looks at hockey and pro sport in general.


But it's hockey :(
 
2013-01-26 02:20:21 PM  

The Bestest: : I want to watch sports mic'd up and uncensored.


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No you don't.
 
2013-01-26 02:29:17 PM  

The Bestest: People keep saying this, but I'll echo it: I want to watch sports mic'd up and uncensored. Who do I have to pay to make that happen?


I would love this too.  As a separate channel.  They already do it for 4 NASCAR drivers each week... you get the full radio, swearing/trash talking and all.
 
2013-01-26 02:42:19 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: cptjeff: DeathByGeekSquad: The Bestest: People keep saying this, but I'll echo it: I want to watch sports mic'd up and uncensored. Who do I have to pay to make that happen?

it's one of the things I love about those old NFL films, you get to hear all the trash talk. I'd pay for that. We all know they pick up everything.

Watch the NHL 24/7 series, they show a healthy amount of trash talking. The first year was better than the second, but they're both excellent up close looks at hockey and pro sport in general.

But it's hockey :(


Yes, it's hockey. A brilliant sport that you'll probably have a much better appreciation for after watching one of the best sports programs in a very long time.
 
2013-01-26 02:53:08 PM  
can someone explain to me why umpires are such a strong group in MLB? Is there a history to this?

The amount of self-aggrandizing and antagonistic behaviour by umpires is outrageous. The way umps have their own strike zones is fundamentally contrary to the essence of a fair game. I'm just amazed that a game as focused on statistical minutia is so tolerant of arbitrary enforcement of the rules.

i would love to see MLB spend a year with the NFL's replay system. Let's just see how the game is when we focus on getting the call right rather than argument theatre.
 
2013-01-26 03:02:40 PM  

The Madd Mann: Has there ever been a single instance where the coach has come out of the dugout to argue with the umpire and ANYTHING useful was accomplished?


Manny Acta once had a call overturned. The first base umpire called a guy out when the first baseman had juggled the catch (he was screened from this). Acta comes out and gets the first base ump to appeal to the home plate ump, who tells him the baseman juggled it, and the guy's safe. First time I've ever seen a successful argument.
 
2013-01-26 03:10:37 PM  

cptjeff: But it's hockey :(

Yes, it's hockey. A brilliant sport that you'll probably have a much better appreciation for after watching one of the best sports programs in a very long time.


Honestly, I don't think you even need to like or follow hockey to enjoy the 24/7 series. It's a ridiculously well produced and well made program that can appeal to anyone who at least appreciates athletic competition and the various trials and tribulations of it.
 
2013-01-26 03:25:43 PM  
I'll just leave this here: Link
 
2013-01-26 03:34:57 PM  

Basily Gourt: The Bestest: People keep saying this, but I'll echo it: I want to watch sports mic'd up and uncensored. Who do I have to pay to make that happen?

I would love it if they offered the "ballpark experience" option.

NO tv announcers. Just the sounds of the ballpark, the same as if you were there.


I don't know if it works on all channels, but if you have HD and a surround sound system, just unplug the center channel. It makes sports on Fox so much more enjoyable.
 
2013-01-26 03:38:48 PM  
Help me burn that old man. Don't offend me.
 
2013-01-26 03:42:37 PM  
He wants to take the ump.... to Fuddrucker's!

/"you gotta try the ground chuck, you!"
 
2013-01-26 04:52:47 PM  

downstairs: The Bestest: People keep saying this, but I'll echo it: I want to watch sports mic'd up and uncensored. Who do I have to pay to make that happen?

I would love this too.  As a separate channel.  They already do it for 4 NASCAR drivers each week... you get the full radio, swearing/trash talking and all.


Uh... I think I read somewhere last week that the Hotpass thing was not happening this year. You get one guess as to why and it's not because any team raised a fuss.
 
2013-01-26 05:41:27 PM  

desertgeek: You get one guess as to why and it's not because any team raised a fuss.


It was produced by DirecTV, who's pulling out of NASCAR sponsorship.
 
2013-01-26 06:04:52 PM  

lacydog: First time I've ever seen a successful argument.


That isn't really an argument, it is an appeal to the ump that had the view. It happens now and then, usually when the ball comes loose in a way where the usual ump is on the other side of the players from the ball. I've seen it half a dozen times.
 
2013-01-26 06:36:24 PM  

cptjeff: DeathByGeekSquad: The Bestest: People keep saying this, but I'll echo it: I want to watch sports mic'd up and uncensored. Who do I have to pay to make that happen?

it's one of the things I love about those old NFL films, you get to hear all the trash talk. I'd pay for that. We all know they pick up everything.

Watch the NHL 24/7 series, they show a healthy amount of trash talking. The first year was better than the second, but they're both excellent up close looks at hockey and pro sport in general.


Brad Richards' work with Tom Sestito on the Rangers-Flyers one was one for the ages
 
2013-01-26 09:21:45 PM  

lacydog: The Madd Mann: Has there ever been a single instance where the coach has come out of the dugout to argue with the umpire and ANYTHING useful was accomplished?

Manny Acta once had a call overturned. The first base umpire called a guy out when the first baseman had juggled the catch (he was screened from this). Acta comes out and gets the first base ump to appeal to the home plate ump, who tells him the baseman juggled it, and the guy's safe. First time I've ever seen a successful argument.


This happens occasionally. Usually the MLB umps are really good about doing this on their own it's just not usually don't cut to on TV and most announcers either don't realize it's going on (Sterling) or don't relay the information. Most of the time it manifests in the home plate umpire looking at the third base umpire to make a call on a swing/no swing call.
 
2013-01-26 11:16:05 PM  

The Madd Mann: Has there ever been a single instance where the coach has come out of the dugout to argue with the umpire and ANYTHING useful was accomplished?


Game 6 of the 2004 ALCS.

In the 4th inning, Mark Bellhorn had a hit that was initially ruled in play, but was changed to a home run after Terry Francona came out to argue; this made the score 4-0 instead of 1-0.

In the 8th inning, A-Rod slapped the ball out of Bronson Arroyo's glove; it was initially ruled a hit but A-Rod was called out after argument and review. This reversal erased a run that would have made the score 4-3 with a runner on second and one out.
 
2013-01-27 05:13:26 PM  

The Bestest: desertgeek: You get one guess as to why and it's not because any team raised a fuss.

It was produced by DirecTV, who's pulling out of NASCAR sponsorship.


Damn, that sucks.
 
2013-01-27 08:05:30 PM  
Out of curiosity, and I'm not even a Deadspin hater, why does fark always link to a Deadspin article that was originally elsewhere (such as this one from Baseball Prospectus) instead of the original story? Doesn't that go against the regular fark ideal of giving credit to original content holders?
 
2013-01-28 08:49:42 AM  

bubbaprog: Basily Gourt: The Bestest: People keep saying this, but I'll echo it: I want to watch sports mic'd up and uncensored. Who do I have to pay to make that happen?

I would love it if they offered the "ballpark experience" option.

NO tv announcers. Just the sounds of the ballpark, the same as if you were there.

Disconnect your center channel speaker. On most competently-engineered broadcasts, the announcers are patched to the center channel discretely. On others there's a bit of bleed into the L and R channels but I do this for a living and can assure you on a 5.1 broadcast muting the center channel removes the announcers.


Larry Mahnken: Basily Gourt: The Bestest: People keep saying this, but I'll echo it: I want to watch sports mic'd up and uncensored. Who do I have to pay to make that happen?

I would love it if they offered the "ballpark experience" option.

NO tv announcers. Just the sounds of the ballpark, the same as if you were there.

MLB.tv. Select the home team's video. Click on the audio options. One is just the ballpark.

You're welcome.


Good info. Thanks a bunch!
 
2013-01-28 04:07:15 PM  

skrame: Out of curiosity, and I'm not even a Deadspin hater, why does fark always link to a Deadspin article that was originally elsewhere (such as this one from Baseball Prospectus) instead of the original story? Doesn't that go against the regular fark ideal of giving credit to original content holders?


Sometimes a Gawker blog will buy a column from another website and republish it themselves, like newspapers getting something from the AP wire. As far as Fark linking to them, I'm not sure any more, but Baseball Prospectus used to be behind a paywall so you couldn't read their stuff without buying the book or a membership or whatever. Deadspin's repost might be the only way to read it for free.
 
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