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(Daily Mail)   Paedophile uses the "I didn't know I couldn't have sex with 13 year old girls because I'm a Muslim" defense. Fark: It worked   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 159
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2013-01-25 10:18:01 PM  
He was just emulating the Prophet.
 
2013-01-25 10:29:05 PM  

teto85: He was just emulating the Prophet.


Well if he had been Catholic it would have been 7 year old boy
 
2013-01-25 10:32:21 PM  

teto85: He was just emulating the Prophet.


Is this like worshipping the Bishop?
/or whatever the saying is.
 
2013-01-25 10:33:31 PM  
he was let go? brits your legal system is broken .
 
2013-01-25 10:54:39 PM  
he can't have sex with 13 year old girls because he's a muslim?  Man, I really thought the UK was more progressive than that.
 
2013-01-25 10:55:54 PM  

sithon: he was let go? brits your legal system is broken .


Honestly it's hard to tell with the Daily Mail reporting. Could be entirely made up. That would be less surprising than if it was true in full.
 
2013-01-25 10:59:01 PM  
I call shenanigans on this one, needs a more believable source than The Daily Fail.
 
2013-01-25 11:35:57 PM  

MacEnvy: sithon: he was let go? brits your legal system is broken .

Honestly it's hard to tell with the Daily Mail reporting. Could be entirely made up. That would be less surprising than if it was true in full.


There is always at least one significant piece of information missing when the Fail reports to stir up outrage.
 
2013-01-26 12:01:28 AM  
"In other interviews with psychologists, Rashid claimed he had been taught in his school that 'women are no more worthy than a lollipop that has been dropped on the ground;."

And to reinforce that belief, the judge lets him go.  Way to value women UK.
 
2013-01-26 12:03:46 AM  
*scans headline*

lacigreen.tv
 
2013-01-26 12:04:40 AM  
"I didn't know I couldn't cut his heart out with a flint knife because I'm an Aztec."
 
2013-01-26 12:07:20 AM  
Added he was reluctant to have sex but that he was 'tempted by [the girl]'

Ah, yes, it's her fault.

You know, I can't figure out why Christians and Muslims don't get along. They have so much in common.
 
2013-01-26 12:36:11 AM  
I call shenanigans on this one, and I want more information. The brief blurb the Daily Fail presents makes it sound like the guy was basically raised in a cult which groomed him for what he did from an early age. I'm willing to bet based on that they put up some sort of mental defense, based on the fact the defense claimed he didn't have the capacity to understand it was wrong to do it.

Also, 13 is ephebophile, not pedophile.
 
2013-01-26 12:43:40 AM  

BronyMedic: I call shenanigans on this one, and I want more information. The brief blurb the Daily Fail presents makes it sound like the guy was basically raised in a cult which groomed him for what he did from an early age. I'm willing to bet based on that they put up some sort of mental defense, based on the fact the defense claimed he didn't have the capacity to understand it was wrong to do it.

Also, 13 is ephebophile, not pedophile.


In all fairness, the Daily Fail is about as accurate and informative as public restroom graffiti.
 
2013-01-26 12:45:18 AM  
If I'm reading it right it was statutory rape, not violent rape. The judge felt he didn't break the law on purpose or use violence and locking him up in jail would likely lead to him leaving jail a worse person than he is now.

The only reason this is a story is because he's a Muslim.
 
2013-01-26 12:45:42 AM  

BronyMedic: Also, 13 is ephebophile, not pedophile.


Thank you.

/yes, it matters
 
2013-01-26 12:48:04 AM  
Bailiff... whack his peepee
 
2013-01-26 01:00:55 AM  
Whatever happened to that "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" thing?
 
2013-01-26 01:02:16 AM  
I doubt the Daily Fail got the details of the story right.
 
2013-01-26 01:11:54 AM  

teto85: He was just emulating the Prophet.


doesnt he have to marry her now?? esp since she is unclean??
WTF is wrong with the judge?
WTF is wrong with ANYONE for using this defense??

WTF!
 
2013-01-26 01:26:50 AM  
FTFA: But the judge said that because Rashid was 'passive' and 'lacking assertiveness', sending him to jail might cause him 'more damage than good'. Rashid, from Birmingham, admitted he had sex with the girl, saying he had been 'tempted by her' after they met online.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-26 01:29:29 AM  

ShawnDoc: The only reason this is a story is because he's a Muslim.


i.imgur.com

I think we actually have some footage of what the Daily Mail editors did when the story arrived.
 
2013-01-26 01:55:17 AM  

Ed Finnerty: In all fairness, the Daily Fail is about as accurate and informative as public restroom graffiti.


I know! Shelia was defininately NOT a good time. 3 rounds of Penicillin later and it STILL itches.
 
2013-01-26 02:01:30 AM  

teto85: He was just emulating the Prophet.


i.imgur.com

Pretty much everything 'known'/written about A'isha Bint Abi Bakr (hundreds of years later by medieval male clerics) has been highly controversial since the beginning.
 
2013-01-26 02:27:11 AM  
Yeah, I think this is a case of statutory rape, not forcible rape. And I don't think I'd really call an emotionally immature 18 yo boy a pedophile for sleeping with a 13 year old.

BronyMedic: Also, 13 is ephebophile, not pedophile.


No, it's a hebephile actually.
 
2013-01-26 02:31:07 AM  
It's absolutely true because I read it in the Daily Mail.
 
2013-01-26 02:35:01 AM  
img825.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-26 02:36:25 AM  
And the non-Mail (AKA true) version of the story is...
 
2013-01-26 02:37:02 AM  
But the judge said that because Rashid was 'passive' and 'lacking assertiveness', sending him to jail might cause him 'more damage than good'.

I wonder what the damage/good tradeoff is for setting the precedent that ignorance a valid excuse for rape.
 
2013-01-26 02:37:24 AM  
Any non-Daily Mail source? Assuming none of this ever happened or the 13 year old girl was actually a sheep or something.
 
2013-01-26 02:38:04 AM  

Silvara: No, it's a hebephile actually.


Great, add some anti-Semitism to the story. Just great.
 
2013-01-26 02:38:42 AM  
FTA : The girl told police they stayed at the hotel for two hours and had sex after Rashid went to the bathroom and emerged wearing a condom.

Smooooth.
 
2013-01-26 02:44:35 AM  
Living in Japan, I just have to say: There, but for the grace of God, go I.

Everywhere you look here, everything is overtly sexualized. And age is something hard to pin down. Is that girl in her school uniform with her skirt hiked up with the hem just below her bottom 13 or 23? And the temptation on the escalator and stairs to stop staring at the floor and just look up for a second, I swear, just a peek, and enjoy the delights the girl so wantonly displays. If I say hello and try to make conversation, am I going to be talking to a school girl on her way to school or to an adult woman playing dress up? If she smiles back and comes closer, I can't believe there's no other choice than to step away out of fear of the law. Such supple thighs. Wonderfully pert breasts. Long black hair and eyes gleaming with pure sexual evil.

Every day is a battle. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. You only hope that when you lose, the police don't come knocking.
 
2013-01-26 02:44:48 AM  
Daily Outrage link? Daily Outrage link.
 
2013-01-26 02:44:49 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Any non-Daily Mail source? Assuming none of this ever happened or the 13 year old girl was actually a sheep or something.


Hey, it's on Stormfront, too. So it must be legit.
 
2013-01-26 02:45:23 AM  

Silvara:

No, it's a hebephile actually.


I thought he wasnt Jewish
 
2013-01-26 02:45:41 AM  

Silvara: No, it's a hebephile actually.


Wow.

Did you miss your turn-off to Freeperville?
 
2013-01-26 02:46:11 AM  
images1.wikia.nocookie.net
/impressed
 
2013-01-26 02:46:25 AM  
He didn't know enough about sexual matters to know not to have sex with a 13 year old, but knew enough about sexual matters to buy condoms, get a hotel room, and knew how to use a condom.

Another example of people allowing religious excuses and giving them a free pass. Ridiculous beliefs are no more reasonable when they involve an invisible sky-daddy. RELIGION IS A CHOICE.
 
2013-01-26 02:47:58 AM  
The great thing about sex with 13 year olds?
.
.
.
There's 13 of them!
 
2013-01-26 02:48:35 AM  

TomD9938: FTA : The girl told police they stayed at the hotel for two hours and had sex after Rashid went to the bathroom and emerged wearing a condom.

Smooooth.


He didn't want the goats to know he was cheating.
 
2013-01-26 02:50:07 AM  

BronyMedic: I call shenanigans on this one, and I want more information. The brief blurb the Daily Fail presents makes it sound like the guy was basically raised in a cult which groomed him for what he did from an early age. I'm willing to bet based on that they put up some sort of mental defense, based on the fact the defense claimed he didn't have the capacity to understand it was wrong to do it.

Also, 13 is ephebophile, not pedophile.


I think hebephile, not ephebophile
 
2013-01-26 02:50:09 AM  
First amendment.

Look it up.
 
2013-01-26 02:51:34 AM  

jaytkay: Silvara: No, it's a hebephile actually.

Great, add some anti-Semitism to the story. Just great.


If that word meant that, then wouldn't it be pro-Semitic? I mean: Hebe = derogatory for person of Jewish descent + phile = lover of. I mean if you were to call someone a "n***** lover", you wouldn't be calling them anti African-American.

Welcome to:
1ski.me
 
2013-01-26 02:51:39 AM  

BronyMedic: Silvara: No, it's a hebephile actually.

Wow.

Did you miss your turn-off to Freeperville?


The 90's called... they want their jokes back. :P
 
2013-01-26 02:52:16 AM  

salsashark1: First amendment.

Look it up.


FINALLY!

Finally we have repaid those filthy redcoats by making them a colony of the glorious United States of America! That way their heathen system will now be guaranteed the rights of the United States Constitution!
 
2013-01-26 02:52:17 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy:
Every day is a battle. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. You only hope that when you lose, the police don't come knocking.


Humbert, is that you?
 
2013-01-26 02:52:35 AM  
atleast he was just 18
 
2013-01-26 02:54:37 AM  
And yes, I know there's a 98% chance you were joking.

/So am I.
 
2013-01-26 02:55:20 AM  
So, ignorance of the law is now a defense, in the UK?

/ she's legal in Spain
 
2013-01-26 02:56:34 AM  
Adil Rashid, 18, claimed he was not aware that it was illegal for him to have sex with the girl because his education left him ignorant of British law.

I can't f*cking believe a judge bought that, even in England.

nemo censetur ignorare legem
 
2013-01-26 02:56:45 AM  
The funniest part of all this is that people repeatedly take this sort of thing as serious fact even more than The Onion and The Weekly World news.
 
2013-01-26 02:56:47 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

/Relevant
 
2013-01-26 02:57:42 AM  
The existence of "Islamic schools" in the West is disgusting.
These people do not belong in civilization.
UK is farked anyway, but probably not as much as Sweden.
 
2013-01-26 02:59:07 AM  

Ed Finnerty: BronyMedic: I call shenanigans on this one, and I want more information. The brief blurb the Daily Fail presents makes it sound like the guy was basically raised in a cult which groomed him for what he did from an early age. I'm willing to bet based on that they put up some sort of mental defense, based on the fact the defense claimed he didn't have the capacity to understand it was wrong to do it.

Also, 13 is ephebophile, not pedophile.

In all fairness, the Daily Fail is about as accurate and informative as public restroom graffiti.


That's offensive to bathroom graffiti. CSB: Was at a bar in Tucson, saw a whole bunch of stuff written all over the walls but one caught my eye; "For a math tutor call (Random Number)." I was so intrigued, I went back, told my friend and we proceeded to call this number. Sure enough, went to some math tutoring service I had never heard of. Helped us calculate a tip on our tab.
 
2013-01-26 02:59:33 AM  

MacEnvy: sithon: he was let go? brits your legal system is broken .

Honestly it's hard to tell with the Daily Mail reporting. Could be entirely made up. That would be less surprising than if it was true in full.


Yeah, this. I've tried looking for any other more reliable source and I just couldn't find any.
 
2013-01-26 03:03:14 AM  

starsrift: So, ignorance of the law is now a defense, in the UK?

/ she's legal in Spain


Ignorance of the law is not the same as being raised in an environment where you do not know the difference between right and wrong, or do have the ability to tell the difference.
 
2013-01-26 03:03:27 AM  
I thought the "NRA Converts to Islam" story I saw today was a parody. Now I'm not so sure.
 
2013-01-26 03:05:02 AM  

fusillade762: Whatever happened to that "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" thing?


Britain, not the U.S.
 
2013-01-26 03:06:54 AM  
i really wish this kind of garbage never made it to mainpage, but thats not just me.
It is not just me, and a lot of you know this.
Im taking the weekend off- be seeing you
 
2013-01-26 03:07:57 AM  

alienated: i really wish this kind of garbage never made it to mainpage, but thats not just me.
It is not just me, and a lot of you know this.
Im taking the weekend off- be seeing you


The Daily Fail makes it to the front page by singlehandedly supplying Drew with Marker's Mark.
 
2013-01-26 03:10:32 AM  
1 - go to islamic school
2 - groom 13yo girl to have sex
3 - have sex with underage girl
4 - caught by the police
5 - ??
6 - prophet!
 
2013-01-26 03:11:09 AM  

Fade2black: fusillade762: Whatever happened to that "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" thing?

Britain, not the U.S.


Where do you think the US got its legal principles?
 
2013-01-26 03:13:19 AM  
As some of you have said, this is the Daily Fail and we're probably not getting the whole story.

Based on the article, though, I'd call bullshiat on his defense.
First off, ignorance of the law is no excuse. This opens the door for more guys to use the same defense.
Secondly, I have to doubt his ignorance when, even though he went to Islamic schools his whole life and lived in a closed community, he still lived most if not all his life in the UK, was internet savvy enough to find the girl on Facebook, exchanged texts, and met up with her at a motel rather than, say, going over and meeting her folks.
Thirdly, he used a rubber. If he was truly as naive as they say, I'd find hard to believe he'd even consider that

Now, I do kinda agree that since he didn't really FORCE her into it he probably shouldn't get jail time. Along with the probation, he should also have to go through some sort of base legal education if he really is that ignorant of the laws of the country he lives in.
 
2013-01-26 03:13:56 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Living in Japan, I just have to say: There, but for the grace of God, go I.

Everywhere you look here, everything is overtly sexualized. And age is something hard to pin down. Is that girl in her school uniform with her skirt hiked up with the hem just below her bottom 13 or 23? And the temptation on the escalator and stairs to stop staring at the floor and just look up for a second, I swear, just a peek, and enjoy the delights the girl so wantonly displays. If I say hello and try to make conversation, am I going to be talking to a school girl on her way to school or to an adult woman playing dress up? If she smiles back and comes closer, I can't believe there's no other choice than to step away out of fear of the law. Such supple thighs. Wonderfully pert breasts. Long black hair and eyes gleaming with pure sexual evil.

Every day is a battle. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. You only hope that when you lose, the police don't come knocking.


You're a better man than I. Kid in a candy store run amuck.
 
2013-01-26 03:14:19 AM  
Weird that she wandered into his closed community to seduce hi...oh, they met over the Internet.
I'd have thought having a Facebook account used to solicited young women would automatically ruin the, "I'm Innocent Because My Religion" excuse I saw so often on "To Catch a Predator."
 
2013-01-26 03:15:14 AM  
How did a nation that once ruled over most of the planet turn into such a bunch of nutless Betas?
 
2013-01-26 03:16:18 AM  

fusillade762: Satanic_Hamster: Any non-Daily Mail source? Assuming none of this ever happened or the 13 year old girl was actually a sheep or something.

Hey, it's on Stormfront, too. So it must be legit.


The comments there are gold, like usual.
 
2013-01-26 03:17:22 AM  

Mega Steve: As some of you have said, this is the Daily Fail and we're probably not getting the whole story.

Based on the article, though, I'd call bullshiat on his defense.
First off, ignorance of the law is no excuse. This opens the door for more guys to use the same defense.
Secondly, I have to doubt his ignorance when, even though he went to Islamic schools his whole life and lived in a closed community, he still lived most if not all his life in the UK, was internet savvy enough to find the girl on Facebook, exchanged texts, and met up with her at a motel rather than, say, going over and meeting her folks.
Thirdly, he used a rubber. If he was truly as naive as they say, I'd find hard to believe he'd even consider that

Now, I do kinda agree that since he didn't really FORCE her into it he probably shouldn't get jail time. Along with the probation, he should also have to go through some sort of base legal education if he really is that ignorant of the laws of the country he lives in.


Culpability is the issue here, based on the daily fail wording. If he was, literally and for lack of a more accurate word, brainwashed into not being able to differentiate that statutory rape is wrong or a crime, then there's an issue of justice actually being served by sending him to a prison versus mental treatment/counseling.
 
2013-01-26 03:21:20 AM  

fusillade762: Whatever happened to that "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" thing?


THIS!

Religion is irrelevant in this case!!

I'm apalled!!

/TFB if you don't care - it matters.
 
2013-01-26 03:26:35 AM  
Well, the Sun is also there:
Link

But I'm not sure which is less reliable, the Sun or the Mail. Tough call.

This is Nottingham also had a couple of lines about the case:
Link

Nothing about the sentencing though.

If the judge gave him a lenient sentence based on "ignorance of the law is okay", then the judge needs a cockpunch.
However, given the sources...
 
2013-01-26 03:27:27 AM  
Some points that are being lost here:

1. Ignorance of the law is no excuse: Definitely. That said, the defendant in this case was convicted of statutory rape. His sentence was quite mild (9 mo. imprisonment, suspended for 2 years, plus 2 years probation), due to a variety of mitigating circumstances as seen by the judge. In any case, he was not acquitted of the crime because of his supposed ignorance of the law.

2. The judge was foolish: The judge stated that the defendant was "passive" and "lacking assertiveness" and basically said that the 13 year old girl wanted it. All that might be true, but the defendant clearly had some idea what he was doing - he booked a hotel room and went there with a condom. Clearly, the possibility of sexual intercourse was at least present in his mind. He was not just "seduced" on the spot.

3. Islamic law: Far from focusing on the blatantly false analogy of women as discarded lollipops, Islam places a high value on women and enjoins Muslims to treat them with respect and honor. If the defendant was supposedly educated in an Islamic school, then he should also know that the punishment for "zina" (pre-marital intercourse) for him would be 100 lashes, as it is viewed as a serious sin and a criminal offense. He clearly knew that what he did was wrong, and attempting to reduce his culpability because he was "seduced" by a child is unacceptable.

I hope the defendant does something stupid within the next two years so his suspended sentence kicks in.
 
2013-01-26 03:39:51 AM  
I can't find any mention of this other than the BNP page.
 
2013-01-26 03:45:26 AM  
i was ready to get outraged then i saw that he was only 18 and she was 13... meh not a good thing but def not jail worthy if it was consenual.
 
2013-01-26 03:49:11 AM  

Azlefty: teto85: He was just emulating the Prophet.

Well if he had been Catholic it would have been 7 year old boy


And his ass would be in jail where it belongs.
 
2013-01-26 03:57:32 AM  

Azlefty: teto85: He was just emulating the Prophet.

Well if he had been Catholic your basic christian it would have been 7 year old boy


ftfy...

while the Catholics are numerically superior in pederasty, Christians in general have an afterlife to go to so they can do what they want to... stealing money from suckers, diddling kids etc.

what would Jesus do?
nothing. he ain't real.

/suggit
 
2013-01-26 03:58:47 AM  

slayer199: "In other interviews with psychologists, Rashid claimed he had been taught in his school that 'women are no more worthy than a lollipop that has been dropped on the ground;."

And to reinforce that belief, the judge lets him go.  Way to value women UK.


Girls are slime, amiright? Eh? Eh?
 
2013-01-26 04:05:55 AM  

GAT_00: MacEnvy: sithon: he was let go? brits your legal system is broken .

Honestly it's hard to tell with the Daily Mail reporting. Could be entirely made up. That would be less surprising than if it was true in full.

There is always at least one significant piece of information missing when the Fail reports to stir up outrage.


Well, the significant piece of information that's missing is 'everything'.
 
2013-01-26 04:06:38 AM  
i80.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-26 04:09:58 AM  

BronyMedic: starsrift: So, ignorance of the law is now a defense, in the UK?

/ she's legal in Spain

Ignorance of the law is not the same as being raised in an environment where you do not know the difference between right and wrong, or do have the ability to tell the difference.


Sounds all the same to me. Why is ignorance for one reason culpable but ignorance for another reason not? If you don't know you're doing wrong... Then you don't know you're doing wrong! Doesn't matter why, does it? Should it?
 
2013-01-26 04:12:18 AM  
So when we tell you the shiat your religion says we should do is crazy now you have a point of reference. Every religion looks like that to everyone else.

I try to imagine what it must be like at large parties of religious leaders. Like a magicians ball, they only have one trick.
 
2013-01-26 04:18:15 AM  

starsrift: Sounds all the same to me. Why is ignorance for one reason culpable but ignorance for another reason not? If you don't know you're doing wrong... Then you don't know you're doing wrong! Doesn't matter why, does it? Should it?


They are two different things entirely. The entire argument here seems to be that because of his upbringing and the environment he was raised in, he has diminished responsibility, or a diminished mental state, when it came to the crime. Even though he did not know the law, he could not perceive that he was committing a crime in the first place. In addition, the judge didn't cut him loose, but gave him an adjusted sentence based on the facts of the crime at hand and the environment he came from.

Not knowing the law is not the same as "I do not have the ability to see myself harming someone else or feel remorse for doing so" One gets you a jail cell, the other (if actually successful) tend to get you thrown into a padded cell for the rest of your natural life.
 
2013-01-26 04:18:26 AM  

TomD9938: FTA : The girl told police they stayed at the hotel for two hours and had sex after Rashid went to the bathroom and emerged wearing a condom.

Smooooth.


13% of the time it works every time!
 
2013-01-26 04:24:24 AM  

doglover: "I didn't know I couldn't cut his heart out with a flint knife because I'm an Aztec."


Didn't Steve Martin cover this back in the 1970s?

You.. can be a millionaire.. and never pay taxes! You can be a millionaire.. and never pay taxes! You say.. "Steve.. how can I be a millionaire.. and never pay taxes?" First.. get a million dollars. Now.. you say, "Steve.. what do I say to the tax man when he comes to my door and says, 'You.. have never paid taxes'?" Two simple words. Two simple words in the English language: "I forgot!" How many times do we let ourselves get into terrible situations because we don't say "I forgot"? Let's say you're on trial for armed robbery. You say to the judge, "I forgot armed robbery was illegal." Let's suppose he says back to you, "You have committed a foul crime. you have stolen hundreds and thousands of dollars from people at random, and you say, 'I forgot'?" Two simple words: Excuuuuuse me!!"
 
2013-01-26 04:36:32 AM  

nmemkha: /Relevant


Oh wow, two birds one stone eh?

/whoever says religion isn't helpful clearly never saw this legal issue
//waits patiently for incoming wave of other religious nutters to use religious upbringing as their moral shield
///also, somebody get me that Farnsworth image, I'm using my phone
 
2013-01-26 05:17:32 AM  
Was he also going to take her to Rubber Dinghy Rapids?
 
2013-01-26 05:22:50 AM  
I want twins!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-26 05:33:26 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Living in Japan, I just have to say: There, but for the grace of God, go I.

Everywhere you look here, everything is overtly sexualized. And age is something hard to pin down. Is that girl in her school uniform with her skirt hiked up with the hem just below her bottom 13 or 23? And the temptation on the escalator and stairs to stop staring at the floor and just look up for a second, I swear, just a peek, and enjoy the delights the girl so wantonly displays. If I say hello and try to make conversation, am I going to be talking to a school girl on her way to school or to an adult woman playing dress up? If she smiles back and comes closer, I can't believe there's no other choice than to step away out of fear of the law. Such supple thighs. Wonderfully pert breasts. Long black hair and eyes gleaming with pure sexual evil.

Every day is a battle. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. You only hope that when you lose, the police don't come knocking.


What you do is talk to them and then ask her to go out for a drink. If she gets carded and gets through it's all good. If she is turned away you go in for a drink alone and when you leave she's gone, no harm no foul.
the key here is having her ID checked for age by someone else ;)
 
2013-01-26 05:34:33 AM  

salsashark1: First amendment.

Look it up.


Even if the first amendment applied to this guy, I don't see how he could use it in his defense.
 
2013-01-26 05:37:09 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Any non-Daily Mail source? Assuming none of this ever happened or the 13 year old girl was actually a sheep or something.


.
The internets, how the fark do they work? Link
 
2013-01-26 05:39:19 AM  

Sensei Can You See: Azlefty: teto85: He was just emulating the Prophet.

Well if he had been Catholic it would have been 7 year old boy

And his ass would be in jail where it belongs.


When did that start happening If he was Catholic he'd be at a new church pretending he'd never done anything wrong, with the blessings of the higher ups who moved him there.
 
2013-01-26 05:40:40 AM  
I'm not sure Facebook would be real happy about the pic in the article.

i.dailymail.co.uk

And rape them.
 
2013-01-26 05:41:36 AM  

salsashark1: First amendment.

Look it up.


What is the first Amendment in England?
 
2013-01-26 05:43:21 AM  

teto85: He was just emulating the Prophet.


The Blessed Virgin Mary was 14.
 
2013-01-26 05:49:17 AM  

Green Scorpio: salsashark1: First amendment.

Look it up.

Even if the first amendment applied to this guy, I don't see how he could use it in his defense.


OOH! I get it, I think he's saying that he think the first (in the US) would grant him the right to practice his religion, regardless of if what he is practicing is illegal. Besides missing that the story isn't in the US, he's demonstrating a fearfully poor understanding of what Freedom of Religion means in the Bill of rights.
 
2013-01-26 05:50:43 AM  

sendtodave: teto85: He was just emulating the Prophet.

The Blessed Virgin Mary was 14.


wrong prophet. If fark is to be believed, Mohamed got down and dirty with a 9 year old. I say if Fark is to be believed because it's the only place I've heard that he bedded a 9 yo.
 
2013-01-26 06:03:44 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: What you do is talk to them and then ask her to go out for a drink. If she gets carded and gets through it's all good. If she is turned away you go in for a drink alone and when you leave she's gone, no harm no foul.
the key here is having her ID checked for age by someone else ;)


Hm. That might work better than my current method of feeling for pubic hair.
 
2013-01-26 06:08:04 AM  
Farkers, don't mention conservative right. I mentioned them once, but I think I got away with it all right.
 
2013-01-26 06:10:22 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Uchiha_Cycliste: What you do is talk to them and then ask her to go out for a drink. If she gets carded and gets through it's all good. If she is turned away you go in for a drink alone and when you leave she's gone, no harm no foul.
the key here is having her ID checked for age by someone else ;)

Hm. That might work better than my current method of feeling for pubic hair.


Yes, yes it might.

*ah hem* also pics or it didn't happen.
 
2013-01-26 06:10:59 AM  

LewDux: Farkers, don't mention conservative right. I mentioned them once, but I think I got away with it all right.


wat?
 
2013-01-26 06:23:09 AM  

LewDux: Farkers, don't mention conservative right. I mentioned them once, but I think I got away with it all right.


I think he's trying to say that those that don't spend beyond their means don't support raping children, or something like that.
 
2013-01-26 06:37:24 AM  

david_gaithersburg: I think he's trying to say that those that don't spend beyond their means don't support raping children, or something like that.


Conservative and Right are two different things altogether. Modern "conservatives" are nothing like they were even 20 years ago.
 
2013-01-26 06:40:18 AM  

BronyMedic: david_gaithersburg: I think he's trying to say that those that don't spend beyond their means don't support raping children, or something like that.

Conservative and Right are two different things altogether. Modern "conservatives" are nothing like they were even 20 years ago.


.
And "liberal" has evolved into a one word oxymoron.
 
2013-01-26 06:43:58 AM  

david_gaithersburg: And "liberal" has evolved into a one word oxymoron.


No. Liberal in the United States means "less right" than "conservative" is typically used to refer to. Just like conservative and right are not mutually inclusive, "liberal" and democrat aren't either. "Liberal" in Europe makes our "liberal" look like staunch neoconservatives.

Your suggestion was that "conservative" means fiscal responsibility. In the reality of American politics, they spend less on some areas, and shift it to others.
 
2013-01-26 06:56:17 AM  
Why do people believe the shiat in the Daily Xenophobe?
 
2013-01-26 06:58:27 AM  

SpdrJay: The great thing about sex with 13 year olds?
.
.
.
There's 13 of them!


You're doing it wrong.
/still laughed
 
2013-01-26 07:18:01 AM  

BronyMedic: I call shenanigans on this one, and I want more information. The brief blurb the Daily Fail presents makes it sound like the guy was basically raised in a cult which groomed him for what he did from an early age. I'm willing to bet based on that they put up some sort of mental defense, based on the fact the defense claimed he didn't have the capacity to understand it was wrong to do it.

Also, 13 is ephebophile, not pedophile.


ummm... nope
 
2013-01-26 07:22:30 AM  

GAT_00: MacEnvy: sithon: he was let go? brits your legal system is broken .

Honestly it's hard to tell with the Daily Mail reporting. Could be entirely made up. That would be less surprising than if it was true in full.

There is always at least one significant piece of information missing when the Fail reports to stir up outrage.


Translation: it's ok when Muslims do it.
 
2013-01-26 07:32:06 AM  
GLASS PARKING LOT
 
2013-01-26 07:32:25 AM  
To be fair, there are states in the US where sex between an 18 year old and a 13 year old is legal (under various Romeo & Juliet laws).

I think the defense arguments were a little gross, but I don't see it as a huge injustice that he was spared jail time.
 
2013-01-26 07:42:37 AM  
Describing Rashid, the judge said: 'He's had an unusual education, certainly in terms of the sexual education provided. Comparing women to lollipops is a very curious way of teaching young men about sex.'

Huh. He seems to be saying it may take more than three licks to get to their tootsie roll center.
 
2013-01-26 07:52:50 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Green Scorpio: salsashark1: First amendment.

Look it up.

Even if the first amendment applied to this guy, I don't see how he could use it in his defense.

OOH! I get it, I think he's saying that he think the first (in the US) would grant him the right to practice his religion, regardless of if what he is practicing is illegal. Besides missing that the story isn't in the US, he's demonstrating a fearfully poor understanding of what Freedom of Religion means in the Bill of rights.


My religion says that 13 is the perfect age for girls to begin practicing their reproductive rights. With me.

We cool?
 
2013-01-26 07:55:25 AM  

Green Scorpio: Uchiha_Cycliste: Green Scorpio: salsashark1: First amendment.

Look it up.

Even if the first amendment applied to this guy, I don't see how he could use it in his defense.

OOH! I get it, I think he's saying that he think the first (in the US) would grant him the right to practice his religion, regardless of if what he is practicing is illegal. Besides missing that the story isn't in the US, he's demonstrating a fearfully poor understanding of what Freedom of Religion means in the Bill of rights.

My religion says that 13 is the perfect age for girls to begin practicing their reproductive rights. With me.

We cool?


we, yes. you and the US, no. =(
 
2013-01-26 08:02:55 AM  
Ignorance is a valid defense over there?
 
2013-01-26 08:34:52 AM  

Trapper439: I'm not sure Facebook would be real happy about the pic in the article.

And rape them.


FTFY:
bender16v.com
 
2013-01-26 08:39:20 AM  
Fox news just had an orgasm.
 
2013-01-26 08:44:04 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Living in Japan, I just have to say: There, but for the grace of God, go I.

Everywhere you look here, everything is overtly sexualized. And age is something hard to pin down. Is that girl in her school uniform with her skirt hiked up with the hem just below her bottom 13 or 23? And the temptation on the escalator and stairs to stop staring at the floor and just look up for a second, I swear, just a peek, and enjoy the delights the girl so wantonly displays. If I say hello and try to make conversation, am I going to be talking to a school girl on her way to school or to an adult woman playing dress up? If she smiles back and comes closer, I can't believe there's no other choice than to step away out of fear of the law. Such supple thighs. Wonderfully pert breasts. Long black hair and eyes gleaming with pure sexual evil.

Every day is a battle. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. You only hope that when you lose, the police don't come knocking.


static4.fjcdn.com
 
2013-01-26 08:49:01 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Living in Japan, I just have to say: There, but for the grace of God, go I.

Everywhere you look here, everything is overtly sexualized. And age is something hard to pin down. Is that girl in her school uniform with her skirt hiked up with the hem just below her bottom 13 or 23? And the temptation on the escalator and stairs to stop staring at the floor and just look up for a second, I swear, just a peek, and enjoy the delights the girl so wantonly displays. If I say hello and try to make conversation, am I going to be talking to a school girl on her way to school or to an adult woman playing dress up? If she smiles back and comes closer, I can't believe there's no other choice than to step away out of fear of the law. Such supple thighs. Wonderfully pert breasts. Long black hair and eyes gleaming with pure sexual evil.

Every day is a battle. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. You only hope that when you lose, the police don't come knocking.


How the fark did I miss this.

This is glorious.
 
2013-01-26 08:51:36 AM  

MacEnvy: sithon: he was let go? brits your legal system is broken .

Honestly it's hard to tell with the Daily Mail reporting. Could be entirely made up. That would be less surprising than if it was true in full.


Yea I don't know how much of this story I believe considering the source presenting it, but if it's true it's a gigantic WTF
 
2013-01-26 08:52:02 AM  

salsashark1: First amendment.

Look it up.


England

Look it up.


Even if it happened in the US, it would be prosecuted, religion excluded.
 
2013-01-26 08:54:51 AM  

teto85: He was just emulating the Prophet.


Or the king of England.
 
2013-01-26 09:11:46 AM  

Fade2black: fusillade762: Whatever happened to that "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" thing?

Britain, not the U.S.


It applies there too, but that's not the issue. The issue is that he had been brainwashed to the point where he thought that this was OK.
 
2013-01-26 09:22:51 AM  
We took a large population of Muslims and placed them in a Western Nation, let's see what happens...
 
2013-01-26 09:34:17 AM  
Muhammad was a hypocritical asshole and scumbag and it's not surprising that his adherents tend to be hypocritical assholes and scumbags themselves.

Uchiha_Cycliste: sendtodave: teto85: He was just emulating the Prophet.

The Blessed Virgin Mary was 14.

wrong prophet. If fark is to be believed, Mohamed got down and dirty with a 9 year old. I say if Fark is to be believed because it's the only place I've heard that he bedded a 9 yo.

It's sourced from a Hadith:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

The common defense among Muslims for this is that it was simply a product of the time, that it was fairly common for children to be married off and then lose their virginity as soon as they hit puberty. Of course, since Muhammad's actions were praised by God as a model to all in the Quran, doesn't that mean that such things should still be permissible, and perhaps even encouraged, today?

The other argument is that it 's fake, that it never really happened, that he never had sex with her, etc. This is a fairly common tactic for Muslims. Whenever something they believe comes to be seen as barbaric or outrageous due to changes in society, they tend just to deny that it was ever a part of the religion or come up with some other explanation/justification that ignores previous history. The jizya is a good example of this: It was a hefty tax imposed on non-Muslims that fell under the rule of the Caliphate. It was intentionally designed to be too difficult for them to deal with both to encourage conversions and because it was the chief source of revenue for the Caliphate for quite some time. Payments had to be made in person to Muslim officials so as to remind the dhimmi who was in charge. Ask most Muslims today though and they'll simply tell you that Muhammad wanted the jizya to be the same as the zakat tax that Muslims had to pay, even though the zakat went to charity while the jizya funded the operations of the Caliphate and Muhammad himself set the zakat far below the rate of the jizya when he was in charge.

The 'Satanic Verses' thing that Rushdie almost got ran through for were also once part of the Islamic religion, with about as much good support as most Hadiths--sayings of Muhammad/others that have almost as much bearing on the implementation of Islamic law and customs as the Quran--have. For the first ~200 years of the religion, the idea that Muhammad briefly espoused polytheism and idolatry because he had been tricked by Satan (and not because he was attempting to save his ass from being murdered by Meccans) was wholly accepted until someone pointed out how harmful that was from a theological perspective was and they immediately disavowed it.
 
2013-01-26 09:53:07 AM  

GAT_00: MacEnvy: sithon: he was let go? brits your legal system is broken .

Honestly it's hard to tell with the Daily Mail reporting. Could be entirely made up. That would be less surprising than if it was true in full.

There is always at least one significant piece of information missing when the Fail reports to stir up outrage.


I wonder if you ever have an argument that isnt a logical fallacy.
 
2013-01-26 09:57:11 AM  

Kiwimann: To be fair, there are states in the US where sex between an 18 year old and a 13 year old is legal (under various Romeo & Juliet laws).

I think the defense arguments were a little gross, but I don't see it as a huge injustice that he was spared jail time.


This on both points,

Everytime there's the Teacher/Student thing we get a bunch of Men's Rights Advocates complaining about a "double standard." Well here you go, from the reports it looks like he didn't use any force or coercion, she wanted to be with him.

But if I was a Muslim, I'd probably kill him for making it worse for all Muslims.
 
2013-01-26 09:58:14 AM  
Wow, there are an awful lot of people who need to know the difference between "defence" and "mitigation". He didn't use his ignorance and upbringing as a defence - when you entered a guilty plea, you don't really have a defence. He entered his ignorance and upbringing as mitigation.
 
2013-01-26 10:00:14 AM  

MyRandomName: There is always at least one significant piece of information missing when the Fail reports to stir up outrage.


In this case, its the fact that he pleaded "guilty".
 
2013-01-26 10:01:25 AM  
I'm flabbergasted how many of you think a 13 yr old is mentally capable of sexual consent. I was still playing with Barbies at 13. You guys have really skeeved me out.
 
2013-01-26 10:15:48 AM  

megalynn44: I'm flabbergasted how many of you think a 13 yr old is mentally capable of sexual consent. I was still playing with Barbies at 13. You guys have really skeeved me out.


Take your flabbergast to the droopy pants thread, missy!
 
2013-01-26 10:23:27 AM  

megalynn44: I'm flabbergasted how many of you think a 13 yr old is mentally capable of sexual consent. I was still playing with Barbies at 13. You guys have really skeeved me out.


Kinky
 
2013-01-26 10:30:01 AM  

megalynn44: I'm flabbergasted how many of you think a 13 yr old is mentally capable of sexual consent. I was still playing with Barbies at 13. You guys have really skeeved me out.


Mentally capable of sexual consent? Yes. Of course they are. 13 year olds are sexual creatures by their very nature. They play and explore with peers their own age, male and female. It might shock you to learn that children as young as two masturbate.

Legally capable of sexual consent? No. Ethically and morally acceptable for them to even try to do so in our culture? Hell no, and rightfully so.
 
2013-01-26 10:36:26 AM  

Somacandra: teto85: He was just emulating the Prophet.

[i.imgur.com image 230x345]

Pretty much everything 'known'/written about A'isha Bint Abi Bakr (hundreds of years later by medieval male clerics) has been highly controversial since the beginning.


Don't know anything about them, but Aisha and Katherine Howard would have made a great frenemies pair. How to be used by male members of the family. Yeah, Aisha really lost her necklace and her servants really picked up her carriage without noticing she was missing at that oasis. Girl was up to something.

Two teen-aged girls who represented everything the old men's real true loves were not, and who always had to live in the shadow of those women. Not their fault. The playing with fire the two teens engaged in was their fault; but initially being picked to be used by their own fathers, not their fault.

Fatima and Mary Queen of Scots can be the B Team looking out for Daddy even when Daddy is a fool ruled by his dick.
 
2013-01-26 10:46:13 AM  

megalynn44: I'm flabbergasted how many of you think a 13 yr old is mentally capable of sexual consent. I was still playing with Barbies at 13. You guys have really skeeved me out.


Depends on the culture. In a culture where childhood is extended beyond the teen years (and in the US, beyond the 20s into the 30s and beyond in some cases)........ 13 year olds should not be allowed to legally consent.

In a culture where childhood is short, and people have to reach mental maturity rather quickly when it comes to making adult decisions about food, shelter, work, family .. 13 year olds should be able to legally consent, because they're legally adults in every other sense.

Guess it comes down to the nest. If your culture pushes you out of the nest early, 13 is the right age. If your culture keeps you in the nest for as long as possible, hell no to 13.
 
2013-01-26 10:49:43 AM  

megalynn44: I'm flabbergasted how many of you think a 13 yr old is mentally capable of sexual consent. I was still playing with Barbies at 13. You guys have really skeeved me out.


Addendum: slave cultures should be different, in my opinion. Everything I said above is for cultures where people act like adults of their own free will. In slave cultures, the 6 year old slave having to be mature is not a good enough reason to have masters abusing slaves; especially in cultures where there's one rule for slaves and another for free men and women when it comes to sex.

Anything that prevents abuse of slaves is a good thing.
 
2013-01-26 10:59:36 AM  

Scythed: The common defense among Muslims for this is that it was simply a product of the time, that it was fairly common for children to be married off and then lose their virginity as soon as they hit puberty.



Good of them to wait until her lolly pops.
 
2013-01-26 11:11:44 AM  
What is up with the hotel? They let an eighteen year old into a room with a 13 year old girl?
 
2013-01-26 11:15:13 AM  

Somacandra: teto85: He was just emulating the Prophet.

[i.imgur.com image 230x345]

Pretty much everything 'known'/written about A'isha Bint Abi Bakr (hundreds of years later by medieval male clerics) has been highly controversial since the beginning.


She was six when the marriage contract was written. She was nine when Mohammed first had sex with her.
There is almost no dispute over this.
 
2013-01-26 11:18:17 AM  

megalynn44: I'm flabbergasted how many of you think a 13 yr old is mentally capable of sexual consent. I was still playing with Barbies at 13. You guys have really skeeved me out.


Aisha said the was in her father's garden playing with her dolls when the prophet came for her, so you've got that in common.
 
2013-01-26 11:18:48 AM  
I look forward to the day when Daily Fail article are immediately tossed and not greenlit daily.
/I'll get over it.
 
2013-01-26 11:31:42 AM  

teto85: He was just emulating the Prophet.


I keep hearing that Islam is a, "religion of peace."  And then I read stories like this, and now I'm not so sure.


FTA:
Rashid claimed he had been taught in his school that 'women are no more worthy than a lollipop that has been dropped on the ground'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268395/Adil-Rashid-Paedophile -claimed-Muslim-upbringing-meant-didnt-know-illegal-sex-girl-13.html#i xzz2J6EitlFI">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268395/Adil-Ra shid-Paedophile -claimed-Muslim-upbringing-meant-didnt-know-illegal-sex-girl-13.html#i xzz2J6EitlFI
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Obviously he hasn't cared to look for the right lollipop...

divaartist.com

...licky, licky, licky...
 
2013-01-26 11:56:23 AM  
If someone said to me that you could sell a newspaper based on combining the best of Mein Kampf and Us Weekly magazine I'd have laughed at them, but here we are discussing the Daily Mail.
 
2013-01-26 12:23:19 PM  

MmmmBacon: I call shenanigans on this one, needs a more believable source than The Daily Fail.


Perhaps some other news yes but not in this particular case. There are no shenanigans here. England and Western Europe have kow-towed so much to their immigrant Northern African and Arabs citizentry it is borderline ridiculous. Their state is so fearful of lawsuits and discriminatory charges that Muslims can pretty much get away with anything. At this point in history (especially after 9/11) Muslims pretty much have carte blanche to do anything in Europe w/o fear of consequence.
 
2013-01-26 12:34:08 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: The existence of "Islamic schools" in the West is disgusting.
These people do not belong in civilization.
UK is farked anyway, but probably not as much as Sweden.


As is the existence of "Christian schools."

Religious groups should do their indoctrination on the weekends, and leave M-F for secular education.
 
2013-01-26 12:34:09 PM  

Tigger: If someone said to me that you could sell a newspaper based on combining the best of Mein Kampf and Us Weekly magazine I'd have laughed at them, but here we are discussing the Daily Mail.


Fark + Daily Mail = updeated favourites list = good
/(favorite: paran: Muslims)
 
2013-01-26 12:43:42 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Muslims pretty much have carte blanche to do anything in Europe w/o fear of consequence.


If that were really true, it would mean they're actually showing remarkable restraint.
 
2013-01-26 12:55:20 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: MmmmBacon: I call shenanigans on this one, needs a more believable source than The Daily Fail.

Perhaps some other news yes but not in this particular case. There are no shenanigans here. England and Western Europe have kow-towed so much to their immigrant Northern African and Arabs citizentry it is borderline ridiculous. Their state is so fearful of lawsuits and discriminatory charges that Muslims can pretty much get away with anything. At this point in history (especially after 9/11) Muslims pretty much have carte blanche to do anything in Europe w/o fear of consequence.


Again... it was an 18 year old having sex with a 13 year old. This is legal in several states over here in the US.

He plead guilty to the offense, and the judge gave him probation instead of jail time. I'm hard pressed to see the injustice.

You mention the word "Muslim" and some people start foaming at the mouth.
 
2013-01-26 01:16:18 PM  
Questioning the source - CHECK
Dismissing the seriousness of the charge - CHECK
Claiming this is a systemic problem with all religion, not just the one that teaches men to fark 13 year olds - CHECK
Claiming this wouldn't be news if the man wasn't Muslim - CHECK

Fark, you never disappoint.

/Islam; the closest to a Fark-approved religion you're going to get
 
2013-01-26 01:40:59 PM  
I say we approve of his "excuse" of what he learned in the Islamic school.


.Now give him 100 lashes as he was taught was the result of this sin. I'll wait.
 
2013-01-26 01:54:00 PM  
Religion of fleece.
 
2013-01-26 03:30:24 PM  
i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-26 03:46:44 PM  
Hang him.
 
2013-01-26 06:04:40 PM  
You guys are all saying it wrong, in England it's pronounced "peed-a-file".
 
2013-01-26 06:36:56 PM  

Kiwimann: Again... it was an 18 year old having sex with a 13 year old. This is legal in several states over here in the US.


Under UK law, having sex with a 13-year-old isn't legal, but it is considered a different and lesser offence than having sex with an under-13-year-old.
 
2013-01-26 07:01:19 PM  

puppetmaster745: Questioning the source - CHECK


The Daily Mail never tries to manufacture outrage. Never! Just like Fox News is always fair and balanced. ALWAYS!
 
2013-01-26 10:21:31 PM  

Resident Muslim: I say we approve of his "excuse" of what he learned in the Islamic school.


.Now give him 100 lashes as he was taught was the result of this sin. I'll wait.


What sin? Women are garbage to them. SHE should be stoned immediately.
 
2013-01-27 02:06:32 AM  
So chop off his head for having sex out of wedlock after the girl's father is done beating him with stones for destroying his daughter's honor...
He knew THOSE would happen, why didn't he know about the "age of consent"?
 
2013-01-27 01:45:12 PM  

Scythed: Muhammad was a hypocritical asshole and scumbag and it's not surprising that his adherents tend to be hypocritical assholes and scumbags themselves.Uchiha_Cycliste: sendtodave: teto85: He was just emulating the Prophet.

The Blessed Virgin Mary was 14.

wrong prophet. If fark is to be believed, Mohamed got down and dirty with a 9 year old. I say if Fark is to be believed because it's the only place I've heard that he bedded a 9 yo.
It's sourced from a Hadith:

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

The common defense among Muslims for this is that it was simply a product of the time, that it was fairly common for children to be married off and then lose their virginity as soon as they hit puberty. Of course, since Muhammad's actions were praised by God as a model to all in the Quran, doesn't that mean that such things should still be permissible, and perhaps even encouraged, today?

The other argument is that it 's fake, that it never really happened, that he never had sex with her, etc. This is a fairly common tactic for Muslims. Whenever something they believe comes to be seen as barbaric or outrageous due to changes in society, they tend just to deny that it was ever a part of the religion or come up with some other explanation/justification that ignores previous history. The jizya is a good example of this: It was a hefty tax imposed on non-Muslims that fell under the rule of the Caliphate. It was intentionally designed to be too difficult for them to deal with both to encourage conversions and because it was the chief source of revenue for the Caliphate for quite some time. Payments had to be made in person to Muslim officials so as to remind the dhimmi who was in charge. Ask most Muslims today though and they'll simpl ...


That's all really interesting. I love Fark. ... considering the topic at hand my phrasing there could use a little work.
 
2013-01-27 03:41:59 PM  
it's just sex. sex is pretty damned boring if you ask me.

seriously the only purpose in life is to do meth
 
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