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(Stabley Times)   When a TV series ends an on unresolved cliffhanger it alienates viewers from new TV shows, gives rise to reality TV era, brings about end of humanity   (stableytimes.com) divider line 155
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2013-01-26 01:16:58 PM

BizarreMan: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me...you can't get fooled again..


FTFY
 
2013-01-26 01:22:10 PM
The X-files made me dump my cable tv.
 
2013-01-26 01:24:39 PM

TehBoognish: The X-files made me dump my cable tv.


So you didn't want to believe in cable anymore?
 
2013-01-26 01:28:48 PM

rugman11: I honestly don't understand this attitude. Television shows aren't like books or movies. With the possible exception of Game of Thrones, they're episodic in nature so that each episode can be viewed on its own, independent of the rest, even in a serialized show.


I myself like shows that have one big story or like Dexter, one story per season. Shows that are too episodic have no consequences to anything. The first one that comes to mind is Star Trek Voyager. Every episode the ship was left in shambles and next week they were playing on the holodeck. They must have gone through a dozen shuttlecrafts and I don't know how many crew members. They only started out like like 70 and had no re-enforcements. As long as the creators know how it's going to end and that's a big IF, I prefer a story arc.

The drawback being that you have to wait a week for each story, why it's fortunate that I didn't start watching Breaking Bad, Sons of Anarchy or Dexter until the 4th seasons and just caught up.
 
2013-01-26 01:38:51 PM
Pushing Daisy's did have a wrap up (short one) in the last episode.

/available on netflix
 
2013-01-26 01:41:48 PM
Charmed had a nice, sweet ending. But that was another show that went on a couple seasons too long. Especially when they started grooming the girl from TBBT and her little sister to be replacement Charmed Ones.
 
2013-01-26 01:42:23 PM

NeoCortex42: Okay, I'm going to have to stop you there. I love Sliders. The first two and a half seasons were great, but it was not cancelled in its prime. Season four was terrible, and season five was abysmal.


Oh, I agree that the last 2 seasons of Sliders was a trainwreck, but it should have been allowed to run a little longer to give the writers a chance to atone for their sins with better material or at least tie up all the loose ends.
 
2013-01-26 01:44:19 PM

texdent: Didn't one of the Pretender movies end on a cliffhanger or something?


I don't believe so. They had 2 films if I recall, but answered SOME questions, but introduced others. Seemed clear they had no intention of ever bringing full closure to the series, so I don't know if I'd call this a show that was cancelled or abandoned after a cliff hanger --- they had 2 chances to do it in 2 TV movies and took a pass on both. At least Farscape had closure with their miniseries....
 
2013-01-26 01:46:24 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: NeoCortex42: Okay, I'm going to have to stop you there. I love Sliders. The first two and a half seasons were great, but it was not cancelled in its prime. Season four was terrible, and season five was abysmal.

Oh, I agree that the last 2 seasons of Sliders was a trainwreck, but it should have been allowed to run a little longer to give the writers a chance to atone for their sins with better material or at least tie up all the loose ends.


I doubt they would have been able to. The show had a great concept and we should count ourselves lucky that we got a pretty solid two and a half season out of it. There were just too many behind-the-scenes problems for the show to have a long life. First there was Fox demanding no cliffhangers or serialization, then there was the way and reasons that Wade and the Professor got dropped from the cast, and finally there was Jerry O'Connel realizing how important he was to the show and getting a bit too greedy with his influence.
 
2013-01-26 01:48:02 PM

rugman11: FuryOfFirestorm: BullBearMS: I get pissed off by science fiction shows that hit their stride, only to be canned.

Stargate Universe, Sarah Conner Chronicles, Enterprise....

Grrrrr...

...and Sliders, The 4400, Alphas, Tower Prep, Kyle XY, No Ordinary Family, V...

I haven't seen all of those, but Sliders went at least two years too long. There are about a million reasons that show went wrong, but to say it was "hitting its stride" in season five would be a gross misrepresentation of that show.

No Ordinary Family was okay, and I really liked the storyline with Autumn Reeser's character, but that final fight scene may have been the worst thing ever filmed. I was honestly ready for that show to go after that scene.

V was only "hitting its stride" in the sense that they had finally killed off all the annoying characters. They might have been able to do some more interesting things later, but I think it had its run.

BizarreMan:

and Eureka....

I really like Eureka, but that show had the frustrating habit of rebooting the show anytime things started to get really interesting. They probably could have gone on longer, but that's another show that probably ended at a good time.


The thing is, the networks for supposedly being run by smart people are pretty fraking stupid.

They wail and moan that nobody is watching serialized dramas with long story arcs....and yet when they have a serialized drama with a long story arc, that isn't bringing in as many viewers as they think they should be getting, they can it. Leading the viewers to not watch the next one because...fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

I honestly don't understand this attitude. Television shows aren't like books or movies. With the possible exception of Game of Thrones, they're episodic in nature so that each episode can be viewed on its own, independent of the rest, even in a serialized show. The example I always use is Lost. That pilot is an awesome piece of television and I ...


The Shield had a pretty awesome finale, it was procedural with lots of shows being crime of the week but there were always asides relating to the bigger plot
 
2013-01-26 01:58:04 PM

Mugato: rugman11: I honestly don't understand this attitude. Television shows aren't like books or movies. With the possible exception of Game of Thrones, they're episodic in nature so that each episode can be viewed on its own, independent of the rest, even in a serialized show.

I myself like shows that have one big story or like Dexter, one story per season. Shows that are too episodic have no consequences to anything. The first one that comes to mind is Star Trek Voyager. Every episode the ship was left in shambles and next week they were playing on the holodeck. They must have gone through a dozen shuttlecrafts and I don't know how many crew members. They only started out like like 70 and had no re-enforcements. As long as the creators know how it's going to end and that's a big IF, I prefer a story arc.

The drawback being that you have to wait a week for each story, why it's fortunate that I didn't start watching Breaking Bad, Sons of Anarchy or Dexter until the 4th seasons and just caught up.


Right, but most of those shows still are capable of telling a single story in 40-60 minutes while also weaving in continuity. I can sit down and watch the "Dead Freight" episode of Breaking Bad (with the train robbery) and it's just a damn good episode of television. Sure it weaves in continuity from the season, but it has a distinct story and should be able to be watched and enjoyed without worrying about the show getting canceled before we find out what happens to Walter White.

I just don't understand why people would not watch a show because they're afraid that in four years it'll be canceled after 50-80 episodes and they won't get a full conclusion. Hell, there are people today who will tell you not to watch Lost or Battlestar Galactica because they didn't like the endings as though, somehow, one hour of television can invalidate the 75-125 hours that came before it.

Unlike film, television is as much, if not more, about the journey than the destination. And to lose the trees for the forest to me is just really sad, especially when it creates this cycle of shows getting canceled because people didn't watch out of fear they would be canceled.
 
2013-01-26 01:59:18 PM
Reaper was canceled after we learned that Heaven apparently had a plan
Joan of Arcadia was canceled with Joan apparently going to fight Satan's guy in the next season.
 
2013-01-26 02:05:53 PM

rugman11: Unlike film, television is as much, if not more, about the journey than the destination. And to lose the trees for the forest to me is just really sad, especially when it creates this cycle of shows getting canceled because people didn't watch out of fear they would be canceled.


I agree with that sentiment with Twin Peaks which I mentioned earlier that I just recently watched, probably because it was so farking weird I never expected a "satisfying" ending. But and I hate to be another one who belabors over Lost, they just kept building and building all these plot points that really gave the impression that it was all going to be explained in a logical manner and it just didn't. So unlike Twin Peaks, it's not a show I'd ever re-visit.
 
2013-01-26 02:13:54 PM

NeoCortex42: FuryOfFirestorm: NeoCortex42: Okay, I'm going to have to stop you there. I love Sliders. The first two and a half seasons were great, but it was not cancelled in its prime. Season four was terrible, and season five was abysmal.

Oh, I agree that the last 2 seasons of Sliders was a trainwreck, but it should have been allowed to run a little longer to give the writers a chance to atone for their sins with better material or at least tie up all the loose ends.

I doubt they would have been able to. The show had a great concept and we should count ourselves lucky that we got a pretty solid two and a half season out of it. There were just too many behind-the-scenes problems for the show to have a long life. First there was Fox demanding no cliffhangers or serialization, then there was the way and reasons that Wade and the Professor got dropped from the cast, and finally there was Jerry O'Connel realizing how important he was to the show and getting a bit too greedy with his influence.


Sliders is easily fixed... Real Professor was stuck on Azure Gate Bridge world, finally got a Sliding machine built, and finds His group of Sliders still together with the fake Arturo.

Somewhere along the line, we started watching the adventures of the wrong group, so the last two seasons, and maybe nothing after season 2, didn't happen.

/that would be the one place a copout ending like that would work.
 
2013-01-26 02:14:31 PM

neurodoclove: No mention of Soap?? I randomly stumbled on a marathon Comedy Central was airing for this show like 15 years ago and got completely hooked. I watched every episode over the course of the weekend but then thought I must've missed the damn finale somehow. It wasn't until way later that I found out the series ended on a cliffhanger. Sonofabiatch! Did Jessica die? What happened to Burt??? Come on!


It was revealed on Benson that Jessica ended up in a coma in South America. Nothing else was ever resolved.
 
2013-01-26 02:27:56 PM
One thing I have really liked about American Horry Story is the one-storyline per season structure. Just enough time to create a fun, batshiat crazy storyline and finish it out, but not long enough for things to get stupid and repetitive. I particularly thought that the Asylum season that just wrapped up worked really well, especially the Lana and Jude storylines which ended with a lot of closure for the characters. I think more television shows should go for an anthology/mini-series hybrid like that. It really cuts down on the filler and keeps the story from getting unnecessarily dragged out if the show does well, since you can always bring back popular actors in new roles for the following season, like they did with Jessica Lange.
 
2013-01-26 02:29:44 PM
One show that was cut too short, but still had a satisfying end was Wonderfalls. It works really well as a single-season story arc.
 
2013-01-26 02:29:44 PM
Sarah Connor Chronicles season two was attrociously boring. S3 was going to have to answer questions like Cameron's real backstory(was she ever actually reprogramed? Was future-John even alive when she went back in time? What was her real model designation and was her new body going to be more human?), AND they were going to have to stop John's uncle from getting shot in the head when they went back to the past.

Eureka ended right where it should have ended. The time reset was a good hail-mary shake up, but it had run it's course.

Dark Angel was a true travesty - spend an entire year destroying the show and then canceling it on a cliffhanger.

Tower Prep is a giant "HUH?" That one still needs a REAL ending.

The only thing that worked in the Xfiles finale was any scene with just
Scully and Mulder, like all of season eight. And the second theatrical film - basically Chris Carter should have given up the show and had someone else tie it up for him.

Have the last three eps of Last Resort on my hard drive, going to watch tonight.

Castle better get a decent ending next season. Prediction: Castle's dad will be instrumental in finally finishing Becket's quest, all live happily ever after.

After seeing the Serenity feature film, I'm glad Joss lost the chance to screw up Firefly. The tonal shift from tv to feature was whiplash inducing, and it seems obvious that he was going to give Mal the same bleak existence that he condemned Angel to.

They should have quit Voyager with season five. Six and Seven got progressively worse and the finale was one of the worst I've ever seen... because I've never watched the finale for Enterprise and X-Files last ep only has like fifteen watchable minutes. Forewarned is forearmed, if you decide to watch Enterprise stop at the penultimate ep of season four

Pushing Daisies only had one year left, and it required a mega happy ending where the pie-maker figures out how to touch the previously dead without perma-killing them.

I don't understand the hate for LOST. The first season was amazing, the second was gawd-awful, the third back to awesome, fourth and fifth kinda blend together, and six was a nice change-up. When people ask about the mysteries, I have to question what show they had been watching because it seemed pretty obvious Bad Robot was making shiat up on the fly the whole time and the important thing about the show was the emotion, and the mysteries were just a vehicle for that.

The Pretender got killed by a merger. I like to pretend that the next movie involves Jarod and Miss Parker teeming up with Sydney and Broots to rescue their son Oliver and finally take down the Triumverate.

Thundercats reboot. Fire whoever canceled it and bring it back.

DC Nation - SAVE IT. Young Justice could easily be better than Justice League. And Green Lantern needs to go PG13(at least) when they do The Blackest Night.

Roughnecks: Starship Trooper Chronicles. Sony already has the audio recorded for the last three episodes and apparently intends to sit on them forever when one final movie would be awesome.

How about another installment of GIJoe: Resolute? That was the exactly the followup to the 80's cartoon that we all wanted.
 
2013-01-26 02:32:31 PM
Also, Disney is probably gonna cancel Tron: Uprising, and let it end on a cliffhanger.

Wolverine and the X-Men was going to give us the Age of Apocolypse animated(Finally!!!!), but ended on a cliffhanger.
 
2013-01-26 02:35:22 PM

Jarhead_h: Have the last three eps of Last Resort on my hard drive, going to watch tonight.


I still can't believe they were able to wrap up as much as they did with that show in the last episode. Of course as with the rest of the series, you have to ignore anything you may know about how the Navy or federal government actually works.

Jarhead_h: Thundercats reboot. Fire whoever canceled it and bring it back.


So much this. That show was really going well. I can't believe Cartoon Network didn't want to go with it. Well, at least I still have Korra to look forward to over on Nickelodeon.
 
2013-01-26 02:42:30 PM

Mad_Radhu: One thing I have really liked about American Horry Story is the one-storyline per season structure. Just enough time to create a fun, batshiat crazy storyline and finish it out, but not long enough for things to get stupid and repetitive. I particularly thought that the Asylum season that just wrapped up worked really well, especially the Lana and Jude storylines which ended with a lot of closure for the characters. I think more television shows should go for an anthology/mini-series hybrid like that. It really cuts down on the filler and keeps the story from getting unnecessarily dragged out if the show does well, since you can always bring back popular actors in new roles for the following season, like they did with Jessica Lange.



I do like the anthology format and I did overall like this past season of AHS, but it did seem like they were going for a kind of half-assed episodic format this season too. While I think it mostly worked, there was a sense that a lot of shiat was being thrown at the wall to see what sticks. I didn't care much for the finale as I think it wrapped up a lot of storylines rather inconsequentially. The first seasons sort of had an episodic format too, but not nearly to the same extent and it felt like there was a logical ending planned out.
 
2013-01-26 02:48:09 PM

Confabulat: neurodoclove: No mention of Soap?? I randomly stumbled on a marathon Comedy Central was airing for this show like 15 years ago and got completely hooked. I watched every episode over the course of the weekend but then thought I must've missed the damn finale somehow. It wasn't until way later that I found out the series ended on a cliffhanger. Sonofabiatch! Did Jessica die? What happened to Burt??? Come on!

It was revealed on Benson that Jessica ended up in a coma in South America. Nothing else was ever resolved.


Never got a chance to watch Benson -- thank you kind farker.
 
2013-01-26 02:49:39 PM

Mad_Radhu: One thing I have really liked about American Horry Story is the one-storyline per season structure.


Yeah, in season 2 I only saw the first episode and recorded the rest and now that the season's over I can just watch them all in a row. I wish I had the will power to do that with Dexter. I also would get pissed though if Dexter were spoiled before I watched it, don't care quite as much about AHS.

This thread makes it look like I watch TV all the time but I think I've literally mentioned every show I watch regularly.
 
2013-01-26 02:57:12 PM

Jarhead_h: The only thing that worked in the Xfiles finale was any scene with just
Scully and Mulder, like all of season eight. And the second theatrical film


I don't remember much of what happened after the first theatrical X-Files but I'm pretty sure they could have ended it there and not lost much. The clear shark jumping moment was when they replaced Mulder and Scully with the T-1000 and the chick from those 1980s movies.

The Enterprise finale was farking appalling. You said you didn't watch it so in case you didn't know it was Riker and Troi recreating an episode of Enterprise on the holodeck for some reason. It was set during a much earlier episode of TNG, except Troi looked older and Riker was bloated. The Voyager finale was bad too, with them approaching earth after seven years and roll credits without anyone beaming down and saying hello to their friends and family. The TNG and DS9 finales were good.
 
2013-01-26 03:04:14 PM
Just film an ending put it in the can. Then update it as the show continues until cancellation.

/ What happened to Super train did Amtrak discontinue the route ?
 
2013-01-26 03:11:52 PM
Love them or hate them, at least Lost and Galactica had the opportunity to finish telling their story. What the producers did with that chance that's on them.

Dropping a series with no closure sucks.

This season of American Horror Story was definitely strange. So many plot points and story lines brought up, then just dropped. But they did bring closure to pretty much everything so it's not all bad.

/Jessica Lange demands an Emmy for her performance this season.
//She was robbed of the Golden Globe.
///Hell she deserves an Oscar.
 
2013-01-26 03:24:17 PM

Mugato: Jarhead_h: The only thing that worked in the Xfiles finale was any scene with just
Scully and Mulder, like all of season eight. And the second theatrical film

I don't remember much of what happened after the first theatrical X-Files but I'm pretty sure they could have ended it there and not lost much. The clear shark jumping moment was when they replaced Mulder and Scully with the T-1000 and the chick from those 1980s movies.

The Enterprise finale was farking appalling. You said you didn't watch it so in case you didn't know it was Riker and Troi recreating an episode of Enterprise on the holodeck for some reason. It was set during a much earlier episode of TNG, except Troi looked older and Riker was bloated. The Voyager finale was bad too, with them approaching earth after seven years and roll credits without anyone beaming down and saying hello to their friends and family. The TNG and DS9 finales were good.


I DID know, that's why I avoided it. Voyager's finale ended with an anti-climatic "We did it." To be honest, the delivery Kate Mulgrew gave makes me think the original line was "It's over. Thank god." Season six and seven only have half-dozen good episodes between them. There are just too many problems to list. They failed miserably with every single character.

X-Files season six wasn't exceptional, but it was watchable. Season seven had a LOT of FUN filler with a GREAT finale. Honestly they could have condensed seven, eight, and nine into one year and not missed anything. Plus they wouldn't have had to deal with Duchonvy walking away two years in a row. In fact, if nine had to happen at all, it should have seen Mulder and Scully BOTH leave(with baby William), coming back just for the finale. If Carter somehow manages to get another movie(doubtful) they need to get their kid back.
 
2013-01-26 03:38:33 PM
All I'm saying is that I'm glad that they gave Leverage a proper ending.
 
2013-01-26 03:55:48 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: All I'm saying is that I'm glad that they gave Leverage a proper ending.


Amen brother.
 
2013-01-26 04:00:10 PM

BizarreMan: Amen brother.


Shame that it had to come after only five seasons, but... hey, I'll take it.
 
2013-01-26 04:05:53 PM

Jarhead_h: They failed miserably with every single character.


I liked 7 of 9 a lot (not just because of those). Of all the characters who tried to learn about humanity and I think there was one on every show, she was my favorite. The other characters were pretty boring.

It's too bad the last X-Files movie was so Godawful. I don't know what they were thinking with that. The aliens were supposed to invade in 2012 too.
 
2013-01-26 04:23:12 PM

Jarhead_h: Also, Disney is probably gonna cancel Tron: Uprising, and let it end on a cliffhanger.


If it does have a cliffhanger, it won't be much - it takes place before Legacy anyway.
 
2013-01-26 05:07:32 PM

Mugato: Jarhead_h: They failed miserably with every single character.

I liked 7 of 9 a lot (not just because of those). Of all the characters who tried to learn about humanity and I think there was one on every show, she was my favorite. The other characters were pretty boring.

It's too bad the last X-Files movie was so Godawful. I don't know what they were thinking with that. The aliens were supposed to invade in 2012 too.


I didn't start watching Voyager until Seven showed up. She brought a new angle to the show- we'll call it the "interesting" one. She gave the doctor a project, the captain a surrogate daughter, Harry a love interest, B'Lanna someone to butt heads with, student to Tuvok and Neelix, and her appearance gave Kess a great sendoff. Then Jeri Taylor was replaced with Braga, the show peaked with "Timeless" and then began a death spiral from which it never recovered.....

.....Oh, yeah, and she ended up with Chakotay!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

DS9 was the best Trek series hands down. My only quibble would be making Odo back into a Changling. They should have had the guts to stick with the storyline.
 
2013-01-26 05:15:15 PM

kmmontandon: Ishkur: Plan on doing that for Heroes and The Wire next (I'm a little behind).


I wouldn't recommend that for Heroes.

Seriously, don't bother.


Heroes only had one season as far as I'm concerned.
 
2013-01-26 05:22:01 PM

bigtotoro: kmmontandon: Ishkur: Plan on doing that for Heroes and The Wire next (I'm a little behind).


I wouldn't recommend that for Heroes.

Seriously, don't bother.

Heroes only had one season as far as I'm concerned.


I'm still not sure why Heroes is talked about with the kind of reverence reserved for Twin Peaks or Firefly or something. 1 pretty good season and another 3 awful seasons? It's not like we're talking about The Simpsons where season 2 - 8 more than make up for how bland the show has been since season 10.
 
2013-01-26 05:26:08 PM

FeedTheCollapse: bigtotoro: kmmontandon: Ishkur: Plan on doing that for Heroes and The Wire next (I'm a little behind).


I wouldn't recommend that for Heroes.

Seriously, don't bother.

Heroes only had one season as far as I'm concerned.

I'm still not sure why Heroes is talked about with the kind of reverence reserved for Twin Peaks or Firefly or something. 1 pretty good season and another 3 awful seasons? It's not like we're talking about The Simpsons where season 2 - 8 more than make up for how bland the show has been since season 10.


Who the hell talks about Heroes with reverence? It's first season was a legitimately good show. If they had gone with the original plan of changing the cast each season, it might have been a good show year after year. Instead, the subsequent seasons were bad enough that it's generally considered a bad show that's worth watching the first year of.
 
2013-01-26 05:27:45 PM

Jarhead_h: I didn't start watching Voyager until Seven showed up


Good decision, even if it was unintentional. That's when the show started not sucking. Sort of like how DS9 got good when Sisko shaved his head and got the goatee but worse than that because DS9 was never that bad. I wouldn't say Harry was a love interest. He had a crush on her for like one episode and she shot him down. Probably because she figured he wouldn't be alive for much longer since he was always the whipping boy in every episode. If something farked up was going to happen, it happened to him. And yeah, Chakotay. The most boring motherfarker in either quadrant.

And yes, even though Kirk/Spock/McCoy are icons, DS9 was the best overall show. A lot of it had to do with them dropping the "look how perfect and moral humanity is". If it was Picard's responsibility to trick the Romulans into joining the Dominion war, we'd all be speaking Dominion. And if "Hue" the Borg wandered onto DS9 ans Sisko had that paradox virus, the Borg would be one chapter called "The Massacre of Wolf 359...Then the Borg all died somehow".
 
2013-01-26 05:44:30 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: So, give Now and Again a decent ending, then.

Problem solved.


THIS! And Profit!

Damn we were pissed about these shows getting cancelled. At least they gave Alien Nation a couple of movies to wrap things up.

We pretty much never watch network television anymore because of this. I don't even bother to catch up on good shows that managed to survive, like Breaking Bad. Most television isn't worth the effort. I'll stick with things like Game of Thrones.
 
2013-01-26 05:51:19 PM

NeoCortex42: FuryOfFirestorm: BullBearMS: I get pissed off by science fiction shows that hit their stride, only to be canned.

Stargate Universe, Sarah Conner Chronicles, Enterprise....

Grrrrr...

...and Sliders, The 4400, Alphas, Tower Prep, Kyle XY, No Ordinary Family, V...

Okay, I'm going to have to stop you there. I love Sliders. The first two and a half seasons were great, but it was not cancelled in its prime. Season four was terrible, and season five was abysmal.

BizarreMan: and Eureka....

I am also a huge fan of Eureka, but it was beginning to go downhill. Everything since the timeline shift was a bit underwhelming. Almost every case of the week ended up being world-threatening and the Felicia Day arc was way too much of a focus for what seemed like half a season. One more season of the show might have still been good, but the show had a good run of episodes and I'm fine with when it ended.

Personally, I am incredibly disappointed that Alphas got canned. It was excellent, but it was enjoyable and still one of the few new Sci-Fi shows on Syfy.


I'll still never forgive them killing off Nathan Stark. His banter with the sheriff made the show and from then on it was much weaker.
 
2013-01-26 06:07:41 PM

Faddy: The Shield had a pretty awesome finale, it was procedural with lots of shows being crime of the week but there were always asides relating to the bigger plot.


"The Shield" was a show that should have set an example for all other shows, police dramas or not. It did *everything* right, IMHO, and should have been the template that other shows followed (and networks, too, of course). Unfortunately, that didn't happen, and the networks have to understand why I, and many like me, don't bother to watch their shows anymore.
 
2013-01-26 06:39:21 PM

silvervial: THIS! And Profit!

Damn we were pissed about these shows getting cancelled. At least they gave Alien Nation a couple of movies to wrap things up.


Aw, man... if Now and Again had a wrap-up movie, that would've been the BEST.


silvervial: Faddy: The Shield had a pretty awesome finale, it was procedural with lots of shows being crime of the week but there were always asides relating to the bigger plot.

"The Shield" was a show that should have set an example for all other shows, police dramas or not. It did *everything* right, IMHO, and should have been the template that other shows followed (and networks, too, of course). Unfortunately, that didn't happen, and the networks have to understand why I, and many like me, don't bother to watch their shows anymore.


The Shield and its finale were boss. That series finale should have been the example for all other series to follow.


silvervial: We pretty much never watch network television anymore because of this. I don't even bother to catch up on good shows that managed to survive, like Breaking Bad. Most television isn't worth the effort. I'll stick with things like Game of Thrones.


You might want to consider changing this. Season 4 and the first half of Season 5 were pretty damn good.
 
2013-01-26 06:42:03 PM

Mugato: Jarhead_h: The only thing that worked in the Xfiles finale was any scene with just
Scully and Mulder, like all of season eight. And the second theatrical film

I don't remember much of what happened after the first theatrical X-Files but I'm pretty sure they could have ended it there and not lost much. The clear shark jumping moment was when they replaced Mulder and Scully with the T-1000 and the chick from those 1980s movies.


I stopped watching X-Files when Scully put Mulder's name plate in the desk drawer and decided not to look for him, and I had been a DEVOTED X-phile up to that point. I was so disgusted, I have never watched seasons 8 or 9 (though I did buy them on discount to keep my collection complete), but I enjoyed the second movie, except for the M/S romance aspects. I was never a 'shipper, I was a slasher, and lived for Mulder/Krycek and Mulder/Skinner moments and fic.

What was done to my beloved show (and Deadwood and Carnivale and so many others) has permanently soured me on TV.

Now I'll watch things like Top Chef, but I will never get invested in another show again.
 
2013-01-26 06:44:34 PM
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO AUTOMAN, DAMMIT!
 
2013-01-26 07:03:34 PM

silvervial: but I enjoyed the second movie


You were the one?

I was never a 'shipper, I was a slasher, and lived for Mulder/Krycek and Mulder/Skinner moments and fic.

I don't know what that means and I probably don't, do I?
 
2013-01-26 10:34:33 PM

Mugato: Jarhead_h: I didn't start watching Voyager until Seven showed up

Good decision, even if it was unintentional. That's when the show started not sucking. Sort of like how DS9 got good when Sisko shaved his head and got the goatee but worse than that because DS9 was never that bad. I wouldn't say Harry was a love interest. He had a crush on her for like one episode and she shot him down. Probably because she figured he wouldn't be alive for much longer since he was always the whipping boy in every episode. If something farked up was going to happen, it happened to him. And yeah, Chakotay. The most boring motherfarker in either quadrant.

And yes, even though Kirk/Spock/McCoy are icons, DS9 was the best overall show. A lot of it had to do with them dropping the "look how perfect and moral humanity is". If it was Picard's responsibility to trick the Romulans into joining the Dominion war, we'd all be speaking Dominion. And if "Hue" the Borg wandered onto DS9 ans Sisko had that paradox virus, the Borg would be one chapter called "The Massacre of Wolf 359...Then the Borg all died somehow".


Section 31... we finally got to the bottom of just what force the Federation had that made the quadrant safe for starship captains to make preachy utopian speeches.

Harry was Ensign Butt-monkey. the saddest thing is that I saw Garret Wang at a convention in Frisco back after he had just finished filming "Non Sequitur." The line-up that day was Jimmy Doohan, Avery Brooks, the guy that played Rom, and finally Garret, and Garret was the biggest surprise and hands down the most entertaining. We all looked at each other simply couldn't believe that they didn't just tell him to be himself on camera. He was hilarious and full of energy, on top of the world. If they had let that guy out more often the show would have been markedly improved.
 
2013-01-26 10:48:32 PM

Jarhead_h: Section 31... we finally got to the bottom of just what force the Federation had that made the quadrant safe for starship captains to make preachy utopian speeches.


I love Section 31. I'm one of those assholes who wants a S31 series. Or at least mention them in the next film but I don't think JJ knows enough about Trek to even know about them.
 
2013-01-26 10:54:38 PM
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Would like a word
 
2013-01-26 11:02:14 PM
Okay, people, fine!

I'll scratch Heroes off my list.

But the Wire is good, right? ...hell, anything HBO is good, it seems.
 
2013-01-26 11:08:17 PM

Jarhead_h: Harry was Ensign Butt-monkey. the saddest thing is that I saw Garret Wang at a convention in Frisco back after he had just finished filming "Non Sequitur." The line-up that day was Jimmy Doohan, Avery Brooks, the guy that played Rom, and finally Garret, and Garret was the biggest surprise and hands down the most entertaining. We all looked at each other simply couldn't believe that they didn't just tell him to be himself on camera. He was hilarious and full of energy, on top of the world. If they had let that guy out more often the show would have been markedly improved.


Garratt Wang has a big monologue about that too. Apparently the producers told the cast to play down their emotions week after week in order to accentuate the emotions of whatever aliens they came across. This wasn't hard considering Tuvoc was a Vulcan so good luck getting any emotion from him, Seven is a reclaimed Borg who's lost her humanity, and the Doctor is essentially photonic software (albeit pedantic). Chakotay and Kim were written into wall-paper paste, and Neelix was marginalized because nobody liked him. That leaves Torres, Tom Paris and Janeway as the only characters who were allowed to do anything.

What a crappy show.
 
2013-01-27 03:25:08 AM

Ishkur: Okay, people, fine!

I'll scratch Heroes off my list.

But the Wire is good, right? ...hell, anything HBO is good, it seems.


Watch the first season of Heroes. It's good TV. The creator never got to make the second season as originally intended, because the network wanted to create a franchise around the characters instead of around the concept (which seems dumb to me because it seems swapping out the actors each season prevents actor saleries from becoming bloated, but hey).

The first season does work as a story unto itself, with a satisfying conclusion. You don't need to skip it because what came after wasn't as good. The various sequels and expansions of Highlander are all on a sliding scale of terrible, but the original movie is still fantastic and completely watchable.

The Wire is fantastic. I first watched it about a year and a half ago. Devoured it, I should say. A year later I did so again. I wouldn't be surprised to find myself watching it again this year.
 
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