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2013-01-26 01:35:32 AM
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2013-01-26 01:37:25 AM

biyaaatci: My name is biyaaatci and I'm an alcoholic.


Hi biyaaatci. Thanks for sharing.

But at some point we alcoholics all question whether or not we are and most of us lie to ourselves and begin to do things we said we'd never do and make excuses as to why it's okay to do that. In my case, I began to drink in the car and hide booze from my family to enjoy at times I was alone and wouldn't be hassled over it.

You and I have much in common.

/7 months in AA. 6 days sober.
//Progress, not perfection.
 
2013-01-26 01:39:33 AM
Binge drinkers have always been classified as alcoholics.
 
2013-01-26 01:40:30 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: 7 months in AA. 6 days sober.


Keep coming back.
 
2013-01-26 01:43:24 AM
Hmph. It's getting so that every time you see a doctor and you admit to having a drink or two once every three or four weeks, they'll start grilling you as if you're an alcoholic.
 
2013-01-26 01:51:33 AM

James F. Campbell: Hmph. It's getting so that every time you see a doctor and you admit to having a drink or two once every three or four weeks, they'll start grilling you as if you're an alcoholic.


I think you're exaggerating, my doctor told me that drinking more red wine would be good for me.

/law school is bad for my liver though
 
2013-01-26 01:51:51 AM
Im not an alcoholic Im a drunk. Alcoholics go to meetings
 
2013-01-26 01:54:38 AM

James F. Campbell: Hmph. It's getting so that every time you see a doctor and you admit to having a drink or two once every three or four weeks, they'll start grilling you as if you're an alcoholic.


Why are you talking to a doctor? Quacks, all of them!

anyhoo, they have to expand the definition, so it seems like there is a bigger problem, so they can get more funding and more patients for insurance companies to pay for treatement for.

They did it with diabetes, morbid obesity, poverty... all kinds of things. If your epidemic is growing fast enough to be profitable, change the definition.
 
2013-01-26 01:55:43 AM

biyaaatci: Fuggin Bizzy: 7 months in AA. 6 days sober.

Keep coming back.


Thanks, man. You too.
 
2013-01-26 02:00:13 AM
For what it's worth, I don't think drinking alone necessarily means you are at greater risk, or have more of a drinking problem. Some people recharge by having fun in a group, and drinking makes it more fun. But for others, being around other people is exhausting. It doesn't relax them, it saps their energy. It feels like work.

That's me. I like to drink alone for the same reasons that other people like to drink in a group. And I'm not lonely: happily married, two kids, good job, blah blah blah. Just not very social.

So that's how it is for me. Maybe that's not how it is for you though. Be careful.
 
2013-01-26 02:09:44 AM
Drinking alone is a lonely and habit forming alternative than to be with people.  We are a social species, if you cannot tolerate people then drink alone or play wow, smoke dope, write, work, worship, or wack off.  What's so bad about people?
 
2013-01-26 02:15:47 AM
Drinking alone......hmmmm......listening to vinyl, scotch in hand, comfy chair....yea...leave me the f alone........

It is the dysfunctional people who have to have others around so that they are babysat.
 
2013-01-26 02:15:55 AM
 What's so bad about people?

where do you want me to start?
 
2013-01-26 02:16:26 AM
And the DSM-V is STILL better reading than Fifty Shades of Grey.
 
2013-01-26 02:18:09 AM
So this is bad? I can't process this yet I need a need a drink frist.
 
2013-01-26 02:22:15 AM

Oxotoxo: Drinking alone is a lonely and habit forming alternative than to be with people.  We are a social species, if you cannot tolerate people then drink alone or play wow, smoke dope, write, work, worship, or wack off.  What's so bad about people?


There are two kinds of people in this world, and I don't like them.
 
2013-01-26 02:22:52 AM
There seems to be an effort to merge together all alcohol problems so that any drinking can classify one as an alcoholic.

We are seeming to lose the notion of bender as a milestone of how bad an alcohol problem someone has. A bender is when someone drinks contentiously until they pass out and then when they wake up they drink more and the whole process can be iterated for days. I once lived in a neighborhood were I would often see this mild looking well dressed guy who would often go on benders and turn into someone almost unrecognizable with filthy cloths and a red puffy face.

Yes I know that people can have alcohol problems without progressing to the bender stage but going on benders is a sure sign of some problem.

Then again is an occasional bender a real sign of a problem. I once worked for a small company where the Swedish janitor would take 3 sick days a year to go on a bender and I guess get it out of his system because he seemed sober yet cranky at work. Did he have a problem or was he successfully dealing with it?

I myself have been unable to drink myself into a bender and have had very few occasions where I have passed out from alcohol.
 
2013-01-26 02:22:55 AM
Sadly, just buzzed this evening. This article is silly though. If it turns out to be true, me drinking casually at a rush party (definitely 4-5 in the night, total) would be binge drinking.

Fark that. I can't feel 4-5 drinks over 6 hours.
 
2013-01-26 02:37:59 AM

Oxotoxo: Drinking alone is a lonely and habit forming alternative than to be with people.  We are a social species, if you cannot tolerate people then drink alone or play wow, smoke dope, write, work, worship, or wack off.  What's so bad about people?


Well, ... people, mostly.
 
2013-01-26 02:50:35 AM

rynthetyn: James F. Campbell: Hmph. It's getting so that every time you see a doctor and you admit to having a drink or two once every three or four weeks, they'll start grilling you as if you're an alcoholic.

I think you're exaggerating, my doctor told me that drinking more red wine would be good for me.

/law school is bad for my liver though


It all depends on the doctor you go to. I no longer admit drinking to most of mine.

/I went to the emergency room on a holiday one night and the nurse asked me how many drinks I had had I told her(It wasn't many, I think 4) and she asked me how long I had been binge drinking.
 
2013-01-26 02:53:02 AM

nekulor: 4-5 drinks over 6 hours.


Depending on your metabolism, you wouldn't even be over the legal limit to drive.
 
2013-01-26 02:54:26 AM

HairBolus: There seems to be an effort to merge together all alcohol problems so that any drinking can classify one as an alcoholic.

We are seeming to lose the notion of bender as a milestone of how bad an alcohol problem someone has. A bender is when someone drinks contentiously until they pass out and then when they wake up they drink more and the whole process can be iterated for days. I once lived in a neighborhood were I would often see this mild looking well dressed guy who would often go on benders and turn into someone almost unrecognizable with filthy cloths and a red puffy face.

Yes I know that people can have alcohol problems without progressing to the bender stage but going on benders is a sure sign of some problem.

Then again is an occasional bender a real sign of a problem. I once worked for a small company where the Swedish janitor would take 3 sick days a year to go on a bender and I guess get it out of his system because he seemed sober yet cranky at work. Did he have a problem or was he successfully dealing with it?

I myself have been unable to drink myself into a bender and have had very few occasions where I have passed out from alcohol.


So very true if you more an a few times a week your an alcoholic now. And goddess forbid you drink more than 2 servings at a time.
 
2013-01-26 02:57:01 AM
Im an Alcoholic . . . and I am getting a kick out of this
 
2013-01-26 03:01:58 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: rynthetyn: James F. Campbell: Hmph. It's getting so that every time you see a doctor and you admit to having a drink or two once every three or four weeks, they'll start grilling you as if you're an alcoholic.

I think you're exaggerating, my doctor told me that drinking more red wine would be good for me.

/law school is bad for my liver though

It all depends on the doctor you go to. I no longer admit drinking to most of mine.

/I went to the emergency room on a holiday one night and the nurse asked me how many drinks I had had I told her(It wasn't many, I think 4) and she asked me how long I had been binge drinking.


Had a similar experience...but, as obnoxious as some ER staff might be about that sort of thing, I really wouldn't recommend the non-disclosure route. Some meds that they will give you in the ER, if they mix with alcohol in the blood, could hurt or kill you.

Take the lecture, laugh about it later. Walk out alive.

My 2 cents.
 
2013-01-26 03:04:19 AM

Boonaroo: Im an Alcoholic . . . and I am getting a kick out of this


I'll bet and tonight I've had lots of servings and am just a drunk I know, I've been there, may even need to do it all again but for my own reasons.
 
2013-01-26 03:09:43 AM

Bumblefark: tinfoil-hat maggie: rynthetyn: James F. Campbell: Hmph. It's getting so that every time you see a doctor and you admit to having a drink or two once every three or four weeks, they'll start grilling you as if you're an alcoholic.

I think you're exaggerating, my doctor told me that drinking more red wine would be good for me.

/law school is bad for my liver though

It all depends on the doctor you go to. I no longer admit drinking to most of mine.

/I went to the emergency room on a holiday one night and the nurse asked me how many drinks I had had I told her(It wasn't many, I think 4) and she asked me how long I had been binge drinking.

Had a similar experience...but, as obnoxious as some ER staff might be about that sort of thing, I really wouldn't recommend the non-disclosure route. Some meds that they will give you in the ER, if they mix with alcohol in the blood, could hurt or kill you.

Take the lecture, laugh about it later. Walk out alive.

My 2 cents.


That's actually a good idea and I was just thinking the same as well as for those going for surgery or rehab or well lots of things.

/Yea drunks lie about the drinking and I guess they have to decide anyone that says they drink some is one
 
2013-01-26 03:18:57 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm not drinking alone

/there are dozens of Farkers drinking with me


Same here. That, and the voices in my head keep me company. The best part is they get to drink for free.
 
2013-01-26 03:58:15 AM
CSB time:

About five years ago, on a Friday afternoon, before I had any drinks, I ended up in the emergency room because I had a mild case of jaundice( I didn't notice it, but my friends did). One of the first things they ask you, when in the emergency room, is how much do you drink? I made the mistake of telling the truth and I said l normally drink four or five beers on Fridays when I go out with my friends. That apparently classified me as a binge drinker. I got a bunch of pamphlets on the effects of binge drinking and one for AA and was sent home with a lecture on no more drinking or I will die. It turns out I had pancreatitis and ended up back in the hospital the following Monday. I ended up staying there for three days.

My point? Lie when they ask. It may save you thousands of dollars.
 
2013-01-26 03:59:24 AM
Alcoholics Unanimous.
 
2013-01-26 04:04:08 AM

Torqueknot: CSB time:

About five years ago, on a Friday afternoon, before I had any drinks, I ended up in the emergency room because I had a mild case of jaundice( I didn't notice it, but my friends did). One of the first things they ask you, when in the emergency room, is how much do you drink? I made the mistake of telling the truth and I said l normally drink four or five beers on Fridays when I go out with my friends. That apparently classified me as a binge drinker. I got a bunch of pamphlets on the effects of binge drinking and one for AA and was sent home with a lecture on no more drinking or I will die. It turns out I had pancreatitis and ended up back in the hospital the following Monday. I ended up staying there for three days.

My point? Lie when they ask. It may save you thousands of dollars.


Wow, I'm glad I only went in for a burned hand, and I didn't even get pamphlets, I guess they were out of them due to the holidays.
 
2013-01-26 04:21:13 AM

Torqueknot: CSB time:

About five years ago, on a Friday afternoon, before I had any drinks, I ended up in the emergency room because I had a mild case of jaundice( I didn't notice it, but my friends did). One of the first things they ask you, when in the emergency room, is how much do you drink? I made the mistake of telling the truth and I said l normally drink four or five beers on Fridays when I go out with my friends. That apparently classified me as a binge drinker. I got a bunch of pamphlets on the effects of binge drinking and one for AA and was sent home with a lecture on no more drinking or I will die. It turns out I had pancreatitis and ended up back in the hospital the following Monday. I ended up staying there for three days.

My point? Lie when they ask. It may save you thousands of dollars.


Why is it saving you thousands?? Do you think you will be locked up in rehab or the loony bin? They don't do that anymore, thankfully.

It's way safer to be honest about having alcohol in your system. You can throw away the AA pamphlets.
 
2013-01-26 04:35:08 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: HairBolus: There seems to be an effort to merge together all alcohol problems so that any drinking can classify one as an alcoholic.

We are seeming to lose the notion of bender as a milestone of how bad an alcohol problem someone has. A bender is when someone drinks contentiously until they pass out and then when they wake up they drink more and the whole process can be iterated for days. I once lived in a neighborhood were I would often see this mild looking well dressed guy who would often go on benders and turn into someone almost unrecognizable with filthy cloths and a red puffy face.

Yes I know that people can have alcohol problems without progressing to the bender stage but going on benders is a sure sign of some problem.

Then again is an occasional bender a real sign of a problem. I once worked for a small company where the Swedish janitor would take 3 sick days a year to go on a bender and I guess get it out of his system because he seemed sober yet cranky at work. Did he have a problem or was he successfully dealing with it?

I myself have been unable to drink myself into a bender and have had very few occasions where I have passed out from alcohol.

So very true if you more an a few times a week your an alcoholic now. And goddess forbid you drink more than 2 servings at a time.


Many alcoholics lie about how much they drink. As a rule of thumb this can badly be abused.

Maybe 10 years ago I had to go the the hospital. As part of the intake interview they asked how much I drank and I answered honestly - maybe 2 or 4 beers many of the days of the week. However before the interview started some asshole teaching doctor with a flock of med students arrived to witness the interview. The asshole doctor used my interview as a learning experience saying that any self reported alcohol consumption means that the consumer is an alcoholic and that the figures need to be multiplied by a factor between 3 and 10. So I entered the hospital classified as an alcoholic Eventually they realized I wasn't despite the asshole teaching doctor.
 
2013-01-26 04:44:23 AM
I think that drinking alone normalizes drinking as part of the every day, all the time routine. If it's a possibility all the time, then it may just become something you want / need to do all the time.

Coming from a long, long line of alcoholics and more recently, reformed alcoholics, I've found one piece of advice to keep, whether it makes sense or not. Don't drink to get drunk or even buzzed. Drink when it's part of a dinner or hanging out with friends, but never, ever drink with the sole purpose of drinking until it feels good.
 
2013-01-26 04:46:00 AM
The issue with classification and diagnosis of problem drinking is all in definition, in medicine and psychiatry.

There are multiple definitions of binge drinking currently, problem one. There is no "official" one, but depends on the leanings of the health care provider.

In one, binge drinking is 4 or more drinks on one occassion for females, 5 for males. The problem is, what is an occassion? A wedding? Saturday?

Another definition has added a time...2 hours, which gets closer to a more objectively measured criterion.

But niaaa only says that binge drinking is a pattern of drinking which raises bac to .08, and then references the above number if drinks AND time only as a correspondence.

If a male of average height and weight drinks a six pack over a long sunday afternoon of sports watching, say noon to 7, he may technically be "binge drinking" on one definition, but not others (time, BAC).

Another male of average height and weight may toss four consecutive shots of 100 proof whisky, raising bac above .08 within the time period, but not above the defined number of drinks according to another definition.

Ambiguity is not definition, and for this reason, a better definition is needed if consensus is to be reached.
 
2013-01-26 04:57:19 AM

HairBolus: tinfoil-hat maggie: HairBolus: There seems to be an effort to merge together all alcohol problems so that any drinking can classify one as an alcoholic.

We are seeming to lose the notion of bender as a milestone of how bad an alcohol problem someone has. A bender is when someone drinks contentiously until they pass out and then when they wake up they drink more and the whole process can be iterated for days. I once lived in a neighborhood were I would often see this mild looking well dressed guy who would often go on benders and turn into someone almost unrecognizable with filthy cloths and a red puffy face.

Yes I know that people can have alcohol problems without progressing to the bender stage but going on benders is a sure sign of some problem.

Then again is an occasional bender a real sign of a problem. I once worked for a small company where the Swedish janitor would take 3 sick days a year to go on a bender and I guess get it out of his system because he seemed sober yet cranky at work. Did he have a problem or was he successfully dealing with it?

I myself have been unable to drink myself into a bender and have had very few occasions where I have passed out from alcohol.

So very true if you more an a few times a week your an alcoholic now. And goddess forbid you drink more than 2 servings at a time.

Many alcoholics lie about how much they drink. As a rule of thumb this can badly be abused.

Maybe 10 years ago I had to go the the hospital. As part of the intake interview they asked how much I drank and I answered honestly - maybe 2 or 4 beers many of the days of the week. However before the interview started some asshole teaching doctor with a flock of med students arrived to witness the interview. The asshole doctor used my interview as a learning experience saying that any self reported alcohol consumption means that the consumer is an alcoholic and that the figures need to be multiplied by a factor between 3 and 10. So I entered the hospital classif ...


Oh, I know I told a shrink I drank and what I drank and she multiplied that by three and wanted to put me on ativan and send me to rehab I found out later she worked for the rehab.
They all do it now it seems. It's best to tell them you only drink early and maybe at holidays, even then one day that will be to much.

/And why shouldn't people get a good drunk on?
 
2013-01-26 05:22:18 AM
The obvious tag is standing outside the thread, in a puddle of it's own puke, yelling at the link and asking why we don't love it anymore.
 
2013-01-26 05:26:38 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: i want beer but they stopped selling it after 12am
fortunately i met a hooker


Did she have any blow?
 
2013-01-26 05:29:38 AM

supersucker: Personally, I find my intake as much as quintuples if I drink alone because I have to get drunk enough I'm not lonely. That's why I'm quitting for a while. It's a common enough theme in other people's stories I've heard. Other people are fine.

The best way to solve the problem is get a family.


Depends on the family. Since I got divorced, I no longer feel the need to drink. I'm much less lonely now that I'm alone.
 
2013-01-26 05:39:36 AM
shiat like this is retarded because it not only over diagnoses people for treatment they don't need, but can drive away people who do need treatment because they figure the Dr. is full of shiat classifying everyone as having a problem.

Also there's the issue that trying to paint with a broad brush means that treatment will be ineffective. There's different things that need to be done for a binge drinker and an alcoholic. If someone is hurting their health because they like to party too hard, but are not addicted to alcohol the treatment is different than someone who has an actual addiction. In both cases consuming too much alcohol is harming their health/life/etc but the reasons it is happening is different and thus the treatment is different.

This would be like seeing two people who are hobbling, one because they've broken their leg and the other because they are missing their leg below the knee, and suggesting that the problem is the same and a prosthetic is what is needed.
 
2013-01-26 05:41:27 AM

MacWizard: supersucker: Personally, I find my intake as much as quintuples if I drink alone because I have to get drunk enough I'm not lonely. That's why I'm quitting for a while. It's a common enough theme in other people's stories I've heard. Other people are fine.

The best way to solve the problem is get a family.

Depends on the family. Since I got divorced, I no longer feel the need to drink. I'm much less lonely now that I'm alone.


Oh, sorry, I always hated that feeling of being with someone yet completely alone : (
/I've been there
//Hope things are better.
 
2013-01-26 06:08:14 AM

nekulor: Sadly, just buzzed this evening. This article is silly though. If it turns out to be true, me drinking casually at a rush party (definitely 4-5 in the night, total) would be binge drinking.

Fark that. I can't feel 4-5 drinks over 6 hours.


Now I have to go read the article:

why is a Times article referring to a study done in Australia, using data on Australians, when the article seems to be based on a research study done at VCU on VCU students, and then says it likes the VCU study better because the numbers are more pleasing.

I didn't see any exact numbers for drinks per sitting, but I do think I like the UK method of measuring consumption. It's not about having so many in a night, it's about averages. As in, for health reasons you really shouldn't regularly consume more than x units a day. Where regularly means every or almost every day during the week.
 
2013-01-26 06:14:05 AM
"All" of us, subby? The last time I had alcohol was three weeks ago at a post New Year's get-together with my running group. Had two beers (which were enough to get me nice and buzzed; I'm a lightweight.)

Can't remember when I drank before that.
 
2013-01-26 07:51:47 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: You and I have much in common.
/7 months in AA. 6 days sober.
//Progress, not perfection.


fuggin bizzy, good luck to you. You are one of my faves, and by Montana standards, practically a neighbor.
It takes a while. I didn't sober up until a few years after rehab. Several tries in AA....but once I figured it out, I had it. The desire went away and I never drank again. It really happens.

Torqueknot: CSB time:
I got a bunch of pamphlets on the effects of binge drinking and one for AA and was sent home with a lecture on no more drinking or I will die. It turns out I had pancreatitis and ended up back in the hospital the following Monday. I ended up staying there for three days.
My point? Lie when they ask. It may save you thousands of dollars.


Most people who get pancreatitis are serious, hard-core drinkers. Just saying. My cousin has almost died from it, but he keeps on drinking. Just not as much. it will kill you, and there isn't much they can do to treat it. Except the person has to quit farking drinking.

So try to cut them some slack on this one--I think it's unusual to have pancreatitis if you're not a heavy drinker. And yes, of course alcoholics lie like crazy about how much they drink.
 
2013-01-26 08:16:44 AM
Hey subby, Thanks for telling me what I already know!
 
2013-01-26 08:44:17 AM
If they want to be taken seriously and help people they should come up with better criteria instead of just moving the needle on the existing scale in the direction of "everyone's an alcoholic".
 
2013-01-26 08:49:15 AM
By that definition I have a major ice cream problem. "I'll just take one spoonful then put it back...ohhh that was good maybe one more. Wow this ice cream is quite excellent! Maybe just a bit more. I think my mouth is numb from cold, I'm putting this down. Well, maybe I should just finish this damn thing so I don't eat more of it..."

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-26 08:56:37 AM
Next thing you know, you toss one off and your a sex offender.
 
2013-01-26 08:58:09 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: MacWizard: supersucker: Personally, I find my intake as much as quintuples if I drink alone because I have to get drunk enough I'm not lonely. That's why I'm quitting for a while. It's a common enough theme in other people's stories I've heard. Other people are fine.

The best way to solve the problem is get a family.

Depends on the family. Since I got divorced, I no longer feel the need to drink. I'm much less lonely now that I'm alone.

Oh, sorry, I always hated that feeling of being with someone yet completely alone : (
/I've been there
//Hope things are better.


Much better. Like being released from prison, but without the whole being-unemployable handicap. Thanks for asking.
 
2013-01-26 09:15:41 AM
Drinking problem = alcoholism?

2.bp.blogspot.com

"What a pisser."
 
2013-01-26 09:23:31 AM

lordjupiter: If they want to be taken seriously and help people they should come up with better criteria instead of just moving the needle on the existing scale in the direction of "everyone's an alcoholic".


Alcoholics know they're alcoholics. The only people who go into a frenzy about stuff like this are people who aren't alcoholics, or people who already know they are, but don't want to deal with it yet. So why do you care? It either doesn't apply to you, or you already know you're in trouble, and you didn't need to find it out from the latest Time article, or by what the DSM says.

SweetDickens: It is the dysfunctional people who have to have others around so that they are babysat.


Little-known fact. You'd think that the most "popular" people are the most well-adjusted. I've usually found it to be just the opposite. People who can't stand to be alone, who socialize constantly, talk about all their "friends" constantly--they're the farked-up ones. They can't stand to be alone with the thoughts in their heads, and since they hate themselves, they need to surround themselves with anyone they can call a friend, just so they don't feel so alone and worthless.

That said, don't get drunk alone. It sends you down a bad path.
 
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