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2013-01-25 08:40:17 PM
*hic*
And?
 
2013-01-25 08:45:22 PM
Will we get some sort of badge or ribbon for this achievement?
 
2013-01-25 08:46:23 PM
Billy West, of cartoon fame, has the greatest drinking story I've ever heard.

His Irish Catholic uncles were, back in the day, Irish Catholics. That pretty much says it all right there about their love of the brew. So what they'd do when they were drinkin' hard is head back to their factory and sleep in the doorway so they wouldn't be late the next day.
 
2013-01-25 08:54:19 PM

Ennuipoet: Will we get some sort of badge or ribbon for this achievement?


A tiny chrome plated trophy with an engraved plate that says Fark Participant?
 
2013-01-25 09:00:04 PM
Excellent! Let's go get hammered!
 
2013-01-25 09:16:50 PM
I'll believe it when I read it in the new DSM.

"This is what it says, I promise, and this is my interpretation." Is not good enough evidence.
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2013-01-25 09:21:40 PM
 
2013-01-25 09:32:02 PM
I prefer to think of myself as a pro-am drinker.
 
2013-01-25 10:08:39 PM
I have always thought of my self as a mildly functional soak...
 
2013-01-25 10:17:46 PM
"offishully"

FTFBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARF
 
2013-01-25 10:42:54 PM
Cheers! I do believe I should have a drink to celebrate the good news!
 
2013-01-25 10:48:23 PM
So I was just wondering something and then I saw this thread and figured this would be a great place to ask my question.

Why is drinking alone supposed to be a bad thing? Do NOT say, "Because that means you have a problem."

I want to know why drinking alone suggests you have a problem.
 
2013-01-25 11:00:45 PM
Now?

/what the hell was I before?
 
2013-01-25 11:44:33 PM

jaylectricity: I want to know why drinking alone suggests you have a problem.


Because when you're not out with people and there's no one to talk to or other things to do, you wind up moving down the ladder from functional to non-functional.
 
2013-01-25 11:59:42 PM

doglover: jaylectricity: I want to know why drinking alone suggests you have a problem.

Because when you're not out with people and there's no one to talk to or other things to do, you wind up moving down the ladder from functional to non-functional.


Why would having 100 milliliters of bourbon while watching an intelligent documentary mean you have a problem? Why would having 4 beers while watching that documentary mean you have a problem?

Why couldn't a person have a few drinks, build a fire, get rid of some old furniture in their backyard, then cook dinner for their spouse?

I guess the real response I have is, how does one move down the ladder?  You basically just said, "You can't drink alone because you'll end up having a problem." I asked why. You answered with nonsense.

You just said exactly what I said not to say. "Hurr durr because you have a problem."
 
2013-01-26 12:10:47 AM

jaylectricity: I guess the real response I have is, how does one move down the ladder?


No idea. It just happens so often it's a good idea to always watch yourself.

I drink alone sometimes, too. Most do.

But it's a slippery slope. Not one of those fake political ones where legalizing gay marriage means the president will force your children to marry farm animals, but a real slippery slope many people fall down and die. For reals.

I know people who have had a drinking problem. Those folks went from a glass to a bottle to a case. Every one of 'em.

Other people never go down that road.

The alone thing is just a rule of thumb. It's a good indicator, with all the social pressures, that anyone who gets drunk on their own will be drinking too much.
 
2013-01-26 12:13:07 AM

doglover: The alone thing is just a rule of thumb. It's a good indicator, with all the social pressures, that anyone who gets drunk on their own will be drinking too much.


That's closer to the kind of answer I'm looking for. I'm wondering if anybody has something better.
 
2013-01-26 12:32:16 AM
I'm not drinking alone

/there are dozens of Farkers drinking with me
 
2013-01-26 12:34:56 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm not drinking alone

/there are dozens of Farkers drinking with me


I agree with that. I think we've established that over the years. You're not drinking alone if you're drinking and interacting with internet strangers. But I suppose that doglover might say that you're drinking anonymously with drunken strangers.
 
2013-01-26 12:38:01 AM

sno man: Ennuipoet: Will we get some sort of badge or ribbon for this achievement?

A tiny chrome plated trophy with an engraved plate that says Fark Participant?


I was told they all read, "Asshole".

I'm going to have to complain about mine now.
 
2013-01-26 12:49:32 AM

jaylectricity: doglover: The alone thing is just a rule of thumb. It's a good indicator, with all the social pressures, that anyone who gets drunk on their own will be drinking too much.

That's closer to the kind of answer I'm looking for. I'm wondering if anybody has something better.


There are no hard and fast rules in addiction, but the exceptions prove the generalizations.

Personally, I find my intake as much as quintuples if I drink alone because I have to get drunk enough I'm not lonely. That's why I'm quitting for a while. It's a common enough theme in other people's stories I've heard. Other people are fine.

The best way to solve the problem is get a family. Then you're not alone and can stop drinking as a stopgap to the emptiness.
 
2013-01-26 12:54:17 AM

doglover: jaylectricity: doglover: The alone thing is just a rule of thumb. It's a good indicator, with all the social pressures, that anyone who gets drunk on their own will be drinking too much.

That's closer to the kind of answer I'm looking for. I'm wondering if anybody has something better.

There are no hard and fast rules in addiction, but the exceptions prove the generalizations.

Personally, I find my intake as much as quintuples if I drink alone because I have to get drunk enough I'm not lonely. That's why I'm quitting for a while. It's a common enough theme in other people's stories I've heard. Other people are fine.

The best way to solve the problem is get a family. Then you're not alone and can stop drinking as a stopgap to the emptiness.


I'm too drunk to process this...but I'm getting a family soon, so you're probably right!
 
2013-01-26 12:55:16 AM
We're rapidly approaching the time when needing to breathe will be called "air addiction syndrome" and called a disease.
 
2013-01-26 12:56:21 AM
FTFA: "Many young people who get into early trouble because of substance abuse never become dependent and shouldn't be lumped together with long term addicts." This may become especially problematic under the Affordable Care Act, which increases screening for alcohol problems that could pick up these mild cases and leave them on the patient's electronic medical record.

And a lifetime of dealing with those annoying people who tell you you're an alcoholic in denial.
 
2013-01-26 12:59:09 AM
When one drinks socially there are reasons to drink moderately. Social pressures help keep one in check. When one is by themselves there are no social pressures. There's no need to converse with anyone, If one has an addictive personality that likes to keep going then it's easy to see why people who drink alone may get themselves into trouble.
 
2013-01-26 01:01:24 AM
I don't see a huge problem with this, and I'm a pretty heavy drinker.

It's not several diseases with clear delineated parts. It's a spectrum between 'I will drink every day or get DTs' to 'drinks in excess occasionally despite knowing that it's a poor choice'. It's better to see it and treat it as such.
 
2013-01-26 01:01:30 AM

SpdrJay: We're rapidly approaching the time when needing to breathe will be called "air addiction syndrome" and called a disease.


This

The entire article to me seemed like an effort to maintain the need for the discipline rather than actually solve anything or do anything worthwhile
 
2013-01-26 01:01:30 AM
fta The new diagnosis combines abuse and dependence into a single condition with varying levels of severity.

I just popped the cap on my second level of severity
 
2013-01-26 01:04:28 AM
jaylectricity: I want to know why drinking alone suggests you have a problem.

I think that this, like so many things, got over-generalized. Some alcoholics drink alone to avoid anyone seeing or commenting on their drinking. If you're hiding your drinking, you probably have a drinking problem (or an overzealous neo-prohibitionist in the vicinity).

But just having a few drinks while alone isn't necessarily a problem. Plenty of people have some wine with dinner or a few beers while watching the game when they're alone. It doesn't make them problem drinkers.

I've heard people claim that if you're the only one drinking when you're with anyone else that also means you have a problem It's also BS. The fact that I want a glass of wine and my husband doesn't is not indicative of a drinking problem. It's indicative of wanting a glass of wine.

The basic definition of addiction is continuing use despite negative consequences.
 
2013-01-26 01:04:38 AM
I was looking at this new gadget the vaportini. Any farkers have experience with anything like this? Is it safe?
 
2013-01-26 01:05:54 AM

jaylectricity: So I was just wondering something and then I saw this thread and figured this would be a great place to ask my question.

Why is drinking alone supposed to be a bad thing? Do NOT say, "Because that means you have a problem."

I want to know why drinking alone suggests you have a problem.


I think that only extroverts think this. On Fark we all know that drinking is a good thing---those of use who are introverts also know that being alone is a good thing, and therefore, that drinking alone is a good thing.
 
2013-01-26 01:06:27 AM
This article is lame because it only cites college and high school kids. what about the rest of us ol' codgers?

/Didn't read the whole article
//wanted to test my typing skills under the influence
/// going to bed
 
2013-01-26 01:06:38 AM
I'm not an alcoholic, I'm a professional.
I'm from Wisconsin.
 
2013-01-26 01:07:05 AM

jaylectricity: doglover: jaylectricity: I want to know why drinking alone suggests you have a problem.

Because when you're not out with people and there's no one to talk to or other things to do, you wind up moving down the ladder from functional to non-functional.

Why would having 100 milliliters of bourbon while watching an intelligent documentary mean you have a problem? Why would having 4 beers while watching that documentary mean you have a problem?

Why couldn't a person have a few drinks, build a fire, get rid of some old furniture in their backyard, then cook dinner for their spouse?

I guess the real response I have is, how does one move down the ladder?  You basically just said, "You can't drink alone because you'll end up having a problem." I asked why. You answered with nonsense.

You just said exactly what I said not to say. "Hurr durr because you have a problem."


I don't think that is really indicative of a problem, regardless of what the DSM says. Now, if you are knocking back a few before you leave for work......
 
2013-01-26 01:08:58 AM

Kingly Weevil: I'll believe it when I read it in the new DSM.


I'm just hoping Never Nude Syndrome will finally be recognized in the DSM-V.
 
2013-01-26 01:11:45 AM
WHOOT!
*burrrrrp*
 
2013-01-26 01:12:39 AM

beer4breakfast: When one drinks socially there are reasons to drink moderately. Social pressures help keep one in check. When one is by themselves there are no social pressures. There's no need to converse with anyone, If one has an addictive personality that likes to keep going then it's easy to see why people who drink alone may get themselves into trouble.


This and this

There are no hard and fast rules in addiction, but the exceptions prove the generalizations.

Personally, I find my intake as much as quintuples if I drink alone because I have to get drunk enough I'm not lonely. That's why I'm quitting for a while. It's a common enough theme in other people's stories I've heard. Other people are fine.

The best way to solve the problem is get a family. Then you're not alone and can stop drinking as a stopgap to the emptiness

As I sit here commenting after my 9th Pilsner Urquell while my wife is out of town on a cold winter's eve.

I did prepare rib tips for tomorrow though to go on the smoker, at a high of 27F.

And I will buy more beer and probably a Boston Butt as well and make BBQ tomorrow since I am firing up the smoker anyway.

Then go back to work on Monday.

That is what I do to stop the emptiness, but yet those comments are some wise insights to my current behavior and made me think a bit.

////mmmm BBQ
 
2013-01-26 01:12:56 AM
Need moar beer, then red the tfa tits
 
2013-01-26 01:15:12 AM
No futurama reference? Son I am disappoint

/on phone not worth the hassle of posting pics
//good news everybody...you're now reading this is prof farnsworths voice
 
2013-01-26 01:15:46 AM

R. Paulson: Need moar beer, then red the tfa tits


Here is a perfect example of the article.
 
2013-01-26 01:18:51 AM
DSM-V, truly the 4th edition D&D of diagnostic manuals. Hooray simplifications that make basic logical and practical distinctions impossible, I guess.
 
2013-01-26 01:20:27 AM
i want beer but they stopped selling it after 12am
fortunately i met a hooker
 
2013-01-26 01:23:23 AM
'Bout damn time!
 
2013-01-26 01:25:09 AM
I have to admit I gazed longingly at the moonshine before I got my fifth of Buffalo Trace this evening
 
2013-01-26 01:27:54 AM
http://www.hulu.com/watch/3517
 
2013-01-26 01:28:09 AM
I"m still at work another hour, then a half hour drive home, and then DRINK until the sun comes up
 
2013-01-26 01:30:36 AM
Well, not anymore. Not since this pesky cirrhosis I got at 34.

/sober 3 years
//misses Sierra Nevada pale ale
 
2013-01-26 01:31:29 AM
My name is biyaaatci and I'm an alcoholic. For real. A few things here- IMHO, drinking alone, by itself, does not make one an alcoholic, but it is one of the lines that the vast majority of alcoholics cross on their way to becoming one. It's arbitrary, but it's a common enough theme that it becomes part of the tune most of us sing. It was one of the things I told myself was normal in order to justify my own behavior. I'm not one to tell anyone they have a problem. That's for you to decide. But at some point we alcoholics all question whether or not we are and most of us lie to ourselves and begin to do things we said we'd never do and make excuses as to why it's okay to do that. In my case, I began to drink in the car and hide booze from my family to enjoy at times I was alone and wouldn't be hassled over it. I began lying to myself and others about what I was doing and making excuses for my behavior. That was when I felt I crossed the line from problem drinking to alcoholism. I never missed work, or stole, or beat my wife, or anything like that, but I was causing problems for myself and others and my actions were endangering people. In short, I couldn't be trusted to do the right thing.

In my case, this study shows exactly where I feel I crossed the line. The occasional binge became more frequent. I could still quit for long periods of time. If someone told me I couldn't drink for a week or a month or whatever, I could do it. But when the pressure was off I'd eventually go back to dangerous behavior. I don't think I was ever physically dependent, but the psychological dependence was so strong that if I didn't quit entirely, I'd have gotten there.

I also thought it was awesome that the smartest post I've seen so far in this thread was posted by a person who uses "beer4breakfast" as a handle.
 
2013-01-26 01:31:36 AM
supersucker Smartest
Funniest
2013-01-26 01:15:46 AM


R. Paulson: Need moar beer, then red the tfa tits

Here is a perfect example of the article


TYVM was typo that i added tits onto cuz it was funny to me. do need moar beer tho..tits
 
2013-01-26 01:33:22 AM

jaylectricity: Why is drinking alone supposed to be a bad thing?


I think if you drink with people, you're probably drinking because of some special event - Super Bowl, wedding, promotion, whatever. Plus there are social controls in place when you're around others. Piss yourself and throw up in the ficus tree in front of your friends/relatives/associates, and there are real-world consequences.

If you're drinking alone it can be surprisingly easy to invent reasons to drink...which can lead to drinking all the time for no reason. Piss yourself and throw up in the ficus tree at home, and who cares? You can clean up, and nobody will ever know.
 
2013-01-26 01:35:32 AM
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-01-26 01:37:25 AM

biyaaatci: My name is biyaaatci and I'm an alcoholic.


Hi biyaaatci. Thanks for sharing.

But at some point we alcoholics all question whether or not we are and most of us lie to ourselves and begin to do things we said we'd never do and make excuses as to why it's okay to do that. In my case, I began to drink in the car and hide booze from my family to enjoy at times I was alone and wouldn't be hassled over it.

You and I have much in common.

/7 months in AA. 6 days sober.
//Progress, not perfection.
 
2013-01-26 01:39:33 AM
Binge drinkers have always been classified as alcoholics.
 
2013-01-26 01:40:30 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: 7 months in AA. 6 days sober.


Keep coming back.
 
2013-01-26 01:43:24 AM
Hmph. It's getting so that every time you see a doctor and you admit to having a drink or two once every three or four weeks, they'll start grilling you as if you're an alcoholic.
 
2013-01-26 01:51:33 AM

James F. Campbell: Hmph. It's getting so that every time you see a doctor and you admit to having a drink or two once every three or four weeks, they'll start grilling you as if you're an alcoholic.


I think you're exaggerating, my doctor told me that drinking more red wine would be good for me.

/law school is bad for my liver though
 
2013-01-26 01:51:51 AM
Im not an alcoholic Im a drunk. Alcoholics go to meetings
 
2013-01-26 01:54:38 AM

James F. Campbell: Hmph. It's getting so that every time you see a doctor and you admit to having a drink or two once every three or four weeks, they'll start grilling you as if you're an alcoholic.


Why are you talking to a doctor? Quacks, all of them!

anyhoo, they have to expand the definition, so it seems like there is a bigger problem, so they can get more funding and more patients for insurance companies to pay for treatement for.

They did it with diabetes, morbid obesity, poverty... all kinds of things. If your epidemic is growing fast enough to be profitable, change the definition.
 
2013-01-26 01:55:43 AM

biyaaatci: Fuggin Bizzy: 7 months in AA. 6 days sober.

Keep coming back.


Thanks, man. You too.
 
2013-01-26 02:00:13 AM
For what it's worth, I don't think drinking alone necessarily means you are at greater risk, or have more of a drinking problem. Some people recharge by having fun in a group, and drinking makes it more fun. But for others, being around other people is exhausting. It doesn't relax them, it saps their energy. It feels like work.

That's me. I like to drink alone for the same reasons that other people like to drink in a group. And I'm not lonely: happily married, two kids, good job, blah blah blah. Just not very social.

So that's how it is for me. Maybe that's not how it is for you though. Be careful.
 
2013-01-26 02:09:44 AM
Drinking alone is a lonely and habit forming alternative than to be with people.  We are a social species, if you cannot tolerate people then drink alone or play wow, smoke dope, write, work, worship, or wack off.  What's so bad about people?
 
2013-01-26 02:15:47 AM
Drinking alone......hmmmm......listening to vinyl, scotch in hand, comfy chair....yea...leave me the f alone........

It is the dysfunctional people who have to have others around so that they are babysat.
 
2013-01-26 02:15:55 AM
 What's so bad about people?

where do you want me to start?
 
2013-01-26 02:16:26 AM
And the DSM-V is STILL better reading than Fifty Shades of Grey.
 
2013-01-26 02:18:09 AM
So this is bad? I can't process this yet I need a need a drink frist.
 
2013-01-26 02:22:15 AM

Oxotoxo: Drinking alone is a lonely and habit forming alternative than to be with people.  We are a social species, if you cannot tolerate people then drink alone or play wow, smoke dope, write, work, worship, or wack off.  What's so bad about people?


There are two kinds of people in this world, and I don't like them.
 
2013-01-26 02:22:52 AM
There seems to be an effort to merge together all alcohol problems so that any drinking can classify one as an alcoholic.

We are seeming to lose the notion of bender as a milestone of how bad an alcohol problem someone has. A bender is when someone drinks contentiously until they pass out and then when they wake up they drink more and the whole process can be iterated for days. I once lived in a neighborhood were I would often see this mild looking well dressed guy who would often go on benders and turn into someone almost unrecognizable with filthy cloths and a red puffy face.

Yes I know that people can have alcohol problems without progressing to the bender stage but going on benders is a sure sign of some problem.

Then again is an occasional bender a real sign of a problem. I once worked for a small company where the Swedish janitor would take 3 sick days a year to go on a bender and I guess get it out of his system because he seemed sober yet cranky at work. Did he have a problem or was he successfully dealing with it?

I myself have been unable to drink myself into a bender and have had very few occasions where I have passed out from alcohol.
 
2013-01-26 02:22:55 AM
Sadly, just buzzed this evening. This article is silly though. If it turns out to be true, me drinking casually at a rush party (definitely 4-5 in the night, total) would be binge drinking.

Fark that. I can't feel 4-5 drinks over 6 hours.
 
2013-01-26 02:37:59 AM

Oxotoxo: Drinking alone is a lonely and habit forming alternative than to be with people.  We are a social species, if you cannot tolerate people then drink alone or play wow, smoke dope, write, work, worship, or wack off.  What's so bad about people?


Well, ... people, mostly.
 
2013-01-26 02:50:35 AM

rynthetyn: James F. Campbell: Hmph. It's getting so that every time you see a doctor and you admit to having a drink or two once every three or four weeks, they'll start grilling you as if you're an alcoholic.

I think you're exaggerating, my doctor told me that drinking more red wine would be good for me.

/law school is bad for my liver though


It all depends on the doctor you go to. I no longer admit drinking to most of mine.

/I went to the emergency room on a holiday one night and the nurse asked me how many drinks I had had I told her(It wasn't many, I think 4) and she asked me how long I had been binge drinking.
 
2013-01-26 02:53:02 AM

nekulor: 4-5 drinks over 6 hours.


Depending on your metabolism, you wouldn't even be over the legal limit to drive.
 
2013-01-26 02:54:26 AM

HairBolus: There seems to be an effort to merge together all alcohol problems so that any drinking can classify one as an alcoholic.

We are seeming to lose the notion of bender as a milestone of how bad an alcohol problem someone has. A bender is when someone drinks contentiously until they pass out and then when they wake up they drink more and the whole process can be iterated for days. I once lived in a neighborhood were I would often see this mild looking well dressed guy who would often go on benders and turn into someone almost unrecognizable with filthy cloths and a red puffy face.

Yes I know that people can have alcohol problems without progressing to the bender stage but going on benders is a sure sign of some problem.

Then again is an occasional bender a real sign of a problem. I once worked for a small company where the Swedish janitor would take 3 sick days a year to go on a bender and I guess get it out of his system because he seemed sober yet cranky at work. Did he have a problem or was he successfully dealing with it?

I myself have been unable to drink myself into a bender and have had very few occasions where I have passed out from alcohol.


So very true if you more an a few times a week your an alcoholic now. And goddess forbid you drink more than 2 servings at a time.
 
2013-01-26 02:57:01 AM
Im an Alcoholic . . . and I am getting a kick out of this
 
2013-01-26 03:01:58 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: rynthetyn: James F. Campbell: Hmph. It's getting so that every time you see a doctor and you admit to having a drink or two once every three or four weeks, they'll start grilling you as if you're an alcoholic.

I think you're exaggerating, my doctor told me that drinking more red wine would be good for me.

/law school is bad for my liver though

It all depends on the doctor you go to. I no longer admit drinking to most of mine.

/I went to the emergency room on a holiday one night and the nurse asked me how many drinks I had had I told her(It wasn't many, I think 4) and she asked me how long I had been binge drinking.


Had a similar experience...but, as obnoxious as some ER staff might be about that sort of thing, I really wouldn't recommend the non-disclosure route. Some meds that they will give you in the ER, if they mix with alcohol in the blood, could hurt or kill you.

Take the lecture, laugh about it later. Walk out alive.

My 2 cents.
 
2013-01-26 03:04:19 AM

Boonaroo: Im an Alcoholic . . . and I am getting a kick out of this


I'll bet and tonight I've had lots of servings and am just a drunk I know, I've been there, may even need to do it all again but for my own reasons.
 
2013-01-26 03:09:43 AM

Bumblefark: tinfoil-hat maggie: rynthetyn: James F. Campbell: Hmph. It's getting so that every time you see a doctor and you admit to having a drink or two once every three or four weeks, they'll start grilling you as if you're an alcoholic.

I think you're exaggerating, my doctor told me that drinking more red wine would be good for me.

/law school is bad for my liver though

It all depends on the doctor you go to. I no longer admit drinking to most of mine.

/I went to the emergency room on a holiday one night and the nurse asked me how many drinks I had had I told her(It wasn't many, I think 4) and she asked me how long I had been binge drinking.

Had a similar experience...but, as obnoxious as some ER staff might be about that sort of thing, I really wouldn't recommend the non-disclosure route. Some meds that they will give you in the ER, if they mix with alcohol in the blood, could hurt or kill you.

Take the lecture, laugh about it later. Walk out alive.

My 2 cents.


That's actually a good idea and I was just thinking the same as well as for those going for surgery or rehab or well lots of things.

/Yea drunks lie about the drinking and I guess they have to decide anyone that says they drink some is one
 
2013-01-26 03:18:57 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm not drinking alone

/there are dozens of Farkers drinking with me


Same here. That, and the voices in my head keep me company. The best part is they get to drink for free.
 
2013-01-26 03:58:15 AM
CSB time:

About five years ago, on a Friday afternoon, before I had any drinks, I ended up in the emergency room because I had a mild case of jaundice( I didn't notice it, but my friends did). One of the first things they ask you, when in the emergency room, is how much do you drink? I made the mistake of telling the truth and I said l normally drink four or five beers on Fridays when I go out with my friends. That apparently classified me as a binge drinker. I got a bunch of pamphlets on the effects of binge drinking and one for AA and was sent home with a lecture on no more drinking or I will die. It turns out I had pancreatitis and ended up back in the hospital the following Monday. I ended up staying there for three days.

My point? Lie when they ask. It may save you thousands of dollars.
 
2013-01-26 03:59:24 AM
Alcoholics Unanimous.
 
2013-01-26 04:04:08 AM

Torqueknot: CSB time:

About five years ago, on a Friday afternoon, before I had any drinks, I ended up in the emergency room because I had a mild case of jaundice( I didn't notice it, but my friends did). One of the first things they ask you, when in the emergency room, is how much do you drink? I made the mistake of telling the truth and I said l normally drink four or five beers on Fridays when I go out with my friends. That apparently classified me as a binge drinker. I got a bunch of pamphlets on the effects of binge drinking and one for AA and was sent home with a lecture on no more drinking or I will die. It turns out I had pancreatitis and ended up back in the hospital the following Monday. I ended up staying there for three days.

My point? Lie when they ask. It may save you thousands of dollars.


Wow, I'm glad I only went in for a burned hand, and I didn't even get pamphlets, I guess they were out of them due to the holidays.
 
2013-01-26 04:21:13 AM

Torqueknot: CSB time:

About five years ago, on a Friday afternoon, before I had any drinks, I ended up in the emergency room because I had a mild case of jaundice( I didn't notice it, but my friends did). One of the first things they ask you, when in the emergency room, is how much do you drink? I made the mistake of telling the truth and I said l normally drink four or five beers on Fridays when I go out with my friends. That apparently classified me as a binge drinker. I got a bunch of pamphlets on the effects of binge drinking and one for AA and was sent home with a lecture on no more drinking or I will die. It turns out I had pancreatitis and ended up back in the hospital the following Monday. I ended up staying there for three days.

My point? Lie when they ask. It may save you thousands of dollars.


Why is it saving you thousands?? Do you think you will be locked up in rehab or the loony bin? They don't do that anymore, thankfully.

It's way safer to be honest about having alcohol in your system. You can throw away the AA pamphlets.
 
2013-01-26 04:35:08 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: HairBolus: There seems to be an effort to merge together all alcohol problems so that any drinking can classify one as an alcoholic.

We are seeming to lose the notion of bender as a milestone of how bad an alcohol problem someone has. A bender is when someone drinks contentiously until they pass out and then when they wake up they drink more and the whole process can be iterated for days. I once lived in a neighborhood were I would often see this mild looking well dressed guy who would often go on benders and turn into someone almost unrecognizable with filthy cloths and a red puffy face.

Yes I know that people can have alcohol problems without progressing to the bender stage but going on benders is a sure sign of some problem.

Then again is an occasional bender a real sign of a problem. I once worked for a small company where the Swedish janitor would take 3 sick days a year to go on a bender and I guess get it out of his system because he seemed sober yet cranky at work. Did he have a problem or was he successfully dealing with it?

I myself have been unable to drink myself into a bender and have had very few occasions where I have passed out from alcohol.

So very true if you more an a few times a week your an alcoholic now. And goddess forbid you drink more than 2 servings at a time.


Many alcoholics lie about how much they drink. As a rule of thumb this can badly be abused.

Maybe 10 years ago I had to go the the hospital. As part of the intake interview they asked how much I drank and I answered honestly - maybe 2 or 4 beers many of the days of the week. However before the interview started some asshole teaching doctor with a flock of med students arrived to witness the interview. The asshole doctor used my interview as a learning experience saying that any self reported alcohol consumption means that the consumer is an alcoholic and that the figures need to be multiplied by a factor between 3 and 10. So I entered the hospital classified as an alcoholic Eventually they realized I wasn't despite the asshole teaching doctor.
 
2013-01-26 04:44:23 AM
I think that drinking alone normalizes drinking as part of the every day, all the time routine. If it's a possibility all the time, then it may just become something you want / need to do all the time.

Coming from a long, long line of alcoholics and more recently, reformed alcoholics, I've found one piece of advice to keep, whether it makes sense or not. Don't drink to get drunk or even buzzed. Drink when it's part of a dinner or hanging out with friends, but never, ever drink with the sole purpose of drinking until it feels good.
 
2013-01-26 04:46:00 AM
The issue with classification and diagnosis of problem drinking is all in definition, in medicine and psychiatry.

There are multiple definitions of binge drinking currently, problem one. There is no "official" one, but depends on the leanings of the health care provider.

In one, binge drinking is 4 or more drinks on one occassion for females, 5 for males. The problem is, what is an occassion? A wedding? Saturday?

Another definition has added a time...2 hours, which gets closer to a more objectively measured criterion.

But niaaa only says that binge drinking is a pattern of drinking which raises bac to .08, and then references the above number if drinks AND time only as a correspondence.

If a male of average height and weight drinks a six pack over a long sunday afternoon of sports watching, say noon to 7, he may technically be "binge drinking" on one definition, but not others (time, BAC).

Another male of average height and weight may toss four consecutive shots of 100 proof whisky, raising bac above .08 within the time period, but not above the defined number of drinks according to another definition.

Ambiguity is not definition, and for this reason, a better definition is needed if consensus is to be reached.
 
2013-01-26 04:57:19 AM

HairBolus: tinfoil-hat maggie: HairBolus: There seems to be an effort to merge together all alcohol problems so that any drinking can classify one as an alcoholic.

We are seeming to lose the notion of bender as a milestone of how bad an alcohol problem someone has. A bender is when someone drinks contentiously until they pass out and then when they wake up they drink more and the whole process can be iterated for days. I once lived in a neighborhood were I would often see this mild looking well dressed guy who would often go on benders and turn into someone almost unrecognizable with filthy cloths and a red puffy face.

Yes I know that people can have alcohol problems without progressing to the bender stage but going on benders is a sure sign of some problem.

Then again is an occasional bender a real sign of a problem. I once worked for a small company where the Swedish janitor would take 3 sick days a year to go on a bender and I guess get it out of his system because he seemed sober yet cranky at work. Did he have a problem or was he successfully dealing with it?

I myself have been unable to drink myself into a bender and have had very few occasions where I have passed out from alcohol.

So very true if you more an a few times a week your an alcoholic now. And goddess forbid you drink more than 2 servings at a time.

Many alcoholics lie about how much they drink. As a rule of thumb this can badly be abused.

Maybe 10 years ago I had to go the the hospital. As part of the intake interview they asked how much I drank and I answered honestly - maybe 2 or 4 beers many of the days of the week. However before the interview started some asshole teaching doctor with a flock of med students arrived to witness the interview. The asshole doctor used my interview as a learning experience saying that any self reported alcohol consumption means that the consumer is an alcoholic and that the figures need to be multiplied by a factor between 3 and 10. So I entered the hospital classif ...


Oh, I know I told a shrink I drank and what I drank and she multiplied that by three and wanted to put me on ativan and send me to rehab I found out later she worked for the rehab.
They all do it now it seems. It's best to tell them you only drink early and maybe at holidays, even then one day that will be to much.

/And why shouldn't people get a good drunk on?
 
2013-01-26 05:22:18 AM
The obvious tag is standing outside the thread, in a puddle of it's own puke, yelling at the link and asking why we don't love it anymore.
 
2013-01-26 05:26:38 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: i want beer but they stopped selling it after 12am
fortunately i met a hooker


Did she have any blow?
 
2013-01-26 05:29:38 AM

supersucker: Personally, I find my intake as much as quintuples if I drink alone because I have to get drunk enough I'm not lonely. That's why I'm quitting for a while. It's a common enough theme in other people's stories I've heard. Other people are fine.

The best way to solve the problem is get a family.


Depends on the family. Since I got divorced, I no longer feel the need to drink. I'm much less lonely now that I'm alone.
 
2013-01-26 05:39:36 AM
shiat like this is retarded because it not only over diagnoses people for treatment they don't need, but can drive away people who do need treatment because they figure the Dr. is full of shiat classifying everyone as having a problem.

Also there's the issue that trying to paint with a broad brush means that treatment will be ineffective. There's different things that need to be done for a binge drinker and an alcoholic. If someone is hurting their health because they like to party too hard, but are not addicted to alcohol the treatment is different than someone who has an actual addiction. In both cases consuming too much alcohol is harming their health/life/etc but the reasons it is happening is different and thus the treatment is different.

This would be like seeing two people who are hobbling, one because they've broken their leg and the other because they are missing their leg below the knee, and suggesting that the problem is the same and a prosthetic is what is needed.
 
2013-01-26 05:41:27 AM

MacWizard: supersucker: Personally, I find my intake as much as quintuples if I drink alone because I have to get drunk enough I'm not lonely. That's why I'm quitting for a while. It's a common enough theme in other people's stories I've heard. Other people are fine.

The best way to solve the problem is get a family.

Depends on the family. Since I got divorced, I no longer feel the need to drink. I'm much less lonely now that I'm alone.


Oh, sorry, I always hated that feeling of being with someone yet completely alone : (
/I've been there
//Hope things are better.
 
2013-01-26 06:08:14 AM

nekulor: Sadly, just buzzed this evening. This article is silly though. If it turns out to be true, me drinking casually at a rush party (definitely 4-5 in the night, total) would be binge drinking.

Fark that. I can't feel 4-5 drinks over 6 hours.


Now I have to go read the article:

why is a Times article referring to a study done in Australia, using data on Australians, when the article seems to be based on a research study done at VCU on VCU students, and then says it likes the VCU study better because the numbers are more pleasing.

I didn't see any exact numbers for drinks per sitting, but I do think I like the UK method of measuring consumption. It's not about having so many in a night, it's about averages. As in, for health reasons you really shouldn't regularly consume more than x units a day. Where regularly means every or almost every day during the week.
 
2013-01-26 06:14:05 AM
"All" of us, subby? The last time I had alcohol was three weeks ago at a post New Year's get-together with my running group. Had two beers (which were enough to get me nice and buzzed; I'm a lightweight.)

Can't remember when I drank before that.
 
2013-01-26 07:51:47 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: You and I have much in common.
/7 months in AA. 6 days sober.
//Progress, not perfection.


fuggin bizzy, good luck to you. You are one of my faves, and by Montana standards, practically a neighbor.
It takes a while. I didn't sober up until a few years after rehab. Several tries in AA....but once I figured it out, I had it. The desire went away and I never drank again. It really happens.

Torqueknot: CSB time:
I got a bunch of pamphlets on the effects of binge drinking and one for AA and was sent home with a lecture on no more drinking or I will die. It turns out I had pancreatitis and ended up back in the hospital the following Monday. I ended up staying there for three days.
My point? Lie when they ask. It may save you thousands of dollars.


Most people who get pancreatitis are serious, hard-core drinkers. Just saying. My cousin has almost died from it, but he keeps on drinking. Just not as much. it will kill you, and there isn't much they can do to treat it. Except the person has to quit farking drinking.

So try to cut them some slack on this one--I think it's unusual to have pancreatitis if you're not a heavy drinker. And yes, of course alcoholics lie like crazy about how much they drink.
 
2013-01-26 08:16:44 AM
Hey subby, Thanks for telling me what I already know!
 
2013-01-26 08:44:17 AM
If they want to be taken seriously and help people they should come up with better criteria instead of just moving the needle on the existing scale in the direction of "everyone's an alcoholic".
 
2013-01-26 08:49:15 AM
By that definition I have a major ice cream problem. "I'll just take one spoonful then put it back...ohhh that was good maybe one more. Wow this ice cream is quite excellent! Maybe just a bit more. I think my mouth is numb from cold, I'm putting this down. Well, maybe I should just finish this damn thing so I don't eat more of it..."

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-26 08:56:37 AM
Next thing you know, you toss one off and your a sex offender.
 
2013-01-26 08:58:09 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: MacWizard: supersucker: Personally, I find my intake as much as quintuples if I drink alone because I have to get drunk enough I'm not lonely. That's why I'm quitting for a while. It's a common enough theme in other people's stories I've heard. Other people are fine.

The best way to solve the problem is get a family.

Depends on the family. Since I got divorced, I no longer feel the need to drink. I'm much less lonely now that I'm alone.

Oh, sorry, I always hated that feeling of being with someone yet completely alone : (
/I've been there
//Hope things are better.


Much better. Like being released from prison, but without the whole being-unemployable handicap. Thanks for asking.
 
2013-01-26 09:15:41 AM
Drinking problem = alcoholism?

2.bp.blogspot.com

"What a pisser."
 
2013-01-26 09:23:31 AM

lordjupiter: If they want to be taken seriously and help people they should come up with better criteria instead of just moving the needle on the existing scale in the direction of "everyone's an alcoholic".


Alcoholics know they're alcoholics. The only people who go into a frenzy about stuff like this are people who aren't alcoholics, or people who already know they are, but don't want to deal with it yet. So why do you care? It either doesn't apply to you, or you already know you're in trouble, and you didn't need to find it out from the latest Time article, or by what the DSM says.

SweetDickens: It is the dysfunctional people who have to have others around so that they are babysat.


Little-known fact. You'd think that the most "popular" people are the most well-adjusted. I've usually found it to be just the opposite. People who can't stand to be alone, who socialize constantly, talk about all their "friends" constantly--they're the farked-up ones. They can't stand to be alone with the thoughts in their heads, and since they hate themselves, they need to surround themselves with anyone they can call a friend, just so they don't feel so alone and worthless.

That said, don't get drunk alone. It sends you down a bad path.
 
2013-01-26 09:34:52 AM
Let's put this to a vote, Farkers.

Is addiction a disease?
 
2013-01-26 09:37:26 AM
One of those college binge drinkers. Right here. My drinking habits have drastically changed since then. I can easily have a glass of wine with dinner and not want more. I also easily go days weeks whatever without a drink. Honestly, I don't like hangovers so alcohol can be quite meh.

However, I do have an issue where if I do get to a certain level of drunk and am in a fun celebratory situation, a switch flips and I won't stop drinking. Seems pretty clearly tied to those college years where it was all about drinking more than the next person. This is why I don't do that unless its some special occasion and I know I'm with my hubby or a similar person in a safe place who will cover my ass and cut me off. I rarely ever drink like that now though. The fact that I am capable of recognizing and controlling this issue tells me it's not alcoholism.
 
2013-01-26 09:54:18 AM
Speak for yourselves. Except for my two bloody mary pints the other night, I usually don't have more than two beers a night.
 
2013-01-26 10:12:32 AM

Oldiron_79: Im not an alcoholic Im a drunk. Alcoholics go to meetings


came for this leaving satisfied for another drink
 
2013-01-26 10:13:40 AM

KiwDaWabbit: Let's put this to a vote, Farkers.

Is addiction a disease?


Sometimes
 
2013-01-26 10:55:47 AM
the image they put into the article makes me laugh, including the caption: "Man in bar with a beer."
Oh, is THAT what that is?

Is this shiat being written by some kind of ArticleTron 2000?
img.photobucket.com
Whatever is being done, it certainly makes for some compelling reading.
 
2013-01-26 11:05:56 AM
Beer: The cause of, and solution, to, most of life's problems.


/heads to the fridge to get another beer
 
2013-01-26 11:06:33 AM

cryinoutloud: fuggin bizzy, good luck to you. You are one of my faves, and by Montana standards, practically a neighbor.
It takes a while. I didn't sober up until a few years after rehab. Several tries in AA....but once I figured it out, I had it. The desire went away and I never drank again. It really happens.


Thank you, that means a lot! :-) You're one of my favorites too. We also have much in common, it seems.
 
2013-01-26 11:16:06 AM
With picture of what a man in bar with a beer may look like
 
2013-01-26 11:20:00 AM

cryinoutloud: Fuggin Bizzy: You and I have much in common.
/7 months in AA. 6 days sober.
//Progress, not perfection.

fuggin bizzy, good luck to you. You are one of my faves, and by Montana standards, practically a neighbor.
It takes a while. I didn't sober up until a few years after rehab. Several tries in AA....but once I figured it out, I had it. The desire went away and I never drank again. It really happens.

Torqueknot: CSB time:
I got a bunch of pamphlets on the effects of binge drinking and one for AA and was sent home with a lecture on no more drinking or I will die. It turns out I had pancreatitis and ended up back in the hospital the following Monday. I ended up staying there for three days.
My point? Lie when they ask. It may save you thousands of dollars.

Most people who get pancreatitis are serious, hard-core drinkers. Just saying. My cousin has almost died from it, but he keeps on drinking. Just not as much. it will kill you, and there isn't much they can do to treat it. Except the person has to quit farking drinking.

So try to cut them some slack on this one--I think it's unusual to have pancreatitis if you're not a heavy drinker. And yes, of course alcoholics lie like crazy about how much they drink.


Ah, really? In my case it was a gall stone causing the problem. So I guess I will give them a little slack, but it still pisses me off I spent the weekend in pain befor they figured out what my problem was.
 
2013-01-26 11:20:35 AM
I drink between eight and ten beers per night.

Whenever I'm asked about my alcohol consumption by a doctor (or anyone, really), I says that I "almost never" drink. If pressed further, I'll say that the only time I have alcohol is when my friend throws one of his movie viewing parties, and that I'll have two Bud lights, and no more.

I don't need it getting on some official record that I'm a full blown drunk, or even a moderate drinker. I can only imagine what sorts of hassles that could create down the road.
 
2013-01-26 11:32:33 AM

sno man: Ennuipoet: Will we get some sort of badge or ribbon for this achievement?

A tiny chrome plated trophy with an engraved plate that says Fark Participant?


get em something they may use, a nice commemorative glass and a bar towel
 
2013-01-26 11:36:20 AM

jaylectricity: So I was just wondering something and then I saw this thread and figured this would be a great place to ask my question.

Why is drinking alone supposed to be a bad thing? Do NOT say, "Because that means you have a problem."

I want to know why drinking alone suggests you have a problem.


You're not really drinking alone if it's with your good buddy Wiser, Your pal Jack Daniels and his partner Jimmy Beam, or with yer pal Johnny Walker and his brother black and red.
 
2013-01-26 11:37:01 AM
drunkard.com

They're just a little more sneaky now.
 
2013-01-26 11:39:30 AM
Could be you had 12 grandmothers and 40 uncles who were alcoholic, so it must be genetic. Could be you drank so much so often, you became alcoholic. It really does not matter. If you find you drink and cannot stop, ala binge or daily, you are one. It's the craving physically and mentally that sums it up. Doctors really don't know shiat about this fatal disease.
 
2013-01-26 11:45:36 AM
I drink to get the demons drunk so they'll pass out and leave me alone long enough to go to sleep.

Had a mug of rum last night and all that happened is I wanted to sleep. Dammit, drinking used to be more fun.
 
2013-01-26 12:29:59 PM

HotWingAgenda: nekulor: 4-5 drinks over 6 hours.

Depending on your metabolism, you wouldn't even be over the legal limit to drive.


Exactly, but that's the scientific definition of a binge night.
 
2013-01-26 12:35:13 PM

thisone: nekulor: Sadly, just buzzed this evening. This article is silly though. If it turns out to be true, me drinking casually at a rush party (definitely 4-5 in the night, total) would be binge drinking.

Fark that. I can't feel 4-5 drinks over 6 hours.

Now I have to go read the article:

why is a Times article referring to a study done in Australia, using data on Australians, when the article seems to be based on a research study done at VCU on VCU students, and then says it likes the VCU study better because the numbers are more pleasing.

I didn't see any exact numbers for drinks per sitting, but I do think I like the UK method of measuring consumption. It's not about having so many in a night, it's about averages. As in, for health reasons you really shouldn't regularly consume more than x units a day. Where regularly means every or almost every day during the week.


America's number is an arbitrary number of drinks per day/per week and takes into no account metabolic rate or size of the person. Like, I way 150, but it takes about 10 or so in a night to really get me drunk because my metabolism is stupid fast.
 
2013-01-26 03:36:31 PM
i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-26 06:20:30 PM

jaylectricity:
Why is drinking alone supposed to be a bad thing? Do NOT say, "Because that means you have a problem."


Besides hiding the amount somebody drinks, the kind of things they say and do while drinking may have passed into the unacceptable. If you get so farked up when you drink that you can't find somebody willing to put up with you while you drink, you could have a problem. OTOH, you could just be an introvert like me and hate people.

I like one beer every night while reading before I go to sleep. There's nobody there except the dog because I go to sleep before my DH does. I don't think the dog counts. Therefore I am drinking alone 7 nights a week. Its not a problem to me because its my total alcohol intake.
 
2013-01-26 07:46:43 PM

doczoidberg: I drink between eight and ten beers per night.

Whenever I'm asked about my alcohol consumption by a doctor (or anyone, really), I says that I "almost never" drink. If pressed further, I'll say that the only time I have alcohol is when my friend throws one of his movie viewing parties, and that I'll have two Bud lights, and no more.

I don't need it getting on some official record that I'm a full blown drunk, or even a moderate drinker. I can only imagine what sorts of hassles that could create down the road.


You do know your doctor can test your blood and urine for alcohol and drugs and you lying off your ass can be recorded in your record without you even knowing, right?
 
2013-01-26 10:58:16 PM
Alcoholics go to meetings. I'm a drunk. We go to parties.

/kidding?
 
2013-01-27 02:34:20 AM

megalynn44: doczoidberg: I drink between eight and ten beers per night.

Whenever I'm asked about my alcohol consumption by a doctor (or anyone, really), I says that I "almost never" drink. If pressed further, I'll say that the only time I have alcohol is when my friend throws one of his movie viewing parties, and that I'll have two Bud lights, and no more.

I don't need it getting on some official record that I'm a full blown drunk, or even a moderate drinker. I can only imagine what sorts of hassles that could create down the road.

You do know your doctor can test your blood and urine for alcohol and drugs and you lying off your ass can be recorded in your record without you even knowing, right?


I think the biggest thing here is that you should tell your doctor the truth so he can properly assist you in being as healthy as you can. Even if you can't be totally healthy because you drink too much, at least your doctor can say, "Hey, if you're gonna drink that much, at least try to get about an hour of cardio a day and maybe a bunch of broccoli or carrots or something."
 
2013-01-29 12:15:33 AM

jaylectricity: megalynn44: doczoidberg: I drink between eight and ten beers per night.

Whenever I'm asked about my alcohol consumption by a doctor (or anyone, really), I says that I "almost never" drink. If pressed further, I'll say that the only time I have alcohol is when my friend throws one of his movie viewing parties, and that I'll have two Bud lights, and no more.

I don't need it getting on some official record that I'm a full blown drunk, or even a moderate drinker. I can only imagine what sorts of hassles that could create down the road.

You do know your doctor can test your blood and urine for alcohol and drugs and you lying off your ass can be recorded in your record without you even knowing, right?

I think the biggest thing here is that you should tell your doctor the truth so he can properly assist you in being as healthy as you can. Even if you can't be totally healthy because you drink too much, at least your doctor can say, "Hey, if you're gonna drink that much, at least try to get about an hour of cardio a day and maybe a bunch of broccoli or carrots or something."


That's my general plan. I drink like several fish, because I have to keep up with the gott damn freshmen.

/Being Van Wilder looks easy on TV.
 
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