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(Time)   Good news everyone. We are all now officially alcoholics   (healthland.time.com) divider line 124
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2013-01-25 08:40:17 PM  
*hic*
And?
 
2013-01-25 08:45:22 PM  
Will we get some sort of badge or ribbon for this achievement?
 
2013-01-25 08:46:23 PM  
Billy West, of cartoon fame, has the greatest drinking story I've ever heard.

His Irish Catholic uncles were, back in the day, Irish Catholics. That pretty much says it all right there about their love of the brew. So what they'd do when they were drinkin' hard is head back to their factory and sleep in the doorway so they wouldn't be late the next day.
 
2013-01-25 08:54:19 PM  

Ennuipoet: Will we get some sort of badge or ribbon for this achievement?


A tiny chrome plated trophy with an engraved plate that says Fark Participant?
 
2013-01-25 09:00:04 PM  
Excellent! Let's go get hammered!
 
2013-01-25 09:16:50 PM  
I'll believe it when I read it in the new DSM.

"This is what it says, I promise, and this is my interpretation." Is not good enough evidence.
 
Pud
2013-01-25 09:21:40 PM  
 
2013-01-25 09:32:02 PM  
I prefer to think of myself as a pro-am drinker.
 
2013-01-25 10:08:39 PM  
I have always thought of my self as a mildly functional soak...
 
2013-01-25 10:17:46 PM  
"offishully"

FTFBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARF
 
2013-01-25 10:42:54 PM  
Cheers! I do believe I should have a drink to celebrate the good news!
 
2013-01-25 10:48:23 PM  
So I was just wondering something and then I saw this thread and figured this would be a great place to ask my question.

Why is drinking alone supposed to be a bad thing? Do NOT say, "Because that means you have a problem."

I want to know why drinking alone suggests you have a problem.
 
2013-01-25 11:00:45 PM  
Now?

/what the hell was I before?
 
2013-01-25 11:44:33 PM  

jaylectricity: I want to know why drinking alone suggests you have a problem.


Because when you're not out with people and there's no one to talk to or other things to do, you wind up moving down the ladder from functional to non-functional.
 
2013-01-25 11:59:42 PM  

doglover: jaylectricity: I want to know why drinking alone suggests you have a problem.

Because when you're not out with people and there's no one to talk to or other things to do, you wind up moving down the ladder from functional to non-functional.


Why would having 100 milliliters of bourbon while watching an intelligent documentary mean you have a problem? Why would having 4 beers while watching that documentary mean you have a problem?

Why couldn't a person have a few drinks, build a fire, get rid of some old furniture in their backyard, then cook dinner for their spouse?

I guess the real response I have is, how does one move down the ladder?  You basically just said, "You can't drink alone because you'll end up having a problem." I asked why. You answered with nonsense.

You just said exactly what I said not to say. "Hurr durr because you have a problem."
 
2013-01-26 12:10:47 AM  

jaylectricity: I guess the real response I have is, how does one move down the ladder?


No idea. It just happens so often it's a good idea to always watch yourself.

I drink alone sometimes, too. Most do.

But it's a slippery slope. Not one of those fake political ones where legalizing gay marriage means the president will force your children to marry farm animals, but a real slippery slope many people fall down and die. For reals.

I know people who have had a drinking problem. Those folks went from a glass to a bottle to a case. Every one of 'em.

Other people never go down that road.

The alone thing is just a rule of thumb. It's a good indicator, with all the social pressures, that anyone who gets drunk on their own will be drinking too much.
 
2013-01-26 12:13:07 AM  

doglover: The alone thing is just a rule of thumb. It's a good indicator, with all the social pressures, that anyone who gets drunk on their own will be drinking too much.


That's closer to the kind of answer I'm looking for. I'm wondering if anybody has something better.
 
2013-01-26 12:32:16 AM  
I'm not drinking alone

/there are dozens of Farkers drinking with me
 
2013-01-26 12:34:56 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm not drinking alone

/there are dozens of Farkers drinking with me


I agree with that. I think we've established that over the years. You're not drinking alone if you're drinking and interacting with internet strangers. But I suppose that doglover might say that you're drinking anonymously with drunken strangers.
 
2013-01-26 12:38:01 AM  

sno man: Ennuipoet: Will we get some sort of badge or ribbon for this achievement?

A tiny chrome plated trophy with an engraved plate that says Fark Participant?


I was told they all read, "Asshole".

I'm going to have to complain about mine now.
 
2013-01-26 12:49:32 AM  

jaylectricity: doglover: The alone thing is just a rule of thumb. It's a good indicator, with all the social pressures, that anyone who gets drunk on their own will be drinking too much.

That's closer to the kind of answer I'm looking for. I'm wondering if anybody has something better.


There are no hard and fast rules in addiction, but the exceptions prove the generalizations.

Personally, I find my intake as much as quintuples if I drink alone because I have to get drunk enough I'm not lonely. That's why I'm quitting for a while. It's a common enough theme in other people's stories I've heard. Other people are fine.

The best way to solve the problem is get a family. Then you're not alone and can stop drinking as a stopgap to the emptiness.
 
2013-01-26 12:54:17 AM  

doglover: jaylectricity: doglover: The alone thing is just a rule of thumb. It's a good indicator, with all the social pressures, that anyone who gets drunk on their own will be drinking too much.

That's closer to the kind of answer I'm looking for. I'm wondering if anybody has something better.

There are no hard and fast rules in addiction, but the exceptions prove the generalizations.

Personally, I find my intake as much as quintuples if I drink alone because I have to get drunk enough I'm not lonely. That's why I'm quitting for a while. It's a common enough theme in other people's stories I've heard. Other people are fine.

The best way to solve the problem is get a family. Then you're not alone and can stop drinking as a stopgap to the emptiness.


I'm too drunk to process this...but I'm getting a family soon, so you're probably right!
 
2013-01-26 12:55:16 AM  
We're rapidly approaching the time when needing to breathe will be called "air addiction syndrome" and called a disease.
 
2013-01-26 12:56:21 AM  
FTFA: "Many young people who get into early trouble because of substance abuse never become dependent and shouldn't be lumped together with long term addicts." This may become especially problematic under the Affordable Care Act, which increases screening for alcohol problems that could pick up these mild cases and leave them on the patient's electronic medical record.

And a lifetime of dealing with those annoying people who tell you you're an alcoholic in denial.
 
2013-01-26 12:59:09 AM  
When one drinks socially there are reasons to drink moderately. Social pressures help keep one in check. When one is by themselves there are no social pressures. There's no need to converse with anyone, If one has an addictive personality that likes to keep going then it's easy to see why people who drink alone may get themselves into trouble.
 
2013-01-26 01:01:24 AM  
I don't see a huge problem with this, and I'm a pretty heavy drinker.

It's not several diseases with clear delineated parts. It's a spectrum between 'I will drink every day or get DTs' to 'drinks in excess occasionally despite knowing that it's a poor choice'. It's better to see it and treat it as such.
 
2013-01-26 01:01:30 AM  

SpdrJay: We're rapidly approaching the time when needing to breathe will be called "air addiction syndrome" and called a disease.


This

The entire article to me seemed like an effort to maintain the need for the discipline rather than actually solve anything or do anything worthwhile
 
2013-01-26 01:01:30 AM  
fta The new diagnosis combines abuse and dependence into a single condition with varying levels of severity.

I just popped the cap on my second level of severity
 
2013-01-26 01:04:28 AM  
jaylectricity: I want to know why drinking alone suggests you have a problem.

I think that this, like so many things, got over-generalized. Some alcoholics drink alone to avoid anyone seeing or commenting on their drinking. If you're hiding your drinking, you probably have a drinking problem (or an overzealous neo-prohibitionist in the vicinity).

But just having a few drinks while alone isn't necessarily a problem. Plenty of people have some wine with dinner or a few beers while watching the game when they're alone. It doesn't make them problem drinkers.

I've heard people claim that if you're the only one drinking when you're with anyone else that also means you have a problem It's also BS. The fact that I want a glass of wine and my husband doesn't is not indicative of a drinking problem. It's indicative of wanting a glass of wine.

The basic definition of addiction is continuing use despite negative consequences.
 
2013-01-26 01:04:38 AM  
I was looking at this new gadget the vaportini. Any farkers have experience with anything like this? Is it safe?
 
2013-01-26 01:05:54 AM  

jaylectricity: So I was just wondering something and then I saw this thread and figured this would be a great place to ask my question.

Why is drinking alone supposed to be a bad thing? Do NOT say, "Because that means you have a problem."

I want to know why drinking alone suggests you have a problem.


I think that only extroverts think this. On Fark we all know that drinking is a good thing---those of use who are introverts also know that being alone is a good thing, and therefore, that drinking alone is a good thing.
 
2013-01-26 01:06:27 AM  
This article is lame because it only cites college and high school kids. what about the rest of us ol' codgers?

/Didn't read the whole article
//wanted to test my typing skills under the influence
/// going to bed
 
2013-01-26 01:06:38 AM  
I'm not an alcoholic, I'm a professional.
I'm from Wisconsin.
 
2013-01-26 01:07:05 AM  

jaylectricity: doglover: jaylectricity: I want to know why drinking alone suggests you have a problem.

Because when you're not out with people and there's no one to talk to or other things to do, you wind up moving down the ladder from functional to non-functional.

Why would having 100 milliliters of bourbon while watching an intelligent documentary mean you have a problem? Why would having 4 beers while watching that documentary mean you have a problem?

Why couldn't a person have a few drinks, build a fire, get rid of some old furniture in their backyard, then cook dinner for their spouse?

I guess the real response I have is, how does one move down the ladder?  You basically just said, "You can't drink alone because you'll end up having a problem." I asked why. You answered with nonsense.

You just said exactly what I said not to say. "Hurr durr because you have a problem."


I don't think that is really indicative of a problem, regardless of what the DSM says. Now, if you are knocking back a few before you leave for work......
 
2013-01-26 01:08:58 AM  

Kingly Weevil: I'll believe it when I read it in the new DSM.


I'm just hoping Never Nude Syndrome will finally be recognized in the DSM-V.
 
2013-01-26 01:11:45 AM  
WHOOT!
*burrrrrp*
 
2013-01-26 01:12:39 AM  

beer4breakfast: When one drinks socially there are reasons to drink moderately. Social pressures help keep one in check. When one is by themselves there are no social pressures. There's no need to converse with anyone, If one has an addictive personality that likes to keep going then it's easy to see why people who drink alone may get themselves into trouble.


This and this

There are no hard and fast rules in addiction, but the exceptions prove the generalizations.

Personally, I find my intake as much as quintuples if I drink alone because I have to get drunk enough I'm not lonely. That's why I'm quitting for a while. It's a common enough theme in other people's stories I've heard. Other people are fine.

The best way to solve the problem is get a family. Then you're not alone and can stop drinking as a stopgap to the emptiness

As I sit here commenting after my 9th Pilsner Urquell while my wife is out of town on a cold winter's eve.

I did prepare rib tips for tomorrow though to go on the smoker, at a high of 27F.

And I will buy more beer and probably a Boston Butt as well and make BBQ tomorrow since I am firing up the smoker anyway.

Then go back to work on Monday.

That is what I do to stop the emptiness, but yet those comments are some wise insights to my current behavior and made me think a bit.

////mmmm BBQ
 
2013-01-26 01:12:56 AM  
Need moar beer, then red the tfa tits
 
2013-01-26 01:15:12 AM  
No futurama reference? Son I am disappoint

/on phone not worth the hassle of posting pics
//good news everybody...you're now reading this is prof farnsworths voice
 
2013-01-26 01:15:46 AM  

R. Paulson: Need moar beer, then red the tfa tits


Here is a perfect example of the article.
 
2013-01-26 01:18:51 AM  
DSM-V, truly the 4th edition D&D of diagnostic manuals. Hooray simplifications that make basic logical and practical distinctions impossible, I guess.
 
2013-01-26 01:20:27 AM  
i want beer but they stopped selling it after 12am
fortunately i met a hooker
 
2013-01-26 01:23:23 AM  
'Bout damn time!
 
2013-01-26 01:25:09 AM  
I have to admit I gazed longingly at the moonshine before I got my fifth of Buffalo Trace this evening
 
2013-01-26 01:27:54 AM  
http://www.hulu.com/watch/3517
 
2013-01-26 01:28:09 AM  
I"m still at work another hour, then a half hour drive home, and then DRINK until the sun comes up
 
2013-01-26 01:30:36 AM  
Well, not anymore. Not since this pesky cirrhosis I got at 34.

/sober 3 years
//misses Sierra Nevada pale ale
 
2013-01-26 01:31:29 AM  
My name is biyaaatci and I'm an alcoholic. For real. A few things here- IMHO, drinking alone, by itself, does not make one an alcoholic, but it is one of the lines that the vast majority of alcoholics cross on their way to becoming one. It's arbitrary, but it's a common enough theme that it becomes part of the tune most of us sing. It was one of the things I told myself was normal in order to justify my own behavior. I'm not one to tell anyone they have a problem. That's for you to decide. But at some point we alcoholics all question whether or not we are and most of us lie to ourselves and begin to do things we said we'd never do and make excuses as to why it's okay to do that. In my case, I began to drink in the car and hide booze from my family to enjoy at times I was alone and wouldn't be hassled over it. I began lying to myself and others about what I was doing and making excuses for my behavior. That was when I felt I crossed the line from problem drinking to alcoholism. I never missed work, or stole, or beat my wife, or anything like that, but I was causing problems for myself and others and my actions were endangering people. In short, I couldn't be trusted to do the right thing.

In my case, this study shows exactly where I feel I crossed the line. The occasional binge became more frequent. I could still quit for long periods of time. If someone told me I couldn't drink for a week or a month or whatever, I could do it. But when the pressure was off I'd eventually go back to dangerous behavior. I don't think I was ever physically dependent, but the psychological dependence was so strong that if I didn't quit entirely, I'd have gotten there.

I also thought it was awesome that the smartest post I've seen so far in this thread was posted by a person who uses "beer4breakfast" as a handle.
 
2013-01-26 01:31:36 AM  
supersucker Smartest
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2013-01-26 01:15:46 AM


R. Paulson: Need moar beer, then red the tfa tits

Here is a perfect example of the article


TYVM was typo that i added tits onto cuz it was funny to me. do need moar beer tho..tits
 
2013-01-26 01:33:22 AM  

jaylectricity: Why is drinking alone supposed to be a bad thing?


I think if you drink with people, you're probably drinking because of some special event - Super Bowl, wedding, promotion, whatever. Plus there are social controls in place when you're around others. Piss yourself and throw up in the ficus tree in front of your friends/relatives/associates, and there are real-world consequences.

If you're drinking alone it can be surprisingly easy to invent reasons to drink...which can lead to drinking all the time for no reason. Piss yourself and throw up in the ficus tree at home, and who cares? You can clean up, and nobody will ever know.
 
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