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(FOX6Now)   Milwaukee sheriff says 911 is ineffective, encourages people to act for themselves. Not like anything bad could happen, right?   (fox6now.com ) divider line
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2013-01-25 06:41:58 PM  
7 votes:
Ever call 911 in Milwaukee? Car theives could easily be in Chicago before the police will get there. There was a report of someone last year calling in a burglary in progress and the police took over 2 DAYS to respond. Yes. Days.

David Clark telling people that they are working with the sherrifs department and that citizens might want to consider taking a certified responsible firearms handling course is not only justified and smart, it's thye exact opposite of "dumbass".
2013-01-25 06:28:35 PM  
7 votes:
Something bad has already happened if someone has to call 911 for the police.

When seconds count the police will be there in minutes.

I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.
2013-01-25 10:02:10 PM  
6 votes:
Well, if people would stop calling 911 because their pizza is 20 minutes late or to ask when the Lakers game starts, maybe 911 response time would be better. And maybe if people didn't have such a hissy fit about paying their goddamn taxes, the police department wouldn't have to lay off so many cops, and there would be enough officers around to do the job.

Anyone ever think of that?
2013-01-25 09:58:57 PM  
4 votes:
Well then, time to fire that entire PD and 911 center and find someone will do their job. Maybe a neighboring county has a department with it's shiat together and would take over the policing duties for a suitable fee?
2013-01-26 12:46:37 AM  
3 votes:
Fark, where posters hate guns, and hate cops, but love cops when the talk is about citizens with guns.
2013-01-25 11:15:00 PM  
3 votes:
Be prepared to protect yourself, because the police probably won't be there to save you. What is so Goddamned controversial about that?
2013-01-25 11:01:17 PM  
3 votes:
Suckmaster Burstingfoam:

It's notoriously impossible to fire police chiefs, but since this guy has now publicly admitted incompetence that threatens life and public order, they might have a chance.

He's a sheriff, an elected official.  Who can fire him?

"Threatens life and public order," my ass.  He didn't advise citizens to mount their own vigilante street patrols.  He advised them to be prepared to protect themselves in their own homes.
2013-01-25 10:04:39 PM  
3 votes:

Spanky_McFarksalot: feckingmorons: I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.

do they send a memo out with slogans and talking points?


Yes, It is actually on the other side of the memo that anti-gun groups send out with slogans and talking points for their position. Both sides are so farking stubborn that they refuse to even turn a paper over to find out what the other side thinks.
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2013-01-25 06:59:48 PM  
3 votes:
You mean I'm responsible for my own safety?! Oh the Horror!
2013-01-26 02:06:30 AM  
2 votes:

feckingmorons: BronyMedic: Oh shiat. I just realized I was flipping you off in the last picture. totally unintentional.

You're all over the map, or perhaps I don't get it. What exactly is your position on using a gun for self defense and what did the Sheriff do that you don't like?


People on Fark are smart. Smart people tend to forget that there are lots of extremely dumb people out there. A lot of those dumb people are going to hear this Sheriff say "Sometimes the cops can't get there in time, so be prepared to defend yourself," and hear instead "The cops are useless. Go ahead and kill anyone you feel threatened by."

That's not what the sheriff meant. That's not what most Farkers mean. But unfortunately, that's what a lot of really dumb people want to hear, and what too many smart people don't realize that they DO hear a great deal of the time. So people like BronyMedic get very nervous when they hear well-intentioned people like the sheriff say stuff like this, because he's one of the ones who gets to scrape the results off the pavement later on.

I know it is very very hard for smart, rational, responsible people to comprehend that there really are that many dumb, irrational, reflexive morons out there; but there are. They really will go out and kill people over lawn furniture and feel totally justified by it. Just like that guy yesterday who pointed his AK-47 at his daughter because her grades were bad. Sadly, those people are NOT the minority of gun owners, they are the vast majority; and it's up to the rest of us to remember that people are stupid and we have to respond as such.
2013-01-26 01:05:41 AM  
2 votes:
As a LEO, i can say this has merit. It takes minutes to find your address, i don't have a encyclopedic memory and knowledge of every farking address in the USA, and it takes time to get there, and find the house / business. It may be in a area i've never been in before. And frankly, I'm not your personal bodyguard, i get called, i get there as fast as safely possible, and deal with what is happening, or in 99 percent of incidents, already happened and over by the time i get there. It's not my job to camp on your driveway and wait for something to happen to you, I can't be everywhere at once. So yes, it makes sense that you have some training / plan /way to defend your home / business / family. I am a reactionary asset of the local government, not your personal bodyguard. Learn how to protect yourself and yours if you care enough to do that, or just be a victim and cry "why aren't the police protecting us?
2013-01-26 12:22:58 AM  
2 votes:
Lots of sound and fury over some cop stating the obvious.

Should we also fire up the outrage machine when a fire chief tells us to learn fire safety and know how to put small ones out before they consume the house? I feel like the website is slowly being taken over by Consumerist commenters. Seriously, grow a pair.
2013-01-25 11:03:55 PM  
2 votes:

Over_Zealously_Apathetic: I need to watch more westerns so I know how to live in this wonderful new America.


What America have you ever lived in where cops said "We take total responsibility for your safety"?

The "wonderful new America" you mock about is the same old America, police-responsewise, that it's always been.
2013-01-25 10:52:00 PM  
2 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: What's "the job?" Preventing crime or showing up after a crime to track down the criminal?

What's "enough to do the job?" One cop per crime to be solved? A 24/7 cop at every home?


And if they were made of straw, it would represent huge savings toward the tax payer.
2013-01-25 10:51:20 PM  
2 votes:

FarkinDaffy: Lived in MIlwaukee many years, and Wisconsin the rest. The problem with 911 is that they have to respond to all calls no matter what the call was about.

This ties up resources constantly and takes them away from the real issues. Is MPD unstaffed? Sure, has been for quite a few years.

Everyone keep cutting back not wanting to pay taxes and you end up in this situation. It didn't take months, it took years to get to this poing.


In 2004 SCOTUS ruled that the police don't have an obligation to help an individual, only society as a whole.
2013-01-25 10:48:52 PM  
2 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Well, if people would stop calling 911 because their pizza is 20 minutes late or to ask when the Lakers game starts, maybe 911 response time would be better. And maybe if people didn't have such a hissy fit about paying their goddamn taxes, the police department wouldn't have to lay off so many cops, and there would be enough officers around to do the job.

Anyone ever think of that?


What's "the job?"  Preventing crime or showing up after a crime to track down the criminal?

What's "enough to do the job?"  One cop per crime to be solved?  A 24/7 cop at every home?

Self-defense is the fastest defense, and the cheapest (if the criminal can't sue you for shooting him).
2013-01-25 10:48:22 PM  
2 votes:

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: ArkAngel: I heard this this morning. It struck me as very interesting and my first thought was that it was not only a strike out in favor of CC and gun safety, but also a passive-aggressive move towards increasing funding for the MSD.

You've figured it out.

It's notoriously impossible to fire police chiefs, but since this guy has now publicly admitted incompetence that threatens life and public order, they might have a chance.


Can't be fired. He's not Chief of Police (that's Ed Flynn). He's the Sheriff, an elected position. And he's pretty popular.
2013-01-25 10:39:34 PM  
2 votes:
Lived in MIlwaukee many years, and Wisconsin the rest. The problem with 911 is that they have to respond to all calls no matter what the call was about.

This ties up resources constantly and takes them away from the real issues. Is MPD unstaffed? Sure, has been for quite a few years.

Everyone keep cutting back not wanting to pay taxes and you end up in this situation. It didn't take months, it took years to get to this poing.
2013-01-25 10:38:24 PM  
2 votes:
If you rely on 911 to save you from a violent criminal, you're going to have a bad time.
2013-01-25 10:30:34 PM  
2 votes:
Sure, call 911. Depending on the 'emergency' the police sometimes wait a couple of hours before responding in order to reduce the amount of paperwork.

Shooting? Less paperwork with a corpse and no need to chase something around somewhere.
Car stolen? You call all the towing companies yards as it must of been towed, otherwise call your insurance agent.
Mugging? You can get new credit/debit cards shipped to you.
House destruction party? Dang if ya want a couple of hundreds kids chased, cuffed and processed, do it yourself. Just be discreet and don't leave much evidence of it.
2013-01-25 10:27:39 PM  
2 votes:
This guy is just trying to create an unnecessary aura of fear and panic in the public.

Everyone knows that calling - or even THINKING about calling 911 automatically disables any and all would-be burglars, muggers, rapists, robbers and murderers.

Why does he hate Dianne Feinstein?
2013-01-25 10:19:05 PM  
2 votes:
Laying down passively and waiting for the authorities to fix the situation died with the airline passengers on 9/11. By all means call 911, but do it for backup.
2013-01-25 10:10:18 PM  
2 votes:
2013-01-25 10:07:53 PM  
2 votes:
I like the dialogue between the sheriff and the mayor's office
Mayor's office: "Apparently Sheriff David Clark (sp) is auditioning for the next Dirty Harry movie."
Sheriff: "Several years ago a tire iron-wielding suspect beat Mayor Tom Barrett to within inches of his life. I would think that he would be a lot more sensitive to people being able to defend themselves in such instances. A firearm and a plan of defense would have come in handy for him that day"

So... epic...
2013-01-25 10:05:05 PM  
2 votes:
So is this guy the Sans Sherrif?
2013-01-25 09:57:23 PM  
2 votes:

feckingmorons: I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.


do they send a memo out with slogans and talking points?
2013-01-25 08:36:45 PM  
2 votes:
If I had to call 911, they'd probably shoot my dog. :/
2013-01-26 01:55:52 PM  
1 vote:

BronyMedic: rattchett: Tens of millons of Americans are armed and the vast majority (over 99.99%) are safe, law abiding decent people who would only ever shoot a person if left with no other option.

Sorry, but no. This doesn't fly. While yes, the majority of gun owners are average Americans who really don't buy into the derp and hype, and own a weapon to hunt or protect themselves, it's far more of a problem than you seem willing to admit that "Responsible" gun owners go full retard in a public manner.


There are between 43 and 55 million gun owners in the USA. There are approximately 100,000 shootings per year, which would include all types, including justified, murder, suicide, negligent, etc. The number of shootings include all guns, illegally and illegally owned.

If you take an average of 50 million gun owners and divide it by the number of shootings you come to .002. In other words .002% of gun owners shoot another person per year while 99.998% do not. Thus 99.99% of all gun owners are responsible. In fact more because I intentionally skewed the figures to be most favourable to those who would argue that the majority of gun owners are irresponsible.
2013-01-26 01:19:40 AM  
1 vote:
The other issue is that non-domestic violent crime in Milwaukee is almost entirely centered on be drug trade. If you are getting shot at or robbed, then stop dealing crack. The truly innocent, law-abiding homeowner that is the victim of a home invasion in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity. But that's not what all the small-penised, paranoid gun-stroking fans of Clark want to hear.
2013-01-26 12:34:34 AM  
1 vote:

BronyMedic: super_grass: Lots of sound and fury over some cop stating the obvious.

Should we also fire up the outrage machine when a fire chief tells us to learn fire safety and know how to put small ones out before they consume the house? I feel like the website is slowly being taken over by Consumerist commenters. Seriously, grow a pair.

There's a difference between saying "Hey, if someone breaks into your house, defend yourself" and "Hey, take the law into your own hands because we can't protect you." One is encouraging responsible citizenship. The other is encouraging vigilante justice and inferring he's a miserable manager of his department.


Would that be the difference between "you should defend yourself on your own if the police isn't there" and "If the police isn't there, you should defend yourself on your own"?


MOST sane, rational people don't consider it worth someone's life if they run off with your Pink Lawn Flamingo.


Most people in this thread aren't mentioning anything like that, with the outlier being you of course.
2013-01-26 12:22:37 AM  
1 vote:

Boojum2k: Be prepared to protect yourself, because the police probably won't be there to save you. What is so Goddamned controversial about that?


It implies that government isn't infallible and doesn't have magical powers, and this is fark.
2013-01-25 11:45:34 PM  
1 vote:

Boojum2k: Be prepared to protect yourself, because the police probably won't be there to save you. What is so Goddamned controversial about that?


My thoughts exactly. Then again I might have some what of a bias since I'm in law enforcement and have seen the end result of violent crimes after the fact. Wish this wasn't the case but it's not like we can read criminals minds and be there before they commit the crime. Such a small percentage is this the case where we can stop it before it happens compared to dealing with sobbing broken victims that if they are lucky will only have to deal with the mental trauma for the rest of their lives.
2013-01-25 11:27:18 PM  
1 vote:
Get up and get get get down...

Milwaukee sheriff probably thinks do-it-yourself justice applies to white folks. If somebody less than white tried to take matters into their own hands, it'd be all SWAT in a hurry.

By the way, what are the stats on gun-ownership and 2nd amendment paranoia by race?
2013-01-25 11:17:57 PM  
1 vote:

ArkAngel: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: ArkAngel: I heard this this morning. It struck me as very interesting and my first thought was that it was not only a strike out in favor of CC and gun safety, but also a passive-aggressive move towards increasing funding for the MSD.

You've figured it out.

It's notoriously impossible to fire police chiefs, but since this guy has now publicly admitted incompetence that threatens life and public order, they might have a chance.

Can't be fired. He's not Chief of Police (that's Ed Flynn). He's the Sheriff, an elected position. And he's pretty popular.


Because people like a "tough on crime" (he's really not. MCSO is a joke) farking moron as county sheriff, apparently.

Seriously. THE UW-MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROCESSES MORE CRIMINALS.

What? Yes. The police department for Milwaukee's university of 30,000 students. Seriously. Let me say that again.

THE UW-MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROCESSES MORE CRIMINALS.

The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office is a disgusting waste of space. Disband them and contract out the few roles they have to able and willing municipal police departments. They have no business existing in a 100% incorporated county.
2013-01-25 11:17:52 PM  
1 vote:

xria: Wanebo: Ever call 911 in Milwaukee? Car theives could easily be in Chicago before the police will get there. There was a report of someone last year calling in a burglary in progress and the police took over 2 DAYS to respond. Yes. Days.

David Clark telling people that they are working with the sherrifs department and that citizens might want to consider taking a certified responsible firearms handling course is not only justified and smart, it's thye exact opposite of "dumbass".

Sure, if you basically decide you live in a 3rd world country that can't afford to maintain proper law and order.


Please name the first world nation where the cops are always right there at your door when someone attacks you. Or that has a zero violent crime rate. Provide citations.
2013-01-25 11:10:51 PM  
1 vote:

RickN99: Over_Zealously_Apathetic: I need to watch more westerns so I know how to live in this wonderful new America.

What America have you ever lived in where cops said "We take total responsibility for your safety"?

The "wonderful new America" you mock about is the same old America, police-responsewise, that it's always been.


Not always. Calling 911 started in the 1970's. Using telephones started in the early 1900's. Shooting criminals yourself started in the 1700's.
2013-01-25 11:05:50 PM  
1 vote:

Jake Steed: Home protection is pretty much common sense and your responsibility. I won't go to slaughter like a lamb, unlike these libs.

2 animals broke into their home, tied up the family in the basement and slit their daughters throats in front of them and let the couple watch the daughters cough and struggle and then ultimately drown in their own blood. My Norinco Mak 90 assures this will never occur in my home. It is my responsibility to protect my family and I won't fail like this lib.


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2013-01-25 10:39:36 PM  
1 vote:
Home protection is pretty much common sense and your responsibility. I won't go to slaughter like a lamb, unlike these libs.

2 animals broke into their home, tied up the family in the basement and slit their daughters throats in front of them and let the couple watch the daughters cough and struggle and then ultimately drown in their own blood. My Norinco Mak 90 assures this will never occur in my home. It is my responsibility to protect my family and I won't fail like this lib.

Harvey murders
2013-01-25 10:38:50 PM  
1 vote:
don't call 911, fend for yourself, basically. Which is fine, but then we need to talk about me not paying the portion of taxes that fund the police, since that is a service no longer being offered, right?
2013-01-25 10:36:45 PM  
1 vote:

feckingmorons: Something bad has already happened if someone has to call 911 for the police.

When seconds count the police will be there in minutes.

I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.


Sounds like someone has been playing Bumper Sticker Bingo: Gun Nut Edition.
2013-01-25 10:29:07 PM  
1 vote:
I agree. I'd love it if other people did my job for me.
2013-01-25 10:03:08 PM  
1 vote:
While something has already gone wrong if you have to call 911 it seems like they need to find a new Sheriff that can run a police department properly.
2013-01-25 10:01:25 PM  
1 vote:
www.createquotes.com

Can't you people take the law into your own hands? I mean, we can't be policing the entire city.
2013-01-25 09:59:06 PM  
1 vote:
Paul Kersey to the rescue!

/ can't possibly be obscure
2013-01-25 09:15:08 PM  
1 vote:
I heard this this morning. It struck me as very interesting and my first thought was that it was not only a strike out in favor of CC and gun safety, but also a passive-aggressive move towards increasing funding for the MSD.
 
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