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2013-01-25 11:05:50 PM  

Jake Steed: Home protection is pretty much common sense and your responsibility. I won't go to slaughter like a lamb, unlike these libs.

2 animals broke into their home, tied up the family in the basement and slit their daughters throats in front of them and let the couple watch the daughters cough and struggle and then ultimately drown in their own blood. My Norinco Mak 90 assures this will never occur in my home. It is my responsibility to protect my family and I won't fail like this lib.


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2013-01-25 11:10:51 PM  

RickN99: Over_Zealously_Apathetic: I need to watch more westerns so I know how to live in this wonderful new America.

What America have you ever lived in where cops said "We take total responsibility for your safety"?

The "wonderful new America" you mock about is the same old America, police-responsewise, that it's always been.


Not always. Calling 911 started in the 1970's. Using telephones started in the early 1900's. Shooting criminals yourself started in the 1700's.
 
2013-01-25 11:11:45 PM  
Well they didn't get all of the Pentagon but otherwise I think it was pretty effective.
 
2013-01-25 11:12:22 PM  

Wanebo: Ever call 911 in Milwaukee? Car theives could easily be in Chicago before the police will get there. There was a report of someone last year calling in a burglary in progress and the police took over 2 DAYS to respond. Yes. Days.

David Clark telling people that they are working with the sherrifs department and that citizens might want to consider taking a certified responsible firearms handling course is not only justified and smart, it's thye exact opposite of "dumbass".


Sure, if you basically decide you live in a 3rd world country that can't afford to maintain proper law and order.
 
2013-01-25 11:15:00 PM  
Be prepared to protect yourself, because the police probably won't be there to save you. What is so Goddamned controversial about that?
 
2013-01-25 11:17:16 PM  
Is this a green light for vigilantism??
/'cause I gots ideas...
 
2013-01-25 11:17:52 PM  

xria: Wanebo: Ever call 911 in Milwaukee? Car theives could easily be in Chicago before the police will get there. There was a report of someone last year calling in a burglary in progress and the police took over 2 DAYS to respond. Yes. Days.

David Clark telling people that they are working with the sherrifs department and that citizens might want to consider taking a certified responsible firearms handling course is not only justified and smart, it's thye exact opposite of "dumbass".

Sure, if you basically decide you live in a 3rd world country that can't afford to maintain proper law and order.


Please name the first world nation where the cops are always right there at your door when someone attacks you. Or that has a zero violent crime rate. Provide citations.
 
2013-01-25 11:17:57 PM  

ArkAngel: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: ArkAngel: I heard this this morning. It struck me as very interesting and my first thought was that it was not only a strike out in favor of CC and gun safety, but also a passive-aggressive move towards increasing funding for the MSD.

You've figured it out.

It's notoriously impossible to fire police chiefs, but since this guy has now publicly admitted incompetence that threatens life and public order, they might have a chance.

Can't be fired. He's not Chief of Police (that's Ed Flynn). He's the Sheriff, an elected position. And he's pretty popular.


Because people like a "tough on crime" (he's really not. MCSO is a joke) farking moron as county sheriff, apparently.

Seriously. THE UW-MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROCESSES MORE CRIMINALS.

What? Yes. The police department for Milwaukee's university of 30,000 students. Seriously. Let me say that again.

THE UW-MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROCESSES MORE CRIMINALS.

The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office is a disgusting waste of space. Disband them and contract out the few roles they have to able and willing municipal police departments. They have no business existing in a 100% incorporated county.
 
2013-01-25 11:21:07 PM  

GUTSU: FarkinDaffy: Lived in MIlwaukee many years, and Wisconsin the rest. The problem with 911 is that they have to respond to all calls no matter what the call was about.

This ties up resources constantly and takes them away from the real issues. Is MPD unstaffed? Sure, has been for quite a few years.

Everyone keep cutting back not wanting to pay taxes and you end up in this situation. It didn't take months, it took years to get to this poing.

In 2004 SCOTUS ruled that the police don't have an obligation to help an individual, only society as a whole.


Took too damn long for this.

CSS: Couple years ago, I was home alone with the kids and someone started going around, banging on all my windows. At the time, we lived in a duplex and the folks in the other half were drug dealers and jackasses. So I had reason to be worried. Called 911, sent the kids to their windowless room, and got down the .45. Sat down to wait. TWENTY-NINE minutes later, cops finally showed up. And announced their presence, naturally, by banging on my farking bedroom window instead of knocking on the door. If I was a little jumpier, it would have turned out bad for us both.

BTW, the police substation was a whopping 5 miles away. And given the neighborhood, there are always a lot of patrols. And it still took them half an hour.
 
2013-01-25 11:27:18 PM  
Get up and get get get down...

Milwaukee sheriff probably thinks do-it-yourself justice applies to white folks. If somebody less than white tried to take matters into their own hands, it'd be all SWAT in a hurry.

By the way, what are the stats on gun-ownership and 2nd amendment paranoia by race?
 
2013-01-25 11:29:33 PM  

CmndrFish: ArkAngel: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: ArkAngel: I heard this this morning. It struck me as very interesting and my first thought was that it was not only a strike out in favor of CC and gun safety, but also a passive-aggressive move towards increasing funding for the MSD.

You've figured it out.

It's notoriously impossible to fire police chiefs, but since this guy has now publicly admitted incompetence that threatens life and public order, they might have a chance.

Can't be fired. He's not Chief of Police (that's Ed Flynn). He's the Sheriff, an elected position. And he's pretty popular.

Because people like a "tough on crime" (he's really not. MCSO is a joke) farking moron as county sheriff, apparently.

Seriously. THE UW-MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROCESSES MORE CRIMINALS.

What? Yes. The police department for Milwaukee's university of 30,000 students. Seriously. Let me say that again.

THE UW-MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROCESSES MORE CRIMINALS.

The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office is a disgusting waste of space. Disband them and contract out the few roles they have to able and willing municipal police departments. They have no business existing in a 100% incorporated county.

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Holy shiat!! Am I wasted or is this the most confusing post I have seen in 10 years at Fark.
 
2013-01-25 11:38:07 PM  
Csb time: I was once at a Brewers game where sheriff's deputy cuffed and hauled off the beer man. While I was trying to order.

/asked deputy if he could pour me one
//it's Milwaukee, they should be trained for these emergencies.
 
2013-01-25 11:40:05 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: feckingmorons: I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.

do they send a memo out with slogans and talking points?


No, it is a magazine, it comes every month. You should see the news articles about how armed citizens saved their lives by safely using a gun against armed criminals.

I'll happily get you a subscription to American Rifleman. EIP.
 
2013-01-25 11:41:50 PM  

deadsanta: Well then, time to fire that entire PD and 911 center and find someone will do their job. Maybe a neighboring county has a department with it's shiat together and would take over the policing duties for a suitable fee?


I think that is the problem. Money does not grow on trees. The city is in much worse shape than the county when it comes to police response times. That is one of the reasons the state is drawing a hard line on overly generous pension benefits to public employees. They spend more taxpayer money on former employees than current employees.
 
2013-01-25 11:45:34 PM  

Boojum2k: Be prepared to protect yourself, because the police probably won't be there to save you. What is so Goddamned controversial about that?


My thoughts exactly. Then again I might have some what of a bias since I'm in law enforcement and have seen the end result of violent crimes after the fact. Wish this wasn't the case but it's not like we can read criminals minds and be there before they commit the crime. Such a small percentage is this the case where we can stop it before it happens compared to dealing with sobbing broken victims that if they are lucky will only have to deal with the mental trauma for the rest of their lives.
 
2013-01-25 11:48:06 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: ArkAngel: I heard this this morning. It struck me as very interesting and my first thought was that it was not only a strike out in favor of CC and gun safety, but also a passive-aggressive move towards increasing funding for the MSD.

You've figured it out.

It's notoriously impossible to fire police chiefs, but since this guy has now publicly admitted incompetence that threatens life and public order, they might have a chance.


Speaking of incompetence. He is not a police chief, he is a sheriff. He is not appointed to the position, he is elected. The people want a sheriff who won't bullshiat them. They people want a sheriff who won't sugarcoat the truth. The people want a sheriff that won't get in the way of their right to defend themselves from criminals.

He was appointed by a Republican governor (he is himself a Democrat) to fill a vacancy and had been re-elected since 2002. The people know what they want, it is Sheriff Clarke.
 
2013-01-25 11:49:33 PM  
The cops are not there to protect you.
A gun in the hand is worth 2 cops on the phone.

/Annnnnnnnd goodnight folks!
 
2013-01-25 11:49:39 PM  

hideous: don't call 911, fend for yourself, basically. Which is fine, but then we need to talk about me not paying the portion of taxes that fund the police, since that is a service no longer being offered, right?


OK, your cut is probably 30 bucks. I'll send you a check.
 
2013-01-25 11:50:23 PM  

KarmicDisaster: You just need to build more police stations in the crime areas.


And have midnight basketball
 
2013-01-25 11:51:29 PM  

Jake Steed: CmndrFish: ArkAngel: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: ArkAngel: I heard this this morning. It struck me as very interesting and my first thought was that it was not only a strike out in favor of CC and gun safety, but also a passive-aggressive move towards increasing funding for the MSD.

You've figured it out.

It's notoriously impossible to fire police chiefs, but since this guy has now publicly admitted incompetence that threatens life and public order, they might have a chance.

Can't be fired. He's not Chief of Police (that's Ed Flynn). He's the Sheriff, an elected position. And he's pretty popular.

Because people like a "tough on crime" (he's really not. MCSO is a joke) farking moron as county sheriff, apparently.

Seriously. THE UW-MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROCESSES MORE CRIMINALS.

What? Yes. The police department for Milwaukee's university of 30,000 students. Seriously. Let me say that again.

THE UW-MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROCESSES MORE CRIMINALS.

The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office is a disgusting waste of space. Disband them and contract out the few roles they have to able and willing municipal police departments. They have no business existing in a 100% incorporated county.
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Holy shiat!! Am I wasted or is this the most confusing post I have seen in 10 years at Fark.


Must be drunk...its not even the most confusing one I've seen this week...

/ still made me got "wtf is this I don't even"
 
2013-01-25 11:52:31 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Your entire country has gone completely batshiat farking insane.

You do realise this by now, don't you?


we stole it from your country, wanker
 
2013-01-25 11:56:06 PM  
This Sheriff's admission that police officers are unable to instantaneously transport themselves to the locations of emergency calls via Star Trek-based technology is proof that he is incompetent and that he should be fired and replaced with a Sheriff who is prepared to guarantee that police will always arrive to stop reported crimes in progress.
 
2013-01-25 11:57:35 PM  
As the saying goes.

Gun control is a woman who was murdered in an alley feeling morally superior to a woman explaining why she had to defend herself to the police using lethal force.

This example is no different and we are getting the usual BS from people crying that you shouldn't defend yourself.
 
2013-01-26 12:03:05 AM  

Boojum2k: xria: Wanebo: Ever call 911 in Milwaukee? Car theives could easily be in Chicago before the police will get there. There was a report of someone last year calling in a burglary in progress and the police took over 2 DAYS to respond. Yes. Days.

David Clark telling people that they are working with the sherrifs department and that citizens might want to consider taking a certified responsible firearms handling course is not only justified and smart, it's thye exact opposite of "dumbass".

Sure, if you basically decide you live in a 3rd world country that can't afford to maintain proper law and order.

Please name the first world nation where the cops are always right there at your door when someone attacks you. Or that has a zero violent crime rate. Provide citations.


Perhaps xria is stating only that in proper, civilized societies, citizens politely allow criminals to commit violent crimes without engaging in any defensive behaviour that may cause undue harm to the criminal.
 
2013-01-26 12:05:23 AM  

CmndrFish: The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office is a disgusting waste of space. Disband them and contract out the few roles they have to able and willing municipal police departments. They have no business existing in a 100% incorporated county.


Your grasp of state law is astounding. Removing a Constitution Officer is actually impossible. The police departments can go away, but the Sheriff's Office must remain as it is required by law.

Perhaps with a no-nonsense sheriff like Sheriff Clark running the whole county you'd be better off.
 
2013-01-26 12:08:09 AM  

Jake Steed: Home protection is pretty much common sense and your responsibility. I won't go to slaughter like a lamb, unlike these libs.

2 animals broke into their home, tied up the family in the basement and slit their daughters throats in front of them and let the couple watch the daughters cough and struggle and then ultimately drown in their own blood. My Norinco Mak 90 assures this will never occur in my home. It is my responsibility to protect my family and I won't fail like this lib.

Harvey murders


your internet tough guy penis is many feet long, Kimosabe. i pity the family, co-workers and neighbors that have to be around the likes of you.
 
2013-01-26 12:14:14 AM  
Very interesting story. As a resident of Greenfield, I'm a bit shocked. Crime isn't a major concern of mine though it has been on my mind more given the recent economics. Being a suburb of Milwaukee I've been amazed by the police response time - it's been rather quick. In the last year I needed to call twice. The first being suspected credit card theft and the second being suspected intrusion (or squatting) in our neighbor's foreclosed house. Turned out a neighbor's friend with out of state plates thought it would be a good place to park his car. Police responded within 10-20 minutes.
 
2013-01-26 12:15:39 AM  

GUTSU: In 2004 SCOTUS ruled that the police don't have an obligation to help an individual, only society as a whole.


That's nice. Now tell us how the individual officers on the street feel versus desk bound administrators who have to deal with lawsuits. I think you'll find a differing opinion.
 
2013-01-26 12:16:17 AM  

Dimensio: Boojum2k: xria: Wanebo: Ever call 911 in Milwaukee? Car theives could easily be in Chicago before the police will get there. There was a report of someone last year calling in a burglary in progress and the police took over 2 DAYS to respond. Yes. Days.

David Clark telling people that they are working with the sherrifs department and that citizens might want to consider taking a certified responsible firearms handling course is not only justified and smart, it's thye exact opposite of "dumbass".

Sure, if you basically decide you live in a 3rd world country that can't afford to maintain proper law and order.

Please name the first world nation where the cops are always right there at your door when someone attacks you. Or that has a zero violent crime rate. Provide citations.

Perhaps xria is stating only that in proper, civilized societies, citizens politely allow criminals to commit violent crimes without engaging in any defensive behaviour that may cause undue harm to the criminal.


That is usually how "proper law and order" gets defined by folks like that, isn't it? "Be a good serf, don't cause trouble, be glad we haven't reinstituted droit de seigneur. Yet"
 
2013-01-26 12:22:37 AM  

Boojum2k: Be prepared to protect yourself, because the police probably won't be there to save you. What is so Goddamned controversial about that?


It implies that government isn't infallible and doesn't have magical powers, and this is fark.
 
2013-01-26 12:22:58 AM  
Lots of sound and fury over some cop stating the obvious.

Should we also fire up the outrage machine when a fire chief tells us to learn fire safety and know how to put small ones out before they consume the house? I feel like the website is slowly being taken over by Consumerist commenters. Seriously, grow a pair.
 
2013-01-26 12:25:25 AM  

super_grass: Should we also fire up the outrage machine when a fire chief tells us to learn fire safety and know how to put small ones out before they consume the house?


If we want to ban fire extinguishers, we don't have much choice.
 
2013-01-26 12:27:07 AM  

super_grass: Lots of sound and fury over some cop stating the obvious.

Should we also fire up the outrage machine when a fire chief tells us to learn fire safety and know how to put small ones out before they consume the house? I feel like the website is slowly being taken over by Consumerist commenters. Seriously, grow a pair.


There's a difference between saying "Hey, if someone breaks into your house, defend yourself" and "Hey, take the law into your own hands because we can't protect you." One is encouraging responsible citizenship. The other is encouraging vigilante justice and inferring he's a miserable manager of his department.

MOST sane, rational people don't consider it worth someone's life if they run off with your Pink Lawn Flamingo.
 
2013-01-26 12:27:33 AM  
Oddly enough, most of the violent crime committed in Wisconsin occurs in one county: Milwaukee County. And Milwaukee County is the same place that gave us Scott Walker. Metro Milwaukee, your source for derp, poverty, and crime.
 
2013-01-26 12:27:44 AM  
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2013-01-26 12:27:52 AM  

super_grass: Lots of sound and fury over some cop stating the obvious.

Should we also fire up the outrage machine when a fire chief tells us to learn fire safety and know how to put small ones out before they consume the house? I feel like the website is slowly being taken over by Consumerist commenters. Seriously, grow a pair.


More than one Fark commentator has claimed that using deadly force against a violent attacker constitutes "murder". One explicitly stated that causing death to an attempted rapist is "murder". Many individuals are evidently irrational and stupid.
 
2013-01-26 12:29:33 AM  

Dimensio: More than one Fark commentator has claimed that using deadly force against a violent attacker constitutes "murder". One explicitly stated that causing death to an attempted rapist is "murder". Many individuals are evidently irrational and stupid.


[CITATION NEEDED]

Or is this turning into a Trayvon Martin "We only have one side of the story" thread? I'm pretty sure no one has said shooting an "attempted rapist" during the attack is murder. After the attack when you're in no danger and he's out in your front yard, yeah. They might have some problems with that in some states.
 
2013-01-26 12:30:12 AM  

super_grass: Lots of sound and fury over some cop stating the obvious.

Should we also fire up the outrage machine when a fire chief tells us to learn fire safety and know how to put small ones out before they consume the house? I feel like the website is slowly being taken over by Consumerist commenters. Seriously, grow a pair.


Fantastic analogy.

Here's a question for those who don't like what he said: What is the JOB of the sheriff? To protect the people you say? Okay, and how are we going to MEASURE that? Violent crime rate? Sounds good. And if this action lowers the violent crime rate because criminals know that the residents of that county are better armed than those of the neighboring county? Certainly looks like he's doing his job by the agreed upon measure. Yay strawman.
 
2013-01-26 12:34:34 AM  

BronyMedic: super_grass: Lots of sound and fury over some cop stating the obvious.

Should we also fire up the outrage machine when a fire chief tells us to learn fire safety and know how to put small ones out before they consume the house? I feel like the website is slowly being taken over by Consumerist commenters. Seriously, grow a pair.

There's a difference between saying "Hey, if someone breaks into your house, defend yourself" and "Hey, take the law into your own hands because we can't protect you." One is encouraging responsible citizenship. The other is encouraging vigilante justice and inferring he's a miserable manager of his department.


Would that be the difference between "you should defend yourself on your own if the police isn't there" and "If the police isn't there, you should defend yourself on your own"?


MOST sane, rational people don't consider it worth someone's life if they run off with your Pink Lawn Flamingo.


Most people in this thread aren't mentioning anything like that, with the outlier being you of course.
 
2013-01-26 12:35:47 AM  

jweber26: Very interesting story. As a resident of Greenfield, I'm a bit shocked. Crime isn't a major concern of mine though it has been on my mind more given the recent economics. Being a suburb of Milwaukee I've been amazed by the police response time - it's been rather quick. In the last year I needed to call twice. The first being suspected credit card theft and the second being suspected intrusion (or squatting) in our neighbor's foreclosed house. Turned out a neighbor's friend with out of state plates thought it would be a good place to park his car. Police responded within 10-20 minutes.


That's pretty good response time... for a financial crime and a merely suspicious circumstance. I'm surprised they came at all for the credit card.  Many PDs would tell you to come to the station to file a report.

But 10-20 minutes seems a lot longer when someone is kicking down your front door.
 
2013-01-26 12:36:11 AM  
You know, people use 911 for more than just situations where someone needs to be shot.
 
2013-01-26 12:38:41 AM  

poorjon: BarkingUnicorn: What's "the job?" Preventing crime or showing up after a crime to track down the criminal?

What's "enough to do the job?" One cop per crime to be solved? A 24/7 cop at every home?

And if they were made of straw, it would represent huge savings toward the tax payer.


Plus you save money by recycling those straw men while arguing about both gun control and violence reduction.
 
2013-01-26 12:41:04 AM  

cryinoutloud: You know, people use 911 for more than just situations where someone needs to be shot.


Your point being?

The sheriff was discussing citizens' options when faced with violent attack in their homes.  He didn't tell anyone not to all 911.
 
2013-01-26 12:41:32 AM  

super_grass: Would that be the difference between "you should defend yourself on your own if the police isn't there" and "If the police isn't there, you should defend yourself on your own"?


fc03.deviantart.net 

Sure, let's go this route. So we can all agree that if someone has broken into your house, it's safe to assume your life is in immediate danger, and shooting the asshole doing it is pretty kosher, right?

How long until some wannabe rent-a-cop decides to patrol the neighborhood in his own vehicle, since the "police can't protect them", and shoot a few people for the crime of loitering while black? Or someone decides to take the law into their own hands because someone decided to trespass on their property?

The point being, it's pretty damn irresponsible as a law officer to tell people to go take the law into their own hands, versus protecting themselves in immediate danger.

super_grass: Most people in this thread aren't mentioning anything like that, with the outlier being you of course.


I was being sarcastic at the fact many people on FARK seem to think simple property theft is a reason for someone's life to be forfeit (particularly Texans, which have glitchy laws that can allow it in some situations), but the reason I mention it is that I've lived through one of these periods. In 2008, Willie Herrington went on the local news and said the Memphis Police were unable to protect people, and that they should be ready to "Take the law into their own hands".
 
2013-01-26 12:46:37 AM  
Fark, where posters hate guns, and hate cops, but love cops when the talk is about citizens with guns.
 
2013-01-26 12:47:51 AM  

BronyMedic: How long until some wannabe rent-a-cop decides to patrol the neighborhood in his own vehicle, since the "police can't protect them", and shoot a few people for the crime of loitering while black? Or someone decides to take the law into their own hands because someone decided to trespass on their property?


Or sells heroin on the corner, or rapes some children. Since the sheriff didn't tell anyone to do that either.

It would be irresponsible for a sheriff to tell people to go vigilante all over the neighborhood. I imagine that's why he didn't do that. No matter how much you wanted him to.
 
2013-01-26 12:50:00 AM  

BronyMedic: The point being, it's pretty damn irresponsible as a law officer to tell people to go take the law into their own hands, versus protecting themselves in immediate danger.


This sheriff talked ONLY about protecting yourself when in immediate danger.

In 2008, Willie Herrington went on the local news and said the Memphis Police were unable to protect people, and that they should be ready to "Take the law into their own hands".

Shrug.  That's the same thing this sheriff said.  Are you omitting something that Herrington said?  Did he tell people to patrol the streets and beat up pink flamingo thieves?
 
2013-01-26 12:50:19 AM  

BronyMedic: Now tell us how the individual officers on the street feel versus desk bound administrators


They want to crack skulls, kill dogs and pepper spray protesters?

Maybe solicit sex from a minor every once in a while?
 
2013-01-26 12:51:35 AM  

paygun: Or sells heroin on the corner, or rapes some children. Since the sheriff didn't tell anyone to do that either.

It would be irresponsible for a sheriff to tell people to go vigilante all over the neighborhood. I imagine that's why he didn't do that. No matter how much you wanted him to.


Hey, those are nice Strawmen. I'm sure you can keep the field free of crows with them.

At any rate, the point is being purposefully vague to promote a political agenda, and telling people "911 won't protect you" without being more specific isn't a responsible thing to do.
 
2013-01-26 12:51:58 AM  
For those advocating 9-1-1 as the panacea, what was the response time at Sandy Hook?
 
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