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(FOX6Now)   Milwaukee sheriff says 911 is ineffective, encourages people to act for themselves. Not like anything bad could happen, right?   (fox6now.com) divider line 266
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2013-01-25 06:28:35 PM  
Something bad has already happened if someone has to call 911 for the police.

When seconds count the police will be there in minutes.

I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.
 
2013-01-25 06:41:58 PM  
Ever call 911 in Milwaukee? Car theives could easily be in Chicago before the police will get there. There was a report of someone last year calling in a burglary in progress and the police took over 2 DAYS to respond. Yes. Days.

David Clark telling people that they are working with the sherrifs department and that citizens might want to consider taking a certified responsible firearms handling course is not only justified and smart, it's thye exact opposite of "dumbass".
 
wee
2013-01-25 06:59:48 PM  
You mean I'm responsible for my own safety?! Oh the Horror!
 
2013-01-25 07:26:36 PM  

wee: You mean I'm responsible for my own safety?! Oh the Horror!


That's why I'm against 911 and police departments in general. Also hospitals. They take away people's incentive to be safe.
 
2013-01-25 08:36:45 PM  
If I had to call 911, they'd probably shoot my dog. :/
 
2013-01-25 08:37:37 PM  
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2013-01-25 09:15:08 PM  
I heard this this morning. It struck me as very interesting and my first thought was that it was not only a strike out in favor of CC and gun safety, but also a passive-aggressive move towards increasing funding for the MSD.
 
2013-01-25 09:57:23 PM  

feckingmorons: I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.


do they send a memo out with slogans and talking points?
 
2013-01-25 09:58:57 PM  
Well then, time to fire that entire PD and 911 center and find someone will do their job. Maybe a neighboring county has a department with it's shiat together and would take over the policing duties for a suitable fee?
 
2013-01-25 09:59:06 PM  
Paul Kersey to the rescue!

/ can't possibly be obscure
 
2013-01-25 09:59:43 PM  
He could have been a bit more specific and saved himself a whole heap of trouble.
 
2013-01-25 10:01:25 PM  
www.createquotes.com

Can't you people take the law into your own hands? I mean, we can't be policing the entire city.
 
2013-01-25 10:02:10 PM  
Well, if people would stop calling 911 because their pizza is 20 minutes late or to ask when the Lakers game starts, maybe 911 response time would be better. And maybe if people didn't have such a hissy fit about paying their goddamn taxes, the police department wouldn't have to lay off so many cops, and there would be enough officers around to do the job.

Anyone ever think of that?
 
2013-01-25 10:02:32 PM  
Sheriff don't like it.
 
2013-01-25 10:03:08 PM  
While something has already gone wrong if you have to call 911 it seems like they need to find a new Sheriff that can run a police department properly.
 
2013-01-25 10:04:39 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: feckingmorons: I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.

do they send a memo out with slogans and talking points?


Yes, It is actually on the other side of the memo that anti-gun groups send out with slogans and talking points for their position. Both sides are so farking stubborn that they refuse to even turn a paper over to find out what the other side thinks.
 
2013-01-25 10:05:05 PM  
So is this guy the Sans Sherrif?
 
2013-01-25 10:07:53 PM  
I like the dialogue between the sheriff and the mayor's office
Mayor's office: "Apparently Sheriff David Clark (sp) is auditioning for the next Dirty Harry movie."
Sheriff: "Several years ago a tire iron-wielding suspect beat Mayor Tom Barrett to within inches of his life. I would think that he would be a lot more sensitive to people being able to defend themselves in such instances. A firearm and a plan of defense would have come in handy for him that day"

So... epic...
 
2013-01-25 10:08:03 PM  

HK-MP5-SD: Spanky_McFarksalot: feckingmorons: I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.

do they send a memo out with slogans and talking points?

Yes, It is actually on the other side of the memo that anti-gun groups send out with slogans and talking points for their position. Both sides are so farking stubborn that they refuse to even turn a paper over to find out what the other side thinks.


Guns for some ... miniature American flags for others!
 
2013-01-25 10:08:20 PM  
I need to watch more westerns so I know how to live in this wonderful new America.
 
2013-01-25 10:10:11 PM  

Tarl3k: So is this guy the Sans Sherrif?


Font Humor!!
 
2013-01-25 10:10:18 PM  
 
2013-01-25 10:19:05 PM  
Laying down passively and waiting for the authorities to fix the situation died with the airline passengers on 9/11. By all means call 911, but do it for backup.
 
2013-01-25 10:23:05 PM  
I guess I could understand reduced services in Detroit, but Milwaukee? That's a whole 'nother potato IMHO.
 
2013-01-25 10:24:19 PM  

Earpj: If I had to call 911, they'd probably shoot my dog. :/


"Farking mutt!  If you deserved to live, he wouldn't have to bother us!"
 
2013-01-25 10:27:30 PM  

wee: You mean I'm responsible for my own safety?! Oh the Horror!


Shut up and earn tax dollars peasant.
 
2013-01-25 10:27:39 PM  
This guy is just trying to create an unnecessary aura of fear and panic in the public.

Everyone knows that calling - or even THINKING about calling 911 automatically disables any and all would-be burglars, muggers, rapists, robbers and murderers.

Why does he hate Dianne Feinstein?
 
2013-01-25 10:28:21 PM  

ArkAngel: I heard this this morning. It struck me as very interesting and my first thought was that it was not only a strike out in favor of CC and gun safety, but also a passive-aggressive move towards increasing funding for the MSD.


You've figured it out.

It's notoriously impossible to fire police chiefs, but since this guy has now publicly admitted incompetence that threatens life and public order, they might have a chance.
 
2013-01-25 10:29:07 PM  
I agree. I'd love it if other people did my job for me.
 
2013-01-25 10:30:21 PM  
Sherrif don't like 911? Rock the casbah.
 
2013-01-25 10:30:34 PM  
Sure, call 911. Depending on the 'emergency' the police sometimes wait a couple of hours before responding in order to reduce the amount of paperwork.

Shooting? Less paperwork with a corpse and no need to chase something around somewhere.
Car stolen? You call all the towing companies yards as it must of been towed, otherwise call your insurance agent.
Mugging? You can get new credit/debit cards shipped to you.
House destruction party? Dang if ya want a couple of hundreds kids chased, cuffed and processed, do it yourself. Just be discreet and don't leave much evidence of it.
 
2013-01-25 10:30:58 PM  
Your entire country has gone completely batshiat farking insane.

You do realise this by now, don't you?
 
2013-01-25 10:32:16 PM  

GypsyJoker: Sheriff don't like it.


Rock the cash bar.
 
2013-01-25 10:35:53 PM  

Wanebo: Ever call 911 in Milwaukee? Car theives could easily be in Chicago before the police will get there. There was a report of someone last year calling in a burglary in progress and the police took over 2 DAYS to respond. Yes. Days.

David Clark telling people that they are working with the sherrifs department and that citizens might want to consider taking a certified responsible firearms handling course is not only justified and smart, it's thye exact opposite of "dumbass".


Or maybe, just maybe he's incompetent at his job and needs to improve his damn department.
 
2013-01-25 10:36:05 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Your entire country has gone completely batshiat farking insane.

You do realise this by now, don't you?



Diversity in action!
 
2013-01-25 10:36:45 PM  

feckingmorons: Something bad has already happened if someone has to call 911 for the police.

When seconds count the police will be there in minutes.

I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.


Sounds like someone has been playing Bumper Sticker Bingo: Gun Nut Edition.
 
2013-01-25 10:38:24 PM  
If you rely on 911 to save you from a violent criminal, you're going to have a bad time.
 
2013-01-25 10:38:50 PM  
don't call 911, fend for yourself, basically. Which is fine, but then we need to talk about me not paying the portion of taxes that fund the police, since that is a service no longer being offered, right?
 
2013-01-25 10:39:34 PM  
Lived in MIlwaukee many years, and Wisconsin the rest. The problem with 911 is that they have to respond to all calls no matter what the call was about.

This ties up resources constantly and takes them away from the real issues. Is MPD unstaffed? Sure, has been for quite a few years.

Everyone keep cutting back not wanting to pay taxes and you end up in this situation. It didn't take months, it took years to get to this poing.
 
2013-01-25 10:39:36 PM  
Home protection is pretty much common sense and your responsibility. I won't go to slaughter like a lamb, unlike these libs.

2 animals broke into their home, tied up the family in the basement and slit their daughters throats in front of them and let the couple watch the daughters cough and struggle and then ultimately drown in their own blood. My Norinco Mak 90 assures this will never occur in my home. It is my responsibility to protect my family and I won't fail like this lib.

Harvey murders
 
2013-01-25 10:42:27 PM  

feckingmorons: Something bad has already happened if someone has to call 911 for the police.

When seconds count the police will be there in minutes.

I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.


Aw man, was today lame catch phrase day and no one told me?
 
2013-01-25 10:48:22 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: ArkAngel: I heard this this morning. It struck me as very interesting and my first thought was that it was not only a strike out in favor of CC and gun safety, but also a passive-aggressive move towards increasing funding for the MSD.

You've figured it out.

It's notoriously impossible to fire police chiefs, but since this guy has now publicly admitted incompetence that threatens life and public order, they might have a chance.


Can't be fired. He's not Chief of Police (that's Ed Flynn). He's the Sheriff, an elected position. And he's pretty popular.
 
2013-01-25 10:48:52 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Well, if people would stop calling 911 because their pizza is 20 minutes late or to ask when the Lakers game starts, maybe 911 response time would be better. And maybe if people didn't have such a hissy fit about paying their goddamn taxes, the police department wouldn't have to lay off so many cops, and there would be enough officers around to do the job.

Anyone ever think of that?


What's "the job?"  Preventing crime or showing up after a crime to track down the criminal?

What's "enough to do the job?"  One cop per crime to be solved?  A 24/7 cop at every home?

Self-defense is the fastest defense, and the cheapest (if the criminal can't sue you for shooting him).

 
2013-01-25 10:51:13 PM  
Without 911 how am I supposed to get my dog shot?
 
2013-01-25 10:51:20 PM  

FarkinDaffy: Lived in MIlwaukee many years, and Wisconsin the rest. The problem with 911 is that they have to respond to all calls no matter what the call was about.

This ties up resources constantly and takes them away from the real issues. Is MPD unstaffed? Sure, has been for quite a few years.

Everyone keep cutting back not wanting to pay taxes and you end up in this situation. It didn't take months, it took years to get to this poing.


In 2004 SCOTUS ruled that the police don't have an obligation to help an individual, only society as a whole.
 
2013-01-25 10:52:00 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: What's "the job?" Preventing crime or showing up after a crime to track down the criminal?

What's "enough to do the job?" One cop per crime to be solved? A 24/7 cop at every home?


And if they were made of straw, it would represent huge savings toward the tax payer.
 
2013-01-25 10:53:18 PM  

nytmare: HK-MP5-SD: Spanky_McFarksalot: feckingmorons: I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.

do they send a memo out with slogans and talking points?

Yes, It is actually on the other side of the memo that anti-gun groups send out with slogans and talking points for their position. Both sides are so farking stubborn that they refuse to even turn a paper over to find out what the other side thinks.

Guns for some ... miniature American flags for others!


Pretty sure you're overlapping the demographic near to 100% there, hoss.

Nice to see R Lee Ermey working.
 
2013-01-25 10:55:06 PM  
You just need to build more police stations in the crime areas.
 
2013-01-25 11:01:17 PM  
Suckmaster Burstingfoam:

It's notoriously impossible to fire police chiefs, but since this guy has now publicly admitted incompetence that threatens life and public order, they might have a chance.

He's a sheriff, an elected official.  Who can fire him?

"Threatens life and public order," my ass.  He didn't advise citizens to mount their own vigilante street patrols.  He advised them to be prepared to protect themselves in their own homes.
 
2013-01-25 11:03:55 PM  

Over_Zealously_Apathetic: I need to watch more westerns so I know how to live in this wonderful new America.


What America have you ever lived in where cops said "We take total responsibility for your safety"?

The "wonderful new America" you mock about is the same old America, police-responsewise, that it's always been.
 
2013-01-25 11:05:50 PM  

Jake Steed: Home protection is pretty much common sense and your responsibility. I won't go to slaughter like a lamb, unlike these libs.

2 animals broke into their home, tied up the family in the basement and slit their daughters throats in front of them and let the couple watch the daughters cough and struggle and then ultimately drown in their own blood. My Norinco Mak 90 assures this will never occur in my home. It is my responsibility to protect my family and I won't fail like this lib.


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-01-25 11:10:51 PM  

RickN99: Over_Zealously_Apathetic: I need to watch more westerns so I know how to live in this wonderful new America.

What America have you ever lived in where cops said "We take total responsibility for your safety"?

The "wonderful new America" you mock about is the same old America, police-responsewise, that it's always been.


Not always. Calling 911 started in the 1970's. Using telephones started in the early 1900's. Shooting criminals yourself started in the 1700's.
 
2013-01-25 11:11:45 PM  
Well they didn't get all of the Pentagon but otherwise I think it was pretty effective.
 
2013-01-25 11:12:22 PM  

Wanebo: Ever call 911 in Milwaukee? Car theives could easily be in Chicago before the police will get there. There was a report of someone last year calling in a burglary in progress and the police took over 2 DAYS to respond. Yes. Days.

David Clark telling people that they are working with the sherrifs department and that citizens might want to consider taking a certified responsible firearms handling course is not only justified and smart, it's thye exact opposite of "dumbass".


Sure, if you basically decide you live in a 3rd world country that can't afford to maintain proper law and order.
 
2013-01-25 11:15:00 PM  
Be prepared to protect yourself, because the police probably won't be there to save you. What is so Goddamned controversial about that?
 
2013-01-25 11:17:16 PM  
Is this a green light for vigilantism??
/'cause I gots ideas...
 
2013-01-25 11:17:52 PM  

xria: Wanebo: Ever call 911 in Milwaukee? Car theives could easily be in Chicago before the police will get there. There was a report of someone last year calling in a burglary in progress and the police took over 2 DAYS to respond. Yes. Days.

David Clark telling people that they are working with the sherrifs department and that citizens might want to consider taking a certified responsible firearms handling course is not only justified and smart, it's thye exact opposite of "dumbass".

Sure, if you basically decide you live in a 3rd world country that can't afford to maintain proper law and order.


Please name the first world nation where the cops are always right there at your door when someone attacks you. Or that has a zero violent crime rate. Provide citations.
 
2013-01-25 11:17:57 PM  

ArkAngel: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: ArkAngel: I heard this this morning. It struck me as very interesting and my first thought was that it was not only a strike out in favor of CC and gun safety, but also a passive-aggressive move towards increasing funding for the MSD.

You've figured it out.

It's notoriously impossible to fire police chiefs, but since this guy has now publicly admitted incompetence that threatens life and public order, they might have a chance.

Can't be fired. He's not Chief of Police (that's Ed Flynn). He's the Sheriff, an elected position. And he's pretty popular.


Because people like a "tough on crime" (he's really not. MCSO is a joke) farking moron as county sheriff, apparently.

Seriously. THE UW-MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROCESSES MORE CRIMINALS.

What? Yes. The police department for Milwaukee's university of 30,000 students. Seriously. Let me say that again.

THE UW-MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROCESSES MORE CRIMINALS.

The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office is a disgusting waste of space. Disband them and contract out the few roles they have to able and willing municipal police departments. They have no business existing in a 100% incorporated county.
 
2013-01-25 11:21:07 PM  

GUTSU: FarkinDaffy: Lived in MIlwaukee many years, and Wisconsin the rest. The problem with 911 is that they have to respond to all calls no matter what the call was about.

This ties up resources constantly and takes them away from the real issues. Is MPD unstaffed? Sure, has been for quite a few years.

Everyone keep cutting back not wanting to pay taxes and you end up in this situation. It didn't take months, it took years to get to this poing.

In 2004 SCOTUS ruled that the police don't have an obligation to help an individual, only society as a whole.


Took too damn long for this.

CSS: Couple years ago, I was home alone with the kids and someone started going around, banging on all my windows. At the time, we lived in a duplex and the folks in the other half were drug dealers and jackasses. So I had reason to be worried. Called 911, sent the kids to their windowless room, and got down the .45. Sat down to wait. TWENTY-NINE minutes later, cops finally showed up. And announced their presence, naturally, by banging on my farking bedroom window instead of knocking on the door. If I was a little jumpier, it would have turned out bad for us both.

BTW, the police substation was a whopping 5 miles away. And given the neighborhood, there are always a lot of patrols. And it still took them half an hour.
 
2013-01-25 11:27:18 PM  
Get up and get get get down...

Milwaukee sheriff probably thinks do-it-yourself justice applies to white folks. If somebody less than white tried to take matters into their own hands, it'd be all SWAT in a hurry.

By the way, what are the stats on gun-ownership and 2nd amendment paranoia by race?
 
2013-01-25 11:29:33 PM  

CmndrFish: ArkAngel: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: ArkAngel: I heard this this morning. It struck me as very interesting and my first thought was that it was not only a strike out in favor of CC and gun safety, but also a passive-aggressive move towards increasing funding for the MSD.

You've figured it out.

It's notoriously impossible to fire police chiefs, but since this guy has now publicly admitted incompetence that threatens life and public order, they might have a chance.

Can't be fired. He's not Chief of Police (that's Ed Flynn). He's the Sheriff, an elected position. And he's pretty popular.

Because people like a "tough on crime" (he's really not. MCSO is a joke) farking moron as county sheriff, apparently.

Seriously. THE UW-MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROCESSES MORE CRIMINALS.

What? Yes. The police department for Milwaukee's university of 30,000 students. Seriously. Let me say that again.

THE UW-MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROCESSES MORE CRIMINALS.

The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office is a disgusting waste of space. Disband them and contract out the few roles they have to able and willing municipal police departments. They have no business existing in a 100% incorporated county.

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Holy shiat!! Am I wasted or is this the most confusing post I have seen in 10 years at Fark.
 
2013-01-25 11:38:07 PM  
Csb time: I was once at a Brewers game where sheriff's deputy cuffed and hauled off the beer man. While I was trying to order.

/asked deputy if he could pour me one
//it's Milwaukee, they should be trained for these emergencies.
 
2013-01-25 11:40:05 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: feckingmorons: I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.

do they send a memo out with slogans and talking points?


No, it is a magazine, it comes every month. You should see the news articles about how armed citizens saved their lives by safely using a gun against armed criminals.

I'll happily get you a subscription to American Rifleman. EIP.
 
2013-01-25 11:41:50 PM  

deadsanta: Well then, time to fire that entire PD and 911 center and find someone will do their job. Maybe a neighboring county has a department with it's shiat together and would take over the policing duties for a suitable fee?


I think that is the problem. Money does not grow on trees. The city is in much worse shape than the county when it comes to police response times. That is one of the reasons the state is drawing a hard line on overly generous pension benefits to public employees. They spend more taxpayer money on former employees than current employees.
 
2013-01-25 11:45:34 PM  

Boojum2k: Be prepared to protect yourself, because the police probably won't be there to save you. What is so Goddamned controversial about that?


My thoughts exactly. Then again I might have some what of a bias since I'm in law enforcement and have seen the end result of violent crimes after the fact. Wish this wasn't the case but it's not like we can read criminals minds and be there before they commit the crime. Such a small percentage is this the case where we can stop it before it happens compared to dealing with sobbing broken victims that if they are lucky will only have to deal with the mental trauma for the rest of their lives.
 
2013-01-25 11:48:06 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: ArkAngel: I heard this this morning. It struck me as very interesting and my first thought was that it was not only a strike out in favor of CC and gun safety, but also a passive-aggressive move towards increasing funding for the MSD.

You've figured it out.

It's notoriously impossible to fire police chiefs, but since this guy has now publicly admitted incompetence that threatens life and public order, they might have a chance.


Speaking of incompetence. He is not a police chief, he is a sheriff. He is not appointed to the position, he is elected. The people want a sheriff who won't bullshiat them. They people want a sheriff who won't sugarcoat the truth. The people want a sheriff that won't get in the way of their right to defend themselves from criminals.

He was appointed by a Republican governor (he is himself a Democrat) to fill a vacancy and had been re-elected since 2002. The people know what they want, it is Sheriff Clarke.
 
2013-01-25 11:49:33 PM  
The cops are not there to protect you.
A gun in the hand is worth 2 cops on the phone.

/Annnnnnnnd goodnight folks!
 
2013-01-25 11:49:39 PM  

hideous: don't call 911, fend for yourself, basically. Which is fine, but then we need to talk about me not paying the portion of taxes that fund the police, since that is a service no longer being offered, right?


OK, your cut is probably 30 bucks. I'll send you a check.
 
2013-01-25 11:50:23 PM  

KarmicDisaster: You just need to build more police stations in the crime areas.


And have midnight basketball
 
2013-01-25 11:51:29 PM  

Jake Steed: CmndrFish: ArkAngel: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: ArkAngel: I heard this this morning. It struck me as very interesting and my first thought was that it was not only a strike out in favor of CC and gun safety, but also a passive-aggressive move towards increasing funding for the MSD.

You've figured it out.

It's notoriously impossible to fire police chiefs, but since this guy has now publicly admitted incompetence that threatens life and public order, they might have a chance.

Can't be fired. He's not Chief of Police (that's Ed Flynn). He's the Sheriff, an elected position. And he's pretty popular.

Because people like a "tough on crime" (he's really not. MCSO is a joke) farking moron as county sheriff, apparently.

Seriously. THE UW-MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROCESSES MORE CRIMINALS.

What? Yes. The police department for Milwaukee's university of 30,000 students. Seriously. Let me say that again.

THE UW-MILWAUKEE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROCESSES MORE CRIMINALS.

The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office is a disgusting waste of space. Disband them and contract out the few roles they have to able and willing municipal police departments. They have no business existing in a 100% incorporated county.
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Holy shiat!! Am I wasted or is this the most confusing post I have seen in 10 years at Fark.


Must be drunk...its not even the most confusing one I've seen this week...

/ still made me got "wtf is this I don't even"
 
2013-01-25 11:52:31 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Your entire country has gone completely batshiat farking insane.

You do realise this by now, don't you?


we stole it from your country, wanker
 
2013-01-25 11:56:06 PM  
This Sheriff's admission that police officers are unable to instantaneously transport themselves to the locations of emergency calls via Star Trek-based technology is proof that he is incompetent and that he should be fired and replaced with a Sheriff who is prepared to guarantee that police will always arrive to stop reported crimes in progress.
 
2013-01-25 11:57:35 PM  
As the saying goes.

Gun control is a woman who was murdered in an alley feeling morally superior to a woman explaining why she had to defend herself to the police using lethal force.

This example is no different and we are getting the usual BS from people crying that you shouldn't defend yourself.
 
2013-01-26 12:03:05 AM  

Boojum2k: xria: Wanebo: Ever call 911 in Milwaukee? Car theives could easily be in Chicago before the police will get there. There was a report of someone last year calling in a burglary in progress and the police took over 2 DAYS to respond. Yes. Days.

David Clark telling people that they are working with the sherrifs department and that citizens might want to consider taking a certified responsible firearms handling course is not only justified and smart, it's thye exact opposite of "dumbass".

Sure, if you basically decide you live in a 3rd world country that can't afford to maintain proper law and order.

Please name the first world nation where the cops are always right there at your door when someone attacks you. Or that has a zero violent crime rate. Provide citations.


Perhaps xria is stating only that in proper, civilized societies, citizens politely allow criminals to commit violent crimes without engaging in any defensive behaviour that may cause undue harm to the criminal.
 
2013-01-26 12:05:23 AM  

CmndrFish: The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office is a disgusting waste of space. Disband them and contract out the few roles they have to able and willing municipal police departments. They have no business existing in a 100% incorporated county.


Your grasp of state law is astounding. Removing a Constitution Officer is actually impossible. The police departments can go away, but the Sheriff's Office must remain as it is required by law.

Perhaps with a no-nonsense sheriff like Sheriff Clark running the whole county you'd be better off.
 
2013-01-26 12:08:09 AM  

Jake Steed: Home protection is pretty much common sense and your responsibility. I won't go to slaughter like a lamb, unlike these libs.

2 animals broke into their home, tied up the family in the basement and slit their daughters throats in front of them and let the couple watch the daughters cough and struggle and then ultimately drown in their own blood. My Norinco Mak 90 assures this will never occur in my home. It is my responsibility to protect my family and I won't fail like this lib.

Harvey murders


your internet tough guy penis is many feet long, Kimosabe. i pity the family, co-workers and neighbors that have to be around the likes of you.
 
2013-01-26 12:14:14 AM  
Very interesting story. As a resident of Greenfield, I'm a bit shocked. Crime isn't a major concern of mine though it has been on my mind more given the recent economics. Being a suburb of Milwaukee I've been amazed by the police response time - it's been rather quick. In the last year I needed to call twice. The first being suspected credit card theft and the second being suspected intrusion (or squatting) in our neighbor's foreclosed house. Turned out a neighbor's friend with out of state plates thought it would be a good place to park his car. Police responded within 10-20 minutes.
 
2013-01-26 12:15:39 AM  

GUTSU: In 2004 SCOTUS ruled that the police don't have an obligation to help an individual, only society as a whole.


That's nice. Now tell us how the individual officers on the street feel versus desk bound administrators who have to deal with lawsuits. I think you'll find a differing opinion.
 
2013-01-26 12:16:17 AM  

Dimensio: Boojum2k: xria: Wanebo: Ever call 911 in Milwaukee? Car theives could easily be in Chicago before the police will get there. There was a report of someone last year calling in a burglary in progress and the police took over 2 DAYS to respond. Yes. Days.

David Clark telling people that they are working with the sherrifs department and that citizens might want to consider taking a certified responsible firearms handling course is not only justified and smart, it's thye exact opposite of "dumbass".

Sure, if you basically decide you live in a 3rd world country that can't afford to maintain proper law and order.

Please name the first world nation where the cops are always right there at your door when someone attacks you. Or that has a zero violent crime rate. Provide citations.

Perhaps xria is stating only that in proper, civilized societies, citizens politely allow criminals to commit violent crimes without engaging in any defensive behaviour that may cause undue harm to the criminal.


That is usually how "proper law and order" gets defined by folks like that, isn't it? "Be a good serf, don't cause trouble, be glad we haven't reinstituted droit de seigneur. Yet"
 
2013-01-26 12:22:37 AM  

Boojum2k: Be prepared to protect yourself, because the police probably won't be there to save you. What is so Goddamned controversial about that?


It implies that government isn't infallible and doesn't have magical powers, and this is fark.
 
2013-01-26 12:22:58 AM  
Lots of sound and fury over some cop stating the obvious.

Should we also fire up the outrage machine when a fire chief tells us to learn fire safety and know how to put small ones out before they consume the house? I feel like the website is slowly being taken over by Consumerist commenters. Seriously, grow a pair.
 
2013-01-26 12:25:25 AM  

super_grass: Should we also fire up the outrage machine when a fire chief tells us to learn fire safety and know how to put small ones out before they consume the house?


If we want to ban fire extinguishers, we don't have much choice.
 
2013-01-26 12:27:07 AM  

super_grass: Lots of sound and fury over some cop stating the obvious.

Should we also fire up the outrage machine when a fire chief tells us to learn fire safety and know how to put small ones out before they consume the house? I feel like the website is slowly being taken over by Consumerist commenters. Seriously, grow a pair.


There's a difference between saying "Hey, if someone breaks into your house, defend yourself" and "Hey, take the law into your own hands because we can't protect you." One is encouraging responsible citizenship. The other is encouraging vigilante justice and inferring he's a miserable manager of his department.

MOST sane, rational people don't consider it worth someone's life if they run off with your Pink Lawn Flamingo.
 
2013-01-26 12:27:33 AM  
Oddly enough, most of the violent crime committed in Wisconsin occurs in one county: Milwaukee County. And Milwaukee County is the same place that gave us Scott Walker. Metro Milwaukee, your source for derp, poverty, and crime.
 
2013-01-26 12:27:44 AM  
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2013-01-26 12:27:52 AM  

super_grass: Lots of sound and fury over some cop stating the obvious.

Should we also fire up the outrage machine when a fire chief tells us to learn fire safety and know how to put small ones out before they consume the house? I feel like the website is slowly being taken over by Consumerist commenters. Seriously, grow a pair.


More than one Fark commentator has claimed that using deadly force against a violent attacker constitutes "murder". One explicitly stated that causing death to an attempted rapist is "murder". Many individuals are evidently irrational and stupid.
 
2013-01-26 12:29:33 AM  

Dimensio: More than one Fark commentator has claimed that using deadly force against a violent attacker constitutes "murder". One explicitly stated that causing death to an attempted rapist is "murder". Many individuals are evidently irrational and stupid.


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Or is this turning into a Trayvon Martin "We only have one side of the story" thread? I'm pretty sure no one has said shooting an "attempted rapist" during the attack is murder. After the attack when you're in no danger and he's out in your front yard, yeah. They might have some problems with that in some states.
 
2013-01-26 12:30:12 AM  

super_grass: Lots of sound and fury over some cop stating the obvious.

Should we also fire up the outrage machine when a fire chief tells us to learn fire safety and know how to put small ones out before they consume the house? I feel like the website is slowly being taken over by Consumerist commenters. Seriously, grow a pair.


Fantastic analogy.

Here's a question for those who don't like what he said: What is the JOB of the sheriff? To protect the people you say? Okay, and how are we going to MEASURE that? Violent crime rate? Sounds good. And if this action lowers the violent crime rate because criminals know that the residents of that county are better armed than those of the neighboring county? Certainly looks like he's doing his job by the agreed upon measure. Yay strawman.
 
2013-01-26 12:34:34 AM  

BronyMedic: super_grass: Lots of sound and fury over some cop stating the obvious.

Should we also fire up the outrage machine when a fire chief tells us to learn fire safety and know how to put small ones out before they consume the house? I feel like the website is slowly being taken over by Consumerist commenters. Seriously, grow a pair.

There's a difference between saying "Hey, if someone breaks into your house, defend yourself" and "Hey, take the law into your own hands because we can't protect you." One is encouraging responsible citizenship. The other is encouraging vigilante justice and inferring he's a miserable manager of his department.


Would that be the difference between "you should defend yourself on your own if the police isn't there" and "If the police isn't there, you should defend yourself on your own"?


MOST sane, rational people don't consider it worth someone's life if they run off with your Pink Lawn Flamingo.


Most people in this thread aren't mentioning anything like that, with the outlier being you of course.
 
2013-01-26 12:35:47 AM  

jweber26: Very interesting story. As a resident of Greenfield, I'm a bit shocked. Crime isn't a major concern of mine though it has been on my mind more given the recent economics. Being a suburb of Milwaukee I've been amazed by the police response time - it's been rather quick. In the last year I needed to call twice. The first being suspected credit card theft and the second being suspected intrusion (or squatting) in our neighbor's foreclosed house. Turned out a neighbor's friend with out of state plates thought it would be a good place to park his car. Police responded within 10-20 minutes.


That's pretty good response time... for a financial crime and a merely suspicious circumstance. I'm surprised they came at all for the credit card.  Many PDs would tell you to come to the station to file a report.

But 10-20 minutes seems a lot longer when someone is kicking down your front door.
 
2013-01-26 12:36:11 AM  
You know, people use 911 for more than just situations where someone needs to be shot.
 
2013-01-26 12:38:41 AM  

poorjon: BarkingUnicorn: What's "the job?" Preventing crime or showing up after a crime to track down the criminal?

What's "enough to do the job?" One cop per crime to be solved? A 24/7 cop at every home?

And if they were made of straw, it would represent huge savings toward the tax payer.


Plus you save money by recycling those straw men while arguing about both gun control and violence reduction.
 
2013-01-26 12:41:04 AM  

cryinoutloud: You know, people use 911 for more than just situations where someone needs to be shot.


Your point being?

The sheriff was discussing citizens' options when faced with violent attack in their homes.  He didn't tell anyone not to all 911.
 
2013-01-26 12:41:32 AM  

super_grass: Would that be the difference between "you should defend yourself on your own if the police isn't there" and "If the police isn't there, you should defend yourself on your own"?


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Sure, let's go this route. So we can all agree that if someone has broken into your house, it's safe to assume your life is in immediate danger, and shooting the asshole doing it is pretty kosher, right?

How long until some wannabe rent-a-cop decides to patrol the neighborhood in his own vehicle, since the "police can't protect them", and shoot a few people for the crime of loitering while black? Or someone decides to take the law into their own hands because someone decided to trespass on their property?

The point being, it's pretty damn irresponsible as a law officer to tell people to go take the law into their own hands, versus protecting themselves in immediate danger.

super_grass: Most people in this thread aren't mentioning anything like that, with the outlier being you of course.


I was being sarcastic at the fact many people on FARK seem to think simple property theft is a reason for someone's life to be forfeit (particularly Texans, which have glitchy laws that can allow it in some situations), but the reason I mention it is that I've lived through one of these periods. In 2008, Willie Herrington went on the local news and said the Memphis Police were unable to protect people, and that they should be ready to "Take the law into their own hands".
 
2013-01-26 12:46:37 AM  
Fark, where posters hate guns, and hate cops, but love cops when the talk is about citizens with guns.
 
2013-01-26 12:47:51 AM  

BronyMedic: How long until some wannabe rent-a-cop decides to patrol the neighborhood in his own vehicle, since the "police can't protect them", and shoot a few people for the crime of loitering while black? Or someone decides to take the law into their own hands because someone decided to trespass on their property?


Or sells heroin on the corner, or rapes some children. Since the sheriff didn't tell anyone to do that either.

It would be irresponsible for a sheriff to tell people to go vigilante all over the neighborhood. I imagine that's why he didn't do that. No matter how much you wanted him to.
 
2013-01-26 12:50:00 AM  

BronyMedic: The point being, it's pretty damn irresponsible as a law officer to tell people to go take the law into their own hands, versus protecting themselves in immediate danger.


This sheriff talked ONLY about protecting yourself when in immediate danger.

In 2008, Willie Herrington went on the local news and said the Memphis Police were unable to protect people, and that they should be ready to "Take the law into their own hands".

Shrug.  That's the same thing this sheriff said.  Are you omitting something that Herrington said?  Did he tell people to patrol the streets and beat up pink flamingo thieves?
 
2013-01-26 12:50:19 AM  

BronyMedic: Now tell us how the individual officers on the street feel versus desk bound administrators


They want to crack skulls, kill dogs and pepper spray protesters?

Maybe solicit sex from a minor every once in a while?
 
2013-01-26 12:51:35 AM  

paygun: Or sells heroin on the corner, or rapes some children. Since the sheriff didn't tell anyone to do that either.

It would be irresponsible for a sheriff to tell people to go vigilante all over the neighborhood. I imagine that's why he didn't do that. No matter how much you wanted him to.


Hey, those are nice Strawmen. I'm sure you can keep the field free of crows with them.

At any rate, the point is being purposefully vague to promote a political agenda, and telling people "911 won't protect you" without being more specific isn't a responsible thing to do.
 
2013-01-26 12:51:58 AM  
For those advocating 9-1-1 as the panacea, what was the response time at Sandy Hook?
 
2013-01-26 12:52:19 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Suckmaster Burstingfoam:

It's notoriously impossible to fire police chiefs, but since this guy has now publicly admitted incompetence that threatens life and public order, they might have a chance.

He's a sheriff, an elected official.  Who can fire him?

"Threatens life and public order," my ass.  He didn't advise citizens to mount their own vigilante street patrols.  He advised them to be prepared to protect themselves in their own homes.


TFA indicates he's also advocating a gun training course he's tied to.
 
2013-01-26 12:54:25 AM  

Giltric: BronyMedic: Now tell us how the individual officers on the street feel versus desk bound administrators

They want to crack skulls, kill dogs and pepper spray protesters?

Maybe solicit sex from a minor every once in a while?


Yes. We know. We go over it every thread. All pigs are corrupt, violent, power-hungry people who only use their badge to oppress you and occasionally rape and murder someone to masturbate over it later.
 
2013-01-26 12:54:32 AM  

BronyMedic: At any rate, the point is being purposefully vague to promote a political agenda, and telling people "911 won't protect you" without being more specific isn't a responsible thing to do.


I remember when Obama was praised for speaking to the American people as if they were adults. Funny how in this case that's a bad thing.
 
2013-01-26 12:56:27 AM  

paygun: I remember when Obama was praised for speaking to the American people as if they were adults. Funny how in this case that's a bad thing.


I don't remember when Obama told people to arm themselves and take the law into their own hands, and then tried to sell them a gun training course he has financial ties to.

FTFA:  "To issue a blanket statement that people should be out there, arming up, and taking care of safety matters that really law enforcement officials are trained to do, is just irresponsible," said Bonavia.
The office of Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett said in a statement: "Apparently Sheriff David Clark (sp) is auditioning for the next Dirty Harry movie."
 When the Mayor's office publicly ridicules you, you're doing it wrong.
 
2013-01-26 12:56:54 AM  

BronyMedic: paygun: Or sells heroin on the corner, or rapes some children. Since the sheriff didn't tell anyone to do that either.

It would be irresponsible for a sheriff to tell people to go vigilante all over the neighborhood. I imagine that's why he didn't do that. No matter how much you wanted him to.

Hey, those are nice Strawmen. I'm sure you can keep the field free of crows with them.

At any rate, the point is being purposefully vague to promote a political agenda, and telling people "911 won't protect you" without being more specific isn't a responsible thing to do.


Put down the stuffed animal for a minute and RTFA, fer crissake.

"You could beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back.  But are you prepared?"

He goes on to say, "You have a duty to protect yourself and your family. We're partners now. Can I count on you?"

Specific enough for you?
 
2013-01-26 12:57:46 AM  

BronyMedic: Yes. We know. We go over it every thread. All pigs are corrupt, violent, power-hungry people who only use their badge to oppress you and occasionally rape and murder someone to masturbate over it later.


When they're not too busy irresponsibly telling people that they don't have magical powers. If the laws of physics are at odds with your politics, maybe it's time to rethink a few things.
 
2013-01-26 12:58:46 AM  
We live in a large suburban county. Should I dial 911, I would guess the absolute best-case response time is 3-5 minutes, depending on how close the nearest available deputy is. Worst case is something more along the lines of 10-15 minutes. Should someone break into my home, what exactly am I supposed to do for those very, very long 3-15 minutes before the police arrive? Absent installing a very expensive panic room, a well-secured but easily accessible gun in a household where the adults have had proper firearm training and substantial range time seems the most effective means of keeping everyone safe.

For those who disagree with the Sheriff, what is the plan after you call 911?
 
2013-01-26 12:59:15 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Put down the stuffed animal for a minute and RTFA, fer crissake.

"You could beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back.  But are you prepared?"

He goes on to say, "You have a duty to protect yourself and your family. We're partners now. Can I count on you?"

Specific enough for you?


I did RTFA. And I agree with the mayor who was quoted in there. You know, the one he blatantly attacked and blamed him for being a victim of a violent attack for?
 
2013-01-26 01:00:03 AM  

BronyMedic: I don't remember when Obama told people to arm themselves and take the law into their own hands, and then tried to sell them a gun training course he has financial ties to.


Who would be better to teach a course like that? Private citizens with guns are immoral vigilantes.
 
2013-01-26 01:01:03 AM  

paygun: When they're not too busy irresponsibly telling people that they don't have magical powers. If the laws of physics are at odds with your politics, maybe it's time to rethink a few things.


There's a difference in saying "We can't protect you, 911 doesn't work, arm yourself and be ready" and saying "It takes the cops x-amount of time to get there when you call. if someone breaks into your house or is attacking you, it's pretty advisable to defend yourself any way you can."

If you can't, or are too willfully stupid to see the difference between it, I think I might have found your picture.
 
2013-01-26 01:02:14 AM  

swfan: Should someone break into my home, what exactly am I supposed to do for those very, very long 3-15 minutes before the police arrive?


Die in a pool of your own blood. Defending yourself is uncivilized, and someone could get hurt. Also, that's the government's job.
 
2013-01-26 01:02:20 AM  

paygun: Who would be better to teach a course like that? Private citizens with guns are immoral vigilantes.


You just lost the right to be taken seriously. You seriously don't see an issue with conflict of interest in Government?
 
2013-01-26 01:04:08 AM  
Sheriff Clarke is one of the few things good about Milwaukee.  He's known as controversial sometimes.... but that's only because he will speak the truth instead of utilizing politician-eze.  Living in Milwaukee is like living in a mini version of Chicago.  There are shootings every night.  Carjackings, home invasions and robberies are common.  Right now you couldn't pay me enough to live there.  But Clarke is slowly chipping away at all of the crime, drugs and corruption.  Maybe some day it will be tolerable.
 
2013-01-26 01:04:18 AM  

PsiChick: BarkingUnicorn: Suckmaster Burstingfoam:

It's notoriously impossible to fire police chiefs, but since this guy has now publicly admitted incompetence that threatens life and public order, they might have a chance.

He's a sheriff, an elected official.  Who can fire him?

"Threatens life and public order," my ass.  He didn't advise citizens to mount their own vigilante street patrols.  He advised them to be prepared to protect themselves in their own homes.

TFA indicates he's also advocating a gun training course he's tied to.


Stop making shiat up.  TFA quotes an instructor and names a training group, but doesn't "indicate" the sheriff has any connection to them.  The recording of his PSA recommends firearms training, but doesn't mention any training provider.
 
2013-01-26 01:04:44 AM  

BronyMedic: There's a difference in saying "We can't protect you, 911 doesn't work, arm yourself and be ready" and saying "It takes the cops x-amount of time to get there when you call. if someone breaks into your house or is attacking you, it's pretty advisable to defend yourself any way you can."


The only difference I've seen so far is the words you put in his mouth. He simply didn't say what you've claimed.
 
2013-01-26 01:04:47 AM  

BronyMedic: paygun: Or sells heroin on the corner, or rapes some children. Since the sheriff didn't tell anyone to do that either.

It would be irresponsible for a sheriff to tell people to go vigilante all over the neighborhood. I imagine that's why he didn't do that. No matter how much you wanted him to.

Hey, those are nice Strawmen. I'm sure you can keep the field free of crows with them.

At any rate, the point is being purposefully vague to promote a political agenda, and telling people "911 won't protect you" without being more specific isn't a responsible thing to do.


But he didn't say that. Did you actually listen to the PSA?
 
2013-01-26 01:05:41 AM  
As a LEO, i can say this has merit. It takes minutes to find your address, i don't have a encyclopedic memory and knowledge of every farking address in the USA, and it takes time to get there, and find the house / business. It may be in a area i've never been in before. And frankly, I'm not your personal bodyguard, i get called, i get there as fast as safely possible, and deal with what is happening, or in 99 percent of incidents, already happened and over by the time i get there. It's not my job to camp on your driveway and wait for something to happen to you, I can't be everywhere at once. So yes, it makes sense that you have some training / plan /way to defend your home / business / family. I am a reactionary asset of the local government, not your personal bodyguard. Learn how to protect yourself and yours if you care enough to do that, or just be a victim and cry "why aren't the police protecting us?
 
2013-01-26 01:06:04 AM  

BronyMedic: You just lost the right to be taken seriously. You seriously don't see an issue with conflict of interest in Government?


Beaten to it:

BarkingUnicorn: Stop making shiat up.  TFA quotes an instructor and names a training group, but doesn't "indicate" the sheriff has any connection to them.  The recording of his PSA recommends firearms training, but doesn't mention any training provider.

 
2013-01-26 01:07:08 AM  

feckingmorons:
Perhaps with a no-nonsense sheriff like Sheriff Clark running the whole county you'd be better off.


You're kidding me, right? What exactly does Clarke do besides hold press conferences, make snide remarks, and fellate Milwaukee talk show hosts? What does his department do besides run speedtraps on the freeways?

Milwaukee County already finishes next to last in most social, economic, and health measures (it barely beats out an Indian reservation that finishes dead last); and that's after another "no-nonsense" politician (Scott Walker) ran it. David Clarke is an utter joke of a human being.
 
2013-01-26 01:07:32 AM  
The best part is that MCSO covers the highways, parks and the airport. If someone is breaking into your house, deputies won't be handling it anyways.
Clark has no filter between brain and mouth; he is usually batshiat crazy, but always entertaining. That being said, as a black republican, he will always get re-elected; the inner city residents will always vote for him because he's black, and the white suburbanites will always vote for him because he says stupid Internet tough-guy stuff like this.
 
2013-01-26 01:07:51 AM  

paygun: The only difference I've seen so far is the words you put in his mouth. He simply didn't say what you've claimed.


FTFA, His EXACT WORDS:With officers laid off and furloughed, simply calling 911 and waiting is no longer your best option.You could beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back.But are you prepared?"

How am I putting words in his mouth. That's the exact thing he said. "We can't protect you. If you don't take matters into your own hands, you're already dead. And it's because they won't let me hire more people, wink wink, so you know WHO to blame."

Like I said. Difference between telling people to protect their homes, and telling them the police can't protect them.
 
2013-01-26 01:08:53 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: The best part is that MCSO covers the highways, parks and the airport. If someone is breaking into your house, deputies won't be handling it anyways.


Oh, shiat. Really? Interesting why he'd be putting out those PSAs then.
 
2013-01-26 01:09:20 AM  

BronyMedic: BarkingUnicorn: Put down the stuffed animal for a minute and RTFA, fer crissake.

"You could beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back.  But are you prepared?"

He goes on to say, "You have a duty to protect yourself and your family. We're partners now. Can I count on you?"

Specific enough for you?

I did RTFA. And I agree with the mayor who was quoted in there. You know, the one he blatantly attacked and blamed him for being a victim of a violent attack for?


I don't really understand why you have the opinion you do. I was an EMT-P before I became an RN. I saw crime victims all the time in the ER. I never saw one that said "I am glad I didn't injure the criminal."

People want to be able to protect themselves and their families. I see this as the sheriff saying "It takes us a few minutes to get there so if you want to be prepared with a gun learn how to use it safely and let us know when you call 911 that you're the victim and armed." I see it as the sheriff partnering with the community, not the sheriff telling them to go it alone.
 
2013-01-26 01:09:27 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: As a LEO, i can say this has merit. It takes minutes to find your address, i don't have a encyclopedic memory and knowledge of every farking address in the USA, and it takes time to get there, and find the house / business. It may be in a area i've never been in before. And frankly, I'm not your personal bodyguard, i get called, i get there as fast as safely possible, and deal with what is happening, or in 99 percent of incidents, already happened and over by the time i get there. It's not my job to camp on your driveway and wait for something to happen to you, I can't be everywhere at once. So yes, it makes sense that you have some training / plan /way to defend your home / business / family. I am a reactionary asset of the local government, not your personal bodyguard. Learn how to protect yourself and yours if you care enough to do that, or just be a victim and cry "why aren't the police protecting us?


So what I'm hearing here is that I need to put lights on my car and drive around the neighborhood dispensing brutal justice with my .38, right?
 
2013-01-26 01:11:15 AM  

cmb53208: feckingmorons:
Perhaps with a no-nonsense sheriff like Sheriff Clark running the whole county you'd be better off.

You're kidding me, right? What exactly does Clarke do besides hold press conferences, make snide remarks, and fellate Milwaukee talk show hosts? What does his department do besides run speedtraps on the freeways?

Milwaukee County already finishes next to last in most social, economic, and health measures (it barely beats out an Indian reservation that finishes dead last); and that's after another "no-nonsense" politician (Scott Walker) ran it. David Clarke is an utter joke of a human being.


But you want his deputies there quicker when you call?
 
2013-01-26 01:12:28 AM  

BronyMedic: That's the exact thing he said. "We can't protect you. If you don't take matters into your own hands, you're already dead. And it's because they won't let me hire more people, wink wink, so you know WHO to blame."


Yeah, that part right there. That's the part he didn't say. That's your interpretation of what he said, to fit your politics.
 
2013-01-26 01:12:29 AM  

BronyMedic: Milo Minderbinder: The best part is that MCSO covers the highways, parks and the airport. If someone is breaking into your house, deputies won't be handling it anyways.

Oh, shiat. Really? Interesting why he'd be putting out those PSAs then.


Because he just wants attention; that's all this is about. It's not about public policy or safety at all.
 
2013-01-26 01:14:11 AM  

BronyMedic: Milo Minderbinder: The best part is that MCSO covers the highways, parks and the airport. If someone is breaking into your house, deputies won't be handling it anyways.

Oh, shiat. Really? Interesting why he'd be putting out those PSAs then.


Yup, the entirety of Milwaukee County is incorporated, and each city/village has their own PD
 
2013-01-26 01:14:50 AM  
In a shiathole like Milwaukee he just might be right.
 
2013-01-26 01:15:47 AM  

BronyMedic: BarkingUnicorn: Put down the stuffed animal for a minute and RTFA, fer crissake.

"You could beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back.  But are you prepared?"

He goes on to say, "You have a duty to protect yourself and your family. We're partners now. Can I count on you?"

Specific enough for you?

I did RTFA. And I agree with the mayor who was quoted in there. You know, the one he blatantly attacked and blamed him for being a victim of a violent attack for?


The office of Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett said in a statement: "Apparently Sheriff David Clark (sp) is auditioning for the next Dirty Harry movie."

The mayor and you are delusional.  The sheriff essentially told everyone that Dirty Harry doesn't exist.  I don't recall Harry ever telling citizens to protect themselves because he couldn't be everywhere all the time.
 
2013-01-26 01:16:15 AM  

feckingmorons: I don't really understand why you have the opinion you do. I was an EMT-P before I became an RN. I saw crime victims all the time in the ER. I never saw one that said "I am glad I didn't injure the criminal."


I'm sorry. What does this have to do with anything? I'll answer that question for you: Nothing. It's the same knee-jerk, reactionary bullshiat that has been going on for the past year now in light of every. single. shooting. that has occured. No one is saying "If someone is trying to rape you, beat you, or corner you in your house" to NOT defend yourself. Absolutely no one that I have seen in this thread.  What I said was perhaps we should re-evaluate our society when we find that lawn furniture is worth shooting someone in the back for. (Thank you, Texas.)

I have the opinion that being purposely vague to serve a political agenda that panders to every idiot that thinks Obama is going to march in and personally take their guns before raping their dog is irresponsible, especially from a SHERIFF.

What I addressed in the post you responded to was this shameful trend of right-wing nutjobs continually Blaming the Victim for what happened. If only those teachers had guns, no one would have died at Sandy Hook. If only VTech had Guns, Cho wouldn't have gotten the high score. If only Gabby Giffords had a Mac-10, Laughner wouldn't have shot people. If only Joe Slater, on Holiday from London, in the Aurora Theater had an AT-4 Rocket Launcher, Holmes wouldn't have killed anyone.

So the last part was hyperbole, but it makes the point.

feckingmorons: People want to be able to protect themselves and their families. I see this as the sheriff saying "It takes us a few minutes to get there so if you want to be prepared with a gun learn how to use it safely and let us know when you call 911 that you're the victim and armed." I see it as the sheriff partnering with the community, not the sheriff telling them to go it alone.


And I see it as a county guy in a pissing contest with the City who took most of his jurisdiction saying "They can't protect you until you give me more money to hire officers, so take the law into your own hands if you feel you need to." It would have been rather easy to say "We're not going to be there for x minutes, if you need to defend yourself in an attack do so."

Why the choice of wording, again?
 
2013-01-26 01:17:57 AM  
This sheriff sounds liek a card carrying member of the NRA and he is opening up his department to a hell of alot of scrutiny and potential lawsuits with that statement.
 
2013-01-26 01:19:28 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: The office of Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett said in a statement: "Apparently Sheriff David Clark (sp) is auditioning for the next Dirty Harry movie."

The mayor and you are delusional.  The sheriff essentially told everyone that Dirty Harry doesn't exist.  I don't recall Harry ever telling citizens to protect themselves because he couldn't be everywhere all the time.


paygun: Yeah, that part right there. That's the part he didn't say. That's your interpretation of what he said, to fit your politics.


And you're defending blatant, politically pandering derp that is irresponsible. We've already had people in here tell you what their jurisdiction actually is. If the county is incorporated, all they do are serve warrants and protect small, assigned areas. Oh, and arrest a police chief, if it's anything like Tennessee.
 
2013-01-26 01:19:40 AM  
The other issue is that non-domestic violent crime in Milwaukee is almost entirely centered on be drug trade. If you are getting shot at or robbed, then stop dealing crack. The truly innocent, law-abiding homeowner that is the victim of a home invasion in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity. But that's not what all the small-penised, paranoid gun-stroking fans of Clark want to hear.
 
2013-01-26 01:21:31 AM  

BronyMedic: I have the opinion that being purposely vague to serve a political agenda that panders to every idiot that thinks Obama is going to march in and personally take their guns before raping their dog is irresponsible, especially from a SHERIFF.


That is what Obama wants to do. He just hasn't said that because he's being purposely vague.
 
2013-01-26 01:22:08 AM  

Grave_Girl: GUTSU: FarkinDaffy: Lived in MIlwaukee many years, and Wisconsin the rest. The problem with 911 is that they have to respond to all calls no matter what the call was about.

This ties up resources constantly and takes them away from the real issues. Is MPD unstaffed? Sure, has been for quite a few years.

Everyone keep cutting back not wanting to pay taxes and you end up in this situation. It didn't take months, it took years to get to this poing.

In 2004 SCOTUS ruled that the police don't have an obligation to help an individual, only society as a whole.

Took too damn long for this.

CSS: Couple years ago, I was home alone with the kids and someone started going around, banging on all my windows. At the time, we lived in a duplex and the folks in the other half were drug dealers and jackasses. So I had reason to be worried. Called 911, sent the kids to their windowless room, and got down the .45. Sat down to wait. TWENTY-NINE minutes later, cops finally showed up. And announced their presence, naturally, by banging on my farking bedroom window instead of knocking on the door. If I was a little jumpier, it would have turned out bad for us both.

BTW, the police substation was a whopping 5 miles away. And given the neighborhood, there are always a lot of patrols. And it still took them half an hour.


But nothing bad happened, did it? And you realize that cops don't hang out at the substation waiting for someone to call them; usually substations are empty except for a dispatcher and a couple of secretaries and the watch commander.

Now, I'm not excusing the cops response time at all, but as a former emergency dispatcher, I need to ask you a couple of questions and make a couple of points.

1. How did you make the call? Did you sound calm, alarmed, panicked? Did you advise the police that you were alone in the house with two small children and were AFRAID FOR YOUR LIFE? Did you make it clear that this was an emergency situation and you needed the police immediately?
I'm guessing you did not, because evidently the dispatcher did not keep you on the phone while you were waiting. So here's my first point: If you do not feel the situation is a dire emergency and do not make that clear to the dispatcher, it is not treated as such by them. They get lots of calls about "someone outside the house" every day, and it is up to the CALLER to bump it up to emergency status.

2. You say the house next door was a known drug house. Did you make it clear that YOU were not them? Did you state in your call that you thought the disturbance might be one of their customers trying to get in?
Here's my second point: In a known high-crime area, police will often downgrade calls coming from known trouble spots if they think it's just criminal-on-criminal acts. I'm not saying it's right, but they will unless shots are fired. This sucks for the law-abiding citizens in the area; but it means if that is you, again, YOU need to say very clearly to the 911 operator that you live next door to a crack house and you think some junkie is trying to break in.

3. Did you tell the 911 operator you had a firearm? Did you tell her/him you would be sitting in back waiting for the intruder with that gun? Did you ask to have the cops meet you at the door?
Third point: If you have a weapon, you really should notify the cops BEFORE they get there and not afterwards. Believe me, they're usually more trigger happy than you are. If you're going to be sitting alone in the dark back room with your trusty .45, it's sometimes advisable to let the dispatcher know that in advance (another good reason to stay on the line instead of hanging up) so she can walk the cops in instead of letting everyone start drawing down on each other.

There's a big difference to a 911 operator between "There's someone banging on my walls, I'd like the cops to stop by" and "I need the police here right now, I'm alone with my two children and some maniac is trying to break in." I used to have people call me back in fury when I was a security dispatcher demanding to know why the officers weren't there because the guy was still at their front door and I would be horrified--they hadn't told me the intruder was THERE NOW. The original call had just been "someone knocked on my door a while ago." I'm not saying that's what YOU did, of course, but you might consider that sounding too calm and in control is not always the best way to get the cops to your door in a hurry.
 
2013-01-26 01:22:47 AM  

BronyMedic: And you're defending blatant, politically pandering derp that is irresponsible.


I think your goalposts are purposely vague.
 
2013-01-26 01:23:49 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: The other issue is that non-domestic violent crime in Milwaukee is almost entirely centered on be drug trade. If you are getting shot at or robbed, then stop dealing crack. The truly innocent, law-abiding homeowner that is the victim of a home invasion in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity. But that's not what all the small-penised, paranoid gun-stroking fans of Clark want to hear.


And there we have it, folks. If you are the victim of a violent crime, you are a statistical non-entity.
 
2013-01-26 01:24:39 AM  

paygun: That is what Obama wants to do. He just hasn't said that because he's being purposely vague.


Okay, let's admit it. You keep a copy of the turner diaries with semen-stained pages under your mattress, don't you? You're one of those "Second Amendment Patriots" ready to follow the Nuge into the maw of hell itsself, right?
 
2013-01-26 01:25:41 AM  

BronyMedic: I'm sorry. What does this have to do with anything?


You're the only paramedic or ER doc or nurse that I know who is against people defending themselves, that is what it has to do with it. It just different and I wondered why.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that you shoot someone over a simple larceny. Protect yourself is a lot different than protect the lawn chair.

Do people in Milwaukee city count on their police, or even trust them? Frank Jude springs to mind.
 
2013-01-26 01:26:17 AM  

Boojum2k: Milo Minderbinder: The other issue is that non-domestic violent crime in Milwaukee is almost entirely centered on be drug trade. If you are getting shot at or robbed, then stop dealing crack. The truly innocent, law-abiding homeowner that is the victim of a home invasion in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity. But that's not what all the small-penised, paranoid gun-stroking fans of Clark want to hear.

And there we have it, folks. If you are the victim of a violent crime, you are a statistical non-entity.


I'm pretty sure that's not what he said or inferred in the least.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-26 01:27:19 AM  

Boojum2k: And there we have it, folks. If you are the victim of a violent crime, you are a statistical non-entity.


The idea that people can or should defend themselves has to be put aside somehow if we're going to ban guns.
 
2013-01-26 01:27:28 AM  

BronyMedic: paygun: The only difference I've seen so far is the words you put in his mouth. He simply didn't say what you've claimed.

FTFA, His EXACT WORDS:With officers laid off and furloughed, simply calling 911 and waiting is no longer your best option.You could beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back.But are you prepared?"

How am I putting words in his mouth. That's the exact thing he said. "We can't protect you. If you don't take matters into your own hands, you're already dead. And it's because they won't let me hire more people, wink wink, so you know WHO to blame."

Like I said. Difference between telling people to protect their homes, and telling them the police can't protect them.


More like telling people to protect themselves IN their homes BECAUSE the police can't protect them.

And you're still putting words in his mouth, right underneath what he actually said.  You make a fool of yourself.
 
2013-01-26 01:27:57 AM  

Boojum2k: Milo Minderbinder: The other issue is that non-domestic violent crime in Milwaukee is almost entirely centered on be drug trade. If you are getting shot at or robbed, then stop dealing crack. The truly innocent, law-abiding homeowner that is the victim of a home invasion in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity. But that's not what all the small-penised, paranoid gun-stroking fans of Clark want to hear.

And there we have it, folks. If you are the victim of a violent crime, you are a statistical non-entity.


Are you always retarded, or only on Fark?
 
2013-01-26 01:29:01 AM  

BronyMedic: Okay, let's admit it. You keep a copy of the turner diaries with semen-stained pages under your mattress, don't you? You're one of those "Second Amendment Patriots" ready to follow the Nuge into the maw of hell itsself, right?


Ad hominem is usually where this ends up and here we are.
 
2013-01-26 01:29:32 AM  

feckingmorons: You're the only paramedic or ER doc or nurse that I know who is against people defending themselves, that is what it has to do with it. It just different and I wondered why.


Please quote where I've said I'm against people defending themselves. Because I'm pretty sure I have never said that, ever, in any thread on FARK or anywhere else on the internet period. Considering I keep a nine millimeter Browning Hi-Power loaded with hollow points in my bedside table, I'm pretty sure I believe whole-heartily in self-defense.

I'm against people putting out "PSAs" that turn out to be political, fear-mongering derp, and use vague language.

feckingmorons: I don't think anyone is suggesting that you shoot someone over a simple larceny. Protect yourself is a lot different than protect the lawn chair.

Do people in Milwaukee city count on their police, or even trust them? Frank Jude springs to mind.


 I beg to differ. Next time someone gets shot over larceny and it makes it onto FARK, you'll have plenty of people who will defend that person. Not because their life was in danger, but because "they can't recover that property" (Texas, again, as I mentioned thrice before)
 
2013-01-26 01:29:47 AM  

BronyMedic: Boojum2k: Milo Minderbinder: The other issue is that non-domestic violent crime in Milwaukee is almost entirely centered on be drug trade. If you are getting shot at or robbed, then stop dealing crack. The truly innocent, law-abiding homeowner that is the victim of a home invasion in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity. But that's not what all the small-penised, paranoid gun-stroking fans of Clark want to hear.

And there we have it, folks. If you are the victim of a violent crime, you are a statistical non-entity.

I'm pretty sure that's not what he said or inferred in the least.


Keep raping strawmen all you want, but he said it.
Look, if self-defense bothers you, fine, do not defend yourself. But you have to understand that others are not willing to be just another statistic.
 
2013-01-26 01:31:43 AM  

BronyMedic: Considering I keep a nine millimeter Browning Hi-Power loaded with hollow points in my bedside table, I'm pretty sure I believe whole-heartily in self-defense.


This is spectacular. You even dragged out the gun control equivalent of "I have black friends."
 
2013-01-26 01:32:54 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: Boojum2k: Milo Minderbinder: The other issue is that non-domestic violent crime in Milwaukee is almost entirely centered on be drug trade. If you are getting shot at or robbed, then stop dealing crack. The truly innocent, law-abiding homeowner that is the victim of a home invasion in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity. But that's not what all the small-penised, paranoid gun-stroking fans of Clark want to hear.

And there we have it, folks. If you are the victim of a violent crime, you are a statistical non-entity.

Are you always retarded, or only on Fark?


Own what you said. Even just in the Milwaukee area, any victim of violent crime should just accept their position as a minor statistic, not a person. Its for the greater good.
 
2013-01-26 01:33:27 AM  

Boojum2k: Keep raping strawmen all you want, but he said it.


You really shouldn't lecture people on logical fallacies when you're putting words in other people's mouth. I'm pretty sure he said that you're statistically more likely to be killed by an errant golfball than the victim of a home invasion rape/murder in that city, not that they didn't matter.

Boojum2k: Look, if self-defense bothers you, fine, do not defend yourself. But you have to understand that others are not willing to be just another statistic.


Please quote where I've said true self defense "bothers" me. In any thread on FARK I've posted in the last 3 years in. There's a difference between "Self Defense" and vigilantism.

paygun: Ad hominem is usually where this ends up and here we are.


I told you that you lost the right to be taken seriously when you posted pants-on-head on fire stupidity earlier in the thread.
 
2013-01-26 01:34:31 AM  

Boojum2k: BronyMedic: Boojum2k: Milo Minderbinder: The other issue is that non-domestic violent crime in Milwaukee is almost entirely centered on be drug trade. If you are getting shot at or robbed, then stop dealing crack. The truly innocent, law-abiding homeowner that is the victim of a home invasion in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity. But that's not what all the small-penised, paranoid gun-stroking fans of Clark want to hear.

And there we have it, folks. If you are the victim of a violent crime, you are a statistical non-entity.

I'm pretty sure that's not what he said or inferred in the least.

Keep raping strawmen all you want, but he said it.
Look, if self-defense bothers you, fine, do not defend yourself. But you have to understand that others are not willing to be just another statistic.


You can't be that obtuse. I said the truly innocent violent crime victim in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity. That means while they exist, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of violent crime victims in Milwaukee are engaged in illegal conduct themselves. But that reality does not help gun-strokers' fantasies about saving the prom queen from the Bad Black Guys.
 
2013-01-26 01:35:01 AM  

paygun: BronyMedic: Considering I keep a nine millimeter Browning Hi-Power loaded with hollow points in my bedside table, I'm pretty sure I believe whole-heartily in self-defense.

This is spectacular. You even dragged out the gun control equivalent of "I have black friends."


Then why are you arguing? The guy recommended education and training in self-defense, everything else has been your inference. Go post some pony pics, it'll make you feel better.
 
2013-01-26 01:35:30 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: But that reality does not help gun-strokers' fantasies about saving the prom queen from the Bad Black Guys.


Gun owners are racist aren't they.
 
2013-01-26 01:37:17 AM  

BronyMedic: Milo Minderbinder: The best part is that MCSO covers the highways, parks and the airport. If someone is breaking into your house, deputies won't be handling it anyways.

Oh, shiat. Really? Interesting why he'd be putting out those PSAs then.


Perhaps as a public service?
 
2013-01-26 01:38:17 AM  
I had to call 911 at 3 am once. I am a gun owner but I figured I would give the police this one. Had an angry drunk dude banging on my doors and windows because he was lost and thought my house was his. I rather not deal with a drunk because somebody would end up hurt , and I didnt really know if I should address the problem and have my back up with me. When the lady on 911 said it would be 10 to 15 minutes before they could have somebody over. She then asked me if I had a firearm to protect myself until the officers got there. I was like "I have to pick just one?". I could not believe a public servant was telling me to protect myself. I had been to the range hundreds of times and shot thousands of rounds, but when I picked up my .40 cal that night it felt like it weighed a ton and I was sweating buckets in fear. Guns are cool and all, but dammit my life is gonna be screwed up if I have to shoot this drunk. I went to the door and yelled out " the cops are on the way, and they said if you get in before they get here, I'm to shoot you til the magazine is empty." Not another sound out of the guy and the cops found him drunk and asleep in his car a block away. That night was the scariest of my life. I could feel my bowels starting to let go as I took that pistol out of its hiding place, and put a round into the chamber. I was lucky. For a few days after that I wondered if I could have pulled the trigger if he had gotten in. Finally I decided if it was gonna be me dead or a bad guy dead in the future due to something like that, it was going to be me that lived . Have not had to pull a weapon in anger since then, and not looking forward to either. I will bet though if I do have to in the future I will probably keep myself alive, but have very nasty underwear....
 
2013-01-26 01:38:23 AM  

TheLogicAvenger: Laying down passively and waiting for the authorities to fix the situation died with the airline passengers on 9/11. By all means call 911, but do it for backup dead perp removal.

 
2013-01-26 01:39:31 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Perhaps as a public service?


If he wasn't advocating gun control, he must have nefarious intentions. Get with the program, dude!
 
2013-01-26 01:39:31 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Your entire country has gone completely batshiat farking insane.

You do realise this by now, don't you?


And your country has a violent crime rate that is going through the roof while ours has been falling consistently for years.
 
2013-01-26 01:39:49 AM  

paygun: This is spectacular. You even dragged out the gun control equivalent of "I have black friends."


i.imgur.com

You were saying?

i.imgur.com

Beautiful weapon. Inherited it from my Grandfather. My next purchase is a P99QA. I'll get my CCW with it, The High Power is a full frame, so it sucks for concealment.

i.imgur.com

9mm Winchester Silvertips. No overpenetration, and beautiful mushrooming.

/gun porn thread?
 
2013-01-26 01:40:03 AM  

Boojum2k: paygun: BronyMedic: Considering I keep a nine millimeter Browning Hi-Power loaded with hollow points in my bedside table, I'm pretty sure I believe whole-heartily in self-defense.

This is spectacular. You even dragged out the gun control equivalent of "I have black friends."

Then why are you arguing? The guy recommended education and training in self-defense, everything else has been your inference. Go post some pony pics, it'll make you feel better.


This should make paygun feel much better...

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-26 01:40:21 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: Boojum2k: BronyMedic: Boojum2k: Milo Minderbinder: The other issue is that non-domestic violent crime in Milwaukee is almost entirely centered on be drug trade. If you are getting shot at or robbed, then stop dealing crack. The truly innocent, law-abiding homeowner that is the victim of a home invasion in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity. But that's not what all the small-penised, paranoid gun-stroking fans of Clark want to hear.

And there we have it, folks. If you are the victim of a violent crime, you are a statistical non-entity.

I'm pretty sure that's not what he said or inferred in the least.

Keep raping strawmen all you want, but he said it.
Look, if self-defense bothers you, fine, do not defend yourself. But you have to understand that others are not willing to be just another statistic.

You can't be that obtuse. I said the truly innocent violent crime victim in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity. That means while they exist, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of violent crime victims in Milwaukee are engaged in illegal conduct themselves. But that reality does not help gun-strokers' fantasies about saving the prom queen from the Bad Black Guys.


Projecting much? Just because you have those fantasies, does not mean others do. The sheriff proposed learning personal defense from a qualified trainer. That would help those you keep dismissing, without providing fodder for your feverish dreams. Why take issue with that?
 
2013-01-26 01:41:21 AM  

swfan: Boojum2k: paygun: BronyMedic: Considering I keep a nine millimeter Browning Hi-Power loaded with hollow points in my bedside table, I'm pretty sure I believe whole-heartily in self-defense.

This is spectacular. You even dragged out the gun control equivalent of "I have black friends."

Then why are you arguing? The guy recommended education and training in self-defense, everything else has been your inference. Go post some pony pics, it'll make you feel better.

This should make paygun feel much better...


I like it!
 
2013-01-26 01:41:35 AM  
Oh shiat. I just realized I was flipping you off in the last picture. totally unintentional.
 
2013-01-26 01:44:11 AM  

paygun: Milo Minderbinder: But that reality does not help gun-strokers' fantasies about saving the prom queen from the Bad Black Guys.

Gun owners are racist aren't they.


Some of my best guns are black.
 
2013-01-26 01:44:58 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: I said the truly innocent violent crime victim in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity.


Last time I was in Milwaukee someone stole a bag of dog shiat out of my friend's hand. She didn't start laughing for about 45 seconds she was so stunned.

/obviously she was walking the dog who didn't think it odd at all that someone wanted a bag of jakes.
 
2013-01-26 01:45:13 AM  

BronyMedic: Oh shiat. I just realized I was flipping you off in the last picture. totally unintentional.


I'd have done it on purpose, but just for gits and shins. Cool by me, it's a nice pistol, and obviously well taken care of.
 
2013-01-26 01:45:20 AM  

Boojum2k: Milo Minderbinder: Boojum2k: BronyMedic: Boojum2k: Milo Minderbinder: The other issue is that non-domestic violent crime in Milwaukee is almost entirely centered on be drug trade. If you are getting shot at or robbed, then stop dealing crack. The truly innocent, law-abiding homeowner that is the victim of a home invasion in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity. But that's not what all the small-penised, paranoid gun-stroking fans of Clark want to hear.

And there we have it, folks. If you are the victim of a violent crime, you are a statistical non-entity.

I'm pretty sure that's not what he said or inferred in the least.

Keep raping strawmen all you want, but he said it.
Look, if self-defense bothers you, fine, do not defend yourself. But you have to understand that others are not willing to be just another statistic.

You can't be that obtuse. I said the truly innocent violent crime victim in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity. That means while they exist, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of violent crime victims in Milwaukee are engaged in illegal conduct themselves. But that reality does not help gun-strokers' fantasies about saving the prom queen from the Bad Black Guys.

Projecting much? Just because you have those fantasies, does not mean others do. The sheriff proposed learning personal defense from a qualified trainer. That would help those you keep dismissing, without providing fodder for your feverish dreams. Why take issue with that?


I don't. I take issue with Clark's general idiocy, like his shiatting on every other police agency in the county when his own department is jacked up beyond belief. Clark needs to arrest drunk drivers on the highways and leave the real law enforcement to the professionals.
 
2013-01-26 01:45:24 AM  

Jake Steed: Holy shiat!! Am I wasted or is this the most confusing post I have seen in 10 years at Fark.


assets.diylol.com
 
2013-01-26 01:46:54 AM  

BronyMedic: Beautiful weapon. Inherited it from my Grandfather.


You could make a load of money on that. I don't mean selling such a nice gun that you inherited. Don't sell it. But you could sell those high capacity assault magazines for a load of cash right now since the panic is on. Not to people in New York, though.
 
2013-01-26 01:47:07 AM  

BronyMedic: Oh shiat. I just realized I was flipping you off in the last picture. totally unintentional.


You're all over the map, or perhaps I don't get it. What exactly is your position on using a gun for self defense and what did the Sheriff do that you don't like?
 
2013-01-26 01:47:27 AM  

OnlyM3: For those advocating 9-1-1 as the panacea, what was the response time at Sandy Hook?


Let's not forget Columbine where the SWAT team sat on their cowardly asses outside of the school while the two assholes were still walking around killing people.
 
2013-01-26 01:49:02 AM  

BronyMedic: Oh shiat. I just realized I was flipping you off in the last picture. totally unintentional.


I'm not worried about what random kids on the internet think, don't worry about it.
 
2013-01-26 01:49:20 AM  

paygun: BarkingUnicorn: Perhaps as a public service?

If he wasn't advocating gun control, he must have nefarious intentions. Get with the program, dude!


But he did advocate gun control.  The general thrust of his PSA was "control the other guy's gun!"
 
2013-01-26 01:50:09 AM  

Milo Minderbinder: Boojum2k: Milo Minderbinder: Boojum2k: BronyMedic: Boojum2k: Milo Minderbinder: The other issue is that non-domestic violent crime in Milwaukee is almost entirely centered on be drug trade. If you are getting shot at or robbed, then stop dealing crack. The truly innocent, law-abiding homeowner that is the victim of a home invasion in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity. But that's not what all the small-penised, paranoid gun-stroking fans of Clark want to hear.

And there we have it, folks. If you are the victim of a violent crime, you are a statistical non-entity.

I'm pretty sure that's not what he said or inferred in the least.

Keep raping strawmen all you want, but he said it.
Look, if self-defense bothers you, fine, do not defend yourself. But you have to understand that others are not willing to be just another statistic.

You can't be that obtuse. I said the truly innocent violent crime victim in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity. That means while they exist, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of violent crime victims in Milwaukee are engaged in illegal conduct themselves. But that reality does not help gun-strokers' fantasies about saving the prom queen from the Bad Black Guys.

Projecting much? Just because you have those fantasies, does not mean others do. The sheriff proposed learning personal defense from a qualified trainer. That would help those you keep dismissing, without providing fodder for your feverish dreams. Why take issue with that?

I don't. I take issue with Clark's general idiocy, like his shiatting on every other police agency in the county when his own department is jacked up beyond belief. Clark needs to arrest drunk drivers on the highways and leave the real law enforcement to the professionals.


Ok, he's not my sheriff, so if you have to deal with him I'll defer to your judgement on the man. I'll just note that just because someone is wrong most of the time doesn't mean they are wrong all the time. His statement here was pretty spot-on, take it for what it's worth, even if he's an intolerable moron the rest of the time.
 
2013-01-26 01:51:19 AM  

feckingmorons: You're all over the map, or perhaps I don't get it. What exactly is your position on using a gun for self defense and what did the Sheriff do that you don't like?


As best as I can tell, he's upset that the sheriff said some things that he didn't say, but totally meant anyway.
 
2013-01-26 01:52:32 AM  

paygun: You could make a load of money on that. I don't mean selling such a nice gun that you inherited. Don't sell it. But you could sell those high capacity assault magazines for a load of cash right now since the panic is on. Not to people in New York, though.


In all seriousness, he'd come back to haunt me. One of the conditions of inheriting his guns in his will was that I never sell any of them. Next time I'm there, I'll take some pics. A few Auto 5s, a 60 year old winchester 30-30, beautiful BAR rifle, M1 Carbine and Garand among other things. He also left me a biatchin' JFK and Johnson memorabilia/staff gift collection, but that stays in the gun safe I'm too cheap to move from Savannah to Memphis (really need to, though. Need to have a secure place for documents and valuables). That man loved him some FN/Browning.

I need to take better care of it. Right now I only shoot the polymer piece of crap that is the Bersa .380 on a regular basis.

feckingmorons: You're all over the map, or perhaps I don't get it. What exactly is your position on using a gun for self defense and what did the Sheriff do that you don't like?


I don't have a problem with using a firearm in defense of the life of one, or another. CCWs are awesome. I have a problem with the Decider mentality that some people encourage and demonstrate.

On otherhand, I think everyone needs a pair of these.

i.imgur.com

/if anyone wants a full set of never used laryngiscopes that I was MADE to buy by the Paramedic program in 2007, let me know. I'm sure you people can do something kinky with it.
 
2013-01-26 01:56:25 AM  

BronyMedic: I have a problem with the Decider mentality that some people encourage and demonstrate.


I have a problem with the Decider mentality that some people encourage and demonstrate.

I don't really know what you mean by that. Can you clarify.

/I good on Macintosh blades and straight blades too. I could let you have an AED at a good price, or a LifePack10
 
2013-01-26 01:56:35 AM  

OgreMagi: OnlyM3: For those advocating 9-1-1 as the panacea, what was the response time at Sandy Hook?

Let's not forget Columbine where the SWAT team sat on their cowardly asses outside of the school while the two assholes were still walking around killing people.


You are aware that Columbine was a real life event and not an action movie starring Bruce Willis? Because at that time, operational doctrine demanded that Swat teams would sit outside on their "cowardly asses" while a negotiator was called in. If you want to blame someone, blame the two armed school security guards (both NRA members) who turned and ran when faced by superior firepower.
 
2013-01-26 01:57:02 AM  

BronyMedic: /if anyone wants a full set of never used laryngiscopes that I was MADE to buy by the Paramedic program in 2007, let me know. I'm sure you people can do something kinky with it.


I really would prefer them used.  Stick them down your throat and post more pics, please.
 
2013-01-26 01:58:34 AM  

Coelacanth: You are aware that Columbine was a real life event and not an action movie starring Bruce Willis? Because at that time, operational doctrine demanded that Swat teams would sit outside on their "cowardly asses" while a negotiator was called in. If you want to blame someone, blame the two armed school security guards (both NRA members) who turned and ran when faced by superior firepower.


I'm still trying to figure out how Columbine even happened since the first assault weapon ban was still in effect then.
 
2013-01-26 01:59:04 AM  

Boojum2k: Milo Minderbinder: Boojum2k: Milo Minderbinder: Boojum2k: BronyMedic: Boojum2k: Milo Minderbinder: The other issue is that non-domestic violent crime in Milwaukee is almost entirely centered on be drug trade. If you are getting shot at or robbed, then stop dealing crack. The truly innocent, law-abiding homeowner that is the victim of a home invasion in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity. But that's not what all the small-penised, paranoid gun-stroking fans of Clark want to hear.

And there we have it, folks. If you are the victim of a violent crime, you are a statistical non-entity.

I'm pretty sure that's not what he said or inferred in the least.

Keep raping strawmen all you want, but he said it.
Look, if self-defense bothers you, fine, do not defend yourself. But you have to understand that others are not willing to be just another statistic.

You can't be that obtuse. I said the truly innocent violent crime victim in Milwaukee is a statistical non-entity. That means while they exist, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of violent crime victims in Milwaukee are engaged in illegal conduct themselves. But that reality does not help gun-strokers' fantasies about saving the prom queen from the Bad Black Guys.

Projecting much? Just because you have those fantasies, does not mean others do. The sheriff proposed learning personal defense from a qualified trainer. That would help those you keep dismissing, without providing fodder for your feverish dreams. Why take issue with that?

I don't. I take issue with Clark's general idiocy, like his shiatting on every other police agency in the county when his own department is jacked up beyond belief. Clark needs to arrest drunk drivers on the highways and leave the real law enforcement to the professionals.

Ok, he's not my sheriff, so if you have to deal with him I'll defer to your judgement on the man. I'll just note that just because someone is wrong most of the time doesn't mean they are wrong all the time. His statement here was pretty spot-on, take it for what it's worth, even if he's an intolerable moron the rest of the time.


My bigger problem with guys like him is that they unnecessarily feed a paranoid gun-culture. It's like telling some guy in Colorado that he really needs flood insurance. 99.9% of the time it's stupid advice, but along the way you create a couple George Zimmermans or the lady from Newton. But it gets Clark re-elected because its what people want to hear.
 
2013-01-26 02:00:02 AM  

BronyMedic: A few Auto 5s, a 60 year old winchester 30-30, beautiful BAR rifle, M1 Carbine and Garand among other things.


I hope your military style weapons of war don't get banned. For the children.
 
2013-01-26 02:01:11 AM  

feckingmorons: I don't really know what you mean by that. Can you clarify.


I guess the best way to explain it is people who believe that a CCW is an end-all be all that makes them magically a tactical operator able to take crack shots in immensely stressful situations, and people who make statements about if only x had guns, y wouldn't have happened. People like James Yaeger, of Camden, TN, would be a good example of this.

feckingmorons: I could let you have an AED at a good price, or a LifePack10


Meh. I miss the LP10s. They were getting phased out when I got my paramedic and we were moving to the 12s because of the biphasic waveform and features like 12-lead and NIBP. Paddles were very useful. Plus, they were just fun.

Tennessee passed a board rule that says any ambulance has to run biphasic monitors unless they owned the monophasic ones before the rule was made - no sales or transfers would be allowed. Hardin County couldn't afford 30 biphasic monitors for their pumpers, so we lost the Zoll 1500s we were using (they had a selector key for manual defib/pacer/cardiovert and AED mode) and got LifePak 500s.
 
2013-01-26 02:03:48 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: I really would prefer them used.  Stick them down your throat and post more pics, please.


biatch please. You're talking to someone who nasally intubated himself for fun in Paramedic school on a dare.
 
2013-01-26 02:04:30 AM  

cmb53208: BronyMedic: Milo Minderbinder: The best part is that MCSO covers the highways, parks and the airport. If someone is breaking into your house, deputies won't be handling it anyways.

Oh, shiat. Really? Interesting why he'd be putting out those PSAs then.

Yup, the entirety of Milwaukee County is incorporated, and each city/village has their own PD


Weird. BronyMedic once again injecting his willfully ignorant opinion into a topic which he knows nothing about? Wow, that's so, er, unexpected. What with it happening pretty much every day in every thread and all.

To BronyClueless: Hint, idiot: you should take a few seconds to understand an area's political culture as related to guns, before jumping in, ignorantly, like a clown jumping in to a shark tank. In case you're STILL unclear, the clown is you, the sharks in this example are the people who understand reality and logic.
 
2013-01-26 02:05:46 AM  

BronyMedic: I guess the best way to explain it is people who believe that a CCW is an end-all be all that makes them magically a tactical operator able to take crack shots in immensely stressful situations, and people who make statements about if only x had guns, y wouldn't have happened. People like James Yaeger, of Camden, TN, would be a good example of this.


I do think those people are idiots. I also think that painting all gun owners with that brush is just plain old bigotry. It's just a somewhat more politically correct kind of bigotry. It's even more astounding hearing it from someone who owns guns. Semi-automatic assault weapons, at that.
 
2013-01-26 02:06:30 AM  

feckingmorons: BronyMedic: Oh shiat. I just realized I was flipping you off in the last picture. totally unintentional.

You're all over the map, or perhaps I don't get it. What exactly is your position on using a gun for self defense and what did the Sheriff do that you don't like?


People on Fark are smart. Smart people tend to forget that there are lots of extremely dumb people out there. A lot of those dumb people are going to hear this Sheriff say "Sometimes the cops can't get there in time, so be prepared to defend yourself," and hear instead "The cops are useless. Go ahead and kill anyone you feel threatened by."

That's not what the sheriff meant. That's not what most Farkers mean. But unfortunately, that's what a lot of really dumb people want to hear, and what too many smart people don't realize that they DO hear a great deal of the time. So people like BronyMedic get very nervous when they hear well-intentioned people like the sheriff say stuff like this, because he's one of the ones who gets to scrape the results off the pavement later on.

I know it is very very hard for smart, rational, responsible people to comprehend that there really are that many dumb, irrational, reflexive morons out there; but there are. They really will go out and kill people over lawn furniture and feel totally justified by it. Just like that guy yesterday who pointed his AK-47 at his daughter because her grades were bad. Sadly, those people are NOT the minority of gun owners, they are the vast majority; and it's up to the rest of us to remember that people are stupid and we have to respond as such.
 
2013-01-26 02:07:54 AM  
i.imgur.com

I'm pretty sure you said something about me since FARK flagged your post as mentioning me, but I really don't care, since you were ignored for accusing me of being willing to/actually abusing my patients, calling me a liar and a fraud, and willing cover up for corrupt police assaulting people.

I'm glad to see I can still piss you off, though. It makes my sleepless night better.
 
2013-01-26 02:08:16 AM  

paygun: Coelacanth: You are aware that Columbine was a real life event and not an action movie starring Bruce Willis? Because at that time, operational doctrine demanded that Swat teams would sit outside on their "cowardly asses" while a negotiator was called in. If you want to blame someone, blame the two armed school security guards (both NRA members) who turned and ran when faced by superior firepower.

I'm still trying to figure out how Columbine even happened since the first assault weapon ban was still in effect then.


Well, DUH, obviously it didn't happen. For it to have happened, murderers would have had to BREAK LAWS. Sheesh, don't you understand how laws work?
 
2013-01-26 02:10:06 AM  

paygun: Semi-automatic assault weapons, at that.


What do I own that feeds from a box magazine AND has a select fire trigger grouping, bayonet lug, the capability for launching grenades, descended from the STG-44 family, or any of the other traditionally accepted definitions of assault rifle?
 
2013-01-26 02:10:08 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Just like that guy yesterday who pointed his AK-47 at his daughter because her grades were bad. Sadly, those people are NOT the minority of gun owners, they are the vast majority;


Do black people next. Then the jews.
 
2013-01-26 02:10:27 AM  

Gyrfalcon: feckingmorons: BronyMedic: Oh shiat. I just realized I was flipping you off in the last picture. totally unintentional.

You're all over the map, or perhaps I don't get it. What exactly is your position on using a gun for self defense and what did the Sheriff do that you don't like?

People on Fark are smart. Smart people tend to forget that there are lots of extremely dumb people out there. A lot of those dumb people are going to hear this Sheriff say "Sometimes the cops can't get there in time, so be prepared to defend yourself," and hear instead "The cops are useless. Go ahead and kill anyone you feel threatened by."

That's not what the sheriff meant. That's not what most Farkers mean. But unfortunately, that's what a lot of really dumb people want to hear, and what too many smart people don't realize that they DO hear a great deal of the time. So people like BronyMedic get very nervous when they hear well-intentioned people like the sheriff say stuff like this, because he's one of the ones who gets to scrape the results off the pavement later on.

I know it is very very hard for smart, rational, responsible people to comprehend that there really are that many dumb, irrational, reflexive morons out there; but there are. They really will go out and kill people over lawn furniture and feel totally justified by it. Just like that guy yesterday who pointed his AK-47 at his daughter because her grades were bad. Sadly, those people are NOT the minority of gun owners, they are the vast majority; and it's up to the rest of us to remember that people are stupid and we have to respond as such.


Do you live in Milwaukee County? I do. In fact, my office is within 150 feet of Clark's. Clark WAS saying that police are useless. I know that because I hear him saying that almost every day.
 
2013-01-26 02:12:35 AM  

BronyMedic: What do I own that feeds from a box magazine AND has a select fire trigger grouping, bayonet lug, the capability for launching grenades, descended from the STG-44 family, or any of the other traditionally accepted definitions of assault rifle?


Obviously you're not familiar with the singular wisdom of Diane Feinstein. You own assault weapons. You've already posted pictures of your high capacity ammunition clips.
 
2013-01-26 02:15:43 AM  

paygun: Obviously you're not familiar with the singular wisdom of Diane Feinstein. You own assault weapons. You've already posted pictures of your high capacity ammunition clips.


Feinstein's another reactionary idiot when it comes to guns. She has a history of this ever since Monesco and Milk got offed in 78.

Dealing with the mental health issues and loopholes that let mentally ill people purchase the kinds of weapons used in the massacres would go a lot farther than simply banning them. But that's just MHO. At any rate, if she wanted to "ban" something that was involved in the majority of gun crimes, she'd go after semi-auto handguns period.
 
2013-01-26 02:15:46 AM  

BronyMedic: [i.imgur.com image 769x38]

I'm pretty sure you said something about me since FARK flagged your post as mentioning me, but I really don't care, since you were ignored for accusing me of being willing to/actually abusing my patients, calling me a liar and a fraud, and willing cover up for corrupt police assaulting people.

I'm glad to see I can still piss you off, though. It makes my sleepless night better.


And, I'm glad to see that the post I called you on, includes the same defects that I called you on when you pretended to ignore me. But of course you'll never see this with your alts.

Thanks, BronyMedic, for reminding me that even though we once shared the same national registry status as emergency medical responders, that you're one of the power hungry "little big man" people who strut your empty shirt, while pretending to be god-like. Let me guess, you're a PAID medic, aren't you. I volunteered my time and weekends for training to helping people for decades. But you're a wage slave, aren't, you. And now you'll pretend to be superior to volunteer EMTs (who cover 95% of the USA by area), won't you.

You're just a city boy with no real-world knowledge, no understanding of how people outside of your city live, and full of judgment and opinions on topics that you're not qualified to have. What a sad, pathetic worthless life you lead.
 
2013-01-26 02:17:48 AM  

Coelacanth: OgreMagi: OnlyM3: For those advocating 9-1-1 as the panacea, what was the response time at Sandy Hook?

Let's not forget Columbine where the SWAT team sat on their cowardly asses outside of the school while the two assholes were still walking around killing people.

You are aware that Columbine was a real life event and not an action movie starring Bruce Willis? Because at that time, operational doctrine demanded that Swat teams would sit outside on their "cowardly asses" while a negotiator was called in. If you want to blame someone, blame the two armed school security guards (both NRA members) who turned and ran when faced by superior firepower.


Negotiating with people who are actively in the process of murdering people is exactly what a coward would do. And SWAT is specifically trained for those dangerous situations. I would not expect a regular cop to go in, but I damn well do expect SWAT to do exactly that. They get paid extra to spend all their time training for those rare occasions when their specialized skills are required. And when that time came, they did nothing. The CO of the SWAT team should have been fired on the spot. The entire SWAT team should have been disbanded since they served no useful purpose.

As for your claim about the armed guards,"The armed guard, Jefferson County Sheriff's Deputy Neil Gardner, was able to engage the killers, keeping them from shooting more victims, and he personally saved dozens of students."
 
2013-01-26 02:19:23 AM  

djh0101010: BronyMedic: [i.imgur.com image 769x38]

I'm pretty sure you said something about me since FARK flagged your post as mentioning me, but I really don't care, since you were ignored for accusing me of being willing to/actually abusing my patients, calling me a liar and a fraud, and willing cover up for corrupt police assaulting people.

I'm glad to see I can still piss you off, though. It makes my sleepless night better.

And, I'm glad to see that the post I called you on, includes the same defects that I called you on when you pretended to ignore me. But of course you'll never see this with your alts.

Thanks, BronyMedic, for reminding me that even though we once shared the same national registry status as emergency medical responders, that you're one of the power hungry "little big man" people who strut your empty shirt, while pretending to be god-like. Let me guess, you're a PAID medic, aren't you. I volunteered my time and weekends for training to helping people for decades. But you're a wage slave, aren't, you. And now you'll pretend to be superior to volunteer EMTs (who cover 95% of the USA by area), won't you.

You're just a city boy with no real-world knowledge, no understanding of how people outside of your city live, and full of judgment and opinions on topics that you're not qualified to have. What a sad, pathetic worthless life you lead.


Haha, EMT girl-fight!
 
2013-01-26 02:20:12 AM  

paygun: Bit'O'Gristle: As a LEO, i can say this has merit. It takes minutes to find your address, i don't have a encyclopedic memory and knowledge of every farking address in the USA, and it takes time to get there, and find the house / business. It may be in a area i've never been in before. And frankly, I'm not your personal bodyguard, i get called, i get there as fast as safely possible, and deal with what is happening, or in 99 percent of incidents, already happened and over by the time i get there. It's not my job to camp on your driveway and wait for something to happen to you, I can't be everywhere at once. So yes, it makes sense that you have some training / plan /way to defend your home / business / family. I am a reactionary asset of the local government, not your personal bodyguard. Learn how to protect yourself and yours if you care enough to do that, or just be a victim and cry "why aren't the police protecting us?

So what I'm hearing here is that I need to put lights on my car and drive around the neighborhood dispensing brutal justice with my .38, right?


/wow..the idiocy is deep with this one.
 
2013-01-26 02:20:27 AM  

OgreMagi: Negotiating with people who are actively in the process of murdering people is exactly what a coward would do. And SWAT is specifically trained for those dangerous situations. I would not expect a regular cop to go in, but I damn well do expect SWAT to do exactly that. They get paid extra to spend all their time training for those rare occasions when their specialized skills are required. And when that time came, they did nothing. The CO of the SWAT team should have been fired on the spot. The entire SWAT team should have been disbanded since they served no useful purpose.

As for your claim about the armed guards,"The armed guard, Jefferson County Sheriff's Deputy Neil Gardner, was able to engage the killers, keeping them from shooting more victims, and he personally saved dozens of students."


Different time and tactical doctrine, which was found to be worse than useless. Police no longer isolate and contain like they used to. They now move aggressively to confront and drop an active spree killer - like a school shooter. They'll even bypass the dying and wounded to do so.

It's like trying to compare World War II carpet bombing with modern, precision bombing tactics used in theatres of war today.
 
2013-01-26 02:20:30 AM  

BronyMedic: Feinstein's another reactionary idiot when it comes to guns. She has a history of this ever since Monesco and Milk got offed in 78.


So you wouldn't support her proposed assault weapons ban, right?

I'm just making a list here. So far we have:

1. believes people should be able to defend themselves
2. owns guns, including scary guns that would be banned as assault weapons
3. doesn't support Feinstein's gun ban
4. believes a sheriff telling people they should defend themselves instead of hiding under a bed hoping the cops will show up soon, is irresponsible
 
2013-01-26 02:21:44 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: wow..the idiocy is deep with this one.


I've been led to believe that's what you were implying when you said you're not a comic book superhero. Yeah it sounds retarded to me too.
 
2013-01-26 02:34:43 AM  
I own a fully automatic weapon. It is in a big metal box in my living room. I may just put it in the car and drive to 7Eleven. I will also carry a concealed handgun.
 
2013-01-26 02:36:01 AM  

paygun: 1. believes people should be able to defend themselves
2. owns guns, including scary guns that would be banned as assault weapons
3. doesn't support Feinstein's gun ban
4. believes a sheriff telling people they should defend themselves instead of hiding under a bed hoping the cops will show up soon, is irresponsible 4. Believes a Sheriff using a PSA to infer that departments with whom he does not even share jurisdictional response with cannot protect people, so they should arm themselves and "prepare to be victims" otherwise in the climate we have developed towards firearms and self-defense in the last two years, from Trayvon (regardless of what you believe, it caused a major controversy - you cannot deny that) to Sandy Hook to Obama supposedly releasing x executive order to confiscate guns is irresponsible.


That's what I believe.
 
2013-01-26 02:36:51 AM  

BronyMedic: Sheriff using a PSA to infer


I agree that's all you have left.
 
2013-01-26 02:37:57 AM  
Who let the hobbit have a pistol?
 
2013-01-26 02:39:06 AM  

BronyMedic: OgreMagi: Negotiating with people who are actively in the process of murdering people is exactly what a coward would do. And SWAT is specifically trained for those dangerous situations. I would not expect a regular cop to go in, but I damn well do expect SWAT to do exactly that. They get paid extra to spend all their time training for those rare occasions when their specialized skills are required. And when that time came, they did nothing. The CO of the SWAT team should have been fired on the spot. The entire SWAT team should have been disbanded since they served no useful purpose.

As for your claim about the armed guards,"The armed guard, Jefferson County Sheriff's Deputy Neil Gardner, was able to engage the killers, keeping them from shooting more victims, and he personally saved dozens of students."

Different time and tactical doctrine, which was found to be worse than useless. Police no longer isolate and contain like they used to. They now move aggressively to confront and drop an active spree killer - like a school shooter. They'll even bypass the dying and wounded to do so.

It's like trying to compare World War II carpet bombing with modern, precision bombing tactics used in theatres of war today.


It's good to know they actually learned a lesson from Columbine.

While some people might think bypassing the dying and wounded in those situations is cruel, I see the logic. If you stop to render aid you are allowing the killers to do more damage and you risk becoming a victim when you are distracted. I would hope the new doctrine includes additional people following the front line to render the actual aid when areas have been secured.
 
2013-01-26 02:39:51 AM  

paygun: I agree that's all you have left.


You have people who live in Milwaukee in this thread telling you that this man has no response duties in their incorporated township. His department basically exists to serve warrants, protect the airport, and parks. You also have people in this thread telling you that he has a history of doing stupid, political things.

While I didn't have that information to begin with, it certainly makes me comfortable with what I said.
 
2013-01-26 02:42:52 AM  

OgreMagi: While some people might think bypassing the dying and wounded in those situations is cruel, I see the logic. If you stop to render aid you are allowing the killers to do more damage and you risk becoming a victim when you are distracted. I would hope the new doctrine includes additional people following the front line to render the actual aid when areas have been secured.


Depends on the model. Some departments tell their first in officers to move towards the gunfire and ignore everyone, and EMS comes in after the gunshots stop. The problem is that many EMS agencies, especially private services, aren't willing to put their people through tactical training and take on that liability for using their people in that manner. Other places have agreements set up where they will send trained EMTs and Paramedics in with the second wave of officers behind the first, and they will begin triage and combat lifesaving-style treatment, like tourniquets/bleeding control and basic airway maneuvers. The best model that you can get in progressive departments is where they actually have EMTs and Paras who have tactical response training, and who actually go in with the first wave of officers, or even under fire.
 
2013-01-26 02:50:47 AM  

BronyMedic: While I didn't have that information to begin with, it certainly makes me comfortable with what I said.


Well, you've got that. At least you're not the usual mouth breathing gun control retard who thinks that inanimate metal objects direct human behavior and words on a piece of paper can alter the laws of physics. Around here that makes you some kind of mental giant.
 
2013-01-26 02:54:02 AM  

paygun: Well, you've got that. At least you're not the usual mouth breathing gun control retard who thinks that inanimate metal objects direct human behavior and words on a piece of paper can alter the laws of physics. Around here that makes you some kind of mental giant.


I'll take "people who oversimplify complex interactions between mental health, education, stress, and socioeconomic status for 500, Alex."
 
2013-01-26 03:02:48 AM  
Please keep the discussion civil, and stop with the name calling. Thanks.
 
2013-01-26 03:37:49 AM  
I moved from Milwaukee back in '92, so I'm really getting a kick out of this. Sadly, it may take a couple days to get the total effect.

/and not surprised at the vocal response, either
 
2013-01-26 04:12:26 AM  
LOL! Subby believes government agents are there to prevent crime.
 
2013-01-26 04:48:37 AM  
I'm not commenting on the gun debate, you can have a gun if you want, whatever. But,

When a society can no longer defend its citizens, a major portion of society's whole raison d'etre is gone.
 
2013-01-26 04:55:47 AM  

ArkAngel: Can't be fired. He's not Chief of Police (that's Ed Flynn). He's the Sheriff, an elected position. And he's pretty popular.


I bet the criminals just love him.
 
2013-01-26 05:50:59 AM  

BronyMedic: paygun: You could make a load of money on that. I don't mean selling such a nice gun that you inherited. Don't sell it. But you could sell those high capacity assault magazines for a load of cash right now since the panic is on. Not to people in New York, though.

In all seriousness, he'd come back to haunt me. One of the conditions of inheriting his guns in his will was that I never sell any of them. Next time I'm there, I'll take some pics. A few Auto 5s, a 60 year old winchester 30-30, beautiful BAR rifle, M1 Carbine and Garand among other things. He also left me a biatchin' JFK and Johnson memorabilia/staff gift collection, but that stays in the gun safe I'm too cheap to move from Savannah to Memphis (really need to, though. Need to have a secure place for documents and valuables). That man loved him some FN/Browning.

I need to take better care of it. Right now I only shoot the polymer piece of crap that is the Bersa .380 on a regular basis.

feckingmorons: You're all over the map, or perhaps I don't get it. What exactly is your position on using a gun for self defense and what did the Sheriff do that you don't like?

I don't have a problem with using a firearm in defense of the life of one, or another. CCWs are awesome. I have a problem with the Decider mentality that some people encourage and demonstrate.

On otherhand, I think everyone needs a pair of these.

[i.imgur.com image 850x680]

/if anyone wants a full set of never used laryngiscopes that I was MADE to buy by the Paramedic program in 2007, let me know. I'm sure you people can do something kinky with it.


Who the hell needs Size 4 laryngiscope blades? Are you compensating for a small penis?
 
2013-01-26 05:56:44 AM  
So citizens need to carry handcuffs, weapons and wear bullet proof vests.
 
2013-01-26 05:58:58 AM  

Cer10Death: Who the hell needs Size 4 laryngiscope blades? Are you compensating for a small penis?


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-26 06:13:49 AM  

kazikian: I'm not commenting on the gun debate, you can have a gun if you want, whatever. But,

When a society can no longer defend its citizens, a major portion of society's whole raison d'etre is gone.


Yea, but he didn't say help wouldn't be coming. He saying it might not get there in time to help. This is just a fact.
We made the 911 system to respond to crime more efficiently, not to create a false sense of security.

It would be like hiring more lifeguards but refusing to teach people how to swim.
You might have shorter response times, but you still end up with more drownings.

/In the pre telephone days people lived close together and kept weapons to help themselves and their neighbors.
/Society can fend for itself if you allow it.
 
2013-01-26 07:00:50 AM  
A few things as a Milwaukee County resident:

- When you call 911, they generally dispatch the municipality's cops.

- Clarke is embroiled in a pissing match over funding with the county exec.

- Clarke runs as a Democrat. He was appointed in '02 by a Republican governor to fill a vacancy. He's a Democrat because most Milwaukee County voters won't vote for a Republican. Explain Scott Walker as county exec.? That's a non-partisan office, pension scandal. There's also tons of fun with the county board.

- My favorite quote about the MCSO comes from Mark Belling over a decade ago when they had a helicopter that crashed. In the debate over getting a new helicopter, Belling asked, "why would they want to buy a new helicopter? They can't park it under an overpass..."

- Clarke is grandstanding. It's what he does. I'm pretty pro law enforcement, but I'm convinced he'll want to arrest you if you fart.
 
2013-01-26 07:41:18 AM  

hideous: don't call 911, fend for yourself, basically. Which is fine, but then we need to talk about me not paying the portion of taxes that fund the police, since that is a service no longer being offered, right?


See, that's a large part of the problem. Our taxes are used to prop up those who you call the police for protection from.
 
2013-01-26 08:01:08 AM  

paygun: Boojum2k: Be prepared to protect yourself, because the police probably won't be there to save you. What is so Goddamned controversial about that?

It implies that government isn't infallible and doesn't have magical powers, and this is fark.


And don't forget, more taxes will fix everything. Why won't we just pay more?
 
2013-01-26 08:08:42 AM  

cantsleep: Fark, where posters hate guns, and hate cops, but love cops when the talk is about citizens with guns.


Yep, farkers will argue with a fence post...like to see their words on the internet.
 
2013-01-26 08:13:11 AM  

BronyMedic: paygun: I remember when Obama was praised for speaking to the American people as if they were adults. Funny how in this case that's a bad thing.

I don't remember when Obama told people to arm themselves and take the law into their own hands, and then tried to sell them a gun training course he has financial ties to.

FTFA:  "To issue a blanket statement that people should be out there, arming up, and taking care of safety matters that really law enforcement officials are trained to do, is just irresponsible," said Bonavia.
The office of Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett said in a statement: "Apparently Sheriff David Clark (sp) is auditioning for the next Dirty Harry movie."
 When the Mayor's office publicly ridicules you, you're doing it wrong.


Only if you assume the Mayor is right.
 
2013-01-26 08:30:39 AM  

paygun: Gyrfalcon: Just like that guy yesterday who pointed his AK-47 at his daughter because her grades were bad. Sadly, those people are NOT the minority of gun owners, they are the vast majority;

Do black people next. Then the jews.


Bam!
 
2013-01-26 08:41:27 AM  

way south: kazikian: I'm not commenting on the gun debate, you can have a gun if you want, whatever. But,

When a society can no longer defend its citizens, a major portion of society's whole raison d'etre is gone.

Yea, but he didn't say help wouldn't be coming. He saying it might not get there in time to help. This is just a fact.
We made the 911 system to respond to crime more efficiently, not to create a false sense of security.

It would be like hiring more lifeguards but refusing to teach people how to swim.
You might have shorter response times, but you still end up with more drownings.

/In the pre telephone days people lived close together and kept weapons to help themselves and their neighbors.
/Society can fend for itself if you allow it.


The heck you say? Only the government can protect us... 'Course they'll need taxes to do it.
 
2013-01-26 08:47:52 AM  
Damn, the Fark gun 'tards are up before me AGAIN.
 
2013-01-26 08:51:48 AM  

paygun: BronyMedic: And you're defending blatant, politically pandering derp that is irresponsible.

I think your goalposts are purposely vague.


How else are all the kids on his team with Down's going to score?
 
2013-01-26 08:52:36 AM  

hideous: don't call 911, fend for yourself, basically. Which is fine, but then we need to talk about me not paying the portion of taxes that fund the police, since that is a service no longer being offered, right?


I would be OK with that, but you have to haul away your own dead bodies and you have to pay extra if you leave them on the street for the trash collectors to pick up.
 
2013-01-26 08:54:32 AM  

Shae123: way south: kazikian: I'm not commenting on the gun debate, you can have a gun if you want, whatever. But,

When a society can no longer defend its citizens, a major portion of society's whole raison d'etre is gone.

Yea, but he didn't say help wouldn't be coming. He saying it might not get there in time to help. This is just a fact.
We made the 911 system to respond to crime more efficiently, not to create a false sense of security.

It would be like hiring more lifeguards but refusing to teach people how to swim.
You might have shorter response times, but you still end up with more drownings.

/In the pre telephone days people lived close together and kept weapons to help themselves and their neighbors.
/Society can fend for itself if you allow it.

The heck you say? Only the government can protect us... 'Course they'll need taxes to do it.


'Course they'll need MORE taxes to do it.
 
2013-01-26 08:59:12 AM  

Cataholic: paygun: BronyMedic: And you're defending blatant, politically pandering derp that is irresponsible.

I think your goalposts are purposely vague.

How else are all the kids on his team with Down's going to score?


SkinnyHead, is that you?

It's not nice to project your own disabilities on others, man. Be proud of who you are.
 
2013-01-26 09:02:07 AM  
"Dunkin Donuts, what is your emergency?"

Route the calls is all I'm sayin'
 
2013-01-26 09:18:59 AM  

Jake Steed: Harvey murders


Is it really necessary to embellish the story?
 
2013-01-26 09:31:45 AM  
i.huffpost.com

Ask this guy how that 911 thing worked out for him.
 
2013-01-26 09:42:36 AM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: [i.huffpost.com image 384x480]

Ask this guy how that 911 thing worked out for him.


You mean leaving the safety of his vehicle in direct violation of common sense and the advice of a 911 dispatcher, to follow a complete stranger and end up being involved in a national debacle based on he-said events and poorly worded laws?
 
2013-01-26 10:15:22 AM  
Clarke is an 'ok' sheriff and is doing a decent job.

HOWEVER, he is a bit of an attention whore and grand-stander.
 
2013-01-26 11:00:00 AM  

mrlewish: While something has already gone wrong if you have to call 911 it seems like they need to find a new Sheriff that can run a police department properly.


No thank you. I live in Milwaukee County and I like the job Sheriff Clarke is doing.

Keep your hands off me county!! :)
 
2013-01-26 11:12:45 AM  
Cheese and rice! The level of discourse in this country has taken us through the looking glass.

I've called 911 three times in my life -- once for myself and twice for others:
1) Pedestrian hit by car: in less than a minute I called 911, and they told me that someone had already called it in. I turned around and saw an ambulance and a police car about a block away and closing fast.
2) Drunk party goers kicking the crap out of someone: 55 seconds. (I timed it because I was safely two stories up in the building nexty door).
3) My rapidly losing consciousness due to a frighteningly rapid onset of food poisoning: I grabbed my wallet and housekeys, walked to my front door and the EMTs were at the top of the staircase on my floor.

Do not let some bullshiat sensationalist stories and/or AWs support the falsehood that 911 is not the best way to deal with emergencies.

OTOH: Sure, keep a gun, have nun-chucks and a tiger pit as well, but unless you're remarkably prepared and trained, I doubt that you can subdue four drunk arseholes or jam an IV into your arm while hooking yourself up to a portable EKG.

//Notes:
2a) Police officers arriving on scene are incredibly effective at communication, both verbal and non-verbal.
2b) The police station was less than a mile away, and they didn't have to cross any major street.
3a) Very rapid onset: Other than the light-headedness, I had no stomach discomfort and would not experience diarrhea as powerful as a Saturn V rocket until about ten minutes after I arrived at the hospital.
 
2013-01-26 11:15:43 AM  
This isn't the first time a cop has told the public that cops can't protect them from imminent violence and they should be prepared to protect themselves.  The reaction is always the same:  "Don't tell kids there is no Santa Claus!"
 
2013-01-26 11:18:59 AM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: ArkAngel: I heard this this morning. It struck me as very interesting and my first thought was that it was not only a strike out in favor of CC and gun safety, but also a passive-aggressive move towards increasing funding for the MSD.

You've figured it out.

It's notoriously impossible to fire police chiefs, but since this guy has now publicly admitted incompetence that threatens life and public order, they might have a chance.


You realize that Sheriff is an elected position, right? This isn't his first term, either.
 
2013-01-26 12:01:58 PM  

BronyMedic: paygun: Who would be better to teach a course like that? Private citizens with guns are immoral vigilantes.

You just lost the right to be taken seriously. You seriously don't see an issue with conflict of interest in Government?


You've got an agenda so you're casting the sheriff's words in the light that suits your perspective.

He didn't attack the mayor. He questioned whether, given the chance to do it all over again, the mayor would have rather had the ability to defend himself with a gun.

Am I attacking someone who was injured by being ejected from a car by asking whether they would have worn a seatbelt given the chance to do it again?

As far as people saying that his advice constitutes an admission of incompetence -- that's ridiculous. People must take some responsibility for their well being. I would not accuse a doctor of incompetence if he told me to wear a seatbelt, quit smoking or avoid fatty foods.

Tens of millons of Americans are armed and the vast majority (over 99.99%) are safe, law abiding decent people who would only ever shoot a person if left with no other option. The handwringing commentators who claim this is going to lead to the wild west are not supported by the facts.
 
2013-01-26 12:08:19 PM  

rattchett: Tens of millons of Americans are armed and the vast majority (over 99.99%) are safe, law abiding decent people who would only ever shoot a person if left with no other option.


Sorry, but no. This doesn't fly. While yes, the majority of gun owners are average Americans who really don't buy into the derp and hype, and own a weapon to hunt or protect themselves, it's far more of a problem than you seem willing to admit that "Responsible" gun owners go full retard in a public manner.
 
2013-01-26 12:16:19 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: What's "the job?"  Preventing crime or showing up after a crime to track down the criminal?

fill out a report.

As near as I can tell, 99% of police work is limited to two things:

1) babysitting idiots
2) filling out paperwork so that non-idiots can file insurance claims

Well, there's also traffic enforcement. I think traffic enforcement is great, but I really wish we didn't have police officers do it.
 
2013-01-26 12:21:53 PM  
Well, I'm convinced. What really high crime inner city areas need is some sort of "mandatory gun" program. You know, so that the next time you're in the skivvy part of town, you can feel extra safe. Because you know that every single person you see is carrying a gun.
 
2013-01-26 12:33:49 PM  

feckingmorons: CmndrFish: The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office is a disgusting waste of space. Disband them and contract out the few roles they have to able and willing municipal police departments. They have no business existing in a 100% incorporated county.

Your grasp of state law is astounding. Removing a Constitution Officer is actually impossible. The police departments can go away, but the Sheriff's Office must remain as it is required by law.

Perhaps with a no-nonsense sheriff like Sheriff Clark running the whole county you'd be better off.


State constitutions can change, fecking moron. It's not a terribly hard process in this state, either. Just ask Wisconsin's LGBT crowd.

And I would take Flynn over Clark every day of the week. One is good at his job. The other is a worthless, waste-of-space blowhard.
 
2013-01-26 12:39:21 PM  

CmndrFish: feckingmorons: CmndrFish: The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office is a disgusting waste of space. Disband them and contract out the few roles they have to able and willing municipal police departments. They have no business existing in a 100% incorporated county.

Your grasp of state law is astounding. Removing a Constitution Officer is actually impossible. The police departments can go away, but the Sheriff's Office must remain as it is required by law.

Perhaps with a no-nonsense sheriff like Sheriff Clark running the whole county you'd be better off.

State constitutions can change, fecking moron. It's not a terribly hard process in this state, either. Just ask Wisconsin's LGBT crowd.

And I would take Flynn over Clark every day of the week. One is good at his job. The other is a worthless, waste-of-space blowhard.


You'll never get rid of a county sheriff, even if he's the only one employed by the department. He's the only person in most states that can arrest a setting chief of police.
 
2013-01-26 01:03:14 PM  

BronyMedic: CmndrFish: feckingmorons: CmndrFish: The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office is a disgusting waste of space. Disband them and contract out the few roles they have to able and willing municipal police departments. They have no business existing in a 100% incorporated county.

Your grasp of state law is astounding. Removing a Constitution Officer is actually impossible. The police departments can go away, but the Sheriff's Office must remain as it is required by law.

Perhaps with a no-nonsense sheriff like Sheriff Clark running the whole county you'd be better off.

State constitutions can change, fecking moron. It's not a terribly hard process in this state, either. Just ask Wisconsin's LGBT crowd.

And I would take Flynn over Clark every day of the week. One is good at his job. The other is a worthless, waste-of-space blowhard.

You'll never get rid of a county sheriff, even if he's the only one employed by the department. He's the only person in most states that can arrest a setting chief of police.


I just looked through the section on this in the Wisconsin Constitution because it was bothering me, and feckingmorons was saying something that I have never heard before.

Nowhere in there does it say that a sheriff is actually required. So the office could be eliminated by county referendum, just like any other county level office.
 
2013-01-26 01:55:52 PM  

BronyMedic: rattchett: Tens of millons of Americans are armed and the vast majority (over 99.99%) are safe, law abiding decent people who would only ever shoot a person if left with no other option.

Sorry, but no. This doesn't fly. While yes, the majority of gun owners are average Americans who really don't buy into the derp and hype, and own a weapon to hunt or protect themselves, it's far more of a problem than you seem willing to admit that "Responsible" gun owners go full retard in a public manner.


There are between 43 and 55 million gun owners in the USA. There are approximately 100,000 shootings per year, which would include all types, including justified, murder, suicide, negligent, etc. The number of shootings include all guns, illegally and illegally owned.

If you take an average of 50 million gun owners and divide it by the number of shootings you come to .002. In other words .002% of gun owners shoot another person per year while 99.998% do not. Thus 99.99% of all gun owners are responsible. In fact more because I intentionally skewed the figures to be most favourable to those who would argue that the majority of gun owners are irresponsible.
 
2013-01-26 03:00:20 PM  

rattchett: BronyMedic: rattchett: Tens of millons of Americans are armed and the vast majority (over 99.99%) are safe, law abiding decent people who would only ever shoot a person if left with no other option.

Sorry, but no. This doesn't fly. While yes, the majority of gun owners are average Americans who really don't buy into the derp and hype, and own a weapon to hunt or protect themselves, it's far more of a problem than you seem willing to admit that "Responsible" gun owners go full retard in a public manner.

There are between 43 and 55 million gun owners in the USA. There are approximately 100,000 shootings per year, which would include all types, including justified, murder, suicide, negligent, etc. The number of shootings include all guns, illegally and illegally owned.

If you take an average of 50 million gun owners and divide it by the number of shootings you come to .002. In other words .002% of gun owners shoot another person per year while 99.998% do not. Thus 99.99% of all gun owners are responsible. In fact more because I intentionally skewed the figures to be most favourable to those who would argue that the majority of gun owners are irresponsible.


Should read "...legally and illegally owned."
 
2013-01-26 03:05:25 PM  

CmndrFish: Nowhere in there does it say that a sheriff is actually required. So the office could be eliminated by county referendum, just like any other county level office.


Some have viewed this as Clarke lashing out since the Sheriff's department's turf has been so eroded that they're essentially down to trolling 94 and the beaches during the summer. While he has a point that response times can be pretty sketchy in areas of Milwaukee county (well, anywhere that isn't the northeast corner of the county) he's making it from a defensive and biased point of view.
 
2013-01-26 03:37:57 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: CmndrFish: Nowhere in there does it say that a sheriff is actually required. So the office could be eliminated by county referendum, just like any other county level office.

Some have viewed this as Clarke lashing out since the Sheriff's department's turf has been so eroded that they're essentially down to trolling 94 and the beaches during the summer. While he has a point that response times can be pretty sketchy in areas of Milwaukee county (well, anywhere that isn't the northeast corner of the county) he's making it from a defensive and biased point of view.


All of this is true. Response times are good in most suburbs and the MPD's 1st district (the East Side, more or less). I'm just having trouble feeling any sort of sympathy for him because he's been putting out stupid, for-political-gain-only press releases for a long time now.

MCSO's budget, given their responsibilities, is way out of whack. Clarke could actually do something about response times instead of just whining about it, but he'd rather cover when Romney visits in Waukesha County instead. He deserves all of the ire Abele gives him.
 
2013-01-26 04:21:34 PM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: [i.huffpost.com image 384x480]

Ask this guy how that 911 thing worked out for him.


You do realize, that posting a random face shot with a filename of "original.jpg", isn't a real effective way to make whatever point you think you're making, right?

If not, well, now you've been told. Points are more effectively made when you actually say what it is that you are talking about.
 
2013-01-26 04:23:05 PM  
I think this is great. It will be like the wild west again.

Justice here we come.
 
2013-01-26 05:26:16 PM  

kazikian: I'm not commenting on the gun debate, you can have a gun if you want, whatever. But,

When a society can no longer defend its citizens, a major portion of society's whole raison d'etre is gone.


A society is its citizens. We can defend ourselves, and the Sheriffs suggests we learn how to do it safely.
 
2013-01-26 05:46:12 PM  

CmndrFish: BronyMedic: CmndrFish: feckingmorons: CmndrFish: The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office is a disgusting waste of space. Disband them and contract out the few roles they have to able and willing municipal police departments. They have no business existing in a 100% incorporated county.

Your grasp of state law is astounding. Removing a Constitution Officer is actually impossible. The police departments can go away, but the Sheriff's Office must remain as it is required by law.

Perhaps with a no-nonsense sheriff like Sheriff Clark running the whole county you'd be better off.

State constitutions can change, fecking moron. It's not a terribly hard process in this state, either. Just ask Wisconsin's LGBT crowd.

And I would take Flynn over Clark every day of the week. One is good at his job. The other is a worthless, waste-of-space blowhard.

You'll never get rid of a county sheriff, even if he's the only one employed by the department. He's the only person in most states that can arrest a setting chief of police.

I just looked through the section on this in the Wisconsin Constitution because it was bothering me, and feckingmorons was saying something that I have never heard before.

Nowhere in there does it say that a sheriff is actually required. So the office could be eliminated by county referendum, just like any other county level office.


You don't understand the term Constitutional officer and you didn't read well. Art 6 §4
 
2013-01-26 06:02:14 PM  

feckingmorons: You don't understand the term Constitutional officer and you didn't read well. Art 6 §4


Actually the elimination of the county sheriff's department (since they isn't much territory that is truly theirs) has been bandied about since the county is still way short on money. Clarke's remarks here were a response to the furloughs and shortages his department has had to deal with.
 
2013-01-26 06:29:05 PM  

feckingmorons: CmndrFish: BronyMedic: CmndrFish: feckingmorons: CmndrFish: The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office is a disgusting waste of space. Disband them and contract out the few roles they have to able and willing municipal police departments. They have no business existing in a 100% incorporated county.

Your grasp of state law is astounding. Removing a Constitution Officer is actually impossible. The police departments can go away, but the Sheriff's Office must remain as it is required by law.

Perhaps with a no-nonsense sheriff like Sheriff Clark running the whole county you'd be better off.

State constitutions can change, fecking moron. It's not a terribly hard process in this state, either. Just ask Wisconsin's LGBT crowd.

And I would take Flynn over Clark every day of the week. One is good at his job. The other is a worthless, waste-of-space blowhard.

You'll never get rid of a county sheriff, even if he's the only one employed by the department. He's the only person in most states that can arrest a setting chief of police.

I just looked through the section on this in the Wisconsin Constitution because it was bothering me, and feckingmorons was saying something that I have never heard before.

Nowhere in there does it say that a sheriff is actually required. So the office could be eliminated by county referendum, just like any other county level office.

You don't understand the term Constitutional officer and you didn't read well. Art 6 §4


Yes, this is right. I thought Rock County eliminated the Register of Deeds last year, which means that the language would allow for it, but they eliminated the coroner, which has its own qualifications.

Even so, you could still do one of two things:

1. Sheriff's office of 1 (as BronyMedic said)
2. Constitutional amendment (which ain't that hard in Wisconsin)

Presumably, 1 would be followed by 2.
 
2013-01-26 08:15:31 PM  

CmndrFish: Even so, you could still do one of two things:1. Sheriff's office of 1 (as BronyMedic said)2. Constitutional amendment (which ain't that hard in Wisconsin)Presumably, 1 would be followed by 2.


Yet the cops still wouldn't arrive quickly so you had better learn to use a gun.

You don't like the sheriff, big deal - it is obvious you're a tax and spend liberal. However the Sheriff's PSA is no less true because you don't like it.

The cops don't have a duty to protect any specific person. If you want protection it is up to you. Sure, the cops will get there as fast as they can, but it can't ever be fast enough when you're being victimized by an armed felon.

You just want government to meet your every need cradle to grave, and that is not how it works in this country. Show some initiative and stop complaining. Get a job, prepare for emergencies and grow a pair Mary.
 
2013-01-26 09:44:52 PM  

feckingmorons: CmndrFish: Even so, you could still do one of two things:1. Sheriff's office of 1 (as BronyMedic said)2. Constitutional amendment (which ain't that hard in Wisconsin)Presumably, 1 would be followed by 2.

Yet the cops still wouldn't arrive quickly so you had better learn to use a gun.

You don't like the sheriff, big deal - it is obvious you're a tax and spend liberal. However the Sheriff's PSA is no less true because you don't like it.

The cops don't have a duty to protect any specific person. If you want protection it is up to you. Sure, the cops will get there as fast as they can, but it can't ever be fast enough when you're being victimized by an armed felon.

You just want government to meet your every need cradle to grave, and that is not how it works in this country. Show some initiative and stop complaining. Get a job, prepare for emergencies and grow a pair Mary.


Hey, uh, you do realize I just called for the elimination of a wasteful government agency, right? The MCSO does nothing. I'm assuming you don't live in Milwaukee, so it's alright if you don't really understand why Clarke's comments are stupid, but really.

Please don't tell me you're a "fiscal conservative" that thinks it's alright to blow over 100 million a year on an agency that does less police work on a force that does less police work than the UWM police just because you like the bag of hot air that's in charge.
 
2013-01-26 10:37:10 PM  
A lot of people do not want to notice that they live in a dangerous world. It scares them that the government cannot be there 100% of the time and provide for their safety.

How dare Clarke suggest that someone take classes to help ensure that they can protect themselves and their family than rather hiding under the bed or begging a violent criminal for mercy.
Nothing he said could be construed as going out into the mean streets of Milwaukee dishing out personal rogue justice. But yeah, I guess pointing out that responsibility ends with you for protecting yourself and your loved ones is a little to much reality for certain ivory tower castes.
 
2013-01-27 12:27:39 AM  

CmndrFish: feckingmorons: CmndrFish: Even so, you could still do one of two things:1. Sheriff's office of 1 (as BronyMedic said)2. Constitutional amendment (which ain't that hard in Wisconsin)Presumably, 1 would be followed by 2.

Yet the cops still wouldn't arrive quickly so you had better learn to use a gun.

You don't like the sheriff, big deal - it is obvious you're a tax and spend liberal. However the Sheriff's PSA is no less true because you don't like it.

The cops don't have a duty to protect any specific person. If you want protection it is up to you. Sure, the cops will get there as fast as they can, but it can't ever be fast enough when you're being victimized by an armed felon.

You just want government to meet your every need cradle to grave, and that is not how it works in this country. Show some initiative and stop complaining. Get a job, prepare for emergencies and grow a pair Mary.

Hey, uh, you do realize I just called for the elimination of a wasteful government agency, right? The MCSO does nothing. I'm assuming you don't live in Milwaukee, so it's alright if you don't really understand why Clarke's comments are stupid, but really.

Please don't tell me you're a "fiscal conservative" that thinks it's alright to blow over 100 million a year on an agency that does less police work on a force that does less police work than the UWM police just because you like the bag of hot air that's in charge.


Don't you have a union meeting or recall rally to go to?
 
2013-01-27 10:43:03 AM  

feckingmorons:

Don't you have a union meeting or recall rally to go to?


Do you have an actual answer to the question you were asked? Or do you need a specific set of marching orders from AM 620? You strike me as the typical Waukesha County jackass who likes to scream and biatch at the top of his lungs but hates to support his positions.
 
2013-01-27 01:49:31 PM  

cmb53208: feckingmorons:

Don't you have a union meeting or recall rally to go to?

Do you have an actual answer to the question you were asked? Or do you need a specific set of marching orders from AM 620? You strike me as the typical Waukesha County jackass who likes to scream and biatch at the top of his lungs but hates to support his positions.


Let me clear this up for you. Guns are good, criminals are bad, union members are lazy gits.
 
2013-01-27 09:26:41 PM  

feckingmorons:

Let me clear this up for you. Guns are good, criminals are bad, union members are lazy gits.


Where do you get off being patronizing when you're the one who refuses to tell anyone why David Clarke is anything other than a loud-mouthed jackass? Once again, you serve as living proof the Milwaukee suburbs are filled with useless trash
 
2013-01-27 11:47:14 PM  

cmb53208: feckingmorons:

Let me clear this up for you. Guns are good, criminals are bad, union members are lazy gits.

Where do you get off being patronizing when you're the one who refuses to tell anyone why David Clarke is anything other than a loud-mouthed jackass? Once again, you serve as living proof the Milwaukee suburbs are filled with useless trash


But David Clarke isn't a loud mouth jackass, he is a responsible Sheriff.

I don't live in the Milwaukee suburbs, heck I don't even live in Wisconsin.
 
2013-01-28 09:43:19 AM  

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2013-01-26 12:54:25 AM

Giltric: BronyMedic: Now tell us how the individual officers on the street feel versus desk bound administrators

They want to crack skulls, kill dogs and pepper spray protesters?

Maybe solicit sex from a minor every once in a while?

Yes. We know. We go over it every thread. All pigs are corrupt, violent, power-hungry people who only use their badge to oppress you and occasionally rape and murder someone to masturbate over it later.

Yes exactly. Ok I know you're trying to be sarcastic, so please help educate us masses.

The following is a picture of several hundred cops. Tell us which one(s) are the good ones. Since your claim in the majority are great, this test should be easy for you.
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