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2013-01-25 08:31:35 PM

CADMonkey79: hamdinger: KidneyStone: [www.politifake.org image 640x939]

Haw haw, I sure am smarter than them thar jurnalists. Them "edjoocated" types with all them fancy queer words and their schoolin' and all them books.. shoot, I heard most of 'em even have all the teeth they was born with. Can you imagine?

Is that honestly the first time you have seen that pic or do you just use the same lame joke every time?


It's gun grabber humor. Hardy-har-har.
 
2013-01-25 08:34:55 PM

ghare: muck4doo: ghare: Gun nuts are nuts who have guns. Who new?

You are an expert when it comes to nuts.

Estás loco, hermano?


Funny racists are funny.
 
2013-01-25 08:35:45 PM

muck4doo: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's assholes like this that make the two or three dozen responsible gun owners in this country look bad.

No, it's the people that say stupid things like you just did that try to make the millions of responsible gun owners look bad. You should stop posting. You are making the first amendment look bad.


You're saying that???
 
2013-01-25 08:36:41 PM
anyone remember Furby's? Tickle Me Elmo? (pre-perv) Pet Rocks? Cabbage Patch Kids?
Seeing "men" standing around in a parking lot waiting for someone to leave the gun store so someone can go in reminds me of the epic christmas toy struggles.
Well except that I doubt that a Furby could kill their kid and or wife.

Takes a real man to point a gun at their family . . . a real man.
This whole "gun" thing disgusts me. Gun owner, hunter, Dad, Husband
 
2013-01-25 08:38:04 PM

Sybarite: Asian dad?

Kirill Bartashevitch

Hm, nope.


Yeah, I was disappointed too.
 
2013-01-25 08:38:43 PM

muck4doo: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's assholes like this that make the two or three dozen responsible gun owners in this country look bad.

No, it's the people that say stupid things like you just did that try to make the millions of responsible gun owners look bad. You should stop posting. You are making the first amendment look bad.


Don't feed the troll. Has Nina ever contributed anything but name calling and trolling in gun threads?
 
2013-01-25 08:38:49 PM
"Kirill Bartashevitch is charged with two counts of terroristic threats for pointing the gun at his daughter and wife."

"The daughter said she wasn't scared because she didn't think the gun was loaded."

"He said the gun was not loaded and that he checked the chamber before pointing it at them."

So, the question is, is it terroristic to not frighten someone by pointing a gun they know you have just checked the chamber and made sure was empty at them? Either "gray area" or "no".
 
2013-01-25 08:41:14 PM

SwiftFox: "Kirill Bartashevitch is charged with two counts of terroristic threats for pointing the gun at his daughter and wife."

"The daughter said she wasn't scared because she didn't think the gun was loaded."

"He said the gun was not loaded and that he checked the chamber before pointing it at them."

So, the question is, is it terroristic to not frighten someone by pointing a gun they know you have just checked the chamber and made sure was empty at them? Either "gray area" or "no".


At bare minimum, I think it should be gross misdemeanor assault. Let him serve a full year or 18 months or whatever the highest non-felony max sentence is.

Guns should only be pointed at dangerous or delicious animals, and the King of England if he's in your face.
 
2013-01-25 08:44:49 PM

pedrop357: SwiftFox: "Kirill Bartashevitch is charged with two counts of terroristic threats for pointing the gun at his daughter and wife."

"The daughter said she wasn't scared because she didn't think the gun was loaded."

"He said the gun was not loaded and that he checked the chamber before pointing it at them."

So, the question is, is it terroristic to not frighten someone by pointing a gun they know you have just checked the chamber and made sure was empty at them? Either "gray area" or "no".

At bare minimum, I think it should be gross misdemeanor assault. Let him serve a full year or 18 months or whatever the highest non-felony max sentence is.

Guns should only be pointed at dangerous or delicious animals, and the King of England if he's in your face.


Wait, so how am I supposed to turn out the lights before I go to bed?
 
2013-01-25 08:44:53 PM

pedrop357: muck4doo: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: It's assholes like this that make the two or three dozen responsible gun owners in this country look bad.

No, it's the people that say stupid things like you just did that try to make the millions of responsible gun owners look bad. You should stop posting. You are making the first amendment look bad.

Don't feed the troll. Has Nina ever contributed anything but name calling and trolling in gun threads?


Good point.
 
2013-01-25 08:47:41 PM
bet he wished he had an AK-47
thepirata.com
 
2013-01-25 08:52:34 PM
When I pass a school I don't think, "Look at all those straight-A students!" When I pass a church I'm not sure it's filled with kind, thoughtful, spiritual people When I merge onto the highway I'm not confident I'm surrounded by competent, attentive and alert drivers.

Going by the daily dipsh*t like this guy and the derp in these threads I'm thinking gun owners rate about the same kind of assessment. At this point I think advocating increased gun regulation would be the minimum requirement for "responsible gun owner."
 
2013-01-25 08:57:37 PM

The Green Intern: muck4doo: The Green Intern: I don't care what the fark the gun was

We know. It's safe to assume it was an AK. Best not nobody have them ever in the future.

Amazing... my point went sailing straight over your head, and yet you still helped me support it.

I'll try explaining it point by point for the thinking impaired:

He pointed a gun at her. The make and model of gun is in question. A certain subset of people would rather debate what kind of gun it is instead of discussing the situation that the gun revolved around.

When I say "I don't care what kind of gun it was." I mean that I do not care if he was pointing an AK, a Glock, an M-16, GAU-8A, or a phased plasma gun in the forty watt range at me. The type of gun is secondary to "This man pointed a gun at his child to intimidate her." I like guns. I have guns. Not to the degree that many of you have... but I'm actually rather thankful for that.

Are you people this pedantic about what kind of car that student driver tried to run over her instructor with?


Thank you, thank you, thank you. It truly does not matter what kind of fire arm this crime was committed with. Not now, not ever, does it matter. A moron pointed a gun at 2 family members and then sold the evidence.

Most like so he could say "Officer, I don't even have a gun, you have a good time searching for it," when they came for him.

I have guns. I enjoy guns. I enjoy the hell out of blowing little paper targets to shreds. Nobody will ever enjoy guns as much as you do, but I like them well enough.

If I get run down by a car, I hope you don't spend all day worrying about what kind it was after they catch the guy and have the car.

I once worked for the media. Its hard to be the least bit accurate because all the bottom feeders give you conflicting information. Not only is it impossible to be an expert on every subject in the world yourself, but the bottom feeders give you conflicting information and you have to pick one of them and go with his version.
 
2013-01-25 08:58:29 PM

JustGetItRight: Fark It: St. Paul police searched the Bartashevitch home and found ammunition and receipts for two gun purchases. One receipt was for Bill's Gun Shop, dated Jan. 22, 2013. An employee of the gun shop confirmed Bartashevitch sold an AK-47 style gun -- specifically a 7.62X54R -- for $150.

Mosin-Nagants are now AK-47 style guns. They have wood and originated in Russia!

THANK YOU

I absolutely adore how the headline screams Dad points AK-47 at daughter and yet the story states beyond any doubt at all that the weapon was not an AK-47.

I'd insert the journalist's guide to firearms here, but it has ceased to be funny. This isn't stupidity, it is a clear effort to create the image of a crisis that doesn't exist.

Having said that, dad's a dumbass who should both go to prison and lose the right to own a gun.


So you are saying there is a vast conspiracy where the media has gotten together and is actively trying to create mass hysteria so tut guns can be taken away? Who else is involved?
 
2013-01-25 08:58:35 PM

Maximer: El_Swino: Hey, internet experts...

[www.centerfiresystems.com image 800x159]


AK action, chambered for 7.62x54R.
You're welcome.

Yeah, while AK-replicate weapons chambered in 7.62x54R certainly exist it seems unlikely they'd be going for only $150... particularly post Newtown. So, it seems more likely that it's a Mosin-Nagant.


If I ran a gun shop and an employee confirmed that the shop purchased an "AK-47 style gun" from someone when it was actually a Mosin-Nagant, I'd fire their dumb ass. For confusing anything resembling an AK with a Mosin-Nagant.
 
2013-01-25 09:00:48 PM

Ghastly: tricycleracer: Bartashevitch admitted having a physical confrontation with his wife and daughter, and admitted to pointing the gun at both of them. He said the gun was not loaded and that he checked the chamber before pointing it at them.

Then what's the farking point?  You may as well have pointed a hammer or an alligator at them.

I can't help but wonder if the girl had an alligator of her own this whole thing might never have happened. I don't know, I'm just asking the question.


Well, she would have, but all of the alligators were allocated to schools...
 
2013-01-25 09:04:22 PM

nickerj1: meat0918: CrscntBufS: This is why background checks aren't as effective as they could be. People change and sometimes for the worse.

Right, but we should still have them for all firearms purchases. I'd wager until it became news, most Americans probably assumed all firearms required a background check.

It's a minor inconvenience that while not perfect, is something that should have been done a long time ago.

I hear this a lot.
1. Define "background check". Are we talking the same one used by FFL dealers? Or are we talking some other type of background check of varying legitimacy.
2. What's the incentive for private sellers to do the background check?
3. How will you ensure compliance by private sellers?

If you answer to 2 or 3 is "make them felons if they don't do it", then yeaaaah. Not gonna happen.


The biggest reason I can think of is peace of mind. I don't want to worry about being at fault if I sell a gun to someone that ends up crazy and shoots an old lady or a school full of kids. Not that I'd sell to someone that looked sketchy, but I don't want to take the chance. I'd much rather spend a few bucks to go through my local FFL. Let the buyer fill out a 4473 and go through a background check. That way it's out of my hands and becomes the govt's problem.
 
2013-01-25 09:04:52 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Is this the thread where Dimensio makes bad analogies with cars and doesn't understand that if gun x is allowed and gun y is allowed and they are both similar, then that's what is called a loophole? (checks)
YEP!


Dimensio is one of the smartest motherfarkers on fark... You shut your whore mouth!
 
2013-01-25 09:10:05 PM

lostcat: Google image search on: "7.62x54R"



Looks "AK-47-style to me. Plus it's semi-automatic.


Here's the other gun he bought:

Zastava PAP 70 7.62X39



Again...looks like an AK-47.

Article doesn't say which gun he was brandishing. Based on the fact that the daughter said it was an AK-47, I'm going with the Zastava.

Why are the gun people trying so hard to make this into an issue of the "media" tricking the public?


Because they are paranoid gun hoarders who have their tin-foil hats on way too tight?
 
2013-01-25 09:12:47 PM
Interesting that when Congress has a 9% approval rate, there are people that are more than willing to give up the tools to protect themselves.
 
2013-01-25 09:14:40 PM

xynix: Depends on if he gets a felony or not ;)


Actually, since the people he pointed the gun at were related to him, even if he gets it pled down to a misdemeanor, that misdemeanor will probably be classified as 'Domestic Violence'. And he'd still be a prohibited person.

Personally, I think that's BS. The dividing line between keeping your rights and losing your rights should be the dividing line between felony and misdemeanor. This dude should get the felony. I have no tolerance for screwing around with a gun like that.
 
2013-01-25 09:14:43 PM

way south: llachlan: Stop pretending that unless we can end gang gun crime we won't put a dent in the problem.

Putting an end to the problem is all that matters.

After spending a few billion in law enforcement, background checking, and media shilling for an AWB, voters will not be any happier if the next shooter who steals a gun uses one from Feinstein's approved list of "Good" weapons. We already experienced that after Columbine, which was entirely unaffected by magazine limits or feature bans.
It really sucks to make sacrifices for a solution and still not get it.

As a society the US got along with no firearm regulation for the better part of two centuries.
Now that we've spawned all these laws, the problem only seems to be getting worse.
At some point you have to ask the politicians if what they are doing really works. Because the question was how best to put a stop to rampage killings, not how best to infringe on everyone's rights.
"Saving one life" won't make people very happy. Finding the root cause of the problem will.

/We already know how to stop gangs and drug related crime.
/The fact that no one in politics wants to listen is not the fault of gun owners.


Prohibition related crime was what led to the NFA in 34. A lot of drug and civil unrest crime in the 60s was what led to the GCA of 68; though it rode on the wake of RFK and MLK's assassination.

End the drug war and save thousands of lives a year-not to mention all the things that go along with it-improved relationships with police, less opportunities for corruption, slightly more respect for the law, etc. It could also save thousands or tens of thousands of lives in Mexico.

The billions (or tens of billions) saved can be used at the federal level to pay for programs to deal with urban decay and mental health OR (my preferred solution) returned to the people via tax breaks and let each state figure out how they want to handle things.
 
2013-01-25 09:20:18 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Cpl.D: Fellow employee at work: "If more people were armed, it'd be like the old West. An armed society is a polite society."

Me: "Somalia."

Yeah, I've never gotten that whole "armed society is a polite society" thing. What, are they saying people with guns are likely to shoot people who are rude?

And this is supposed to make me feel better about other gun owners?


i've seen that phrase used here on Fark and i took it as sarcasm only. speaking from personal life experience i can say there are a lot of unwell people that should never be allowed anywhere near a firearm. it's not funny: there are people who struggle hard every day to resist killing others. they are in need of counseling and medication. on top of that look how many inner city youth never reach 25 because they live in crime with easily available fire power, poor upbringing, lack of education and overall stupidity. i've got no problem with mentally sound responsible people owning firearms: most legal owners go their whole life never having an incident.
 
2013-01-25 09:28:56 PM

way south: As a society the US got along with no firearm regulation for the better part of two centuries.
Now that we've spawned all these laws, the problem only seems to be getting worse.


An Increase population density and a decrease in a sense of personal responsibility in any society and you will see an increase in gun crimes - it has very little to do with proliferation of laws. We have too much, 'it's not my fault' and 'it's only a little law, it's not like I killed someone' and not enough manning up.
 
2013-01-25 09:43:12 PM
i471.photobucket.com

Are we sure the father's real last name isn't Tackleberry?
 
2013-01-25 09:43:41 PM

The_Sponge: illannoyin: / I own zero guns.
// I am not a member of the NRA or any other "gun rights" organization.
/// I am against any attempt to limit or infringe on all of our constitutional rights not just those guaranteed by the second amendment.


Speaking as a gun owner, I really appreciate people like you......you realize that it is an important right even though you don't own one.....and you're totally objective on the matter.


Don't high-five your alt. It's bad form.
 
2013-01-25 09:43:46 PM
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2013-01-25 09:45:53 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: She got two B's? She's just starting to fill out.


Should have closed the thread right here.
 
2013-01-25 09:50:37 PM
Terroristic threats!>? OH NOES>>!1 He could have got the same charge by yelling at them and saying he wanted to harm them. BUT lol guns.
 
2013-01-25 09:51:52 PM

david_gaithersburg: Under existing gun laws you can be sure that this guy will loose his right to own guns. So why punish the rest of society that has done nothing wrong?


Because up until the other day, he was just another member of society...

/when we can bring people back from the dead, then we can talk about not licensing guns
 
2013-01-25 09:52:07 PM
way south: "As a society the US got along with no firearm regulation for the better part of two centuries."

If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.

The revolutionary war was barely cold before the first weapons legislation was passed and this whole argument first started, over what the 2nd amendment *really means* and what States could and could not legislate accordingly.
 
2013-01-25 09:55:05 PM

base935: Interesting that when Congress has a 9% approval rate, there are people that are more than willing to give up the tools to protect themselves.


I'm not letting anyone take my fists. What are you so scared of that requires more than a good one-two punch?
 
2013-01-25 09:57:23 PM
Nadie_AZ: Thank you. This can't be stated enough. And don't ever point it at anything you aren't willing to destroy.

Difficult, weapons are always pointing at something.
 
2013-01-25 09:57:39 PM
7.62x54R...Oldest military cartridge still in active use.
 
2013-01-25 10:00:08 PM
You are all missing the point! His hair is atrocious! Why? Why grow your hair so long but be bald on top? The only thing you're gaining by doing that is ridicule.

kmsp.images.worldnow.com
 
2013-01-25 10:10:05 PM
What a POS article. The one they call an AK isn't close to an AK.

The second firearm they mention is the same caliber as an AK, and probably looks like an AK. But that isn't the firearm that was pointed at the girl.

The media shouldn't be able to report about firearms.
 
2013-01-25 10:13:05 PM
I will support any and all morons and idiots who share a political view with me.
 
2013-01-25 10:17:01 PM

BGates: The second firearm they mention is the same caliber as an AK, and probably looks like an AK. But that isn't the firearm that was pointed at the girl.


Where does it say that?

/article was poorly written
 
2013-01-25 10:26:34 PM

Yogimus: I will support any and all morons and idiots who share a political view with me.


Charles Schumer, shouldn't you be looking for a camera to get in front of?
 
2013-01-25 10:29:22 PM

muck4doo: CADMonkey79: hamdinger: KidneyStone: [www.politifake.org image 640x939]

Haw haw, I sure am smarter than them thar jurnalists. Them "edjoocated" types with all them fancy queer words and their schoolin' and all them books.. shoot, I heard most of 'em even have all the teeth they was born with. Can you imagine?

Is that honestly the first time you have seen that pic or do you just use the same lame joke every time?

It's gun grabber humor. Hardy-har-har.


Huh. That's so weird. So apparently it's not cool to stereotype an entire group of people based on having a single thing in common like gun ownership. So maybe journalists... nah...

jernelisum suckz amirite guise?!
 
2013-01-25 10:42:47 PM

Pert: Did anybody else notice that the receipts for guns were both dated AFTER the alleged incident?


Yes, the receipts from him selling them, not buying them.
 
2013-01-25 10:53:40 PM

Coco LaFemme: This here is a fine example of someone who is too stupid to own a firearm.  Bought the gun because he thought the "gub'mint" was going to ban it, and pointed it in his daughter's face for bringing home two B's instead of straight A's.

Take THAT man's gun and beat him upside the head with it......then don't give it back.



I am a firm believer that the threat of banning certain firearms has made people that never would have bought them purchase them. It is causing the damn problem.
 
2013-01-25 10:59:42 PM

Blues_X: You can get an AK for just $150?


maybe it was a preowned model
 
2013-01-25 11:01:24 PM
i.imgur.com
So... you're saying it was a bad day?
 
2013-01-25 11:10:04 PM

muck4doo: BronyMedic: The Stealth Hippopotamus: If no car can go over 20 miles an hour than there would be fewer fatalities. I mean do you really need to go 40 miles an hour?! And while we are at it lets limit the gear ratios on bicycles! We really need to limit those as well. If it will just save one life how could we not?!

To be fair, it's a lot harder to get an aortic sheer at 20 miles an hour. Or turn a pedestrian into a buff of pink mist.

A donkey and cart can do the same job as a truck.


there are refrigerated donkey carts?
 
2013-01-25 11:10:33 PM
If convicted, each charge carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

I say max everything across the board with this guy. He needs to be removed from the gene pool, even if it is temporarily. Also, just on general principle alone. Start doing it with every one of these irresponsible gun owners.

/owner
 
2013-01-25 11:11:58 PM
So he's a typical member of the well-regulated militia then?
 
2013-01-25 11:12:06 PM

clane: bet he wished he had an AK-47
[thepirata.com image 410x599]


thepirata.com
True. He wouldn't have had to lean in as far, possibly soiling his jack boots.
 
2013-01-25 11:18:21 PM

zabadu: [imageshack.us image 678x800]


uptight killjoys?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-01-26 12:42:42 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: She got two B's? She's just starting to fill out.


Soooo, are you inferring if she had 2Ds dad might have used his 'gun' on her?

/yeah yeah, window seat please. wheres my drink and snack?
 
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